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The Young Protectors: Engaging The Enemy Truth or Dare—Page 19

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Gordon. Wow.

Just a reminder that Adam DeKraker and I are actually going to be special guests at RainbowCon 2015 which takes place in Tampa, FL on July 16th – 19th. (It will be our first time together at a Con!) There’s also going to be a special dinner just for my TYP Kickstarter backers and processed Patreon backers. (You can find out more here. ) If you’re anywhere near Tampa, you should totally check RainbowCon out. It looks like it’s going to be awesome!

Also, I’m going to be attending San Diego Comic Con from July 8th through 12th. I’ll be with the Prism booth so there will be a bunch of other, cool LGBT creators there too. If you’re going to SDCC, please come by and say hi! It’d be awesome to see some friendly faces.

Finally, thank you for your patience around the new subscription box. For some folks, it’s working just fine (not appearing until they’ve scrolled well below the comic, only appearing once per refresh on most pages, only appearing once every 3 days for the more current page). For others, it’s behaving badly. Sometimes very badly. 🙁 The developer has asked me to keep it active without changing it while he troubleshoots, so hopefully it will be behaving well for everyone soon… Fingers crossed…

So! Seems like Tsunami had a few things he needed to get off that big chest of his. But it looks like Flyboy just wants to give the big guy huggles all around that big ol’ chest. Will Tsunami finally get the comfort he’s needed all these years?

Tune in this Wednesday to find out! Hope to see you there! 😀

  • Good grief!! Get over yourself already.

    • Tyler Griffin

      Congrats

    • ‘Gratz.
      I thought Dave beat me, and then I refresh three times, and it’s you instead showing up out of the blue LOL

      • *end zone dance* Woo!!

      • davefragments

        no, I knew that I didn’t get the page but trying to find who demanded multiple updates

        • Same here though I thought it was you, but I did check just to be sure, and there AJ suddently popped up. I had trouble getting the page to work, both having to click ‘post’ 3 times and then refreshing, because then for a second it looked like Tyler got it. 4th refresh and there was AJ *lol*

          • davefragments

            Disqus was weird tonight. I don’t know why but at least it’s better than the other sight I use Disqus on. That’s a nightmare of glitches.

  • D’aaaw.. the emotions. Hugs all around.

  • davefragments

    More Gordon baring his soul

  • Tyler Griffin

    Hello!

  • Tyler Griffin

    Dang it!

  • stickfigurefairytales

    Tell us more about Spooky’s sex appeal, though.

    • I’m all ears. Just how sexy is Spooky?

      • Terri Sutton

        I think we all know how sexy we all think Spooky is.

        What I want to know more about is what Gordon thinks about how sexy Spooky is.

    • Tyler Griffin

      Yes, Tsu. Tell us ALL about how you can detect Spooky’s sexiness, and all about the kinds of exploits you lay awake at night an imagine him getting up to at his place, don’t spare the details, either. Can’t risk upsetting the curse 😉

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Thank you… best suggestion on the entire forum!!! 🙂

  • Morgan

    …Oh. Wow. Was not expecting to feel for Gordon at all…

    • Tyler Griffin

      I still don’t feel for him. Tragic Backstory (TM) does not absolve present sins. I can understand, but he still acts like a high and mighty jerk wit his “I will do whatever I have to to protect you from your free will.”

      • Morgan

        True, very true. Reading over the page a second time, I can see your point. I’ve never been much of a Tsu fan myself, tbh.

      • Michael

        ref. Batman, “my parents are DEEEAAAAD! :C”

        • Chris Dangerfield

          Oh please. Every animated Disney mother in creation is “dead.” lol.

          • timemonkey

            Except for Aurora’s.

          • and Tangled….forget her name at the moment, but the guys name is Eugene. You don’t forget a name like Eugene.

          • timemonkey

            Rapunzel.

          • So they did go with Rapunzel? I thought she had a different name? Ah well.

          • timemonkey

            Well, there’s whatever her parents named her but we never hear what that is.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Ummm hello? Princess Aurora’s has the worst “stepmother” in the pantheon… Aurora is gentle and loving, and is raised by three fairies named Flora, Fauna, and Merryweather. She lives in the forest, where she meets the Prince, her one true love…

            The entire reason she’s in THAT forest is that her “step-mother” is a wicked Queen (read: witch) who instructed her “huntsman” to take Aurora into the forest and kill her (i.e. bring me her heart) … and he can’t and doesn’t.

            Let’s take this full circle to Gordon > Mitch. How many people do any of us know that survived the foster care parent system unscathed. Parents who agreed to be parents ONLY because of money. How many bio-parents do we know that we’re also totally unworthy of being any sort of parent/guardian. How horrible is it that there isn’t a bio-test that prevents unworthy parents from becoming pregnant.

            Gordon is NOT evil, but he is a total reject of any sort for suitable foster parent/guardian… everytime someone mentions this I want to slap them. WTF… a 22 year old guardian with severely fucked up emotional damange???? No. Just NO!

            So the truth is we never know (in our real world) who is worthy and who damaged their children at the pre-verbal primal level.

            Life in the real world or in fantasy is tough… that’s why the brothers were called “Grimm”.

          • I think you are confusing Sleeping Beauty with Snow White Chris sweetie?

            I don’t think I have read a version of Sleeping Beauty with a huntsman, and I remember reading many of the Grimm tales bloody feet and all.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            maybe…. all evil… all….

          • timemonkey

            Step parents were all evil, but we weren’t talking about step-parents.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Yep… true that.

          • timemonkey

            Um, no. Aurora’s mother is a very nice Queen. She’s in that forest because the evil fairy Maleficent is a total bitch.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Yep… total Disney princess mashup. I should have gone to bed before descending into that pit. HA! Consider it edited.

            Still… dead parents for the “feels”. It’s the Disney way.

          • timemonkey

            Well, it’s usually less for feels and more for it being cheaper to only have to animate one character.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            HA! Also true.

  • Terri Sutton

    Every time Tsu-Tsu lets me think that perhaps he isn’t a total bags of dicks, he then turns around and says something that just confirms my beliefs.

  • This obsession Tsu has thinking he can save Mitch, it’s rather disturbing. And that look he’s giving Mitch’s hand, uh Mitch might want to check for frost bite.

    • Terri Sutton

      He is utterly patronising to Mitch, isn’t he?

      • I think so. In his fervor he’s completely taking away Mitch’s agency and I’m not so certain he really cares. He would lock him in a room if he could.

        • Terri Sutton

          That is the problem with people who live vicariously through others (especially parents with their children) is that those people don’t actually view others as people but rather mannequins that they want to dress up and role play with.

    • timemonkey

      He’s trying to help but is really bad at it. Despite being one of the older members of the team I suspect the entire team will pass him on the maturity scale soon enough.

  • Stubbylegs

    Christ, every single person in that room has a sketchy past, just like that. Gordon isn’t special in that regard. Besides, if he wants to protect Mitch from feeling the way he did, he is more than likely far too late. It’s obvious that he cares, but he sounds like am overprotective dad who doesn’t want to let his little boy grow up.

    • davefragments

      I think that’s why they are part of the Admiral’s group.

      • Stubbylegs

        Tell that to Gordo. He strikes me as the type who needs to rescue Mitch. He keeps harping on how young and innocent Mitch is/should be, ignoring everyone else who tells him otherwise.

        • Probably ignoring the evidence of his own eyes as well.

        • davefragments

          Gordon needs an attitude adjustment and not merely a slap or a kick in the butt

          • Michael

            On the other hand, a Patreon special mini-comic that shows Gordon getting soundly spanked for being a jerk might drive donations through the roof.

          • davefragments

            That would be worth the admission (As they say).

          • Michael

            @alexwoolfson:disqus
            get on this!

          • Tyler Griffin

            Oh bad, naughty Tsu! There can only be one punishment. You must tie him down and SPANK HIM! And then, you must spank me! (and me) (and me) (me too) Yes! Yes, spankings for all of us and afterwards, you may have your way with him!

          • Chris Dangerfield

            HA. Best movie ever!

          • Tyler Griffin

            Unfortunately I think I probably slaughtered that quote since it’s been awhile since I actually watched it. Eh, well. if it was close enough for anyone to get then my work is done.

          • Michael

            close enough is good enough, we got the reference.

            we have but one punishment for setting alight the grail-shaped beacon!

          • Chris Dangerfield

            (chris throws handfuls of crumpled dollar bills at his laptop screen)

          • Michael

            Why does Chris have so many crumpled dollar bills? I didn’t realise it was hen’s night season already.

          • shhhhhh!

            😛

          • timemonkey

            By one person or does the whole team take turns?

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Awwwww why rule anything out? Can’t we go with “E” … All of the above? 🙂

        • Terri Sutton

          I’m beginning to believe that it wasn’t Gordon’s misuse of his powers that has barred him from the “proper” teams but rather he refusal to get therapy or treatment for his behavioural issues.

          • Stubbylegs

            As with most narcissists, Gordon will never admit that he might have been even a little bit of the problem.

  • Saxon_Brenton

    I am astonished by the fact that Tsunami shows so much self-awareness in the first two panels, and yet he still thinks it’s okay to project his own recriminations onto Flyboy.

    • It’s a little scary. Fanatical really.

    • davefragments

      Wasn’t it Sir Lee Teabing who said: “people seldom see what’s in front of their eyes”?

      • Chris Dangerfield

        Anyone who can quote “Sir Lee Teabing” gets a bonus cookie of their choice. Nice work Dave!

  • Narcissistic whining and manufactured melodrama.

    It’s going to take hard liquor to get that taste out of my mouth.

    • davefragments

      Well, not that narcissistic but definitely self-absorbed in guilt, I think.

      • A narcissist redefines everything around him/her in terms of how it affects him/her. I lived with a severe narcissist for years, and have dealt with a lot of them through the mental health system.

    • Klaus

      I don’t think so. Gordon is entirely sincere, and he is expressing his feelings and concerns as best he can.

      • Klaus, you not agreeing with me is like saying water is wet. It’s not news, it’s just physics.

  • Michael

    Somebody’s bitter.

    • Terri Sutton

      As bitter as his salty, salty tears.

      • Michael

        Gordon is A Man, he does not shed tears.

        • Tyler Griffin

          Oh please. Gordon uses his own Man Tears for his powers in a pinch.

          • Michael

            Ah, but then they are manly patriotic tears of righteous pride and fury.

          • Tyler Griffin

            That’s his story and he’s sticking to it.

  • No offense to Tsu-Tsu fans, but yeah, I am not softening at all towards him at all.

    • Tyler Griffin

      He starts out SO WELL though, like he’s knocked the curve ball clean out of the park, rounded ALL the bases, but instead of heading for home walks over a punches the pitcher in the face.

      • Terri Sutton

        I’m just imaging how entertaining softball/baseball would be if the players brawled like ice hockey players.

        • Tyler Griffin

          I might actually watch, lol.

        • davefragments

          Shame on you. You don’t beat-up the other team in baseball and softball. It’s a more gentlemanly game. Hockey is blood sport.

          • Terri Sutton

            Which is why it is boring! Although I used to watch cricket when I was little because streaking used to be so common.

            But now the ACA (Australian Cricket Association) is so anti-fun.

          • davefragments

            I was teasing. I actually was laughing too hard not to play “the offended baseball fan”. . .
            Sometimes the fans have a really good fistfight at their seats.

          • Terri Sutton

            I was actually making fun of myself because cricket is the most boring of all games (which also includes lawn bowls) and I used to watch it a lot as child.

          • davefragments

            I used to leave my dorm at college and go buy a cheap bleacher seat in old Forbes Field (now gone) and watch the Pirates baseball game doing my homework for college. Things like 2nd order partial differential equations and Unit Ops (water flow in a weir) went well with baseball.
            Before that, I remember playing cricket as a kid. Unfortunately, I launched a ball three feet in the air and two yards away with a solid mallet hit. I Thought I was having fun.
            (I’m even rolling my eyes at that memory)
            And I have played bocce in a long time. Mostly because yards aren’t flat around here. Too many hills. But I did enjoy it and horseshoes when I had the chance.

  • Michael

    Just for the record, this is good evidence for why I am so very glad that Amanda is the one in charge.

    • Terri Sutton

      Although I would wish she is more; “get the eff over it already Gordon”.

      • moneyfields19

        Ah yes; the tried and true method of being harsh and unsympathetic when someone has gone through a traumatic experience.

        Works every time :p

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Hear hear!

  • Morgan

    Putting Tsunami aside for the moment…. HOW precious is Mitch in that final panel?!

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Julie has the magic Mitch adorbs power in her art. Thank goodness.

  • And Mitch, I love you sweetie, but it is going to take a lot more than patting Tsu-Tsu’s shoulder and telling him you will “be okay”. Tsu-Tsu needs therapy. Lots and lots and lots of therapy.

    Though I kind of get the feeling Mitch is kind of “awwwww it’s so cute that you care, but seriously I can handle myself back off”

    • Very expensive, heavily medicated, professional therapy.

  • Honestly, I think Gordon needs a “reality, CHECK PLEASE!”

    • Chris Dangerfield

      With a gratis is bonus slap!

  • Michael

    @dokidokibaka:disqus

    I will fight you for first position in the Mitch-cuddling line.

    • ……….

      *evil glare*

      ………

      No one can take that spot from me….unless Mitch gets a canon boyfriend.

      • Michael

        *puts fists up*

        • Morgan

          You guuuuys! Can’t we all just get along? (Anyway Mitch deserves ALL the cuddles, soooo…)

          • Michael

            This isn’t about who gets to cuddle Mitch; he gets cuddled by everyone in the end. this is about who gets to go FIRST.

          • Morgan

            Oh. Well then clearly it’s me.

          • davefragments

            YOU can have the right half and Doki can have the left.
            OR we can settle for front and back.
            Or up and down.
            Whatever floats your boat.

          • Michael

            I’d be quite happy to hug his lower half…

            Oh wait, he’s still 16, isn’t he? 🙁

          • davefragments

            Yes, Mitch is young

          • Terri Sutton

            15

          • Tyler Griffin

            15, actually

          • Recently just turned 15 xD

          • Michael

            :C

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Beware… Solomon Fragments is getting ready to cut someone’s special character in half… lol

          • davefragments

            Oh no, we can trade days – one day top the next day bottom.

          • Don’t worry, Doki will take care of things before there is any cutting in half. ]}:-)>

        • Not really one for fisticuffs, how about a cup of tea? It will be very calming.

          • Michael

            Very well! A Tea-off!

            Whoever brews the nicest cup gets to hug Mitch first.

            scone-baking is the bonus round for the right to run your hands through his hair.

          • Tyler Griffin

            Just watch out for that special ingredient.

          • O:-)

          • Chris Dangerfield

            I’ll just take some Spooky and Kyle tea and go over there… (lol)

          • No no no. Here have this special cup of calming tea. I made it just for you. ^_^

          • Michael

            “Upon my secure hour thou Doki stole,
            With juice of cursed hebenon in a vial,
            And in the porches of my ears did pour
            The leperous distilment”

      • Chris Dangerfield

        Oh puhleeeeeze, then you’d just nab the both… 🙂

    • Tyler Griffin

      Malfurion Stormrage Voice: You are not prepared!

  • Stubbylegs

    The more I read this page, the more I see Tsu as a covert narcissist. He has done this more than once- someone is baring their soul, and he has to find a way to make it about himself. It’s not just about caring- he NEEDS to rescue everyone, even when they tell him repeatedly that they don’t need to be rescued. When it reaches that point, it’s not about him caring about people anymore.

    • Adam Black

      except, It IS about Tsu here, and he is the one opening up.

      Why do Gordons feelings count less than others when he is talking about himself?

      Mitch is a minor and Gordon is his legal Guardian.

      Its Gordon thats refusing to be “rescued” in this scene.

      Mitch is 15 and he doesnt know better.

      You could flip these criticisms back onto Spooky since they are both the adults

      Gordons mistake is that he thinks he can teach Mitch by Sheltering him instead of sharing what can go wrong.

  • Called it. Tsu really has issues with Spooky, and his own bad experiences.

    I think it’s been obvious that Gordon is jealous of Spooky in many, as I mentioned on previous pages, but to see him say it openly and acknowledge it to himself and the others.. Much could be said, but that’s a big thing.

    It could be interpreted as him being self absorbed, but I see it as so much self blame and pain that it hurts. It’s eating him up. Boiling inside him.
    No wonder he’s a steam boat of emotions. I see him being almost desperate in his wish to protect Mitch from going through the pain he’s obviously in.

    So few pages left of the ToD comic, and we still haven’t had Paul’s part. Damn, there’s so much more story in Gordon’s ‘confession’ than a few pages has the space for. I want to know more.

    • Terri Sutton

      Should we have a chip-in fund for Gordon’s therapy?

      Then we could learn all his juicy scre – I mean, see him get control of his issues and learn about him as a character and watch him grow.

      • Just like we do about the rest, and particularly Kyle in the current story.

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Well I’m jealous of Spooky too. However, I think I’d like to take him home for some cozy sessions of “hug” therapy until I feel less jealous of his innate coolioscity… It might require some kissing also. 🙂

  • Wayne Lunkwitz

    OOOOOO! Tsu sounds more and more like an over protective parent every day!

  • TwilightDreamer

    Nope…nope…..I won’t do it…..I won’t get on the guilt trip train!! *stamps foot*
    oh darn it….gotta love each and everyone one of them really 🙂

  • davefragments

    I’ve got to go to sleep. It’s late tonight and I have company coming tomorrow morning.

  • gahocleric

    Ok I would like to mention that the email subscription reminder thing is kinda annoying for someone who is already signed up for a subscription. On my ipad it’s very hard to make go away and it covers a LOT of the screen. Just fyi. That said I’m very curious to learn more about Tsunami!

    • Tyler Griffin

      Alex is already in touch with the developers to see about way to permanently opt out of the reminders as per WoG

  • Jac

    Anyone else notice that he just admitted Spooky’s attractive? Just me?

    *whistles innocently*

    • Mary Klemzak

      Sarcastically, I think.

  • Jeldenil

    I know I’m gonna get flack over this, but all the comments about Gordon’s perceived narcissism make me want to post the mental-illness bingo card.

    • AliceGoose

      Yeah I’ve known 2 narcissists in my life and Tsunami doesn’t strike me as one, I would describe him as more of a “stress puppy” with a lot of pent up anger and self-hatred

      • Jeldenil

        Thank you. My point is maybe a little bit more like this: Is Gordon human? Check. Does that make him flawed? Check, nobody is perfect. Does he have issues? Check, clearly. Is he a narcissist? Well, I’m not a psychiatrist and I’m not treating him, so I can’t say. Seeing mental illnesses blamed for flawed human behavior feels unfair. And to go a little further, I’d even call it a supremacist way of thinking. We don’t know Gordon’s full story, we can’t look inside his head and pain. And we can’t diagnose him. I’m going to leave it at that because I might become very uneloquent otherwise.

        • Stubbylegs

          Except someone just ruled out the possibility based on knowing a whole two people in their life. If you’re going to rail against people diagnosing Tsunami (which no one was doing, btw), then you should probably rail against them as well, because they are not likely any more qualified to do so than anyone else there).

          • Jeldenil

            I’m sorry if I have offended you. Let’s leave it at that. I’m not looking for a fight.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            I very much agree. Respectful observation of a hugely wide variety of human tendencies often requires that we respectfully use terms to help communicate ideas. That IS what shared language is all about.

            Having dealt and worked with people who have “diagnosed” aspects of narcissism, autism, aspergers, ocd and others, people who have been treated and knowingly admit and work on their personal versions of said issues — I can say, from personal experience, that every one of us runs a vast gamut from barely noticeable “human quirks” to severe issues that are a significant challenge in daily life.

            I remember a long-ago day that being “gay” was a “mental illness.” So the stigma and the defensiveness that go with a respectful discussion of these terms is IMHO not needed. These are not bad words. No shame is necessary. So many of us (myself included) have quirks that if they were just a bit more severe could be considered diagnosable.

            If Alex decided that Gordon IS a diagnosable narcissist, then the only issues that would matter in any way would be: “Is Gordon working on it?”

            I remember once discussing OCD with a psychiatrist and saying (okay I was young) that I was sure glad I didn’t have OCD. He smiled at me and gently asked me, “Do you sort your dollar bills in your wallet? Large denominations to small, all facing the same direction?” I said (ummm) yes? and he told me that some doctors consider that harmless human quirk the very mildest symptom of an OCD-type tendency and that all “disorders” are just human quirks like that that have reached an extreme point where they become self destructive to the individual and require a lot of conscious hard work. Still very human.

            Ever since for me, I’ve considered “disorders” just human quirks that have reached a point of extremity and require work so that the individual can live a happier, healthier life.

            Bottom line, IMHO? There should NEVER be any shame in any of it. We are all just human. (Except the Kontari lol)

          • Jeldenil

            I don’t mean that there should be shame about mental illnesses, just that there is too much criminalising stigma involved in the public debate about them. And thus I’m not too happy when m.i. gets blamed for (imo) human behavior.

    • Stubbylegs

      You can have narcissistic tendencies without having NPD, everyone knows that and no one here is saying otherwise. NO ONE IS TRYING TO DIAGNOSE HIM, FFS! I find your attitude very condescending.

      I lived with a narcissist all through my childhood and it was much like this, only on a much grander scale. I know that doesn’t necessarily mean anything, but it can definitely trigger the possibility in people’s minds, and people should be free to state such a possibility without being accused of being ignorant about mental illness, or of trying to diagnose a mental illness without the proper qualifications.

      So go ahead, put up your little bingo card if you must, but it doesn’t apply here.

      I would say more, but then I’d be the uneloquent one.

      • I know this is a very divisive topic, so I just wanted to remind everyone about using a tone of respect when commenting with each other and to be careful with the use of “you” statements.

        Thanks!!

  • AliceGoose

    Just a reminder that the Commander has also said that she doesn’t want Mitch doing hero work solo, so Tsunami may be a Jerk but he has a point
    Mitch is a teenager if he doesn’t have some form of supervision while doing something as important as saving peoples lives than he is very likely going to screw up one day and will have to live with the guilt for the rest of his life (like Tsunami)

    • No, Amanda doesn’t really mind him doing hero work. She didn’t say she had a problem with him being solo. She objected to Mitch doing it untrained.

      • AliceGoose

        I just went back and checked and yes ur right, that is whatshe says specifically
        But my brain interpreted that as “you shouldn’t do solo work until ur ready, so u should do ur hero work under supervision for now”
        So while ur detail is perhaps more word for word accurate, we’re still talking about the same thing., unless u completely disagree with my conclusion about how Mitch shouldn’t be doing what he’s doing then I guess I’m misunderstanding what ur trying to point out

  • Klaus

    He does have a point.

  • Saxon_Brenton

    I’m intrigued by the way the page transition from page 18 into this one worked. There was the initial statement by Tsunami, and then Spooky said something that basically summarized that everybody on the Young Protectors team had some sort of messed up past. And because Spooky is a fan favourite character I expect that would have acted as a type of cliffhanger as most readers expected him to continue to say something wise and cool on page 19. But instead we get an outburst from Tsunami (as he ignores the First Rule of Holes: when at the bottom of a hole, stopping digging yourself deeper).

    That seems to be a combination of false cliffhanger, and plot swerve. But whatever it is, exactly, it’s not what I was expecting. Once again, Alex is tricky.

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Well said. Similar to the First Rule of Hell. “When you find yourself in Hell… keep walking.” I suspect Gordon stopped for a wee moment and hasn’t gotten himself out of his personal hell/hole (whatevs).

      I’m a bad person. When someone insists on repeating their bad behavior and blaming it on others, no matter how sympathetic I feel there is a point when I think… I’m not paid as their therapist and excuse myself to to go make some coffee, hit the loo or exit… stage left.

      • Derkins

        I’m dealing with this with a buddy right now. He’s depressed, but self-defeats any possible solution to any single problem he ever has, ever, and continues making the same mistakes, going “oh misery, why me?!” He begs for help and then down right refuses to do a single thing to help himself. Not physically, not emotionally, not mentally, not practically.
        I keep telling him, “I’m not trained as a counselor. Seek help. Here’s a number to call.” S’all I can do. smh

    • Tyler Griffin

      Tricksy hobbits-I mean Authorses

  • Stubbylegs

    I have heard everyone’s comments, and I still say that Gordon’s displaying some narcissistic tendencies (but totally not NPD, because I’m not qualified to diagnose him and because bingo cards or something). Yes, it was his turn to talk, so naturally he will talk about himself. He still turned to Mitch’s experiences and found a way to make them about him. He still seems determined to shut down Mitch’s attempts to assert himself, and to prove that Mitch cannot succeed on his own without Gordon to guide him. I’d say that it was a simple case of him wanting to ease his young protege through to adulthood if this wasn’t the first time he’s acted this way.

    I don’t doubt that part of the issue is that he feels responsible for the younger members of the team. I just don’t think that’s where it ends.

  • bronakopdin

    So now he admitted his jealousy!
    I don’t blame him at all, it’ just exactly as he says and it’s only naturral to be a little jealous over someone like Spooky 🙂 I didn’t think that it bothers himself so much, though!

    More important on this page is the subtil teasing of us fans (or at least those like me who get waaaaay too curious over implied but unspoken secrets) who are still worked up over what the hell Gordon did with his powers!
    It must have been awful that it kinda broke him… remembering the cheerful kid from the origin card and seeing this dead-serious guy now… it must have been literally life changing 🙁

  • Mary Klemzak

    I live that Mitch isn’t even mad. I want to give him a hug too. After a smack upside the head, for being a sarcastic ahole to Spooky. I mean geez, jealous much? The truth comes out at least.

    After all this though, he won’t be able to deal with it. Unless it comes up again by chance. I’m not an official psychologist but I do love the subject. I want to help people deal with things if they are having issues. Even if they’re fictional. Ugh my feels.

    • Derkins

      I’m right there with ya 🙂

  • Mary Klemzak

    Can we all just agree, Gordo needs a hug? I volunteer! I’m a big hugger.

    • Pikinanou

      I agree!

    • Derkins

      I think maybe he needs something more like a proper smack on the ass to get going, and a therapy appointment. No one should have to deal with their trauma alone. And if I tried to hug him in this scene, I’d be afraid I’d get elbowed! He’s so unpredictably hot and cold!

      • Mary Klemzak

        Not necessarily. I think he’d be surprised, specially since he’s getting some hate, but I kinda see where he’s coming from.

        How many here are parents? Or even have pets? You don’t want any harm ever to come to them. Just to be happy and healthy. Sucks that the world isn’t like that and we can’t protect them forever. They have to trip and fall and make mistakes. Best we can do is help them with consequences, if any. Scratched knee. Tears. They may hurt us to see, but its part of life.

        Gordon is barely out of childhood. 20, is he? Not quite legal, but some are forced by events in life to grow up fast. Too fast. Maybe he had to learn early, to be protective of other’s.

        I still want to know what made him this way. Nobody is this way, naturally. It’s easy to judge someone without knowing all the facts.

        Let’s be a bit kinder to the big, sensitive, tsundere guy, shall we?

        • Derkins

          I was being kind, actually. Sorry if it came across mean. I suggest therapy to all those people I care about most, who struggle with their traumas. Saying someone shouldn’t have to deal with their struggles alone is very kind. It’s something I’ve had to do myself, before, and it’s something some of my closest friends and family have used to change their lives for the better, following their own traumas.

          The kick in the ass thing isn’t literal. I mean, he needs someone to say the thing Spooky just said. He needs someone tell tell him to stopit, because he deserves comfort, too.

          The last part of it, the unpredictability part of it, stems from the fact that Gordon reminds me a ton of my sister, in the way he acts. My sister is unpredictably hot and cold, and I HAVE been elbowed before, trying to give her comfort. So, I’m definitely projecting, there. But mostly because of how he unpredictably reacted to Spooky there, when he was trying to be comforting. I wouldn’t feel safe around him, for that reason. But I was saying that’s me personally. I’m not surprised other people would give him a hug. I wouldn’t, though. Sorry if that makes me insensitive that I wouldn’t hug the guy whose always unpredictably lashing out at others, but I’ve had too many painful run-ins trying to be sweet to people who behave that way.

          Maybe if he broke down crying, or *asked* for a hug. But someone who is as closed off and defensive as Gordon is … I would be very careful about giving him physical affection when he wasn’t expecting it.

          • Jeldenil

            Speaking as someone with traumatic experiences (as in being a victim of severe bullying for 9 years (7-16) and contracting cancer right afterwards), and having children, I can account for fiercely wanting to protect those children from what happened to yourself. But, I never truly learned how to handle traumatic situations, or how to stop them from influencing my self-esteem. As a result, I am living far below poverty standard, let myself get told I’m not good enough for f.e. better jobs repeatedly, and believe it. And I consciously KNOW that I do that. I also KNOW that there are ways to stop that kind of thinking, but it is waaaaay easier said then done. At the same time, like I said before, it is truly hard to show the smaller, weaker side of myself to others, to ask for help. Still, hugs and warm words can really mean a lot to me, and I would never turn them down. Even if they might not make a big difference in the end, the fact that they are offered is already something wonderful, and yeah, ‘us’ traumatized people need wonderful things in our life. So this may also have triggered my need to defend Gordon, because I see him as someone who comes across as a bully, but wants to protect others from his trauma instead. And who knows, maybe I come across as a bully sometimes myself, even if it’s the last thing I want. Sometimes it’s just very hard to deal with other human beings while still being respectful of yourself and not unintentionally hurting anyone. Anyway. Hugs all around, please.

          • Derkins

            So sorry to hear about your difficult past. I also dealt with a lot of abuse and bullying when I was younger, so I relate. Its part of why I’m apprehensive about opening myself up to others affectionately, when they aren’t capable of reciprocating or receiving it. Or if they are actually prone to lash out. Many of us are dying for a hug when we’re sad, but some others just want to be left alone (and I just don’t know Gordon well enough to predict how he’d respond to that.)

            Anyway, its definitely hard to watch those you care about struggle. Naturally when your kid scrapes their knee you want to scoop them up and kiss away there tears. The troubling thing is you can’t always be there to do so. Like you said, they need to learn how to deal with traumatic situations. That means they need to first encounter trauma, and second they need to have emotional resilience for handling it (they need to know they’re strong enough — cause they’ve been around the block before, and they survived, so they will again), and third they need the tools for coping with it.

            –> If you didn’t get that growing up by talking to a mentor, then it’s unfortunately something you will need to develop later in life, if you want to be healthy. It’s a situation so many people find themselves in, myself included. In this chaos of reality we live in, we need to know how to let go and move on when something bad happens. To focus on the good. So if we don’t learn how as children, talk therapy is a good place to begin.

            Despite some mild heartbreak, though, it has to make you proud the first time your kid picks themself up and dusts off their pants. You know when they’re out there in the world and they fall down and you’re not there — that they won’t be scarred for life. Like I said, they’ll know they’re tough enough to handle it, because you gave them the opportunity to test/learn their own strengths, abilities and resiliences.

            The first time I had a blowout on the interstate, and called my mom after I had already dealt with everything, she told me she was very proud I acted grown up, instead of calling her crying. It made her feel safer to know I could take care of myself when I was alone. How frightening is it to think your child needs you at all times, and that they can’t cope when something goes wrong, if you aren’t there? Or for a pet owner, how will you ever leave the house if your dog has terrible separation anxiety?

            Instead of protecting children from failure (which is impossible), it’s better to fail in front of them yourself, and show them its okay. It’s nothing to be ashamed of, because it’s part of the human condition to make mistakes.

            Of course it can be very damaging if all a kid does is fall, and they never have any support. That’s more what my childhood was like.

            I was just talking about Karma on the last page. I explained that for every action, there is a practical, emotional, and mental aspect of the experience. When you want to deal with an experience in a healthy way, you must address each of these aspects. You can’t work it out by dealing with only one or two of them. You can justify something in your mind, but if you don’t settle it in your heart, it will always bother you. Experiencing the sensation of failure, frustration, and pain, without accommodating each of these Karmic aspects, is ultimately damaging. Addressing each, on the other hand, is a blessing.

            Gordon is trying to make up for his past with his current heroic work, so that addresses the practical aspect. But he has refused to address it emotionally, and because he refuses to talk about it or progress ideologically, it seems he is not addressing the mental aspect, either. At least not in a positive/productive way.

            Therapy saves lives, and I would recommend it to anyone, ever, who experiences suffering. Pain, loss, and failure is part of the human condition … but suffering doesn’t have to be. (<– Buddhist concept)

          • Derkins

            Ironically, vulnerability is the key to strength and happiness. Two of my favorite TED talks are on shame and vulnerability, and are given by a “shame scientist” (https://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_on_vulnerability ). Brene Brown, the speaker, apparently had a bit of a nervous break down when she realized vulnerability was the key to happiness. It wasn’t somewhere she wanted to go, and the fact that her research was telling her it was absolutely vital for emotional health, was really disturbing to her at first. It’s far from easy — but it does get easier with practice. At first it takes all the courage you have in your whole being, just to take that first step. After a while, though, seeking support becomes second nature. We are social creatures, and shielding our hearts is not how we’re meant to live.
            *more hugs*

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Thanks for these rather awesome posts, Derkins. Very much appreciated. Even, knowing much of this already and agreeing… it’s very helpful hearing them in your own words. Great stuff. 🙂

          • Derkins

            so glad ^.^

          • Derkins

            Also wanted to add to my other longer post below:
            Ironically, vulnerability is the key to strength and happiness. Two of my favorite TED talks are on shame and vulnerability, and are given by a “shame scientist” (https://www.ted.com/talks/brene_brown_on_vulnerability ). Brene Brown, the speaker, apparently had a bit of a nervous break down when she realized vulnerability was the key to happiness. It wasn’t somewhere she wanted to go, and the fact that her research was telling her it was absolutely vital for emotional health, was really disturbing to her at first. It’s far from easy — but it does get easier with practice. At first it takes all the courage you have in your whole being, just to take that first step. After a while, though, seeking support becomes second nature. We are social creatures, and shielding our hearts is not how we’re meant to live.
            *more hugs*

  • Chris Dangerfield

    You know, I think @alexwoolfson:disqus just likes to get us all riled up. Well, I for one will not allow him to divert me from my highly justified Duncan-indignation!

    I firmly believe that Gordon may be dislikable for some folks (thass cool), but he’s ultimately fixable. DUNCAN? I’m still not buying it and I think he needs a severe comeuppance (even if he is smokin’ hot).

    That. Is. All. (chris crosses arms and puts on an admittedly adorable ‘stubborn’ face)

    • Tyler Griffin

      Perhaps Duncan could get his comeuppance at the hands of Gordon on that secluded deserted island. Just the two of them, working out their frustrations, and pineapples, and coconuts.

      • Klaus

        Would Duncan be able to seduce Gordon? Would even Duncan be able to seduce Gordon?

        If he saw some advantage in it, I believe Duncan would be able to seduce even Gordon.

        • Chris Dangerfield

          Klaus, I think you just built the Good Ship, “THE SERIOUSLY UNLIKELY” HA!

          • Derkins

            I’m imagining an artifice-like scenario at first. Duncan all up in Gordon’s face, and Gordon over in the corner pouting, like, “I can’t believe I’m stuck here with him.” XD

    • korydwen

      I’m 100% there with you. The big difference I think is that Gordon does feel bad (so bad it makes him difficult to actually bond with other people) for what he’ve done while Duncan doesn’t. At all. Or not enough to make him reconsider his actions.

      • Derkins

        Duncan maybe feels a light flutter of feelings for the destruction he’s about to wreak upon the earth, but clearly they’re small enough to bat away with a touch of violence.

      • Chris Dangerfield

        The key moment will be when he lets his memories and actions become truly conscious and lets himself learn not to repeat them. Duncan is very conscious. He very consciously puts immortality before love or any concern for some kid like Kyle or any human in non-north-american earth.

  • Nate

    Leaving aside the whole “narcissism” debate, it strikes me that Tsunami’s control issues stem from a touch of PTSD. The key words here are “what I DID with my powers”, not “what I DO with my powers”.

    (My guess is, somewhere along the lines, he killed someone, and has some trauma over that.)

    And while that makes him sympathetic, it doesn’t change the fact that he’s unilaterally decided that Mitch is this delicate glass figurine who must be wrapped in cotton wool and protected from the big bad world. And it’s ALWAYS Mitch, never any of the other boys. Sure, Spooky is self-confidence personified, but I can’t recall a situation where he felt the same level of concern over Paul or Kyle. And when KYLE made a serious mistake, where was this paternal streak?

    Don’t forget what triggered this line of discussion. Tsunami said he’d want to be stranded on a desert island, powerless, with Flyboy. And, somehow, his logic for that is so he can be sure Mitch won’t make any mistakes? Gordon’s so fixated on protecting him that he isn’t even thinking about the problem logically… he’d protect Mitch by being stranded him in the middle of nowhere? And he’d probably do everything himself because “it’s too dangerous for someone that young”, so Mitch would end up sitting around twiddling his thumbs while Papa Tsu keeps him safe.

    Honestly, Tsunami’s obsession over Flyboy’s safety & innocence is starting to come across a little obsessive. He may be young (and amazingly cute in that last panel) but Mitch is still a hero. Gordon has to accept that, and help him grow, not stifle his dreams.

    I’m sorry for whatever mistakes Tsunami has made in the past. It’s clearly hurt him, and he gets a Nate-hug for that. But Mitch MUST be allowed to make his own decisions about his life, and even make his own mistakes.

    It’s called “growing up”.

    • Cydney Sabin

      My guess: Mitch reminds him of the kid he killed with his powers, and he’s trying to atone for that.

  • Dennis Grace

    Gordon’s determined to be “special,” even if he has to be an asshole to ensure it. I’ve known guys like this. Even in a room full of recovering addicts who have all done bad things–illicit, immoral, degrading, unforgettably foul–he’ll insist on one-upping (one-downing?) everyone else. You’ve committed murder? He’s committed fratricide. You’re a serial killer and cannibal? He committed genocide and skull-fucked your grandparents. It’s a game without end, and he’s the pre-determined winner.

    • korydwen

      Like Kyle’s reaction when Spooky and Fluke come to get him after the whole Anni debacle ?

      • Dennis Grace

        I honestly don’t remember Kyle’s reaction (link?), but my guess would be no–different situation. Kyle was essentially still in shock and unlikely to be reasoning effectively. Besides, Gordon seems to be carrying this chip all the time. He’s mad at all of existence because it’s been unfair to him. Typical narcissist.

        • Derkins

          Kyle couldn’t stop blaming himself and calling himself a monster. He needed Spooky to say, “what do you want to do about it? Help Duncan, or stop him? That’s how you know if you’re good or evil.” He expected his friends to think he was a bad person.

          Gordon feels too much shame to divulge in the way Kyle did, because he is a far more prideful individual. Though to be fair, Kyle was in a situation where he was forced to tell his friends. It wasn’t something he wanted to do. At the same time, though, instead of trying to hold his friends close and control them, he was willing to let them make their own decisions about it. He gave them a free pass on not being his friends anymore.
          Gordon on the other hand probably expects to be rejected for his past (considering he rejects himself), and therefore avoids putting himself in the hot seat. Here his life is on the line, and he’s still insisting he’s just too different to be understood. That is the difference with them, I think. Kyle gave the power over to his friends, and Gordon maintains it for himself.

          And yeah, I agree that Gordon is a narcissist, because of all this. Everything always comes back to being about him. There is no bigger picture. Unfortunately narcissists can be some of the most self-destructive people out there, when they see themselves in a negative light. It’s a negative self-obsession, simultaneously paired with cockiness. No wonder he’s so frustrating. :p

          • Chris Dangerfield

            This was thoughtfully expressed thank you. I’d just like to add one thought to the Kyle-trauma vs. Gordon-trauma examination.

            Part of Kyle’s issue (in addition to poor dating choices and getting betrayed by the ultimate scam-master, etc…) is that he’s revealing he’s gay. NO CHOICE in that. There is choice in WHO you choose to share that with (usually), but once you determine who you are (straight, LGBTQ, etc…) there is NO choice. I’m gay is what it is. So, as hurtful as it is to be rejected (and I know), it still doesn’t matter. You can’t NOT be gay. So, they must do what THEY must do and you have learn to live with that and, hopefully, still love yourself.

            (Big assumption:) Assuming Gordon is straight and his issue is not about his sexual identification in any way, then he is struggling with revealing “CHOICES” he made in his past that he considers unforgivable.

            So the two situations may contain some polar different elements. Poor choices that went bad. (Gay) No choice, but some poor decision-making about how to pursue something essential.

            It’s tricky to compare, but interesting.

          • Derkins

            Hmm let me think on that with you.
            The coming out definitely made it a much more complicated matter for Kyle to tell everyone else about his ‘mistake,’ for sure. And despite the fact that being gay is not a choice in itself, I think Kyle felt that pursuing a relationship with Duncan was the risky choice that it was. We (and his best friends) all see how Kyle was corralled into making that choice, given his particular situation; but Kyle clearly didn’t look at it that way, when he was calling himself a monster. He felt entirely responsible for the option he chose, the sweetie.
            I think the choice/no-choice aspect could be compared to the superhero imperative that Mitch feels, to act, that Gordon says he relates to from his own past. Mitch is saying he just has to, despite any potential consequences. That actually sounds very similar to Kyle talking himself into dating Duncan. Because of the choice-less imperative, you end up justifying questionable choices.
            So yeah, while Gordon and Kyle both have responsibility for the way they handled their separate situations, Kyle honestly had to be that much more brave, precisely considering the sensitivity of his predicament.

            It’s going to be very interesting to hear not only what Gordon did exactly, but HOW he handled it after the fact. Who knew, and how did those people react? Did he get pelted with stones by an angry mob? Did someone he love disown him? I just wonder how his guilt turned into shame, and became such a heavy load. Kyle had such perfect support at the time, and I’m sure it’s had a lot to do with how well he’s taking it in the present time (despite some obvious anger).

  • Chris Dangerfield

    In my late night flurry of enjoying the descussion below I forgot the important part… thank you Alex and Julie for another exciting and visually stunning page.

    I know we’re drawing to the end of Interlude-ville, but I find myself wanting to keep going back for just one more question about this or that. I guess there just isn’t enough backstory in the world for some of us. LOL.

    Congratulations on bringing out so much emotional thinking from your fans here. I think it’s rare, even in a dedicated fandom, to have such a high level discussion about character behaviors and their causes and have so many smart people feel extremely differently about what it all means and how they feel about the characters.

    The discussions in the last pages have covered motives, execution, behavior, intentions and methods for improvement. Smart fandom you’ve got here. I think you get to feel rather good about that.

    Julie you get the brass ring for some truly amazing expressions on this page. Running the entire gamut of emotion with Tsunami and, further, making Mitch so darn cute we’re all about to mug Dokidokibaka and take him home (except there’s this possibly poisoned tea… and well you know… some things aren’t worth the risk).

    Like everyone else I’m on tenterhooks hoping for a few more critical details on this story-bit… so if the Deux Ex Machina sun suddenly pops up at the top of the next page and Paul keels over dead. I’m putting on my Jason Bourne and heading to the Yaoi911 underground bunker… and it won’t be pretty. 🙂

    I haven’t gotten to be this vicariously unreasonable since I was young with my brother and he refused (I know shocking) to accept my amazing superior intellect and general awesomeness. This does feel like a sibling spat. I keep wondering when Mitch gets cranky and lifts big old Gordon up high and dangles him until he promises to behave. Younger brothers will trick you like that (sneaky buggers).

    Again thank you both so much. I’m already setting my time machine for page-day and Fed-Exing my package of camping smores into the future. Swell work!

    • Thank you so much, Chris! I’m glad you’re liking the storytelling and the art here. And I agree — we have an awesomely smart fandom. 🙂

  • korydwen

    I think the difference between Tsunami and Spooky is that Spooky was a victim. Tsunami was a perpetrator. You get sympathy when you’re a victim (with loads of victim blaming too, that’s the other side of the coin), but do you get much when you’re a perpetrator ? Even when you’re a repentant perpretator ?

    Isn’t Tsunami jealous that Spooky actually got better when he himself couldn’t ?

    The same way Spooky can relate to Kyle’s trauma with Anni, Fluke couldn’t at all. So as well intended Spooky was, it is difficult to lay yourself bare like that without knowing if anyone could relate to that. And Amanda is not anyone’s confident at all. I doubt she ever offered Gordon to talk about the emotional scar that his action might have cause in him.

    She strikes me more as a Légion Etrangère kind of commander “we do not ask questions, nor talk about your past further if you do your job”.

    I’m not touching the “mental illness” thing with a ten-long meter pole because, no. I prefer not. I do find a bit “rude” to use a confession of trauma as a point to more or less “diagnose” a mental illness outside of this trauma.

    Anyway, It’s adorable to see that Mitch is understanding Gordon’s concern. He’s also such a kid I want to hug him. Can they hug at the end ? I feel like both of them should hug (and then the sun comes up and they have no idea why they hug and they keep wondering why they hugged AND IT’S THE START OF A GREAT BONDING STORY BECAUSE IF THEY HAD HUGGED IT MUST MEAN THEY HAVE SHARED SOMETHING DEEP AND INTENSE AND THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT NTHAT WAS !)

    Also can we talk about Amanda’s face in the first panel? She looks sympathetic toward Gordon, Spooky has his :/ face like ‘hey dude I was trying to comfort you” but Amanda’s face is all sad and I’m thinking she might be much more sympathetic toward Gordon than anyone else.

    Also, here again Grodon is talking about responsability. Which means that all the bad things he did ? He owned up to them. He didn’t try to justify them under some “I am saving the world and I am just very very misunderstand by everyone else!!” *coughDuncancough* bs.

    • Derkins

      Exactly, thus the shame. Was talking on the last page about how when you’re the innocent bystander or victim, what you end up feeling afterward is pain. When you’re the instigator, however, you’ve got the pain on top of the responsibility of the whole thing. And that surmounts to the most toxic emotion available to human beings: Shame.

      Sad thing is, Gordon’s jealousy about the inability to grow and heal, is a constant revalidation that he *is* broken, and that he *can’t* heal. He believes that about himself, or else he wouldn’t be snapping at spooky here. “That’s not who I am.” That’s really sad. Boy needs therapy/long-term counseling for that trauma. And not because he has mental illness, but because that’s what a person needs following a trauma they are unable to heal from, and which prevents them from living their life fully.

      I want to say though I appreciate so much your drawing the comparison to Duncan, and how Gordon is like a flip-side of the coin, by assuming responsibility for the aftermath of his actions, versus giving himself a free pass on the guilt. This is something we can give Gordon props for, and I’m glad — despite the fact that same guilt is also destructive in other ways, it’s also an indicator of his deeply sensitive heart, underneath it all. Reminds me of my sister, who is a harsh and controlling person on the outside, but is crazy fragile/soft on the inside. So she protects herself (and those she cares about, she thinks) with verbal razors and spikes.

      • korydwen

        Yes yes exactly ! Thanks for adding the words my brain couldn’t put in order 😀
        The shame is holding Gordon back, and it’s a similar thing we saw in Spooky’s scene where he met Amanda. She helped him to move away from his shame and it helped him putting himself back together. And then we saw Spooky doing the same thing for Kyle after the Duncan thing. (and I need to know so so so much how Tsunami became his name and when because it can either be a reinforcement of his shame if it became it after the “mistakes”, but if it was given before it could have been an ego sign that after became a sort of curse. I’m rambling, Alex I need answers ! Please ?)

        Shame can be a really really awful spiral (I witnessed it personally not long ago with a friend of mine) it’s interesting that to be able to move away from shame -that keeps you in a “narcissistic” negative spiral- you have to see yourself in a “narcissistic” positive light.
        Like you said, boy need therapy to heal from his trauma 🙁 gosh the idea of none of them remembering anything, and so returning to a previous state after they had made the first steps toward a healing path is sooooo painful T_T

        And you’re welcome about the comparison with Duncan :p I don’t really know what the general feelings are about him but I had this thought the other night (thinking about Kyle actually) that it’s the choices you make after messing up that are important. If you just go “fuck it I’m just a misunderstood artist!” and continue to mess up the world, that’s not very heroic of you XD.
        My sister is a bit like that too. She’s extremely protective and for long I thought she was so tough and strong but in the end I realized that under that armour she was the most fragile between us.

      • Good, thoughtful discussion here between the both of you. Fun for me to read. 🙂

    • Jeldenil

      I love you for voicing what I thought so much better. <3

  • korydwen

    *ding* oh goddamn that last line, i just thought… Is that why Gordon went to a “search and rescue team” ? Because he doesn’t want to do vigilanting stuff anymore ? Would have he been as mad if Flyboy admitted he went alone on search and rescue mission and not vigilanting ones by himself ?

    Can he spill the bean because it’s too much mystery and suspense for me!!!!

    • Mary Klemzak

      I knooowww!!!!!!

  • Oh Gordon. You’re not jealous, you’re envious. Clearly there was no time to read the dictionary or argue the messy points of the English-language in that dark past of yours.

    • Thank you for that! You’ve renewed my faith in humanity! (or a small subsection thereof)

      I swear, I should have a macro saying what you just said.

    • Adam Black

      is there a difference?

      • There is. I think the best way to explain it is that envy is a desire for something someone else has. Jealousy, on the other hand, is the fear that someone desires or will take the thing that you already have.

  • Derkins

    Shame poisoning his relationships and locking away his heart. Sadly, I called it. :/

  • Abyssdoor
  • Paul D’Arbonne

    I’m seeing a lot of wonderful points in the comments, but I’d like to add my own little observation. Gordon is saying he never wants Mitch to go through what happened to him. The problem is that though it is noble to want to help and protect others, you cannot protect them from everything and they will make mistakes of their own. You have to let them live and learn. The better thing to do rather than be a paranoid guardian is to give advise and be there for there for them when they do make mistakes. No matter how much Gordon wants to make sure Mitch doesn’t repeat his own mistakes they’re going to happen. That said, with what he says at the end of the page, I feel Gordon realizes this but still wants to try.

    • And what happened to Tsu-Tsu could never happen Mitch. They don’t have the same powers…..I mean really.

      I just feel that Tsu-Tsu is completely focusing on the wrong kid here. The worst I could imagine Mitch doing is accidentally dropping a bus of kids he was saving and not catching it again. But if that was the case, I would kind of be more concerned about what drew his attention that would make him forget to catch the bus of kids in the first place.

      If anything, Kyle is the most likely to have an incident more like whatever power related incident happened to Tsu-Tsu.

      • Paul D’Arbonne

        I think the reason Gordon puts so much emphasis on Mitch is because of two reasons. First, Mitch is the youngest so there may be an “older brother, younger brother” kind of effect going on. The second is the fact that Mitch had gotten in trouble with other hero groups before so Grodon worries that Mitch may do something worse.

        • But he didn’t get kicked off for causing accidental harm, but for helping people “off the clock”. For breaking the rules. Sure I know those rules are probably there for a reason, but instead of working with Mitch and finding a solution, they just cut him loose. He is only recently 15, meaning he was probably only 14 when the CC dropped him.

          I mean I could see some of the older members being dropped for breaking any big rules, but you cannot just cut a kid off like that. If it was because it was something Mitch was caught doing repeatedly then they should have worked with him to help him handle it.

          What if Mitch already has a tragic “I knew someone was in danger and I did nothing and they died” story? With is eyes and hearing and his ability to fly, it wouldn’t be too surprising, especially if he was living in a city.

          • Paul D’Arbonne

            No he didn’t get kicked for hurting anyone, he got kicked for breaking rules. He says he broke rules several times as well, so it is totally understandable why they cut him. He didn’t say whether they tried to work with him, so I imagine they may have and he just kept ignoring them. Keep in mind he is young and probably was pretty petulant when he was younger. Young people tend to not like when they are told not to do something and think they can even though they lack the experience and maturity. After all, he now does this in secret, meaning he knows he’d get in trouble if it came to light.

            Don’t worry, not saying you’re wrong, but Mitch does have to be held accountable for his own actions. He may HAVE the power to help people, but that doesn’t mean he has the maturity or experience to do it properly. It’s why, though I feel Gordon is going at it wrong, I can understand his actions towards Mitch.

            Plus, even if they immediately kicked him from the other teams, they probably explained to him why as well so that he understood the reason. Like I said, being young it probably wasn’t the other teams being unfair but rather him not listening like he should. One’s age does not denote leniency. If you do something wrong you have to be held accountable or else you don’t learn from said mistakes. Mitch is learning, but he obviously has a ways to go as well.

          • I personally have not seen anything that would greatly endear me to the official teams. I know there has to be consequences for breaking the rules, but throwing a kid off a team and not letting him join any other official team? Maybe another official team would have had better success in handling Mitch. I mean these are kids with super powers! How many kids turned villain just because the “heroes” couldn’t figure out how to deal with them and just dumped them? There seem to be only about 5 options for those with powers. 1) Try to get on an official Hero team 2) Join a less official team of rejects 3) go vigilante 4) become a villain and 5) never use your powers and live a quiet dull life. And of the two vigilantes we have seen doesn’t really recommend that life for Mitch (I would hate for him to get lumped in with Hunter and Killer) and he has too much of need to help others to live quietly. Mitch is trying to fit in with the good guys. I believe he is trying his hardest to be good. However, he has a pressing need in him that isn’t being met. Considering the fact that he is hiding his continuing nightly activities means that the need is still not being met. I would think that if any effort with Mitch had been made with his previous team, then they would have made Amanda aware of the steps that they have tried and to maybe have her continue try to work with him. I don’t really think they put that much effort in with Mitch. His powers aren’t exactly for the offense. So they probably didn’t see much use for him anyway. Amanda’s reaction was to be understanding and concerned that he didn’t have the necessary training to be in those types of situations. If she had known he was still doing this, she probably would have set up a special training program for him and set him up with a buddy system so he wouldn’t be completely on his own.

          • Paul D’Arbonne

            Exactly, what Mitch is missing is a mentor figure. I wouldn’t go so far as to say the teams that sent him away are bad though. Who’s to say they didn’t try. We don’t have that information from the story (at least not yet).

            Anyway, Gordon could be that mentor figure, but he reacted to Mitch in the worst way possible. Instead of being understanding and empathetic he yelled at him and treated him like an idiot. Mitch is very obviously none of that as he has shown maturity in learning from his past mistakes (and later with being a scout instead of a fighter). Gordon’s being way too reactionary and defensive to try and understand that all Mitch needs is someone to watch over him and help him learn.

            Gordon’s got some major skeletons in the closet as he is (as someone else pointed out) envious of Spooky, not jealous. He wants to be a stronger person and puts up a front to seem so when he himself is actually mentally scared. This obviously comes from whatever he did in the past. As such, he’s shut himself from others and doesn’t like sharing his inner thoughts and feelings as he perceives it as weak. The funny part is that all it requires is him opening up to his teammates, but we all know that it can be very hard to be honest with others even if they are people you care about. Hopefully, they’ll be writing down some of what Gordon says as that could very well help his situation.

      • korydwen

        The choice of Mitch is indeed a bit odd. Maybe because he’s the youngest and the whole gang is isolating him in some way ? If everyone is having protective feelings toward Mitch and not particularly strong ones about any of the other members, that could explain why his protectiveness ended up on Mitch ?

        Might also very be Mitch’s mindset about his powers and helping others that could resonate hard in Gordon and accentuating the whole thing (sorry, I don’t know how to do words anymore I need to go grab somethign to eat XD)

      • moneyfields19

        How do you know that exactly?

      • I kinda have to disagree with you here. To say that it could never happen to Mitch because they don’t have the same powers .. why couldn’t it?
        No matter the power – or no powers – a mistake can cause you to harm someone badly, even kill someone.

    • Maus Merryjest

      As the poor Witch in Into The Woods soon find out- no matter what you do, children won’t listen. They have to make their own mistakes.

  • Toli Bera

    Aww Gordon, you have your own fans. <3 who wouldn't love to cuddle up to dem muscles. and have a grumpy-yet-loving husbando?

  • Chibi

    Hey guys if you are interested in supporting another Bl comic try this one they are doing a kickstarter it’s their first time

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1459489592/the-collected-element-of-surprise-webcomic-to-prin

    Also there is another campaign for a BL game

    https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/fantastic-boyfriends#/story

    really hoping they reach their goal but time is ticking away 🙁

  • SchalaRenee

    Wow…this kind of changes my opinion of Gordon. I hated him and even thought he was on Sircea’s side at one point. I guess he’s just had a hard life.

  • James Holman

    None of this makes me like Gordon. I still think he is a bully, and far too holier than thou.

    • moneyfields19

      What and why he does what he does is kinda the opposite of bullying.

      Or does being overprotective make someone a bully?

      • TheManBehindTheCurtain

        Flipper is a serious case of being a helicopter parent (or guardian anyways).

  • As much as I think Gordon can be overbearing… I can absolutely relate with his feelings, and I definitely know I’ve been as forceful as he is being about things I feel strongly about that could harm others. Of all the characters I could relate to, definitely didn’t think he’d be the one… LOL

  • Steven

    I love how the General knows all of their secrets.

  • Shinashi

    My brother and I came from an abusive household, and he’s so much like Tsunami, it’s not even funny. Now that I think about our conversations, I realize that I’m pretty much Spooky. I have no worries unless they are right in front of me, and I have a pretty optimistic outlook on everything and everyone. My brother does not. We try to temper each other XD

    As you can see, I find the latest news something to relate to.

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Thank you for sharing something so personal, Shinashi. I wish both you and your brother all the good things in your lives now, and I hope that your brother will find a greater measure of peace. *hugs*

      • Shinashi

        Oh, why, thank you. Lol, if you gave this message to my brother, he would cry, but I was just surprised. Haha, such sweet words. Thank you so much!

  • So much talk about Tsunami’s self asorbed ways. Some think he’s kinda narcissistic, others talk about traumas. I don’t know…

    The thing is that we still don’t know exactly what Tsu is refering to, and what happened. We don’t know how Tsu was before that incident, and what help he did or didn’t get to process it.

    With the scene in the factory, we saw how Kyle was moving down that same path that Tsu seems to have been on for years. He was on his way to blaming himself for everything and ‘nothing’, but Spooky was there to snap him out of it right away. Had Spooky and the team not been there, it would have been something else for Kyle to add to his current guilt about his foster sister without much emotional support.

    I wonder if someone was there to ‘catch’ Tsu, or did he get blamed for what happened and no proper help to process it? He’s obviously gotten to build on his self blame to the degree where it now. Where it seems to control so much of his personality and actions. How much of his current behavior is ‘old’ Tsu, and how much have come perhaps because there wasn’t that someone to snap him out of it? HAS someone tried to really help, but ‘too late’, or has his grumpy ways kept anyone from really trying?

    I think Tsu was pretty young when he hurt (or killed) someone, since he didn’t even make it on a hero team (possibly another nail in that self blame that he was deemed not good enough based on his past), and that is something that affects you.
    People react different to traumas, and ‘young age’ traumas may not be noticed as much if there’s no obvious signs it has affected the child. Words overheard about you can be interpreted wrong/as blame. It can be hard to say if/how well a children have handled it mentally. The younger someone is when a truma happens, the harder it might be to realize how much it still lingers in you.

    Tsu SO hasn’t handles his past, and his nearly desperate overprotection of Mitch, because he sees some of his (old) self in Mitch, is painful to watch. He’s reflecting himself in Mitch, and kinda forgets that Mitch has a strong personality of his own.

    I think Mitch now have a stronger mentality than Tsu had at the age of 14, both personality and perhaps because he’s not ‘wounded’ as Tsu is. I see that as one of the big differences between the two. The one Tsu’s self-issues has made him blind to. No, I don’t think Mitch could turn onto another Tsu, and luckily for Mitch, he’ll have a lot of support, IF he should come to make that mistake that we all hope to never happen.

    P.S. Ironically it just struck me that at 15, Mitch may actually be the one of them who’s lasted the longest without any of those hard personal traumas that leaves a deeper wound. Being rejected from the CC team was probably a personal blow, but I wouldn’t count it as a trauma.

    • Kiri

      Thanks Danish Wolf for this post. Saved me saying it. I can see so much self-hate in Tsu and so much projecting onto Mitch. I agree with you entirely!

    • stickfigurefairytales

      YES. THIS.

  • KezzieZ

    So basically, Flyboy is a perfect cinnamon roll that’s too good for this world.

    I’m a bit morbidly curious about Tsunami’s past issues, even if it’s no doubt going to be painful. I’m kind of hoping he’ll get his past out in the open to try to lighten the load a bit, not to mention that I wonder if he’s seeing anyone about whatever it was, considering he’s still facing that trauma he has. Maybe Commander reached out to him in friendship the same way she did with Spooky when they met?

    Anyway, I hope the conventions are fun! I’ve been wanting to see San Diego Comic Con for years, but I know I’m not the only person with that particular desire. So far, I’ve only been to anime conventions and it’s almost exclusively been Dallas A-Kon.

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Okay… “So basically, Flyboy is a perfect cinnamon roll that’s too good for this world.” Just HA for that! Perfect.

      • Michael

        True, though.

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Too good, too pure. 😀

  • Danny

    Hello. Is anyone else here to camp yet?

    • Morgan

      Just got here!

      • Danny

        Cool. We’ll set up camp and wait for the others. S’more?

        • Morgan

          Oh, yes please! Thank you very much.

          • Danny

            *passes over s’more*

            Enjoy!

    • Saxon_Brenton

      Yes indeed. Ducking away from and then back to my computer as I do work, but I’m here.

      • Danny

        Sounds good. I’ll be doing the same.

  • sprrocket

    I just want to squish Mitch’s widdle face >-<

  • jreed3842

    Hello my fellow campers! How is everyone tonight?!

    • Danny

      Hello. There doesn’t seem to be too many of us here yet.

      • jreed3842

        Yeah… *listens to the crickets chirp*

        • Morgan

          *through a mouthful of s’mores* Hi

      • Michael

        I’m here! Hi, guys!

        • jreed3842

          Hi!!

        • Danny

          Hello! S’more?

          • Michael

            No thanks, I have hot buttery peas. 🙂

    • Danny

      Also, would you like a s’more?

      • jreed3842

        Of course!!!

    • stickfigurefairytales

      I’m doing fine, how are you?

  • Hi everybody!! Good Morning, Good Afternoon, and Good Evening (ah ah ah ah)!

    • Keneu

      Hello! It’s good evening for me here. 🙂

      • And I hope it’s a good evening!

        • Keneu

          Sure! It’s summer solstice, so people is celebrating it lighting bonfires and grilling sardines and churrasco. It’s one of my favourite nights of the year.

    • Michael

      Hi!

      It’s late morning here, only half an hour from noon. Hope your hemiweek was good.

      • Hello! So far so good. How about you?

        • Michael

          Pretty darn good. Had the house to myself from Sunday to tomorrow, so I’ve had a bit of a mini-holiday, in between cutting-in for the first coat of colour paint on the lounge walls.

          Today once the comic is posted I’m going to jerry-rig a portable shelf to sit at the head of my bed.

          • Sounds busy!!

          • Michael

            Not really, I could (should) be doing much more, but I figure if Mum’s going on holidays for a week, I should be able to slow down a little bit as well.

            On the plus side, it’s grading week at kung fu next week! 😀 I always enjoy that, it never fails to excite. It’s so interesting how everyone interprets and takes on their training differently, and everyone has different strengths and weaknesses in different areas of focus.

    • Ma chere Admiral! You are well, I trust?

      • As well as I can be!! And you??

        • C’est Magnifique! Thank you for asking! OMG, no, I quoted Big Gay Al again!

          • Ha!! I suppose there are worse cartoon individuals to quote

          • Don’t tell me! It’ll get stuck in my head! La-la-la-la!!!

          • davefragments

            Actually, C’est Magnifique! is a Cole Porter song.
            Forgive the Spanish Dubbing in this but the song is pure Frank Sinatra. There’s an Ella Fitzgerald version too.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W54axvet19A

          • Why, thank you, sir!

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Hello, hello!

      • Hello!!

        • stickfigurefairytales

          How is your evening going?

          • Not too bad now that my headache seems to be waning.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            That’s good news! Begone, headache! Begone from our Admiral!

          • I think it’s the weather. How are you doing?

          • stickfigurefairytales

            I’m doing well! I did some babysitting last night for a great bunch of kids (a 5-year-old, a 7-year-old, and a 9-year-old), and it went really well.

          • Yay!! You’re very brave!

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Haha, nah, it was fine. I’ve actually been doing some tutoring for the older two kids (math with the 9-year-old girl, reading with the 7-year-old boy) so we already knew each other. The girl is really mature and is a big help. And I played dinosaurs with the two boys and the dogs. (They also have three dogs, who are all sweethearts)

          • Well, still sounds brave. 🙂 Children don’t seem to like me.

          • Michael

            I agree, working with children requires a certain skillset and mentality. I can’t work with kids because with my hearing condition I can’t understand when they talk, at least until the mid teens. Before then it’s all just a bunch of squeaking and parrot-squawks.

          • That’s rough.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            It definitely requires specialized skills, not to mention a huge amount of energy. I have so much respect for the work parents have to put in.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Aw, thanks. I tend to get along pretty well with kids.

          • I’ve only had one or two who like me. Babies usually start crying when I hold them. 🙁

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Well, babies are unpredictable little bundles of mystery, so they’re always tough.

          • True. But damn, it’s a kick to the self-esteem.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Yeah…

          • Michael

            I have fumblefingers and no depth perception, so I’m always terrified of dropping them or banging them into things if I move. 🙁

          • Yeah there is that.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            My advice is to only hold them while sitting down, then.

          • Michael

            That’s what I do, whenever I am expected/encouraged to hold one.

            On a seat with safety padding on the sides and cushions at and around my feet. >_>

      • How you be, chere amie?

        • stickfigurefairytales

          I’m doing pretty well. How about you?

          • I’m super, thanks for asking…! I did it again! I’m possessed by Big Gay Al! *muppet weeps*

          • I’m… excellent! I appreciate your asking! YES! No Big Gay Al reference. D’OH!

    • davefragments

      Hello.

    • Morgan

      Good evening!

  • O-siyo to all! Break out wine! Bring out the dancing boys and girls! It’s late evening here so par-tay!

    • stickfigurefairytales

      All riiiight!

  • Saunters in, hello everyone! Preparing for the heat wave to start here this weekend… going to get up to 37 degrees (100). Good thing I’ll be near a lake… XD

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Poor Starr! But I’m glad you’ll have the lake nearby.

    • Morgan

      Ooh… yuuuuck. Lake sounds nice, though.

    • *cuddles with Starr* miss you

    • Michael

      wow, where are you? We rarely get above 35 in summer here in south-east victoria (australia).

      I’m trying to work out where in the world is (a) currently in summer, (b) uses celcius degrees, and (c) actually gets hot in summer. I’m afraid I’m coming up blank…

      • Canada aka land of -30 in the winter and +30 in the summer with extreme temperature shifts all the time

        • Michael

          of course! I hadn’t thought of Canada because of the “freezing snow-covered wasteland” stereotype. (Or is that Russia?)

    • Saxon_Brenton

      [chuckles] Which reminds me that last Sunday morning there was the annual mass nude bathing event in Hobart to mark the passing of the Winter solstice. Water temp: 11 C, air temp: just under 1 C.

      • Michael

        Sounds more fun than what we had! We just had a lantern parade on Saturday night. In an area infamous for having NO parking. I didn’t go, because I would have had to take the train anyway.

      • I might need that this weekend with that heat XD

        • Saxon_Brenton

          [facetitious voice] Ah, how contrarian we humans are. When it’s hot we want cold. When it’s cold we want hot. 🙂

          • I’m staying on the positive side as it is an excellent way to sweat and lose weight and still be able to justify cold beer.

          • Michael

            Not to burst your bubble, but beer contributes to dehydration, not solves it.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            But the temperature makes it helpful!

          • Exactly, all state of mind 😉 I’m going to enjoy my week off and the nice hot weather during it for once!

          • Thought that counts hun. It’s not stopping the drinking 😉

  • davefragments

    The Proof copy of my anthology of short stories came last Friday. It wasn’t what I expected but that is the reason you get proof copies.
    My word processing software doesn’t know odd from even pages so the inside margins were garbaged up. The back cover had print so small that even I couldn’t read. Then I had to read it for any missed errors.
    Oh My!

    • Which word processing program?

      • davefragments

        Apple’s PAGES version 5.
        However, because I asked the Apple Store if it generated RTF files, they gave me Version 4 to do that in two steps. Version 4 does do odds and evens with proper margins. It took me a few hours to redo the file in the older version.

        • stickfigurefairytales

          That sounds like a huge pain.

          • davefragments

            I found about 48 changes I wanted to make so I would have had to go back and check each page for single words on lines and any spacing problems .

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Oh jeez!!!

          • davefragments

            Some of it was wrong pronouns or misattributed sentences. No misspellings. Then I found places where one sentence would be two back or move forward. Those thing slip through even Grammarly.
            That’s why you get proofs.
            The back cover was not my doing.

        • Michael

          y’all need InDesign. Word processing programs are not really designed for print-layout, and using something like Word or Pages for a multi-page booklet or the like makes so much extra work for you.

          • davefragments

            InDesign is a few hundred dollars and that’s too much to spend for one anthology.

          • Michael

            If it’s only one anthology, you can download a free trial version that expires in 30 days, no payments required.

            If you’re self-publishing through a POD, it’s worth it to at least trial the industry-standard programs. Is this going to be for sale, or distribution among family and friends, sort of thing?

          • davefragments

            One day I will. If this proof looks good, I’ll be all set to publish.

          • Actually I self-publish and I’ve always used Word and had no problems. Just need to know the various formattings.

          • davefragments

            Kerning and justification in WORD sucks.
            I got away with using PAGES 2009 because I used the Baskerville font and that hides some of the ugly looking stuff.
            Times New Roman is a font that should be banned. I do most of my writing in Georgia Font.

          • Michael

            Georgia is gorgeous. I also am a big fan of Calibri, even though it’s sans serif. it’s just such a clean, well-proportioned typeface.

          • davefragments

            I wouldn’t set a book in a san serif font unless it was a textbook or a graphic novel.

          • Michael

            True, but it’s good for informational things like resumes, brochures, labels, titles, and so on.

          • davefragments

            True, true.
            I’ve written brochures but that was for work and we had a graphics department that did the typesetting. That’s where I learned this stuff. I Was “printing and publishing officer”

          • Michael

            Ah, cool. I learned at uni, as part of my writing/editing/publishing specialist degree.

          • davefragments

            I’m a chemical engineer who got caught in a monstrous reorganization and ended up with odd assignments for a couple to three years. One was Printing and Publishing and that’s where I learned about this. I also had work install Photoshop, one of the commercial drawing programs (I forget the name, think glorified graphs and slides), but not Indesign (or anything like it). However, I was the only person allowed to go to a printer with a requisition and I learned REAL FAST never to do anything without a proof, what the mylars looked like, how to identify font troubles, and one very odd day, how to recognize mail bombs with x-rays.
            I wanted my pumps and pipes and tubing and valves back but this one boss decided I cow;d be a Public Relations spokesman. That was comic relief for two days.
            If I could learn me heat transfer, fluid flow and thermodynamics, I could learn me anything.
            Now I write short stories as a retired olde pharte.

          • Do you know the page size and margins for the book?

            I’ve never minded Times New Roman, but have been writing with Georgia lately. Never looked at the kerning, have no idea what it does.

          • Michael

            kerning is the spacing between letters, too little and the letters will overlap or bleed, too much and your proportions are all off. But then there’s differewnt kerning requirements for different letters, like I and J and L need more space around them than B or M or D in order to maximise clarity. Worse, bad kerning can lead to orphan/widow words, mid-word hyphenation, and all sorts of other design problems.

            Word just has the default for the typeface, plus or minus a percentage that you can plug in. Obviously less than ideal for professional layouts, which is where InDesign flourishes – it can change kerning strengths for individual characters as needed.

          • davefragments

            When I have a paragraph with one word that goes to a second line then I try to remove that word by kerning a percent or two. That’s about what a “kern” does.
            Also, I use full justification in a book. Fully justified columns look better than “ragged right.”
            Page size is usually set in a book. For a 6 by 9 inch perfect bound volume then the outer margin is at least a half inch and the inner margin more near three quarters.
            I don’t know what the top and bottom are with the header and footer. Actually CreateSpace that I’m using has a template.

          • Ah! I usually just rework a sentence or two to get rid of those single words..

            I have .5 for margins all the way around and then use a .3 gutter. And for the header and footer, I use either a .4 or .5 and I believe a 1.5 spacing. And yes, for the print I do use a full justification.

            I’ve been meaning to publish mine on CreateSpace. I’ve been using Lulu.

          • davefragments

            I want to go to Amazon and I didn’t see that on Lulu. Also, a friend was the Editor of FANTASTIC HORROR and he recommended Createspace to me.

            You can try 1.1 spacing instead of 1.5 and then put a space of 4 to 6 points after the paragraph. It looks different. It depends, I use lots of dialog and have short paragraphs. If there’s big paragraphs, then 1.5 might be better. I can’t say. .
            For a 6″by 9″ book I don’t like a 0.5 inch indent but that is a matter of personal choice. I used 0.25.

          • For the first line indent, I use a .3 I believe. And I use I believe 1.25 line space for the body though is might be smaller. Mine is mostly dialogue as well. It all takes a bit of creativity to get it all to work.

            You can get it on Amazon from Lulu, but it’s a pain in the butt and makes the book really expensive.

          • davefragments

            That was my impression of Lulu.
            I wanted to create an ebook with the anthology considering that 7 of the 10 stories are reprints from anthologies truly out of print and the publisher is gone.

          • This for me is some of the hardest parts of self-publishing, figuring out all the various formatting. There is formatting for the print book, all the various ebooks (I also publish on Smashwords, which gets me on Barnes and Noble, and iBooks). And the table of contents…don’t get me started

          • davefragments

            I dread making a linked table of contents.

          • My last book had around 60 chapters. I was near tears because in Word, it has to be done through bookmarks and hyperlinks within the document. I’ve just about sworn them off. This book I’m writing now has sections, so I’m most likely going to just put the sections in the TOC and not the chapters.

          • davefragments

            Ouch!
            I haven’t had that “pleasure” yet. I will find out, soon.

          • May the Force be with you when you do!

          • Michael

            At least you don’t have to worry about indexing… that’s an entirely separate field of editing. Even among professional editors, indexers are a strange, mysterious and semi-mythical breed.

          • I switched to Book Antiqua for body text. Headings, titles, page numbers, etc., depend on which project I am working on.

            I don’t have a problem doing layout in word. And I use the “master documents” feature to reduce load time for larger projects.

            As far as InDesign, have you looked into Adobe’s subscription option? I haven’t looked at prices lately, but I know at one point the whole shebang was $60 a month.

            I’m leery of using Indesign because there are some things that Pagemaker never did very well and I’m not convinced that they have fixed those.

        • Version 4 is Pages ’09? I came to it late after my computer died and my aunt sent me her old one. I had always worked with Word before. I will say, I’m happy to be back on Word.

          • davefragments

            I got tired of buying WORD.
            Yes, Pages 2009 (which is version 4) is better than PAGES version 5 for this type of work.

          • I lost version 4 after my computer got a new hard drive and was stuck with version 5. I then found a cheap copy of version 4 on Amazon. Version 4 was so much better.

            I was lucky though, that I didn’t have to pay Word, otherwise I’d still be using Pages.

          • davefragments

            One day, but this year I want to repave my driveway. That’s going to suck up all the spare money I have.

          • There are some things that just take precedent.

          • davefragments

            Even the new car is going to wait for the driveway.

  • Michael

    This camp is stretching on for too long, I’m going to have to see you all on the other side. it’s already past 1 here and I started camping at 11. I have washing to put out, curtain samples to collect, and a shelftable top to build.

    • Aw well! See you on the other side!

    • jreed3842

      I dunno how much longer I can make it either… it’s been a looong day. But I’m gonna try to stick it out! Have a good night!!

      • Michael

        It’s afternoon here, I’m wasting my daylight hours here.

        • jreed3842

          Even still…. have a good night whenever night time reaches ya!

          • Michael

            aww, thanks! I’m sure I will, having now seen the next page. I might need to print panel 3 and take it with me to keep under my pillow.

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Sleep well, and take care!

      • stickfigurefairytales

        Ah, you meant 1pm. I see. Well in that case, good luck with your various chores!

  • Hey guys, I am going to head out. My depression has decided to spiral down fast. So I am going to go to bed and hopefully distract myself with anime maybe.

    • Take care, Doki! (sorry I’m not on here enough anymore either…)

    • davefragments

      take care.
      have a good night

    • Nate

      *hugs*

    • stickfigurefairytales

      *hugs* Poor Doki. Please take good care of yourself. We love you!

      • *hugs* I love you too.

        • stickfigurefairytales

          Best Doki.

    • Morgan

      *hug* Take care, Doki

    • Keneu

      Take good care of yourself.

    • Sapfo

      take warm blanket and put it over yourself. Let the warm feeling be our feelings being with yout. You are not alone dear Doki <3

      • The anime helped. I was much better before I cried at the end. Emotional ending.

    • jreed3842

      *Gives you all the hugs*

    • Danny

      *offers s’mores*

      In case that helps any…

  • Nate

    The new page is visible with a bit of editing. I don’t know if I’m allowed to link to it. I can say that I would accept what Gordon turned down….

    • Morgan

      I’m intrigued!

    • stickfigurefairytales

      It’s not showing up for me yet. Is the url http://webcomics.yaoi911.com/typ/ete-tod-page-20 ?

      • Morgan

        Didn’t work for me either. 🙁

      • Nate

        No, I tried the link to the actual image, and iterated.
        (It helps that I know a bit of HTML)

  • davefragments

    Page 20 is Rising, slowly, slowly. . . Start watching for it!

  • davefragments