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The Young Protectors: Engaging The Enemy Interlude 2—Page 2

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I wonder what Ms. Roggenbauer’s wrath looks like?

A few announcements:

REGISTER TO VOTE NOW. If you’re a U.S. citizen, many deadlines to register are landing this week. It’s now or never for most of us. If you haven’t done so already, please click the black square Register to Vote banner I placed down on the lower right. That makes it really easy and once you’re registered, you’ll be all set for future elections.

I have been reading the comments, and I am sympathetic to those young folks who believe that their vote doesn’t matter or that the system is “broken,” so why bother? That was certainly something I might have said when I was in my early twenties. One of the best arguments in favor of voting is that (surprise!) the vote for president is actually just one vote out of many you’ll have the opportunity to make and that most of your votes will be made on local issues that 1) have a direct impact on your life and 2) are often very close so your vote will very much matter (think legalization of marijuana, local bans that impact trans folks, Proposition 8, etc.) If you haven’t voted before, you’ll be amazed at how much influence you can have on so many issues. These aren’t small potato things, and you will find at least one or two issues that you really care about on your ballot where you would want your voice heard.

But in terms of the national election, whenever I hear the arguments for why young people should abstain from voting, often made by young folks themselves (like me, back in the day), I’m often reminded of that movie quote from The Usual Suspects: “The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.” The truth is that it is young people who would be most willing and interested in changing the system. As a voting block, they are the biggest threat to those who don’t want anything to change. But if those in power directly told young people not to vote, they know that would make young people turn out in droves. So, they have to do a little magic trick: they need to convince young people that either a) their vote doesn’t matter or b) that all politicians are the same so it doesn’t matter how the vote turns out. And if they can do that, their work is done for them. Apathy and abstaining changes nothing. Outside of armed revolution (which I’m assuming many young folks aren’t down for), the only way to change the system is to make sure your voice is heard within the system. And the best way to do that is to get involved and to vote.

Living in a democracy has a bunch of privileges that many people in the world would literally kill to have. And for those privileges, there are only a few responsibilities asked of us as citizens, like jury duty and voting. Whether it makes a small difference or a big difference, it is in everyone’s interest that you take the time to get informed and then do your part to make sure our government truly represents the people it supposedly serves.

Seriously, vote. Just try it. Trust me, it’ll make you feel good. And you get a sticker which will make strangers smile at you. Which is awesome.

/soapbox off

Adam DeKraker and I will be participating together in an interview on the Queer Sci-Fi Facebook page this Thursday, October 13th, at 2:00 P.M. P.S.T. You can find that page here.  We had a great time doing this last year. If you’re around, please stop by and bring some good questions!

Finally, I am looking forward to being a guest at the Yaoi North 2017 in Toronto, Canada. It takes place at the end of May in 2017. I rarely get to exhibit outside of the U.S., so if you’re in Canada, please take a moment to check it out. I hope to see you there! 🙂

So! We’ve gotten an update on Diego’s condition. Is Diego really going to be O.K.? Will Mrs. Roggenbauer be able to convince Cory to eat? And what does she think of what Mitch gets up to with The Young Protectors?

Tune in this Saturday to find out! Hope to see you there! 😀

 

  • D’awwww! Cory’s worried for Mitch.

  • I think I would like my own Ms. R. She’s a scary lady. I like it.

  • davefragments

    Interesting. At least I’m interested…

    I am changing my opinion of this lady.

    • I think it would be better to be on her good side for certain.

      • davefragments

        I think so too.

    • Michael

      I told you on Saturday, didn’t I.

      • davefragments

        Most likely.

  • Just wanted to say, I like getting my “I Voted” sticker! It seems childish, but it’s a way to show pride in doing our civic duty.

  • Nate

    Oh, I _like_ her. (I hope she never gets mad at me 🙂 )

    And Cory is so sweet… always thinking about others.

    • Juliette Leroux

      Well, always thinking about his brother and Mitch anyway 🙂

  • This page is just “awwwwwww”

  • davefragments

    I will add my statement of “GO VOTE” … to Alex’s (above) and Admiral Janes’s (below). This is our participatory democracy and voting is your way to participate.

    On a personal note: I turned eighteen in 1968 and that was the height of the Vietnam War and the Military Draft. I didn’t have the chance to vote but had I not worked to get into college, I would have been drafted to fight in Vietnam.
    Every vote counts.

    • I remember in my senior year in high school everyone who was 18 was given a voter registration form to fill out. So I have been registered ever since then. ^_^

      • davefragments

        I think that I missed voting one year between 1971 (the first year I could vote) until now and I refuse to miss any election — primary or general.

        • Michael

          As an Australian I don’t have the option of missing an election. But I still appreciate the importance of participating in the process.

          And yes, one vote can make a difference. As Samantha Bee pointed out recently, one of your US states got a Trump act-alike (Trumpalike?) Republican in power by a margin of only 8 points. (The point Sam was making was that he didn’t even get the majority of the vote, it’s just that his opposition were split between the Dem and an independent, so neither had a greater number of votes than the Repub.)

  • Pietro7

    Definitely Professor McGonigle vibes. That fusion of demanding and caring. Kewl!

  • Since last page, I’ve (silently) hoped that it turns out was she Mitch’s nanny/governess/guard(-ian), back when he was younger. She’s has that kinda ‘strict’ badass that I think would be perfect for that/Mitch 🙂

    Others might not agree, but I’ve had that ‘I like her’ vibe since the last page.

    • davefragments

      she seems to have that vibe

    • I have that vibe as well. I have always gotten on with “eagle” sorts. They can be the kindest, warmest people. They are strict because they care. They are firm because they serve as an example and as protectors.

    • Kate G

      She’s got the Alfred from Gotham (I mean, all of the Alfred’s are awesome, but Gotham’s Alfred is plain bad ass) vibe.

  • Toli Bera

    when he’s… you know….

    …Alaskan?

  • Sapfo

    I think I like Ms. Roggenbauer. But I would not like to see her get angry with me…. but maybe against some bad guy~~

  • Ian Corral

    Democracy is a flawed system. There is no point in voting this time. Your vote doesn’t matter anyway. If you want to change the world, politics isn’t the way to do it. The trap is believing your vote counts.

    This can explain democracy as well as its flaws: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Democracy

    • It’s not just presidental voting. 88% of the congress is up for re-election this time. There’s a chance to do something there as well + some states has other elections as well.

      Flaws and all, the non-voters has as big a part of an election as voters, because they do nothing. To make possible changes, it needs votes. You don’t have the ‘right’ to not like/agree/complain over any law/government issue, if you didn’t even tried to make a difference yourself by voting.

      • Ian Corral

        Because voting makes no difference. This country still runs the same no matter who is in charge.

        • kuku

          No one person’s vote is enough to make the country run exactly the way that person wants it to, but that’s a long way from saying voting makes no difference. It can make a LOT of difference who is elected and sometimes races are very close.

          • Ian Corral

            It actually doesn’t make a difference. As I said, elections are more of a circus than anything else. This country runs the same no matter who is in charge.

        • Mm

          Well, if you look at history and constitutional amendments, the country doesn’t exactly run the same.

    • Adam Black

      None of that is true!
      The US House and Senate is up for Grabs. So is the US Supreme Court for the next 25 years. Citizens United can be overturned or Marriage Equality and the right to choose can be reverted. Issues like Climate change can effect every creature on the planet and generations to come.

      “Democracy is a flawed system” Is a meaningless statement.
      Thats like saying Life isnt perfect or fair. So what? Compared to what?
      Dictatorships? The greatest value of democracy is regular Bloodless change of leaders.

      If Voting didnt matter, they wouldn’t be throwing roadblocks making it hard to vote in places. They wouldnt be trying to illegally cull the voting rolls.

      • Ian Corral

        That’s more like pageantry. The reality is that voting is rigged. With gerrymandering and the electoral college, the idea that your vote matters is laughable.

        I wouldn’t say democracy has any value. It’s half getting what they want and half not getting what they want (mostly). That’s hardly the will of the people. Also democracy involves a well educated and informed public to make decision, which we clearly haven’t had in some time.

        As for climate change, well good luck with that one. A growing body of evidence may suggest we are too late.

        • Kate G

          I would like to say this, no matter what government system you live in, it is flawed in some way. There is no perfect government, just like there is no perfect medical system. Every system, no matter what it is, has its advantages and disadvantages.

          Federal republics/representative democracies like the USA, parliamentary democracies like Canada and constitutional monarchies (like the UK) all have election years in which the people vote for whom will represent them as a people. Are the systems perfect? No. But it is better than having one person elect all of the people and dictate your life.

          If the photo in your icon is you, you have had the right to vote since 1790 here in the USA; that is 226 years. I, as a woman, have had the right to vote since August 8, 1920 – the day the 19th Amendment was added to the U.S. Constitution. That is only 96 years ago. Therefore, with your white male privilege, you may think voting is of no value; to the women who have had only had the right to vote for 96 years (that’s fewer than a century!), it’s still very much a novel concept to us. We find power in it. We were the last group to get the right to suffrage here in the US; we exercise it well.

        • Adam Black

          “Also democracy involves a well educated and informed
          public to make decision, which we clearly haven’t had in some time”

          ^^^ requires a citation.

    • fujoshifanatic

      In the 2000 election, the Democratic candidate, Al Gore, lost the election by 537 votes. This led to the second Iraq War, a trillion dollar deficit (from a previous surplus), and the great recession of 2008. Don’t tell me that individual votes don’t matter. I have been voting in every major election, and most local ones, since I got the right at 18. Too many people died for that right for me to squander it. I always ask anyone who dares to complain about the system if they vote, and if they say no, I just walk away. They don’t deserve the privilege of me listening to what they have to say. That being said, I hope you reconsider not voting. You would be shocked at how much it matters.

      • Ian Corral

        You clearly don’t understand the system.

        Also you have no way of knowing that any of that wouldn’t have happened under Gore, so your point is moot.

        • fujoshifanatic

          Do not presume I don’t understand how our republic (because that’s what our system actually is) works, just like I won’t make any presumptions about how young or privileged you are, because I could be wrong. The system can’t be very rigged, or the Republican candidate would not exist, because the “rigged establishment” did not want him. The voters did. And regardless of what you think of how rigged the system is, it will be the voters who decide if he wins or not. All the rigging in the world (except maybe intervention by the Russians) will not take away from the fact that it is the VOTES that trigger the rest of the process, and therefore they count.

          • Ian Corral

            I will presume that because you are still under the illusion that your vote matters. Elections are just a show for the people. The electoral college decides, not you. As you saw from Bush vs Gore, your vote didn’t matter.

            And the system is VERY rigged, just look what happened to Bernie. The will of the people lost that one. There will always be a republican and democrat because “that’s how it is”. Most other parties don’t stand a chance, again still rigged.

            And the populace clearly doesn’t know what’s good for them otherwise we wouldn’t have Clinton or Trump up there. In short, the masses are stupid (which is precisely why the founding fathers developed the electoral college).

            Anyhow corporations run the country, not the government.

          • fujoshifanatic

            You are contradicting yourself now. The will of a certain demographic (millennial, who are NOT a majority of the Democratic electorate) was heard; if you bother looking up the actual votes you would see that. Their voice reshaped the platform of the current candidate, and you would know this, if you were following the election.

            And by you admitting that the stupidity of the masses (something we can agree on) is a factor in the choices we have for candidates, you also admit their votes count. If more educated voters (like I hope yourself) would join the fray and make your voice be heard more often, then there would be more Bernies out there, if that’s who you want.

            And if more people would vote and elect officials that could not be bought, then we could have a system where corporations would not have so much of a say. Do you know that on average less than 40% of eligible voters decide 100% of our officials because of attitudes that you espouse?

            It seems like a case of “don’t hate the game, hate the (lack of) players,” that is going on here.

          • I’m going to step in and remind everyone to remain respectful of each other (and to mind the you statements) as per our commenting policy.

            I understand this election is very contentious, but we still need consideration of each other whatever our view are upon the matter.

            The mods will be keeping an eye upon this thread to make certain it remains civil.

    • Klaus

      Maybe your vote will not matter in the presidential election. This does not mean that you should not vote in the many other elections that are taking place on the same day.

      What the Republican leadership fears most right now is that so many republican voters who do not want to vote for trump, will stay away that the republicans will lose elections for governors, US senators, state legislators, mayors and so on and so forth that they would otherwise have won.

    • Mm

      Like Churchill said, “Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government, except all those others that have been tried.” And if you want to change the world/government, you should vote every single time. The trap is not trying; the trap is also being satisfied.

      The electoral college sucks and so does gerrymandering, do something about it. Doing nothing changes nothing.

      • Guest

        What exactly do you expect him to do? I think if you want to encourage people to vote you need to be realistic. Gerrymandering and the electoral college are complex issues that can’t just be voted away and they don’t exist because apathetic young people let it happen.

        Voting can however, put in place politicians who can help create policy that will improve things in the meantime.

        • Mm

          The implication is that voting is doing something. The implication is that telling people to not do anything because of gerrymandering and the electoral college isn’t going to change anything. I’m not exactly sure what you thought I was saying.

  • Samurai Jack

    Alex, thanks so much for your entreaty to vote.

    Those of us who are older and have been through this a good long while appreciate how much each vote counts. I wish young people would look back at 2008 and see what a huge difference they made. If we’d had their turnout in 2000 the world would be a different place now.

    I’m one of those people whose parents had difficulty voting back in the 40’s through the 60’s. Not because they didn’t want to, but because roadblocks were put in their way so that they couldn’t. I remember it clearly, and how humiliating it was for them. It seems we’re on the verge of returning to those days. That’s something you all can prevent. At the risk of invoking a cliche, especially here in the comment section of a web comic, I’m going to say this. If you want to be a hero, vote. Too many people have fought and suffered and yes, died, for the right to do something that apparently too many people feel you can casually just choose to ignore because… well, honestly, I have no idea why.

    Voting is your chance to shape the future. Please do it.

    • endymion

      Try to look at it like this: If everyone else abstains from voting, your vote will have a bigger impact, so that’s all the more a reason to do it!

      I can’t vote in this election, since I’m from Germany, but believe me, everyone here watches your election very closely. And what we see deeply worries us for the future of all of us. So *please* go and vote.

  • Saxon_Brenton

    I think Ms. Roggenbauer’s wrath is finely honed and extremely sharp.

    • Klaus

      And cold. Very, very cold, I would expect.

  • Jeldenil

    I like her

  • fujoshifanatic

    Ms. Roggenbauer is like the female version of Alfred from Batman; I wouldn’t be surprised if they get together and smash once in a while on their days off and trade stories about their bosses…now that’s a fanfic I can get behind. (I have such a weird imagination!)

    • Kate G

      I said that in the last page; she is a bit like Alfred. 🙂

  • Shiny Gwilly

    this page is cute, which i didn’t think would happen with this lady but you know what, i like her
    i had the chance to vote in the last election, but i didn’t. now i’m going to, cuz even the “smaller” stuff for my city, state, etc, are important and i know that

  • Klaus

    Are we going to get a bit of Mitch’s childhood ´history?

    • That would be lovely!

    • Juliette Leroux

      I vote in favour of this motion!

    • I think we’re about to get a little piece of info that help build on the whole puzzle that is Mitch 🙂

  • camelotcrusade

    Reply:
    “My dear boy. Sorrow looks back, Worry looks around, Faith looks up.”
    Ralph Waldo Emerson Mrs. Roggenbauer.

  • Juliette Leroux

    Already said by so many people before, but I like Ms R. And she looks great in this suit, too!

  • Kate G

    I love how Cory worries equally about his brother and Mitch. We really didn’t get to see this side the last time we saw him as A. under duress by thieves or B. just a little bit crazy and throwing crap around with his telekinesis. This side of him really shows the real Cory, I think; the kind, compassionate, worrywart. He probably doesn’t relax in any sense of the word because he worries so much about everyone else. (Boy, don’t I know a person like that. *stares at self*)

    I love how Mrs. Rye (okay, I’m going to call her that because her name does translate out to “rye farmer”) is always at his side but trying to coax him to eat. When we get worried, eating takes a back burner. You really need to eat!

  • bronakopdin

    see? In the end even we Germans have a nice core, even if strictness seems to be a cliché still 😀
    Good thing my gut feeling was right on the last page ^^

    Even though I’m not in the US I can also just encourage everyone to vote!
    It might sound harsh but IMO everyone that didn’t vote has no right to complain about the result and consequences afterwards!

    I’m not British but talking to a few Brits on a forum they were sooo disappointed in their fellow young Brit people about the Brexit vote!
    It was a reaaaally close call and in the end most of the people were surprised it even happened!
    Why?
    Because they all laughed it off… and only the older people who all voted and had probably stronger connection to their origin and country than younger folks have to really vote for Britain’s exit from the EU.
    We really didn’t go into detail but apparently there were really few young voters but if they would have voted, it was clear from former surveys that the Brexit would not have happened.

    So you see: if young people DO VOTE it can make a REAL difference!

    I’m 27 now and never missed any election I had access to.
    In Germany it starts with municipal elections, here you can vote at the age of 16, nationwide at 18.
    It’s just as Alex said above: as long as you think your vote won’t matter, is the same amount of time your not given vote really won”t matter!!!

    • Juliette Leroux

      There are arguably big problems with modern representative democracy, but as Alex says, either we start a revolution, either we change it from within (same for the EU by the way). And if you don’t like the parties as they are, create one (bipartism is not an permanent fixture). Or engage in civil movements! Stop whining, change the darn things!

    • Columbine

      Mostly it just irks me the whole ‘oh don’t vote it makes no difference’ attitude because it seems so *spoiled*. Perhaps that’s a Middle Eastern way of looking at it but…….yeah.

      • bronakopdin

        yeah because the whole point is pointless… as by that logic you could also say it would make no diffference IF you vote, so why not just do it?
        It’s rather people being lazy or something even, though maybe this is a bit too harsh

        • Columbine

          I can appreciate the point of view that often politicians seem very similar on issues that are important to young people, or go back on their promises (we had someone end up deputy PM on the basis partly of the young vote when he said he’d stop tuition fees- under him they went up).

          But the whole point of democracy is that participation, otherwise it may as well be a theocracy like the one I came from. In Australia people are legally obliged to vote, they have to turn up/post the paper. You opt out by spoiling the ballot. To me a spoiled ballot sends the message to government that you don’t like any candidates while a no-show tells them you don’t care who runs the country-

          Like that old English joke about newspapers? The times is read by the people who run the country. The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country. The Financial Times is read by people who own the country. The Guardian is read by people who think they should run the country. The Daily Star is read by people who think the country should be run by another country and the Daily Telegraph thinks it already is.

          But Sun readers don’t care who runs the country so long as she has big tits.

    • Kate G

      I’m German! Well, ancestry wise, I’m not actually sure if I hold German citizenship anymore. I know when I was younger I used to. I held double citizenship for a long time as I was born in West Germany to US military parents. But, I’m the same age as you, so I’m not actually sure if I hold my German citizenship anymore!

      • bronakopdin

        I wonder if a citizenship has an expiry date? I mean sure a visa has and all… but a citizenship? Normally once you gain it (or are born into it) you can keep it I think!
        if you ever want to learn some German, you know who to ask x’D

        • Kate G

          It doesn’t really say anywhere!

          My mom used to know German fluently as she took it in college and then immediately after my dad and mom were stationed in Bamberg (where my brother and I were born.) She lost most of it when we moved back. I can say some very simple things in German, but I picked up quite quickly saying “scheisse” from her (much to her chagrin.) When I’m really pissed at something yet can’t swear in English because my nephew is over….German. XD I’ve also been known to swear in French too.

  • Mersharr

    Ms. Roggenbauer’s wrath is horrible enough to send Kyle’s dad back home.

    • Juliette Leroux

      Haha, that would be a nice development!

      • Klaus

        And rather unexpected.

  • Connor

    I very much hope that we never find out what exactly Mrs. Roggenbauer’s wrath looks like.

  • TwilightDreamer

    aaaww!! 🙂 she’s so sweet XD haha

  • Earl Patterson

    You know he’s… gay

    • Klaus

      When he is gay? Isn’t that all the time?

      • Columbine

        This made me smile purely because I think it’s about simple enough for me to sign now. 🙂

  • Jason Moon

    She looks kind of like a thinner Louise Fletcher, so I suspect the Wrath of Roggenbauer probably is very similar to Nurse Ratched(only less evil).

    • Samurai Jack

      So, Kai Winn then?

  • They are not all the same and it does matter who you vote for. There are women still alive in the UK today who at the time they were born were barred from the frachise because of their gender. There are people around today who would like to go back to that. There are plenty of people who think those they disapprove of should be stripped of the franchise, of freedom, of life. And in the US, some of this stuff goes right down to city level. Get out there and vote for your school board, even if you don’t care who gets to determine the make up of the Supreme Court for half your lifetime to come. School boards *matter*. They can sway whether trans kids get to use the bathroom they feel safe in, they set the tone for whether gay kids can be terrorised with impunity.

    Get out there and vote. I’m an EU citizen every bit as much as I am a
    British citizen. That has been stripped from me by a 52/48 vote. It
    could have been the other way around had fewer young people in the UK decided that
    their vote doesn’t matter.

  • Pikinanou

    She’s cool.

  • Mary Klemzak

    I like her!

  • Mary Klemzak

    Also, I’d love to register to vote, just to vote for Hillary. Theres no good third option, unfortunately. I’m not a citizen though. Just permanent resident. But yes, please, make your vote heard, I believe the system works! You have the right and obligation, if you are a citizen.

    I honestly do not understand why Trump is so freaking popular. The man sounds like is moron and should not be in politics. I don’t want to start a war online, but I just don’t understand. The man is sexist,racist, and just creepy.

    Anyway, please, just make your voice heard, even if you don’t agree with me. VOTE!

    • Pietro7

      Mary, if you would like a better understanding of the factors driving the current American election, I can offer some persepective. My job takes me into contact with a very wide variety of people, and I listen to them talk. The situation is driven by a lot of factors. Some of them are not pretty – I’m not going to discuss those, because frankly they are a small minority and a distraction. Most of the folks who told me they support Trump are people who believe the political system and the economy are being run to their detriment, and they have strong evidence to point to. The benefits of mechanization, automation, and immigration mostly flow to the upper 25% of America’s population, while the costs (and there are costs) are largely bourne by the rest. Automated cars and trucks will dump another 9 million present jobs in trucking and support industries and replace them with about 2 million jobs in computers and service industries, with a lower average pay for most. Increased trade with other countries is largely seen as another means of appropriating the incomes of the lower and middle class worker for the benefit of the top 25%. The people supporting Trump are angry that upper-quartile economists, professors, and publishers (and virtually all of them _are_ in the top 25%) talk about the benefits _to themselves_ as if those were shared evenly with the other three quartiles. The benefits are not at all even, and many people know it. So there is a growing perception that the upper 25% regards the rest as disposable. This generates the anger. The consistent refusal of the upper quartile spokepeople to recognize the severe bias in their own words and actions reinforces it. Anger looks for a way out – Trump offers one. Since these angry people expect to be betrayed, they have no confidence he will deliver – but the corollary to his offer is that he will _hurt_ the upper quartile, will _shame and abuse_ them, and that looks really promising to the other 75% who already feel shamed and abused. If they can’t win or break even, they can at least strike back at their tormentors. So his voters don’t care what he says – they don’t trust him to keep any promises but one. They want him to hurt the people who are hurting them. (If this appalls you, consider what the 2020 election will be like with an even larger pool of hurt and angry people who are still being treated, from their perspective, as disposable – and many of whom are armed with guns.) I hope that our nation finds a way to recognize the validity of the lives of 75% of the population, and integrate them into an economy that is centered on respecting work and workers at all levels – but we have a long way to go to get there. I hope we can start the journey soon. And I hope this presentation of the perceptions that these people have relayed to me, is of help to you.

      • Mary Klemzak

        So, in other words, they support him because they think he can fight for the lower and middle class?

        Many things don’t work in the US, there’s many things I don’t agree with, I’m sure I’m not alone. but I have hope.

        Thanks for explained some of it. I understand some more. Even if I don’t agree.

        Pray for America and the leaders, to make the right decisions. I’m sure their jobs aren’t easy. To decide, based upon whats popular, and what’s right. Those lines blur, and things are not as cut and dry as it used to seem, when I was younger.

        Someone mentioned once, to see how much greyer each president gas gotten, since taken office. Not all of it is age. There’s lots of stress that goes along with being a leader.

        • Pietro7

          Umm, no, they don’t support him “because they think he can fight for the lower and middle class.” They don’t believe he will. They do believe that he will hurt the people in the upper quartile who they see as oppressing them. I don’t know if they are right about that. But these are the perceptions being relayed to me. Should I mention that it’s rather frightening to be confronted with such hopelessness, where hurting one’s ‘enemies’ seems to be the most that can be hoped for? I’d really prefer that all segments of American society felt hope for the future. I’m shocked and ashamed to realize how many do not – and why. For I am a member of the upper quartile. My fellow Americans feel betrayed by, among others, me – and I see their reasoning. Ouch. I didn’t expect to feel ashamed when I started listening.

          • Mary Klemzak

            Oh ok sorry, my bad. I don’t always understand things, if they’re super long. That’s on me. I like to make things simple and easy to understand. I speak and type in general terms, trying to make sense of what information i get. I’ve always been a bit slower in that aspect.

            Hillary may be dodgy with answering for what she has done on the past, but I still think she has our best interests in mind. Universal health care. For one. I believe everyone deserves equal health care, and education and work opportunities to care for their families.

    • Klaus

      If you want to know why Trump is so popular, read Scot Adams’ blog. You will find it at Dilbert.com. Adams is a trained hypnotist, and recognizes many of the tricks Trump uses. During the primaries, when he needed attention, he said outrageous things, and never compromised, never apoplogized. After the nomination, when he needs to look presidential, he has been seeking out issues where he can compromise and apolologize. Getting into a feud with a Fox journalist was a typical trick. It did two things: it made him more palatable for the many voters who hate Fox, and it gave him an opportuity to show hos ability to make peace, which is essential for a president.

  • Mm

    As a young twenty something, omg, yes register and vote!!!!! Millennials as a voting block are in equal in size, and maybe larger, than Baby Boomers, that’s an incredible amount of potential for change.

    I definitely understand why there’s a feeling of powerlessness in the electoral college system, especially as someone who knows that they’d just basically be voting the same way the rest of her state is going to, but like Alex said there are going to be a lot of local issues that could make a huge impact. (I’m going to particularly enjoy voting in reps to the state congress who support banning the box.) There’s even the non-local issue of representatives since all of them are up this year.

    And for another reason to go vote, just look at what happens when the number of people voting falls in non Presidential election years.

  • Keneu

    Sigh. Everyone seems to like Mrs. R. and I feel like the party pooper.

    I mean, it’s not that I dislike her. She gives off McGonagall vibes but with a mischievous/snarky and scary side to her, which is cool. It’s only that all female characters in both Artifice and TYP seem to follow this pattern of “bantering sassy lady”, even Amanda when it was reprimanding Spooky, and it gets old fast. There are very different ways to be strong and showing strenght.

    That said, I like how Cory just can’t help but worry about everyone but himself, poor thing. I also love Julie’s art. It improved quite a lot since the previous bonus comic. The poses seem more natural and the facial expressions are spot on.

    • Kate G

      I don’t feel she is sassy. “Sassy” is historically a negative adjective used for women. It’s on the same vein as “bitchy,” “bossy,” “prissy” and “pushy.” There’s nothing every positive when you say a woman is being sassy. If she were a man, would you think the same or would you say she is being a confident, comforting guard?

      I bring this up because there is such a dichotomy of how people think women should be seen, especially in roles of the military or positions where they are guarding another human being. The first 11.5 years of my life I spent being an Army child, where I witnessed what women had to do to be respected among her male peers. She had to – in essence – become a man. She had to do as many pushups as man…plus ten if she could. She had to run like a man. She had to take apart, clean it and put one together as fast as a man. Aim and shoot said rifle like a man. She even had to dig her own fox hole. My mom was one of those women for 2 years.

      Yet someone creates a fictional woman like that and a person’s reaction is almost always she’s a “bantering sassy lady,” (more often lady is bitch) a negative description. I don’t know my mom for that. I didn’t know any of the Army women as that. Women who are put into those roles, you almost have to erase your woman-ness. If you haven’t experienced it or lived in that kind of life, you wouldn’t know that.

      I see a woman who is struggling to conform to a very male-dominated role, yet show her caring nature and joke a little bit. We all are very human, but this woman very much reminds me of my past, filled with strong Army women who were soldiers and also the women who married into the Army and had no choice but, in a way, become soldiers themselves.

      And I shall walk myself to the door because yes, I realized I just a novella over three words.

      • Keneu

        I didn’t know the word had negative connotations. I’ve usually seen it used as “confident, speaks directly and refuses to take crap from others”. Noted.

        Yes, I would have said the same even if she weren’t military or a bodyguard. My issue is not that she’s confident – like I said in my first comment, that’s cool! What I was trying to get at is that Maven, Sircea, Amanda and now Mrs. R. all feel very similar to me, like they all share the same template. “Woman with power or authority + clever + funny + confident + a way with words”, sort of. I feel bad saying this, because Alex can write whatever he wants, and because there are not so many examples of female characters with power or authority on other media.

        I didn’t take into consideration all the things you’ve mentioned in your comment, because I have no experience with military, and even though I’ve experienced things like you described in my life, it wasn’t as extreme. Your comment made me see Mrs. R. in a new light.

        • Klaus

          Don’t forget the colonel.

          • Keneu

            Oops. I had totally forgotten about her. Thanks for reminding me. (And I think it was lieutenant colonel? But I have no idea about military rankings, so…)

          • Klaus

            It was. But it is common to refer to a lt. colonel as just colonel.

        • Kate G

          See, we’ll have to agree to disagree. I see a distinct difference between Amanda and Sircea, Mrs. R, and the Lieutenant Colonel and Maven (the military women.) Here’s the way I see them:

          Artifice is a military sci-fi. Therefore, the fact her “woman-ness” is sort of erased, again, heralds back to the military. Same with Amanda’s mom. When they are on the job, in order to gain any respect, that’s just what women have had to do (female spies, on the other hand, are a different story.) The lack of “woman-ness” even filters into family-life. There’s an old adage from the old days that, “women are bad luck on ships.” This means women in the Navy who actually work on battleships, destroyers, aircraft carriers and such are often that more ridiculed. The first female (and first African-American) four-star admiral (which is generally known as admiral) wasn’t seen until 2014. That’s how sexist the Navy is.

          Sircea uses powers of seduction and manipulation to win her way. She occasionally uses anger. Mostly, it’s manipulation. She also uses her powers to get exactly what she wants. She has a quick temper though so she can be a little short-sighted sometimes.

          Amanda is a bit like Mrs. G. She’s learned from her mom what not to do. She allows herself to be female by showing support and care, but sometimes she struggles showing authority by keeping everyone under her heel. She refuses to use her power to keep everyone in line because she sees it as an invasion of privacy (unlike Sircea who would use that power to invade privacy.)

          That’s just the way I see things. We may never agree though.

  • Adam DeKraker and I are the focus of a Queer Sci Fi chat on Facebook at 2:00 P.M. PST today. (That’s in just an hour!) If you’re around, please stop by and bring your The Young Protectors questions!

    You can find the discussion in the comments of this post:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/qsfdiscussions/permalink/569645436515738/

    • It was fun 🙂

      To those who missed it, you can go read the thread on FB.

  • Curt Clark

    “They will call or they will face my wrath.”

    Move over Alfred, I think I have a new favorite snarky butler-person.

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Snarky butler-type people are so great.

  • Klaus

    This is called an interlude (in the URL), but really it is more of a postlude to a prelude, the Mitch bonus comic being a prelude to chapter 2.

    • Pietro7

      I think this is the first postlude-prelude I’ve ever seen. Nyuck yuk yuk. 🙂

  • D. G.

    I’m so happy it looks like Diego will be OK!!! Ms. R. seems very competent and caring, which is very good.

  • Hiya campers.

    • davefragments

      Hi DanishWolf

      • Gone into hiding on my couch. When it’s cold and windy, my old-house apartment can be a big drafty when the wind is coming from the wrong angle. Love my apartment, but it has its quirks.

        • davefragments

          I just crawled under blankets for the night. Warm blankets.

          • Biggest issue is that I live on top floor in 3-floor building, and the heaters don’t work so well ‘up here’. Old plumbings and airwents runs/opens up to outside next to my walls.
            Have lived with it for 8 years now though. Know what to expect, and what to help the situation a bit.

          • davefragments

            My house is all one story and nicely insulated. I use hot water baseboard heat. However, I still get cold.

    • Hey Danish, Doki’s head kind really hurts so she is going to go lay down for a bit. I might be back if it clears up a bit.

      • Aww, hope it gets better soon.

      • stickfigurefairytales

        *hugs Doki* I hope you feel better soon! Sorry I haven’t made the last couple of camping sessions – I’ve been super tired.

  • davefragments

    Does anyone have plans for halloween costumes?

    • Due to stores nearly stuffing halloween down our throats (it makes business), Denmark is starting to adopt the day. For years it’s been popular to carve pumpkins, and for highschools/college/uni students to have a costume theme party around the day, but now kids have started to follow suit. Some (few) even trick or treat, though thgat number is rising too.
      We usually have another day where something like this is done, but hey, the stores are getting their way 😉

      • davefragments

        I’ve been to a few parties but I mostly think it’s for the little kids to dress up in what they want and get candy.

      • davefragments

        Stores always get their way.
        So do insurance companies

    • stickfigurefairytales

      I want to dress up as the Snow Queen, but I still have to figure out where I’m going to wear it to (apart from handing out candy to trick-or-treaters).

      • davefragments

        Handing out the candy is good…
        You don’t even have to have complicated costume

  • davefragments

    Patreon rumbles and the sky turns dark.

  • stickfigurefairytales

    I like Ms. Roggenbauer so far. 🙂

  • davefragments