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The Young Protectors: Engaging The Enemy Truth or Dare—Page 17

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Oh, really?

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So! Tsunami would want to be alone on a desert island with Mitch. Why would he want to do that? And what will Mitch think of his response?

Tune in this Wednesday to find out! Hope to see you there! 😀

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  • Wait, what?

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Nice job, AJ!

      • It is a nice ego boost! XD

        • stickfigurefairytales

          I’ll bet! 😀
          Do you know what your total virgin count is now?

          • Michael

            eww. Better word choice, maybe?

          • stickfigurefairytales

            But that’s how new pages work.

          • Nope. I lost track after three. 🙂

          • stickfigurefairytales

            We’ll have to ask Doki if she’s been keeping up her chart.

          • Did she chart this out? Well then! Doki, do you know how many I’ve tagged?

          • stickfigurefairytales

            I believe she made a comprehensive one a while back, but I don’t know if she’s continued to update it (sometimes life gets in the way of things).

          • True…

          • I haven’t updated it since my computer went down, so I am a bit behind. But that is on my to do list. ^_^

          • No worries!! When ever the chance arises.

    • Michael

      “And the swaggie rolls in, covered in dust and flies…”

      I guess I can prematurely camp here for the next one…

    • Michael

      Just remembered, I hope the next panel includes a reaction shot of Paul.

    • I think I’ve lost my mojo. I’m starting to see a pattern here xD

      Last page, the one time I make it to camp early in a while, and I had to give up minutes before it was uploaded – and it was posted after 6am. The other pages, posted in the last 3-4 weeks has been up early around 4.45-5.15am my time – and always shortly before I’m around when I don’t make it to camp until after 5am. My inner hunter is out of sync >.>

      • It happens to all of us at some point. 🙂

      • Tyler Griffin

        It’s a delayed reaction to the time change? Or wait, do ya’ll DO Daylight Savings time?

  • stickfigurefairytales

    “I need someone to be disappointed in.”

    • Oh snap!

      • stickfigurefairytales

        I can’t help it – my mind just instantly jumps to the best one-liner I can think of.

    • Saxon_Brenton

      Alternatively: I need to control people, and as the youngest person here you’d be the easiest to bully.
      [Yes, I know that’s not particularly nice of me.]

  • Keneu

    Nice retort, Mitch.

  • Michael

    Gordon/Mitch is a ship that doesn’t fly, except in a distantly paternal kind of way. Because eww.

    I love that Mitch is still so considerate of his feelings and privacy, even when Gord’s been such a dick to him/everyone.

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Though Mitch is not above rubbing in the fact that he’s willing to be respectful of the privacy of others, unlike some people. 😀

      • Michael

        True, he does rub it a little, but he doesn’t wallow in it or hold it over Gordon, the way Gordon uses his age and authority against Mitch and the others on occasion.

  • stickfigurefairytales

    Seriously though, I do think that Gordon genuinely cares a lot about Mitch. I don’t think he does a good job of reacting to concern in a productive manner and I think that in general his reactions are more likely to push Mitch away than to convince him to modify his behavior, but I think that Gordon really does care about him. He’s just total crap at parenting.

    • Michael

      I’m getting that impression too. I think he cares quite deeply about all of his junior team-mates, he just really needs some more training for the situation.

      Maybe he can do an online Certificate of Youth Services.

      edit: and/or anger management.

      • Keneu

        He’ll need more than an online certificate. He needs training on how to express his emotions and convey them in a positive manner. Maybe a long session with Dr Maven?

        • stickfigurefairytales

          I’m not so sure she’d be all that helpful.

          • Keneu

            But she’s quite insightful and won’t take half assed answers. What she does with the info she learns is something else.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            True.

          • EyeDontNo

            “…won’t take half-assed answers.” When she knows she has the kill-switch at hand to force you to answer. We have yet to discover Tsu’s ‘kill-switch’.

        • Michael

          Up next on Dr. Phil: My teen-superhero team says I’m a dick!

          • Tyler Griffin

            Dr. Phil is the LAST person I’d call for help. 😛 But still hilarious.

          • Michael

            He’s the last person anybody should call for help.

          • Tyler Griffin

            He has some really, REALLY good general purpose advice for people dealing with normal life crap. But beyond that, when he pulls in these “celebratory” and “ripped from the headlines” interviews, he gets really disgusting really quickly.

          • Michael

            Not to mention the almost nonstop victim-blaming and benefit-of-doubt-to-abusive-boyfriends.

        • Chris Dangerfield

          ouch

    • Eve

      I think you’re right that he cares about all of them and will figure out a way to reconcile Kyle’s secrets and sexuality with his parental love for him. I just think it will take several more awkward, but audience-pleasing, arguments first.

  • Nate

    I suspect there’s another surprise coming. Because if he had parental feelings for Mitch, the LAST place he’d want Mitch is stranded on an island, powerless, with limited to no hope of rescue. Which, to me anyway, suggests a different motive.

    Is it possible that Gordon has more… romantic feelings for Flyboy? If memory serves, the curse forces honest replies, yes?

    • stickfigurefairytales

      I don’t believe the curse forces honesty in the way that truth serum would – I think it’s the constraints of the curse that they must answer truthfully if they’re going to successfully avoid death.

      • Nate

        Still, I can’t see how “protective towards the younger team members” can turn into “Want to spend an extended amount of time trapped with.”

        I mean, Amanda would be the logical choice, because she has had military training, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it included survival skills. Choosing Mitch… that’s not about logic or protectiveness.

        But it MIGHT be about possessiveness….

        • I suppose it could be that he thinks Mitch is incapable of taking care of himself. In this instance, he would get to be the whole authority.

        • stickfigurefairytales

          The Amanda option did occur to me, but then I thought that it might be better to have her out looking for you instead.

    • Michael

      It doesn’t “force” honest replies, it only punishes blatant lying. There are ways to talk around the truth without outright lying.

      See: Pinocchio in Shrek: “I don’t know where he’s not […] It wouldn’t be inaccurate to assume that I couldn’t exactly not say that it is or isn’t almost partially incorrect.”

    • Or to keep an eye on him to make sure he doesn’t do any REAL growing up. Mitch must live in a bubble until he is 45…maybe 50. *rolls eyes* I hope Gordon never has kids.

  • timemonkey

    “Because then I’d get to lecture you without any interuptions”
    Nah, probably because he’s the nicest one there and he likes Mitch the best.

    • Keneu

      Maybe it has to do with Mitch being the person who incorporated late to the team?

    • stickfigurefairytales

      I’m putting in my vote for “he likes Mitch the best and finds him the least irritating.”

      • Keneu

        I can see how he could find Fluke’s optimism irritating, and it seems he doesn’t like Spooky that much, but what about Kyle or Amanda?

        • stickfigurefairytales

          Dunno. Maybe he feels like he doesn’t have that much in common with Kyle? I’m just brainstorming, really. As for Amanda, she’d definitely be my pick. Well, either her or Spooky.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Also, the best idea I can think of for not choosing Amanda is to have her be the one looking for you, because I’m pretty sure she’d be great at that too. (Although this raises an interesting question of whether or not the team members who aren’t stranded on the island still have their powers – if they do, I would think that Mitch’s would really come in handy in a search.)

          • Keneu

            That’s true, if we think about it from an outside perspective. Even if they don’t have their powers, they still are trained to do search and rescue.

          • I like that reason for not choosing Amanda. And you’d be right. 🙂

          • Michael

            Kyle’s too much of a free agent, I think he won’t bend to authority as quickly as Mitch.

            Even though we’ve just seen that Mitch is capable and willing to bend the laws if it helps people, he’s still more likely, in a desperate situation, to be all ‘yes sir’ and obeying orders than the other two.

            Remember how he wanted to be down in the fight against Ani and PP, but obeyed orders to be the “eyes in the sky” away from danger. He obeyed despite his instincts/desired, because he could see that it was important, and he respect authority.

          • Tyler Griffin

            I could guess that since Kyle and Fluke are still minors at this point, he wouldn’t be able to view them as “companions,” he’d feel like their guardian still, yet they are old enough and mature enough to be able (and more than willing) to think for themselves and argue. Mitch on the other hand, is young enough to take the directions and follow Gordon’s lead with a minimum of back and forthing. In this scenario Gordon’s general authoritarian attitude and demeanor could be really beneficial to survivability odds, but only so long as he is stranded with someone who won’t argue with him over every single step they take..

      • Fabulous Alien

        I think this might be the reason. I believe Kyle, Spooky and Paul annoy Gordon just enough all the time. And I don’t think his relationship with Amanda includes lots of laughs and carefree good times.

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Well sure… he doesn’t know Mitch is GAY yet………….

      • Tyler Griffin

        Anyone want to bet that when he DOES find out, he blames Kyle for “making” him that way?

        • Chris Dangerfield

          That would be a really AWESOME super power…

          • Tyler Griffin

            Mitch (In Adam West Batman Era Robin Voice): “But, Amanda, how are we going to stop Heternormative Man? His overabundance of offensive testosterone driven cliches make him invulnerable to plot and character development?!”

            Amanda: “We shall release our secret weapon, GayDar. With his ability to sense all self-loathing, repressed sexual desires and force his victims to act on and normalize them, he shall convert our offensive foe into a productive member of the community.”

          • timemonkey

            My sister has it. She says it bites. XD

        • Fabulous Alien

          It wouldn’t surprise me at all if he did that, but I just actually cringed picturing it. *shudders*

          • Michael

            I reflexively punched the air in anticipation.

            Not a celebratory punch, a nose-breaky punch.

        • stickfigurefairytales

          I really, REALLY hope he doesn’t. Actually, I’d love to see Gordon finding out that Mitch is gay as a moment of revelation for him, realizing that the things he’s said probably hurt Mitch pretty badly without even knowing it.

          • Michael

            Although I don’t know if it’s in Gordon’s character to actually apologise out loud. it would be a nice moment of tenderness, but I just don’t think he’s strong enough to admit to others when he’s fucked up.

            Maybe that’s a factor in why he’s on a team of rejects, and not a “proper” adult team.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            There’s always hope for personal growth, though!

          • Michael

            True, there is.

            Look everybody, I have an avatar-picture now!

          • Michael

            (If anybody is wondering, it’s that Facebook “equality” sign from a few years (?) back, turned into a cake. Because I’m asexual, and also it’s an equality cake that we can all have a slice of.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Nice. Good Avatar…

          • Michael

            Thanks 🙂 I tried to add a candle for every letter of the QUILTBAG, plus a H. All-inclusive.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Yay!

          • I doubt it. I don’t think Gordon has even the emotional range of a teaspoon. I really don’t see Tsu-Tsu having having a change of heart over that issue just because Mitch likes guys.

      • timemonkey

        I’m still wondering if he’s gay or bi or one of the other options. We never got clarification because a couple of super powered jerks had to knock everyone unconscious.

        • Chris Dangerfield

          You’re right. Mitch is young, so his understanding of his sexual self may grow and change over time, but he’s pretty specific on this page with Kyle… and that’s all we have to go with at this point.

          http://webcomics.yaoi911.com/typ/ete-ch3-page-85/

          • timemonkey

            Yeah, we have confirmation of liking guys but that pretty much just rules out hetero. So many other flavors he could be.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            True. I was just thinking that it takes time to figure all that out. It often comes in stages, over time. You’re right, we’ll just have to see.

    • Madock345

      I think you dropped this: /s

      • timemonkey

        Dropped what?

  • Cydney Sabin

    With my con going on, I almost forgot about update day! AAAAAHHH!!

    • stickfigurefairytales

      How is the con? Are you having fun?

      • Cydney Sabin

        Most definitely. And I get to bring in my boyfriend tomorrow ;D

        • Chris Dangerfield

          That’s the BEST kind of con. ENJOY!

      • Cydney Sabin

        I did! Christopher Mihm and Voltaire were amazing!!

  • Saxon_Brenton

    It occurs to me that next page (or two) we’ll get the explanation of *why* Tsunami would make that choice. Hopefully we’ll get insight into his headspace and maybe why he’s so lacking in people skills. And then we’ll get Tsunami’s question to Fluke, which being a pro-active rather and a re-active interaction may (or may not) give similar insight from another direction.

  • Fabulous Alien

    My love of Mitch just grew a couple of notches. “At least I think it’s OK to have some stuff that’s private”… Hells yeah!

    • Eve

      But in the context of a curse, it’s not okay. The reveal has to be big enough to negate the curse, right? I’m not sure I see where this is going to reveal a secret that devastating to Gordon.

      Of course, that’s usually where the big surprises come into play, so I’m looking forward to it!

      • Chris Dangerfield

        Truth that. But maybe the second half of the question from Mitch to Gordon is, “WHY?”… da DA DUMMMMMM!

      • Fabulous Alien

        You are right. Gordon HAS to reveal something he wouldn’t otherwise say to the rest of the team, and maybe a follow-up question will make Gordon say enough to save himself from the curse.
        In any case, I was expressing my admiration of Mitch’s bravery. Not only did he ask Gordon a question right after that debacle, but then he threw that perfect line… The kid didn’t shy away or go the easy route of asking Fluke. He faced the person who had yelled at him and said horrible things, and that takes a lot of courage. Kind of like fighting crime in your spare time, now that I think of it…

        • Eve

          I agree the question and response fits in so well with Mitch’s character. He’s quietly brave and kind, which really shows in the way he rescued people without engaging in big, flashy fights.

        • moneyfields19

          When did Gordon ever say “horrible things” to Mitch?

          All he did was tell Mitch that what he was doing was unwise and dangerous.
          Which is true.

          • Fabulous Alien

            True and horrible are not mutually exclusive concepts…

            Like my grandma used to say, sometimes the difference between being nice and being horrible is in how you say things. Gordon’s questions imply quite heavily that Mitch doesn’t care about his safety and that of others, to the point of having hurt people. Even after Mitch says he’s being careful, Gordon’s first reaction is to doubt that. In page 16, Amanda mentions the possibility, almost certainty, that someone will get hurt because Mitch has not received the proper training. Personally, when I compare both reactions, yeah, Gordon’s is pretty horrible.

            The worst part, though, is when Kyle says he understands Mitch’s need to use his powers for good and help people and Gordon says “I don’t”. That’s an astounding lack of empathy, especially when compared (again) with Amanda’s reaction on page 16. “I don’t understand why you want to help people” ranks pretty high in my horrible-meter.

            Now, I am old enough to realize that Gordon’s knee-jerk reaction probably shows his protective, impulsive nature, and that it doesn’t necessarily mean that he is an evil, mean-spirited person, but one of the risks of being impulsive and not thinking about what you say before you say it is that people might think you are just… horrible.

            Anyway, thank you for that question and comment. It forced me to think a little bit more about stuff that’s been in my mind, and to at least try to make my thoughts clearer.

          • moneyfields19

            “Gordon’s first reaction is to doubt that”
            As he should.

            Mitch does not even remotely have the right training for what he’s been doing.
            Him “being careful” isn’t enough, and shouldn’t be enough, to sooth anyone’s mind.

            “Gordon’s questions imply quite heavily that Mitch doesn’t care about his safety and that of others”

            Now that’s a little far fetched.
            Gordon may have been harsh, but I doubt he actually thinks Mitch has no regard for the safety of others.

  • Stubbylegs

    It’s going to be one of those mushy stories where something somehow ends up in my eye.

    • Michael

      If this question doesn’t end up with a manly one-armed-hug-and-hair-mussing, I will be greatly disappointed.

      • Keneu

        But Gordon doesn’t have that much hair for Mitch to muss.

        • Michael

          It’s always the older and bigger who does the hair-mussing, don’t you have older brothers/cousins, or a father/uncle?

          • Tyler Griffin

            You must not read the same fanfictions we do. Role reversal is a fun exploit

          • Michael

            I mostly read Harry-Potter-has-a-freakin’-backbone-for-once fics, in which people aren’t idiots and also stand up for their legal and moral rights.

          • Yes, I really love the one’s where Harry stops putting up with people’s Sh*t. Though for some odd *giggle* reason, a lot of those have Dumbledore bashing…..I wonder why?

          • Michael

            *deadpan* some mysteries may never be solved.

          • Michael

            BTW, have you read “Poison Pen”? Easily one of the best fanfics available. 30-odd chapters, but very much worth it.

          • I don’t think so, but I will look into it. ^_^

          • Michael

            It’s by GenkaiFan, and if you enjoy stories where the wizarding world as a whole gets thoroughly bitchslapped by its own rules, you’ll love this. I won’t give away too much, but it involves royal decrees and the Magna Carta.

          • EyeDontNo

            is that available on fanfiction.net?
            -Another Potter Fanfic Fan

          • Michael
          • EyeDontNo

            You’re right… It is good. My only concern is how they made ‘natural occulemcy’ sound like ‘split personality’. But briliant story.

          • Michael

            True, it’s not perfect, but definitely among the best fanfics around.

          • YES

          • Keneu

            Being the youngest in my family, I never liked the “older people do something to younger people because they’re older” very much. Sometimes it’s good to have roles reversed.

          • Keneu

            No, none at all. Don’t worry.

    • Chris Dangerfield

      I hate it when dust gets in my eye when I’m reading. LOL.

  • Mary Klemzak

    Oh it won’t be for a sexy reason, that’s for sure. Probably to be a domineering jerk and teach him a thing or two about being a hero and protector. Including how NOT to get yourself killed while doing freelance.

    • Dex X.

      Haha yeah, for some reason I had a feeling this page would be followed by “…so I can beat your ass for freelancing you freakin idiot!”

  • I’m loving this page.

    Awesome to see that Mitch asks Gordon, and does it after what just happened. He could have asked Paul instead, but I hoped he wouldn’t. It kinda seemed against the spirit and personality he’s showed so far. Almost like he’d have backed down.
    Good question, but I don’t think he’d expected that answer. I can’t wait to get Gordon’s reason. Have the feeling (some of) it could be that strong personality we just saw. I think next page will be a good one.

  • Chris Dangerfield

    Oh that is a good twisty flip whacky page turn. Good job Alex and Julie.

    Honestly, one of the things I love most about this comic is that it continually surprises me. Not only Mitch’s gentle question. That makes sense. Even though Mitch is upset with Gordon, he doesn’t want to hurt him. THAT makes sense in relation to a guy so generous of spirit that he NEEDS to go out at night and help those less fortunate.

    However, even when we’re mad at Gordon, I think many of us sense that he’s got a good heart. Regardless of whatever personal battles he is fighting. I hope this admission satisfies the harrowing rules of the curse. It doesn’t seem that personal or unexpected, but it DOES feel sincere.

    This page is lovely. Not a cliffhanger in the harsh way, but one in the sweet way. One that makes us really want to know what gets said next.

    Thank you so much AW and Julie. This continues to be a lovely character exploration and I’m enjoying it immensely.

    • Michael

      “Oh that is a good twisty flip whacky page turn.”

      That’s a good point; I hope that if this gets printed in the books, that this page is on the verso.

    • You’re very welcome, Chris! I’m so glad you’re enjoying the ride! 🙂

  • Madock345

    Well I didn’t see that one coming.

    For reference, my answer would have been “The Commander, because by nightfall she’d have us a fully functional shelter with a fire, food, water, and most of a raft built.”

    • Michael

      I would have said Spooky, because even without magic he still has his nifty potions and such.

      Plus, sunset on the beach, on a tropical island, with Spooky…

      • Chris Dangerfield

        Yeahhhhhhh……

      • Madock345

        aaaand now we’re back to Mitch again…

        • Michael

          Hmm, good point. Spooky would be more fun, though, no matter how cute Mitch might be to cuddle up to on cold nights.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            See?

          • But Spooky is a champion cuddler!!

          • Michael

            My point, Admiral Jane. Admiral, my point. I believe you have met. 😉

        • Chris Dangerfield

          nope… all roads lead to Spooky. Fact.

          • Zachary Lucido

            No. As a pessimist, I believe all roads lead to hell (Kyle).

          • Chris Dangerfield

            HA! Well, actually Spooky’s been to hell and got that t-shirt… and then again so has Kyle, but he was naked and chained up. So NO t-shirt.

            So I still say all roads lead Spooky to Kyle and vice versa. OTP baby!!! 🙂

          • Nate

            If memory serves, the Spookling was also shirtless when he escaped from Hell. So, no T-shirt for him, either. 😉

          • Chris Dangerfield

            HA! No Hell underpants either…

      • I think Spooky would have driven Gordon bunkers within a few days xD

        • Michael

          I meant for myself*, not for Gordon.

          *or Kyle or Mitch or Amanda, I suppose

    • Chris Dangerfield

      HA. true that.

    • Fabulous Alien

      Yes to this! Amanda would be the most competent and “useful” to have around, if powers are not part of the equation. And a sunset on the beach with her doesn’t feel all that bad either…

      • I agree on the competent and useful, but also probably the most awkward.
        There’s bath time, maybe having to sleep close.. and there’s that whole thing with a monthly lady-time. I really hope I never get to experience being stuck somewhere deserted. As romantic as it could feel, on a short term, there’s just times where I’d want more privacy than might be safe, if I was stuck on an island alone with a guy >.>

        • Fabulous Alien

          I don’t know, I think she would be totally matter-of-fact about bathing, sleeping close, monthly lady-times, and any other potential awkward moments. (Although maybe you meant it would be awkward for Gordon, in which case, yes, it totally would, but I gather that many things would be awkward for Gordon.) Plus, being stranded with her, you would be on your way out of that deserted island in no time. 🙂

          • Yes, I meant awkward for Gordon, since it’s who he’d choose. Not sure how Amanda would feel about it, but having practized and trained with SEAL for almost a year, I think she’s probably beyond such issues now (and if asked, her answer would be Spooky and Gordon knows that).
            If not for Mitch, I can see the reason he wouldn’t pick her first. Though, if Mitch hadn’t been an option (and the honest answer), I wonder if could look side that awkwardness and would pick her anyway.

    • This is true. 🙂

  • Kisa ‘Yuki’ Johnson

    I can’t wait until we get back to the normal story..

    • Michael

      🙁 why not? It’s good to have a non-stressful intermission every now and then, to get to know the characters outside of life-or-death end-of-the-world situations.

      • Chris Dangerfield

        Hear hear…

        • Tyler Griffin

          Well, I’m enjoying the intermission (And especially the Artwork, we need to figure out a way to fuse Adam and Julie into one giant super art machine. But I am also itching to see where we pick up again

          • stickfigurefairytales

            But we’ll start back up in extreme peril! I enjoy (comparative) downtime a lot more.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Hear hear hear!

          • Zachary Lucido

            Human sketchipede.

      • Kisa ‘Yuki’ Johnson

        I dunno, this just feels like it’s taking a long time and I want to get back to the real story. There was more suspense and I anticipated those pages more than I find myself anticipating these.

    • David Welbourn

      Okay, Gordon, suppose the five of us are stranded in a clearing, and none of us have our powers, and supervillians are planning to kill us but they’re going to let us say some last words first. What will you say?

      • Tyler Griffin

        “It’s Kyle’s fault for being a Gay Demon Prince and Mitch would have been able to dodge if he weren’t over exhausted from extra curricular heroics!!!!!!!!!!!”

  • Alt+F7

    Tsunami came prepared to be angry, those tattoos above his eyes are like a second set of bigger, angrier eye-brows and I love it.

    • Madock345

      Can… Never… Unsee…

      WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!?

      • Tyler Griffin

        The question is, is it accidental or design *Gives Alex “The Office” camera stare*

    • EyeDontNo

      “These are Attack Eyebrows!”

    • Michael

      They’re traditional Maori tattoos, they’re supposed to make warriors who earn them (yes, earn. Tattoos in Maori culture are a status symbol relating to accomplishments and becoming a man) look more fierce and warriorly.

      • Alt+F7

        Yes, they certainly look like a moko, but I thought he was Samoan or from another Pacific Island

        • Alex has confirmed that Gordon is Maori American

          • Alt+F7

            Oh, thanks!

          • You’re welcome!!

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Nice.

          • Yup! 🙂

          • Keneu

            I thought he was Samoan-American, but with Maori tatoos?

          • Alex mentioned that at first he thought of having Tsunami as Samoan-American.

      • Columbine

        Damn have you seen the traditional tattooing instruments the Maori used? Definitely takes courage to let someone take one of those to your face.

    • Danny

      “Eyebrow set to stun, Mr. Tsu.”

    • purplefoxglove

      We once had a cat whose fur pattern made him look permanently angry…

      Yes, I’m still seeing cats everywhere in this comic 😉

  • Danny

    Has anyone been keeping track of which characters refer to their teammates by their first names vs their hero names? I think it might be interesting and possibly reveal their relationships to each other. (With the exception of Spooky, whose personal name is his hero name.)

    Also, note how Mitch just switched from “Tsunami” to “Gordon” on this page. I can’t help but wonder why?

    • Megan Staples

      Because people can say a person’s first name and last name in the same sentence and not feel weird.

    • Tyler Griffin

      Given the exchange they just had, I personally would very likely drop the use of a first/real name in favor of a title or moniker the same way. It’s very blatant step from casual and intimate (family like) atmosphere to dealing with someone in a very formal (colder) manor. It very, VERY clearly lets the person know they have offended you, or at the very least, THEY personally have ruined the fellowship atmosphere.

      • Danny

        Perhaps it’s just me, but it seems odd that Mitch uses Gordon’s hero name first and then switches to his personal name when asking the question.

        • That Guy

          I don’t, here’s why.
          Calling him Tsunami may have been the first way he learned to refer to this person, and as they worked together he got more and more comfortable using the name. Using a name that takes more effort on your part sends a message, same as switching to using a title. It’s like when your parents would call you by first, middle, and last name. More effort = less happy with you.

          • Danny

            Okay, I can see it now. Good point.

  • Tyler Griffin

    Why is Discus suddenly opening my notifications in a separate tab? I don’t WANT them in a seperate ta. I want them in the sidebar thingie where they’ve ALWAYS been.

    • Gremlins. It’s always gremlins. Someone forgot and fed them after midnight. Which really is a ridiculous rule since it’s always after midnight somewhere.

      So yeah, Gremlins.

    • It’s happened to me a few times in the last month. It usually sort itself out. Clearly a Disqus gremlin on the loose. If it continues in the long time, try to log off, clear your cache and log on again. That one worked for me one of the times where it didn’t seem to stop doing it after a short time.

      • zunden

        I misread, “a Disqus gremlin” as “Disqus is a gremlin,” and was temporarily highly amused by imagining a little gremlin, arms full of posts, tacking them up in all the wrong places with a small, sparkly, pink hammer, then cackling maniacally and running off to mismanage other conversations.

    • Tyler Griffin

      OK, now it seems to be behaving again.

    • Audrey Brinkley

      Happy Pride, Tyler!

      • Tyler Griffin

        Thank you

  • Danny

    Another thing: Gordon seems to be doing some defensive posturing in Panel 4. I think Mitch’s comment in Panel 3 hit home.

    • Michael

      As it should!

      I know it wouldn’t be enough to make him reconsider his attitude/behaviour, but it casts doubt in his subconscious, so that’s enough.

    • Tyler Griffin

      I noticed that too. Or at the very least, Gordon did not expect to get flack back from Mitch himself.

  • TwilightDreamer

    lol, you go Mitch! Way to handle it :)…..seriously Tsunami, he got it already, now back up! >:s
    Interesting….I want to see Tsunamis reason for picking Mitch 🙂

    • EyeDontNo

      I’m waiting for Tsu to finish next page “Fluke.” Just knowing the twist that come with any part of this experience. 🙂

      • TwilightDreamer

        🙂

  • Honestly. Had Gordon picked Spooky you could have knocked me over with a feather. Even before I read the answer, I knew it would be Amanda or Mitch.

    Gordon and Spooky SO don’t match personality-wise, and I still think Big G has some issues with the way Spooky is and what he does (I’ve theorized on earlier pages). Kyle was an instant no too. This is going on a month before the prologue, and we already know that Kyle is considered a little .. ‘fragile’ by the others. You wouldn’t pick someone you feel that about.
    Paul. I believe he’s out as a choice, because he seems the one who’ll argue most against Gordon. I can see how they’d clash too much after a while. In some ways, Paul’s actually the one who comes the closest to him in personality, and can’t have two of them around alone for a longer time without fighting.

    That leaves Mitch and Amanda. Why not Amanda? Not completely sure, and the first reasons I can come up with kinda speaks a little negative against him while it’s also somewhat understandible… if you look at it from his POV.
    My #1 reason: Amanda is a woman. You could say that really shouldn’t matter, but being alone on an island with a woman who’s not more than a friend, and some things might come to be ‘awkward’. Even if they were bf/gf there’s times it would be harder if it was with Amanda, since they’d have to keep an eye on each other.
    It could also be personality, and Amanda actually being stronger than him in ways, but honestly I lean towards the woman reason. Had Amanda been a guy it would have been different.

    Now, these are the logical sides of his choice, and why I’d have ended up saying Mitch if we hadn’t gotten an answer already. There’s of course the personal/emotional side to it, and I look forward to seeing some of that, and what, on next page 🙂

    • Derkins

      With Amanda I was actually think it would be a clash of authority. She is the only one whose voice trumps his, and as authoritarian as he is, I bet that secretly drives him nuts. Just look at their little standoff that just happened. Deep down, I think part of the reason he wants Mitch, and specifically not Paul/Spooky/Amanda (Kyle is different, as you said), is that he is one that can’t get away with challenging his authority. Gordon would have the run of the roost. And I think the big/little brother dynamic probably plays into that.

  • I have a sneaking suspicion that Mitch’s question won’t satisfy the curse. It needs to be something Tsunami doesn’t want anyone to know. That question struck me as way too tame.

    • Tyler Griffin

      I don’t know that the question itself was too tame but it is definitely one that is easy to give a fluff answer too and therefore not fullfill the curse, I bet Gordon tries to dodge and gets called out.

    • Alann Scharich

      He hasn’t gotten to the “why” half of the question yet XD

      • Fair point, but Mitch did not ask why and I suspect Gordon might give only what is required. We shall see soon enough.

        • EyeDontNo

          “and why” was the last part of Mitch’s question in panel 4. And if it involves Tsu’s backstory -his reason for being on a RESCUE team- then I think it will more than satisfy the curse (and leave us readers wanting more!).

          • So it is. I need to have my glasses checked to have missed that. I find it amusing that “Eye” DontNo pointed it out to me, thanks! I appreciate it.

  • i wasn’t the only one who snorted out loud at that last panel, was i?

    also i had wanted to comment on the last time spooks and kyle were seen: how spookster was still macking on flame boy just as casually, with his hand on kyle’s neck still

    no concern in the world as he was bemusédly-observing the haps with mitch

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Well I know we don’t SEE Spooky’s hand on Kyle’s neck on this page, but in my head… IT. IS. THERE! (That is all). 🙂

      • purplefoxglove

        Really!? In my mind, it has long since started to wander 😉

  • Alann Scharich

    All through this filler scene I have been starting to ship these two and now it’s officially confirmed: I ship them.

    • Madock345

      Ew

    • Columbine

      Perhaps in a few more years? For me I think Gordon sees Mitch as too young at the moment, and Gordon has some growing up to do.

      • zunden

        I love that Mitch is too young, but it’s Gordon who needs to grow up. XD

    • Derkins

      i wouldn’t wish that on Mitch. >.>

  • Question: Is anyone else suddently getting a pop-up window, asking if you want to subscribe to TYP?

    It just started when I opened TYP for this camp/page, and it’s only happening on this site (so far). I was wondering if my computer updating last night un-blocked something – or something like that. I first thought malware, but since it’s only this site that doesn’t seem to be the answer.

    • Danny

      Yes! I’m not sure where that came from either, but my anti-virus software isn’t flagging it as a threat, so maybe it’s just a site update?

      • Same here, with no alerts. It just pops up every time you switch page or refresh. I asked Alex if it was on purpose. I’ll wait and see what his answer is when he gets around to checking.

        • Danny

          Good idea. Would you mind posting on here what it is? I’m curious.

          • I’ll let you know when I get the answer.

          • Danny

            Thanks!

          • Answer: No need to worry, it’s just Alex experimenting with things on the site 🙂

          • bronakopdin

            thanks ^^ and I even commented on this thing above, too, but now I know 🙂

          • Saxon_Brenton

            Yes indeed. Thank you, Danish.

        • Michael

          I thought it was related to Disqus, but my Firefox handy-dandy Element Inspector says it’s part of the page itself, so maybe Alex &co. are rolling out a new RSS system?

        • davefragments

          It showed up on my phone

    • It’s there each time I open this page.

    • That Guy

      I’m getting it multiple times on the same page. Rather irritating.

      • When you say you’re getting it multiple times on the same page, do you mean after you refresh the page? Or is it coming up repeatedly without refreshing or re-opening the page?

        Right now I have it set so that it should only come up once after you close it for the most current page. For my desktop version of Chrome, this seems to work perfectly. But I noticed that Chrome on iPhone didn’t seem to respect that setting.

        What are you using to browse this page?

  • Dave Nguyen

    Oh god, you’re gonna make us cry, aren’t you.

    • jreed3842

      That’s exactly what I was thinking!!

  • Steel_Man

    Dude you must be raking in the cash on this thing. It’s been going on for three years and it’s not even half way finished.

    • Alex actually addresses this kind of question as part of the Patreon part in the FAQ http://webcomics.yaoi911.com/faq/ (can be found above the page). Here’s some of what he say about getting rich from the comic:

      “Alas, no. My artists are working professionals and I pay them a professional rate for their excellent work. The art costs for just the regular production pages of this webcomic are close to $3000/month. Also, remember that, Patreon fees + credit card fees take 10% right off the top. And, of course, there are taxes, just like for any other income. I can officially say I’m making my living as a writer, but the support just barely covers my living expenses here as a grown-up in the Bay Area who has grown-up responsibilities. It’s not enough for me to apply to savings or pay off the debt I incurred before I started the Patreon Page. (Not yet, anyway.)”

      • I forgot, and can add to that, that Alex previously has been using the money he got from his daytime job + his savings account to help pay off Adam and Vero. The donation bar only helped do that, and when he switched to patreon there wasn’t a profit in it until he passed $7000 a month in support.

      • Steel_Man

        Cool. I don’t follow the Patreon thing so thanks .

    • Derkins

      amazing talent shouldn’t actually have to work for free, or less than minimum wage, simply because they’re doing creative work. unfortunately that’s what often happens, and that’s what our culture often expects. I don’t really get why someone might find offense when an incredible artist or writer, putting out free content on the web, might potentially support their lifestyle on such project. Especially when they are putting in full time hours in so many cases, and aren’t otherwise able to have a job to keep on the lights, or put food on the table. When they had to go to college and take out students loans simply to acquire the level of skill that they have in their field. I don’t mean to say that you were expressing offense, and maybe I’m being defensive, as someone who has actually been to art school (heh). But! Yeah, no. It’s actually incredibly selfless what most creative professionals (such as those working on this comic) are doing in order to provide us all access to their rare and incredible work — which is itself no small feat to produce.

      • Steel_Man

        Easy man. No one’s dissing anybody. Just saying.

        • Derkins

          I mean my response respectfully, which is why I made a feeble disclaimer. But. I also mean my response very sincerely. Comic artists generally live humble lives, and free access to their work is a gift. And like anyone else who has fine tuned their craft — they should be able to make a living on it. That is all I meant to say. Truly sorry if it came off aggressive.

          • Steel_Man

            I didn’t mean my comment to be aggressive either. No harm no foul on either side. 🙂

  • EyeDontNo

    It seems to me that most of the commentators are over thinking the question. There are many thoughtful and intriguing lines of thought of who Gordon would pick and why, but think about this…
    He knew the answer before the question was asked. Gordon gave an almost instant answer. No thinking about it, no logical line of reasoning, just an immediate response.
    I’m thinking that he did this because he’s already contemplated grabbing one of the team members and running away to a safe spot to protect them. (We’re presuming he means Mitch, but I’m hoping for a name on the next page to redirect our thoughts. 🙂 ) He has an ingrained thought process that says Rescue and Protect. This has come out as over-protectiveness to the rest of the team, but he already knows in his heart who on the team needs to be protected, and possibly rescued from the rest of the team’s dangerous behaviors. (I know, I’m projecting again!)
    Remember, TYP, Its Complicated. I’m looking forward to our writers destroying my “logic”. Its the best entertainment I get for the money.

    • I’m glad you picked up that this was an immediate response. I think Julie did a good job making that clear. 🙂

  • Answer from Alex about the new pop-up subscribe window.

    It’s legit. He’s just experimenting a little.

  • Aitsuki

    He asked you WHY as well, Gordon. Don’t leave him hanging.

  • Because I’m a bonehead, I forgot to mention this in my note under the page (just added.)

    Adam DeKraker is actually going to be at Flame Con in Brooklyn, NY today. He’ll have both Artifice graphic novels along with a handful of advance copies of The Young Protectors Volume One. Look for him at Table 50 and be sure to say hi!

    Now I can go back to bed. 😉

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Sheeeeesh… I jerk awake in the middle of the night convinced that I’ve left the garage door open… with Alex, it’s lurching up, snapping the computer on as he suddenly realizes he forgot to inform us all about Flame Con and Adam! Clearly he has a much sexier to-do list than I do. LOL.

  • Cman65

    Big brother much???????????????????

  • Saxon_Brenton

    I find myself amused by the qualifier ‘some’ in Flyboy’s comment in panel 3 “At least I think it’s OK to have some stuff that’s private”. And not so much because it’s a great piece of pointed snark.

    Flyboy is a busybody. Maybe that’s a busybody by necessity, since it’s implied several times that everybody else overlooks him because of his age. But still, he sneaks looks at their internet records. And more broadly, there’s a mismatch between his declaration in chap.3 that he’s “not that guy” about disobeying orders, and his confession here that he’s repeatedly broke his promise to Commander about no extramural crime fighting.

    So on the one hand, the ‘voice acting’ of the scene reads best if Flyboy is speaking off-the-cuff and using the ‘some’ as hyperbole to mean he doesn’t pry at all (kind of like the way it’s common to misuse the word ‘literally’). But on the other hand, from what we know about Flyboy, having him assure you that he’s going to let you keep your secrets should have you worrying: which ones?

    • Chris Dangerfield

      I enjoy your observations about Mitch’s dichotomies of opinion regarding his actions. I must say I chalked such things up to being quintessentially 15 years old.

      I remember holding tight to wildly divergent opinions and being able to hold on to very opposite viewpoints with great strength of will and seeing nothing at all ironic in that. (For example: I DID sneak out at night with friends — convinced my parents knew nothing — and at the same time considered myself a very honest and good kid.)

      So, only AW could say for sure, but I suspect Mitch considers himself right in doing what he has to, but willing to fight tooth and nail not to “be stopped” by ‘adults’ with (in his opinion) misinformed judgement.

      Many of us ‘old people’ will have different viewpoints now, but if we cast back to 15, it might be possible remember believing two or more diametrically opposed viewpoints with all our hearts and souls.

      • Michael

        I believe Keats called that “negative capability”, and considered it important for a full understanding of Romantic poetry.

        “capable of being in uncertainties, mysteries, doubts, without any irritable reaching after fact and reason”

        Or as my university lecturer explained it, being able to hold opposing viewpoints without needing to reconcile them.

    • Keneu

      Flyboy’s superhearing can also make him listen to conversations that weren’t intended for him to hear.

  • bronakopdin

    I see a subscribing function there 🙂 probably convenient for all the readers who can’t use patreon! I’d totally have subscribed if I didn’t already get 4 mails from the patreon posts each page xD
    (I’m not complaining of course, it IS convenient but alas I don’t need an extra reminder ^^)

    Now THAT is interesting Gordon, I did not see that coming! Though You still have to tell us WHY dude 😀
    and holy I love the snarky way of Mitch that “HE” believes in things that should stay private xD somehow this is like your typical teen talk to your parents!
    I’m loving it! ^^

    And again I wish I was in the US to attend these awesome cons… one day…

    • I cross my fingers for you making a con. I’m in the same boat, being a European, and it’s hard making it to one.

      • bronakopdin

        aw thanks 🙂 I mean in fact we do have cons here in Germany but I never have the money to travel and stay at the places with cons… apart from the tickets anyway :sigh:

  • Columbine

    Curious about what the ‘hard questions’ Mitch though of were.

    • “How long has the abnormally large stick been up your bum and who put it there?”

      • Columbine

        DID THEY USE ENOUGH LUBE?! (sorry not sorry)

    • Terri Sutton

      The mature question; “What are your opinions on a homosexual on the team, hypothetically speaking?”

      The immature question; “What crawled up your arse and died?” or “Why are you such a arsehole?”

      • Columbine

        I’d have liked to have seen the mature question but would it have been enough to shift the curse? I get the impression it’s not an opinion Tsu’s kept secret…..

        The reason why he’s an arsehole on the other hand may involve massive secrets, amnesia, repressed memories, National Security issues and slow loris. Tsu has learnt the hard way to never trust the slow loris.

  • davefragments

    Exciting evening (HAH! consider that sarcasm). . . My electric was off from about 6:45pm Friday until 4:30am Saturday. So I missed camping. There was NOTHING to do but wait it out with some groovy little LED lights.
    Not too far from my house in my township (about 3 miles and about 6 miles) a thunderstorm must have knocked two branches or two trees onto the power lines. Western PA suffered worse than me because some people still don’t. But my suffering was EPIC thanks to Tinker-Toy Electric. (you didn’t really believe that last line did you?)

    On Page 17 – – I thought on the last page after Tsunami was so put out and angry that something unexpected was going to happen and I think he’s paternalistic. I don’t know why but he cares for the kid like a little brother.
    Gordon’s “Why” is going to be interesting (to say the least about it).

    And Gordon still has that perpetually angry look in his eyes.

    • Derkins

      Never-mind the air of superiority. Panel 2 makes me wanna slap ‘im. 😉

      I’m also expecting him to be voicing some brotherly attachments to Mitch. But I’m also kind of expecting Mitch to find them pretty unwelcome, considering how he gets treated. He never seems to appreciate being sheltered and put into a box, when Tsunami tries. Imagine that.

      Sort of a “that’s flattering, but no thanks. Not something I asked for. What I did ask for was to be treated as an equal. Cause I’m a big boy, darn it!” … or something like that. heh

      • davefragments

        I can see that.

  • Wildroses

    Geez Mitch, how oblivious can you get? Of course it’s you. I knew that even before he asked the question. Hell, I strongly suspected it before we had the last few pages! Tsunami’s desperation to protect Mitch from the terrible sight of guy on guy porn was my first clue, and I distinctly got the impression part of the reason Gordon was so angry about the fallout of Kyle being gay was because Mitch had been exposed to sexual issues when he was barely fifteen.

    • Terri Sutton

      Who would be upset by the fact that a 15 yr old knows about sex or sees porn!?

      Although as typing that I came to the realisation that I could be biased by the dual fact that I am from a more permissive country than the US of A and even by the standards of my country my family was fairly permissive.

      • Wildroses

        Somebody overprotective with paternal instincts who doesn’t want to admit their sweet little baby is going to grow up and be an adult one day, much less that this process has already started.

      • Phyre Storm

        Tsunami, because he’s forgotten what it’s like to be 15 in only 5 years. Also, he’s a jackass.

      • Derkins

        I actually believe it’s actively harmful to shield teens from sex. It’s a world they’re entering, and they need to start understanding their feelings and bodies. If you prevent that opportunity, they are very likely lead into adulthood inhibited and confused.

      • I’m with Derkins regarding shielding teens from sex. The biggest problem in the US is that we don’t talk to teens about it (actually we don’t really talk about sex period). We especially don’t talk to them about porn, which is where I think the only problem comes in. Because we don’t talk about such things, teens begin to think that’s actually how sex is instead of it being viewed as fantasy.

  • Jeldenil

    That’s such a cute question. But I’m getting this dreadful feeling that Mitch somehow represents a little brother Gordon lost. Whatever it turns out to be, I can hardly wait to hear more about his backstory.

    My two cents on the pop-up window: I immediately click it away because it covers the content, and am not likely to fill it in.

    • My thinking behind the slide-in window is that it’s mostly for new folks who find my site for the first time, read through it, and really like the comic — so I give them a very obvious way to subscribe so they won’t forget about it. For folks like yourself, who are regular readers, I could see how it could still be useful, but I imagine you’re less likely to need the email updates to remember to check back. My thinking anyway.

      But on my computer screen, the slide-in it doesn’t cover up any content. It’s way off the the side, in the grey void. Now, granted, I’m using a desktop computer monitor. Could you let me know what you are using the view the pages? And what it’s covering up?

      Ideally, I’d want a way for folks to click it away and have it not show up for at least a month, but the plugin doesn’t currently offer that feature. But that’s definitely a feature request from me, because I know some of you like to refresh the page while camping. And I think seeing it pop up once on a page is plenty…

      • Jeldenil

        I’ll make a screenshot. I use an Acer laptop and Chrome. By the way, just mailed you some fan art 🙂

        • Hmm. You’re saying it actually covers the comic page? Hmm. It shouldn’t do that. It shouldn’t appear unless you’ve scrolled below the comic page. Odd…

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Yes, but for those of us who love the forum commentary and drop in often… it pops up every time we open the TYP page. It is big and and impossible to ignore without clicking it to close.

            I want everything possible to happen that can help new fans join this great story and fandom, but I agree that this particular popup that appears EVERY time I reopen the TYP page (and i do often) is oppressive.

            I’d suggest it’s not the best way to bring in new readers.

            If it could be limited to ‘one’ time, for new-comers and then not repeat… I’d think it had value… however EVERY time one opens TYP is too much.

            Just my opinion and hoping to help.

          • I hear you. Alas, there’s no “one time for newcomers” option. Take a look at my solution in my reply to Danish above and let me know if that at least offers some temporary relief.

          • Michael

            Could they implement some kind of local cookie that remembers when you click “no thanks”?

            Obviously not something you have personal control over, Alex, but maybe something for the plugin’s programmers to look at?

          • That’s exactly what I’m asking them to do. 🙂

            I do have *one* other idea that just occurred to me that might work, though… Stay tuned.

          • Actually, Chris, hold off from doing that… I’m going to try something tricky with this plugin….

          • OK. I’ve done something a little tricky. For the most current page, it should show up once and ONLY once. Once you click it away, it shouldn’t show up again on that page for at least 3 days. That should solve the most common “camping” and “new page frequen” commenter” use cases.

            So, it should pop up once more for you on this page and then shouldn’t bug you on this page again. Let me know if that’s what happens.

            In the meantime, I’m still going to submit a feature request for folks to “opt-out” of seeing the pop-ups altogether, since that would be the best solution, I think.

            Thanks, Chris!

            Alex

          • Chris Dangerfield

            HONESTLY… you do rock! Thanks.

          • Thank you for the feedback, Chris. The pop-up is doing a great job of making folks aware of the list (over 100 subscriptions in just a day), but if it’s in my power to make it less painful for my long-term readers, then I want to do that. 🙂

          • Michael

            Sounds like a good solution!

          • Tyler Griffin

            That… seems perfectly acceptable

      • I’m using a desktop monitor as well, and it covers some of the content for me too. Not much, because I have a wide screen, but the edge of things (not comments but the ads and other steady things you have to the right).
        I don’t mind the covering as much as finding it a little annoying that it shows up every time you switch a page, or refresh for some reason. It’s a pretty big pop-up and impossible to ignore. I’ve already had to close it 20+ times in the last couple hours, because I’ve come back to read replies and went looking at old pages.

        • Oh, and if I don’t click it away it does cover some of the page if I scroll back up to read it after window popped up.

          • I’m not surprised it’ll cover the comic page if you scroll back up without clicking it away, but I’d be concerned if it started out covering the page.

            And yep, it’s not ideal that it reappears every time you refresh. But I can’t say I’m surprised. “Camping” and constantly refreshing the same page is a relatively unusual way for folks to view a Web site unless they are trying to get tickets or something. I’m definitely going to ask the developers to come up with a way for folks to say “enough, please”, though — because I’m pretty sure they can do that.

            Why do I think that? Well, because I have a (somewhat lame) solution to your problem. If you fill out the form and click “Submit”, it’ll create a cookie (or at least, I assume it’s a cookie) and you won’t see the pop-up anymore. If you don’t want to be actually signed up for my page updates mailing list, then just don’t confirm the confirmation email you’ll then be sent. The plugin won’t know you didn’t confirm (so it’ll think you are subscribed and it’ll stop bugging you) and you won’t get any new emails from me, because you didn’t click the confirmation email.

            Not a great solution, but a temporary fix for now while I reach out to the developers to add a “Cut it out” checkbox or something. Something to try maybe.

          • Tyler Griffin

            hmmmm. what happens the next time I run my cleaner and it clears out the cookies?

          • Thank you. I’ll do the ‘fake’ signing up thing, because the 3-day non-show isn’t working for me. Still shows up every time I open the page.

      • Jeldenil

        I sent you the screenshots via the personal message system on your facebook page. I hope that’s alright.

        • Hmm. I can’t seem to find that. Maybe send it directly to me via email?

          • Jeldenil

            Okay 🙂 I’ll send them once I’m properly awake. (It’s early morning where I live)

          • Also, take a look at my response to Chris below. I think I might have come up with a solution that will hopefully make the fly-in more long-term reader friendly. 🙂

          • Jeldenil

            I see that you found my PM, and I have replied to your reply, haha 😀 Anyway, that seems like a fair solution. I’m going to try subscribing to keep it from re-appearing.

      • Michael

        I’m on a desktop using Firefox, and it appears in ‘the grey void’ as you described/planned. It isn’t a bother to me.

      • Terri Sutton

        I can understand why you would want to do this and I usually am not bothered by such things.

        But for me it is so large!

        That could be tied to the size of my computer screen which is a 6:10 or a 6:9 screen ratio.

  • Pikinanou

    *Grabs Mitch and holds him protectively* “To shelter you from the woooorrrlllldddd!” 😛

  • TwoWayStar

    -throws hands in the air- LMAO OKAY PLEASE EXPLAIN, THANKS.

  • jreed3842

    Ooooh! I can’t wait for the “Why” portion of this question.
    It’s gonna be some good info about Tsunami’s past, and probably a good explanation as to why he’s so protective of Mitch.
    I (like many others below me) am speculating that Mitch reminds Tsu of his younger brother or something.

    I am bracing myself because “sibling feels” are the strongest feels for me. Don’t make me cry, Alex. 😛

  • James Belnap

    This question doesn’t seem serious enough…

  • These last few pages has actually been somewhat amusing. So many comments about giving Mitch a hug, cute and adorable Mitch, young Mitch etc. and what else is said with reference to his look and young age.

    Had he been here, he would have disliked/hated most of it xD
    “Everyone acts like I’m this little kid, but I’m not”

    Yeah, as a barely/just turned 15 year old, he’d object SO much to all this cuddling and aww’ing over how adorable he is. Not what a teenager, trying to prove himself brave, mature and responsible, would like at all.

    Just can’t help it. He IS so sweet and cute *lol* The bane of his teenage life.

    • 🙂

    • Michael

      HA! Yes, he would hate all the attention and cheek-pinching and hair-mussing.

      But he’s just so cute…

    • Terri Sutton

      I don’t want to hug him or pinch his cheeks (either pair you gutter minded people). But then again I am a bit of a misanthrope who believes that all teenagers are either arseholes or secretly evil.

      • Pikinanou

        haha this made me laugh way more that it should 😛

    • Tyler Griffin

      I disagree. I believe that he would protest loudly and from the rooftops about how wrong we all are, then go running off to his room to giggle and blush and squee over it. You know, he’s at that age where he really WANTS to prove himself, but he does still thrive off of the petting.

      • I didn’t say anything about his private reaction. I said ‘Had he been here…’ Whether he’d feel different in private, who knows? Could very well be that he’d have those giggle moments 😉
        Somehow I think he likes to be flattered, like most people do, so he’d like the comments about his good looks and his talents. The comments about his cuteness in connection to age, wanting to just hug him when he defends his actions, got yelled at and such – those I think he’d dislike if he was here.

  • Kat Hedgecoth

    I’m interested in why Flipper would want to be stuck on an island with Mitch if they don’t have powers. Part of me thinks it’s because Flipper knows he can push Mitch around because Mitch is smaller, younger, and doesn’t like conflict, but that might be just because I’m annoyed with Flipper for the last few pages (hence the constant use of Flipper lol). I just get this overwhelming feeling that Gordon is nothing, but a big bully and is going to end up just like the “superheros” that chased down Duncan and Kyle in China if he ever gets on an adult team. Over the top, gungho, kill anyone that gets in the way just to get the bad guy.

    • Terri Sutton

      I personally don’t think that Tsu-Tsu is a bully, but I do think that he does have a very destructive need to control everything and everyone in his environment and that could take him down some very dark paths if he doesn’t seek to correct that and allow it to control him.

      • Kat Hedgecoth

        I didn’t think about it that way Terri, it might be from my own personal experience, but he just seems to get so mad and judgmental that it feels like he’s just a big jerk. What’s interesting is this personality seems to be in stark contrast to the Origin wallpaper we saw a few months back. Maybe I’m just taking his attitude too personally and not thinking about what could have caused such a happy kid to turn into such a controlling adult. He’s obviously worried about someone getting hurt, so maybe in his younger days he tried to do something that he wasn’t trained for and hurt someone himself? Hmmm you have me thinking about this differently and I’m not sure how I feel about that lol.

  • Sunfire

    Mitch is definitely the bigger person here with respect to privacy. At the same time, I feel he’s letting Gordon off a little toooo lightly for the sake of it. To prove the point so to say. I kinda think he wasted an opportunity here, just for the sake of being ‘better’ than Gordon. AND NOT BETTER IN A STUCK UP WAY!! I love Mitch ok? He’s awesome that he wants to have Gordy feel like answering a question. (Even though Gordy’d HAVE to anyway). It’s the ‘generalness’ of the question I’m pointing out at here, NOT THE CHARACTER HIMSELF!

    Even if you didn’t want to ask an invasive one, I feel one less…slumber-partyish would have been better. Like – “Do powers run in your family?”

    Of course, had it been ME asking, mine would would depend on where this is taking place. I forget if this is after the first Annie and Kyle stuff, or way before it. If it was in between the two main arcs, my question would be “Why are you so awkward with Kyle being gay?”

    If it’s not yet happened, I’d ask “Why are you REALLY so freaking flipped out about what Mitch does?”

    • This happens before the main arc by I believe a month. 🙂

  • Who would it be? – You (Mitch)

    Why? – So that you will be always near my sight so I can make sure you stay innocent and never grow up. Get you away from those evil computers. Keep you away from corruption and bad influences. You are not allowed to grow up OR think for yourself. That is my job.

    *everyone rolls eyes*

    • Tyler Griffin

      You sound like my paternal grandmother all of a sudden, lmao

    • Kat Hedgecoth

      Oh my god yes! I love this lol

  • Jen Roberts

    Gordon: I’m a big believer in the truth, Mitch.
    Me: OH GOD YOU’RE SUCH A SNARKY A**HOLE

  • SugarPlumFairy

    Hey I’m not sure if you mentioned this somewhere already, Alex. I took a break from the comments and have just been catching up with the comic as and when I have free time.

    Was just wondering what the shipping date will be for the original kickstarter comic and tiered rewards?

    • Howdy SugarPlum Fairy! 🙂

      I actually have been posting monthly updates about the status of all the rewards in the Updates section of the Kickstarter page, which you should have been receiving as emails. (I also have been sending out a ton of your digital rewards that way too.) But your email makes me very concerned you haven’t been getting those updates.

      If you haven’t received those emails, please double-check the email address you are using for Kickstarter. This is very important! When the books are ready to ship, the only way I’ll be able to get your current shipping address is by sending you a Kickstarter survey and that’s sent to your Kickstarter email!

      In the meantime, you can find all the updates (which include all your digital rewards that have been sent out so far) here:

      https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/alexwoolfson/the-young-protectors-vol-1-0/posts

      Hopefully, this answers your question. Please let me know if you have any more. And thank you very much for your backing! 🙂

      Alex

  • Kate G

    Ah, Mitch, I love ya. The deserted island friend question. The question that either burned bridges, fortified them or, in a weird twist of fate, built them. I don’t find it surprising that Gordon chose Mitch.

    The people who rag on you the most about doing things right, push you to your limits, about doing things properly and try to keep you safe are usually the people who care about you most…even if you think they HATE you, don’t care about you or your opinions. These people want you to SUCCEED in life, but they are going to push you hard. Tsunami is honestly one of these people, but he’s also got a fair amount of sensitivity and a need to protect those he loves.

    Look back on Interlude one. Tsunami is okay with everyone else seeing gay porn but because Mitch is so young, Tsunami has that protective instinct to shield him from that, even though, we as readers, probably know Mitch all ready knows about gay porn and has probably read it himself because he himself is gay; Tsunami doesn’t know because Mitch hasn’t told anyone. While Mitch, Paul and Kyle are all underage at the time, it’s Mitch Tsunami cares most about.

    He could meet the curse if the why is deeply personal and I suspect it is (I have a feeling he must have lost a nephew or a younger brother.) I can’t wait for the next page.

    • Columbine

      Unfortunately such behaviour drives people away and can be extremely destructive.

      • Derkins

        That’s because they only want you to succeed at what *they think* is best for you. A solid relationship is built on mutual respect, no matter your relations to each other. And that does not include completely failing to empathize, or honor the fact that the other person may have different goals in mind for themselves. They think they’re doing what’s best for you, but really they’re pushing their own agenda.

        I know this well, because it’s the relationship I have with my older sister. It has only served to drive me away. No one likes it when others insert themselves into the way you’re living you’re life, even when they do have an investment in you. A much more effective to sway someone is with honesty, and sincere emotion. Not elbowing them into line.
        The reason my sister is more controlling over me than anyone else is because she cares about me more. It doesn’t mean she has the right to step all over my own concerns, however, even if she doesn’t relate to having them. Same goes for Tsunami and Mitch. (I have also learned this in my relationship with my husband. you have to let the other individual be a different person than you are, or else you will build a wall between the two of you, and end up as a chronic invalidator, yourself.)

        • Columbine

          I have similar problems with my Dad and well….. I distrust that way of ‘caring’ deeply, it’s the motivation behind some horrendously oppressive laws, it’s acid throwing and forced marriages and purdah.

          • Derkins

            Yup. Was talking on another post about how authoritarian Gordon’s position is, and therefore dangerous. Was trying not to get too political on that one, but yeah. I totally agree. The “I know what’s best for you,” Big Brother mentality can run away with itself as it continuously reinforces and re-validates itself, and end up leading to tremendous oppression. As an example close to home in this country, its also to blame for anti-gay marriage laws that are *supposedly* backed by religious creed (don’t get me started). Laws said to, what, prevent would-be sinners from landing in Hell? Really they just prevent people from living full lives.

          • Columbine

            OK lowering the tone massively but I’d never heard of this scale before and now I really want to apply this to the characters in Dragon Age Inquisition….

            Also which country? I come from three, arguably four, and homosexuality is illegal in two of them, death penalty level in one.

          • Derkins

            The scale itself is not that old, was created by Dr. Milton Bennett, and was published in the International Journal of Intercultural Relations in 1986. It is “considered a milestone in the field.” It is supposed to be “a structure for understanding how people experience cultural difference.”

            Here are all the stages for those interested:

            Denial. Being comfortable with the familiar. Not anxious to complicate life with “cultural
            differences”. Not noticing much cultural difference around you. Maintaining separation from
            others who are different.

            Defense. A strong commitment to one’s own thoughts and feelings about culture and cultural
            difference. Some distrust of cultural behavior or ideas that differ from one’s own. Aware of
            other cultures around you, but with a relatively incomplete understanding of them and probably
            fairly strong negative feelings or stereotypes about some of them.
            Reversal is the opposite of Defense: The person feels that some other culture is better and
            tends to exhibit distrust of their own culture. (i.e. “going native”)

            Minimization. People from other cultures are pretty much like you, under the surface.
            Awareness that other cultures exist all around you, with some knowledge about differences in
            customs and celebrations. Not putting down other cultures. Treating other people as you would
            like to be treated.

            Acceptance. Aware of your own culture(s). See your own culture as just one of many ways of
            experiencing the world. Understanding that people from other cultures are as complex as
            yourself. Their ideas, feelings, and behavior may seem unusual, but you realize that their
            experience is just as rich as your own. Being curious about other cultures. Seeking opportunities
            to learn more about them.

            Adaptation. Recognizing the value of having more than one cultural perspective available to
            you. Able to “take the perspective” of another culture to understand or evaluate situations in
            either your own or another culture. Able to intentionally change your culturally based behavior
            to act in culturally appropriate ways outside your own culture.

            Integration. To varying extents, have integrated more than one cultural perspective, mindset,
            and behavior into one’s identity and worldview. Able to move easily among cultures.

            source/ more info: http://www.evansville.edu/offices/diversity/downloads/The%20Developmental%20Model%20of%20Intercultural%20Sensitivity%20-%20primer.pdf

          • Interesting. Thank you for this, Derkins.

          • Derkins

            heh, sure! not just for teachers — also good for writers! :p

          • Derkins

            Ah yes, marriage equality in the USA is definitely ‘toned down’ from a threat of the death penalty or imprisonment found elsewhere, sadly. It all has its roots in intercultural sensitivity, though. This Bennett’s scale of Intercultural Sensitivity is something we attempt to equip teachers with here (at least these days — it hasn’t always been of concern, historically), so that they can help their students develop tolerance and acceptance with their peers. Then, go out into the world and have successful interactions with all the people they’ll encounter, especially in a country like this, that is such a melting pot of cultural differences. That is the ideal and goal, anyway.

          • Columbine

            I’m not sure there are many countries now that arn’t melting pots to some degree. If they’re honest most of them have a long history of it as well- at least long by US standards of history.

            I think that back home…..the ‘majority voice’ as it were wouldn’t consider issues of equal rights (for gender or sexual minorities) to be ‘cultural’. The idea that such subcultures could exist within/along-side their cultures would be utterly dismissed. The idea of dialogue wouldn’t really occur. More of an….idea that bi or homosexuals and women who don’t want to submit to men are part of foreign cultures not their own. I don’t know how clearly I communicate this stuff to be honest, it’s very….instinctual for me and sometimes a little difficult to appreciate other people don’t have that frame of reference.

          • Derkins

            You are communicating beautifully.
            These lower levels of intercultural sensitivity are associated with “concrete thinking,” (the stance that if you haven’t experienced something directly, then it doesn’t exist. the “I’ll believe it when I see it” voice). It is true that before modern times most of the world was considered to be made up of concrete thinkers — which is exactly why many archaic law systems are/were quite severe.

            Countries that have had less leverage for major cultural shifts (North Korea is an extreme example of a culture that doesn’t change/grow with the rest of the world) throughout history have, as a result, maintained that old (and very limited) way of thinking. It is to the advantage of greedy rulers in more traditional/conservative cultures and countries to maintain that position, because it grants them considerable power (such as with Fascism).

            Higher levels of sensitivity require personal growth and sacrifice of power in order to meet those who are different from you, on their same level. I think maybe true cultural melting pots can’t get away with that so much because the government can’t even pretend to be representing the population of the country at that point.

            So, you may experience a governmental body and large populations of a country who are all, at the same time, resonating with the very first stage of Intercultural Sensitivity (avoidance of difference). But, you can also look at other countries that used to be that way — and aren’t anymore. America used to be a nation of Protestants wiping out American Indians and enslaving Africans. Now we have a Harvey Milk is considered a hero (he’s on postage stamps), as the first openly gay politician and public official, gay marriage is federally legal, a transgender sports hero is on the cover of the major magazine, Vanity Fair, and we have a mixed race president with family ties and history in another country. We’ve definitely grown, as a collective nation, and are continuing to grow. Those some places in the world may still look bleak, I have hope, and know that growth is possible. Take heart.

          • Columbine

            Your Brazil example, quite instinctual. I wouldn’t have necessarily thought to explain that to someone. The Middle East is (or was, I haven’t been back in the last couple of years and Syria has….happened) extremely racially diverse with massive amounts of immigration from the rest of Asia. And yet a ‘majority’ culture still forcibly dominates. I put it in quotation marks because calling them a majority makes no sense: the people that benefit or are even ‘fully’ part of the dominant culture are a minority. They are not governments that pretend to represent the people-

            Which is actually a bit of a side point: I meant that most of the places I know a little about have had elements of racial and religious diversity for hundreds of years. The interplay of sub/cultures and cultural understanding shapes the way countries and cultures develop: Matory wrote a pretty convincing argument that Voodoo as it’s practiced in Nigeria was heavily influenced by practices in Brazil.

            My brother’s fond of saying that ‘culture is dead’ which I think is a poor response to Western culture growing and changing at a visible rate to encompass/allow for more viewpoints. I’m reminded of the adinkra ‘Twistings’- it reminds us that change is necessary and the ability to adapt is a virtue. Change is natural. What does not change dies.

            Edit: This seems to be getting long and detailed, are the mods/Alex still OK with it happening here or is there a point where we should exchange email addresses?

          • Derkins

            lol I was wondering the same thing about our convo. It’s pretty off topic from the comic, and it’s getting really deep into it. I’ll just respond by saying I really like what you wrote about adaptability — I agree. Culture is a living web, intimately connected to, and shaped by all that surrounds it, and all that was built before it.
            I’m also going to look up the references you named as they sound quite interesting.

      • Kate G

        I wouldn’t always say that these relationships are always destructive. Sometimes they evolve into very good relationships. I still am very close with my dad and my equestrian instructor can be very tough and drive me to do things I think I’m not ready for, but I really am.

        Do I get super pissed at my dad when he pulls his super protective crap? Yea. I’ve gotten into some pretty big rows with him on that. I always make up with him after and we try to talk about it….with my mom as a mediator because it’s just easier that way. Everyone gets heard and no fights ensue.

        • Columbine

          Always? No probably not. Often? I think so. It’s the attitude/motivation my parents have used to try and correct my gender expression, to try and control where I live and who I’m friends with. It’s the reason my Dad feels he can shout at me while I’m depressed and then tell me it’s my own fault for having such a bad attitude and I should look in the mirror-

          Is it from love? Certainly. It’s also the reason I stopped telling them anything I considered important around the age of 12. You’re lucky you can have rows and make up, that you can be heard. My experience is that this attitude to love means that someone isn’t heard, and isn’t appreciated as a person (as opposed to a status symbol or an extension of the family) which is why I distrust it deeply.

  • Le gasp! That was such a cute response that I wasn’t even expecting. I wonder if he chose him because of his instincts to do good.

  • Tyler Griffin

    Hey guys and mods. I just noticed in my notifications bit that a comment I made the other night had a “Removed” thingie beside it, but that’s all I could see. If the person who removed it doesn’t mind, I’d love to know why/how/what line it crossed so that I don’t do it again. Not looking to argue about it, purely just asking for enlightenment. Thx.

    • I’ll look into it. 🙂

    • Hi Tyler! Just wanted you to know that it was apparently Disqus shenanigans (someone keeps feeding the Gremlins after midnight). So you did nothing and don’t need to worry. Thanks for being such an awesome commenter!

      The Admiral 🙂

      • Tyler Griffin

        Ok. Awesome. Thanks for following up on that for me

      • Chris Dangerfield

        Don’t worry @disqus_z5FoIJToFP:disqus. The Admiral only had to sacrifice one small goat to fix Disqus for you… cleanup is entirely on the house. Enjoy…

        (chris quickly exits… stage left…)

        • 😐

          • Chris Dangerfield

            @^◡^@

          • Are those cinnabons on your ears??

          • Chris Dangerfield

            I thought I was cosplaying a happy Princess Leia? No? 😛

          • Well with cinnabons on your ears you should be happy.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            (gurgle…) c-i-n-n-a-b-o-n-s…

          • As is the proper response to such things. 😀

  • Jeldenil

    I find it amazing how Julie manages to make Gordon look concerned despite his frowny eyebrows, in that last panel. So good!

  • dereule101

    I could only think of this song
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUWHUHA7Nx8

    • Chris Dangerfield

      HA!

  • Chris Dangerfield

    So I dreamed this awesome Monday idea…

    If I invent a time machine that only jumps one forward to page-days (we could adjust to include the last hour of camping if one wished), then I could charge those time-traveling fans an outrageous amount of money for the service. I’d be filthy rich and could instantly make this Tuesday night (or your time zone equivalent)! Sweeeeet.

    Ammirite? Genius, yes?

    (chris suddenly wakes up from this dream) DAMNIT!

  • Chris Dangerfield

    Oh apropos of nothing except Julie… I ended up over at her website at Lesser Key Studios | Riven Seal and sorta got stuck reading the entire story up to date. Very cool, magic, demons, spells and (as you might expect it’s all gorgeous and yummy).

    http://www.lesserkeystudios.com/rivenseal/ch1-page-1/

    Also they’re on the last 12 days of their Kickstarter and very close to getting to their goal. In addition to Volume one (which looks really delicious) they have cool rewards. I had to raise my pledge a tiny bit because I NEEEEEEEEEEEED the reverie prints (no, seriously, I need them, I DO… and NO, I am not a comic nerd. why ever would you say such a thing?) Go check it out. You won’t regret it.

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1216807743/riven-seal-volume-1

  • Chris Dangerfield

    Oh and for those into the astrological rules of the TYP universe…

    Sunrise this morning denoted the end of last week’s never-ending campout and marks the beginning of the continuous camp for the next page… true fact.

    Apparently the Moon is in the Seventh House or something… However, it’s all true. Promise.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjxSCAalsBE

  • andrea

    OH COME ON! you could’ve asked something better (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

    • Chris Dangerfield

      OKAY, HOW’S THIS?

      Mitch: Gordon?

      Gordon: Yes?

      Mitch: Do you find me attractive?

      Gordon:

      Gordon:

      Gordon:

      Gordon: Ung…

      (gordon suddenly turns to tiny sparkly dust that collapses into a miniature black hole and collapses on itself leaving a stunned mitch starring in horror at where he just was)

      Kyle: Duuuuuuude… the curse just totally vaporized Gordon?!

      Mitch: (horrified) I didn’t mean to!

      Amanda: (pinching the bridge of her nose, perhaps feeling a migraine coming on) Okay, AGH, let’s just get this done. Okay, who’s going to ask Paul a question now?

      Paul: (fully alarmed and still looking at the Gordon sized dent left in the sofa) ANYONE BUT MITCH! In fact, let me just come out and tell everyone about the horrendous incident at the Dairy Queen and get this FUBAR thing over with…

      • Michael

        NOPE NOPE NOPE

        I do not, cannot and will never ship Mitch/Gordon. Tsu is straighter than an arrow at rest, and about as sexually attractive as an arrow in the knee.

        • Chris Dangerfield

          You don’t have to ship it. Finding someone attractive is not the same as positing a “relationship” between them. I’m gay, but I find lots of women ‘attractive’. I know from straight male friends that the alternate can also be true.

          So here, to help you out, substitute the following:

          Gordon = Straight Dudebro
          Mitch = Chris Hemsworth or Cary Grant
          (adjust accordingly for age and preference)

          Enjoy!

  • Saxon_Brenton

    Art nitpick: I think I’m projecting derision into everything Tsunmai does & says 🙁

    I’ve been looking at this page, and I noted that Tsunami has some lopsidedness about his mouth – either shading (especially in panel 1) or the actual shape of the mouth (panels 2 and 5) – that combined with his frowny face make it look like he’s out-and-out sneering when he speaks. Which is so not fair, because other characters on this and previous pages have lopsided mouths as well. Just look at Flyboy talking out of the side of his mouth in panel 3 (if it were a matter of perspective, it would be the left hand side of his mouth that was larger than the right).

    I’m gonna need some insight into the way Tsunami’s headspace works real soon.

  • Michael

    Woo, here on time for camping!

    How is everyone this fine day?

    • Enjoying the A/C. 🙂

      • Michael

        Nice. 🙂 It’s not too cold today, but quite grey with all the cloud cover.

        • By the time it’s mid-winter here I’m looking forward to warmer weather. Then warmer weather gets here and I start looking forward to winter.

          • Michael

            And the cycle of life goes on.

            I went to my local library this morning to ask about volunteering opportunities, but no dice. There’s a union/central management agreement, because almost all paid staff are casuals, they don’t want to take work away from them.

            On the upside, I’ve been told that many local schools often accept volunteers in their library areas, so I’m going to spend some time today drafting an introduction/cover letter.

          • Fingers crossed!

          • Michael

            Thanks! The job situation is really terrible at the moment, businesses are closing all over the place. I’m not holding my breath for employment quite yet, but I want/need to focus on finishing the certificate course I’m currently studying, and then starting a diploma course at the start of next year in library services.

          • Business sucks all the way around.

          • Michael

            yep. Hence looking for volunteer opportunities, rather than paid ops.

            It doesn’t help that my state government ripped up a multi-billion dollar construction contract, and then had to pay more billions in compensation, breach of contract, lost millions of dollars in credit deposits, and so on.

            End of the day the state is down multiple billions, and has nothing to show for it. Great way to demonstrate economic responsibility and a commitment to jobs growth, government.

          • davefragments

            I hate to ask it politically but which of the republican goofballs is your governor?

          • Michael

            We don’t have republicans in Australia, but I believe Mr. Andrews is Labor, which down here is a bit left of centre (mind you, centre here is left for you guys).

            On the other hand, it doesn’t help that the previous Liberal government (these are analogous to centrist repubs, I believe) dew up, pushed through, and signed the contract in secret months before the election and with minimal consultation with the public, including all sorts of deals about tolls and yearly payments to the builder and other shady goings-on.

            Basically, Australian politicians be crazy no matter what ‘side’ they’re on. Labor and the Liberals are pretty much the same in their approach, it’s not nearly as divided as with Repub/Dems over in the US, they just have a few key policy disagreements.

          • davefragments

            It’s “Austerity” which is a world-wide plague shoved down the throats (I’m being polite) of people all over the world. You don’t get prosperity by cutting back on everything. You get slow growth and low employment. Japan found that out years ago but (Heaven’s forbid) any politician would learn or Economist would admit to their theories being wrong.
            Notice how easy it is for me to fall into a rant about it?
            I’m dangerous when I get riled up.

          • Michael

            Makes as much sense as “trickle down”, a policy that thankfully Australia seems to have skipped.

          • davefragments

            Yes.

          • Damn! The stupidity of government.

  • davefragments

    This camping can’t come too soon.
    I need it today.

    • Yay for camping!! Sorry that today didn’t kick ass.

      • davefragments

        Two words – – Donald Trump – –
        Two more words – – Everlasting shame – –
        Two FINAL words – – I don’t want to hear it anymore – –

        (OK that’s more than two, so sue me!)

    • Michael

      What’s up? Come and share with the campfire circle.

      • davefragments

        I went food shopping today and It stormed when I got out of the car and I had to ship feeling “damp.”
        I hate feeling damp.

        • Michael

          eww, damp. I don’t ship it.

          aheh. See what I did there?

          • davefragments

            :-}

          • davefragments

            :-}

  • I think I am here for camping?

    • YAY!

    • YAY!

    • davefragments

      Hi there

      • Been awhile since we have chatted yes? Have you missed me dave? *suggestive eye wiggle* 😉

        • davefragments

          Yes, I did miss you. Don’t stay away that long again.

          • well, I was away while I was in Savannah and when I came back I kept crashing early. Not sure how long I will be awake, but I have been able to stay up latter the past few nights.

          • davefragments

            I don’t travel well. It’s been years since I did.
            added – – travel that is.

          • I was just so exhausted after coming back. Like I was forcing myself to act better then I felt and then had to recover when I no longer was putting up a front?

          • davefragments

            Years ago, I turned down trip to Japan and Korea for work because of the length of the flight times. The farthest I ever flew was Pittsburgh of LAs Vegas and Pittsburgh to Dan Diego. San Diego was only special because I saw Frank Sinatra’s yacht (now that a yacht) and Las Vegas was special because it was the first time I played dice and there were a couple subjects at the conference that I don’t name.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Understood.

            I spent 8 months traveling back and forth from the US to Sydney. 1 week a month. I almost died of jet-lag, but you learn to manage it in weird ways.

            The day you leave the US you try NOT to sleep. Then you get on the plane (late flight)… try not to eat and take a sleeping pill. Sleep the night on the flight. You arrive in Sydney at 5-6 am… you go straight to hotel (early check-in essential) and shower and go STRAIGHT to work and do your best to wobble through the day.

            DO NOT HIDE IN AN OFFICE AND SLEEP — (Edna says) no capes and NO napping. Go out with friends eat dinner and stay up as late as possible (not that late) and then go and crash and burn and try to sleep through as much of the night as possible — take another sleeping pill if necessary to prevent waking up wide awake at midnight… Within a day or so you can function on AU time.

            Coming home… you’re just f*cked. 🙂

          • davefragments

            The Big Shots used to schedule two four day conferences and other meetings – – one in Japan and the other in Korea. Then they’d travel three days before and wait three days after. That meant two weeks of travel. And they had a great hotel. I could also tell the total cheapskate bosses when they did it because a short time later, they started wearing those styles and ugly black suits that could be had for pennies on the dollar from the Far East. No style at all.
            I liked my Joseph Abboud and Canali suits, better.
            If I did a three day short course at the AICHE or ACS meetings in the USA, I was in places Like Harrisburg, Chicago, maybe Houston, or I ended up in Uniontown and Akron. I had a two day meeting in Stamford Connecticut and they flew me to LaGuardia and I rented a car to drive the rest of the way to Stamford. That was the time they booked me into a roach motel and I really complained about it.
            I wasn’t fond of travel. In fact, I rather hated it. Weirdest trip was to beautiful downtown Bartlesville Oklahoma. You flew into Tulsa and the LAND WAS SO FLAT, that if it weren’t for the curvature of the earth, you could see Bartlesville. They cow;don’t get me a car so the other fellow had to drive (A phD Chemist) He took me to a BBQ place one afternoon that was great. It doubled as a biker bar in the evening. The booths were made of 2×4’s scarred by the drunken brawls of the bikers. BUT, great BBQ was all that counted.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            I’m actually a fan of being able to teleconnect often in business today. It spares some of the real exhaustion of business travel. Personal contact is still essential if you are finalizing complex design details, since aesthetics in any business is so subtle and hard to communicate about, even if you aren’t dealing cross culturally (then it’s even harder).

            However… Mmmmmmmmmmm… BBQ! NOM!

    • Michael

      Maybe? I can’t tell if we’re camping yet, the tortoise hasn’t serenaded the temple gong yet.

      • I feel like I should know that reference, but it is escaping me at the moment.

        • Michael

          No reference, just surreal ridiculousness.

          • hmmmm…..it just sounds oddly familiar in a way

          • Michael

            Everyone’s slightly mad, that’s why.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            curiouser and curiouser

  • In for camping. How is everyone?

    • Hi Gryphon!!

      • Hi AJ! Good to see you.

        A while ago you tweeted a castle but I think I was still traveling. It did make me think about our castle corral, or whatever it is.

        • Yes, we have ourselves quite the menagerie of castles.

    • Michael

      Hi!

      triple-smoked-ham and cheese sandwich: check
      comfy chair: check

      I’m all set for camping too!

      • Darn! I’m envious. I still flailing around trying to figure out what to eat.

        • Michael

          I originally bought the ham to make chicken parmas for dinner, but one or two slices missing won’t make a difference 🙂

          • Michael

            Ok, I may be an atheist, but I have to say:

            Good GOD this triple-smoked ham is good. Goodbye Honey Leg, farewell Shaved Champagne, I’m a convert.

  • davefragments

    I used to think hard and try to figure out what was going to happen next but on a page like this no matter how hard I think, I get nothing in mind.
    So I just wait.

    • I finally got caught up on the last few pages just now and I was thinking the same thing!

  • jreed3842

    I have made it to the camping session!! How is everyone tonight?!

    • Hi! I’m doing well. A bit tired but it’s been a good day.

      • jreed3842

        Good!! I’m glad you had a good day!

      • *poke poke* If I disappear I am reading a Snarry HP fic. Voldemort is gone, and there is a new *snicker* Dark Lord *snicker* and another *giggle* prophecy *giggle*. *sigh* Hermione and Ginny are dead in this one though. Ron is on his way there unless he cleans up his act. *sad face* This is a fic where instead of going to Azkaban the DEs are sold into slavery. *sad face* Harry was not happy about that. *evil grin* One thing people really should not do is make Harry angry…… *evil grin*

        • That Snarry fic sounds like a doozy but it also sounds like you’re enjoying it. Have fun!

          • Well I mean all the things I could say about it but then that would be spoiler-ish…..

        • Michael

          That’s… quite a premise. I’ve just restarted the Dangerverse, which is possibly even worse when you condense it into a paragraph like that.

      • stickfigurefairytales

        Hi Gryph! Glad you had a good day. 🙂

    • davefragments

      “I mean, it feels radical in kind of a tubular sort of way, but most of all, it feels out there”

      • Fast Times at Ridgemont High?

        • davefragments

          Bull Durham
          A baseball story that breaks into a romance.

          • Damn, I was way out there with that one. I didn’t want to search for it, just wrote down the first thing I thought of.

            I love Bull Durham! What a great script! I haven’t seen that in years.

      • Chris Dangerfield

        Wow… my old friend “tubular”… it’s been a long while!

  • Kit the Coyote

    Hello campers!

    • Michael

      Hello, Kit! Where’s your caboodle?

      • Kit the Coyote

        *snickers*

  • Throat sore so no camping tonight… but have fun everyone! Zzzzz

    • davefragments

      Get well quick

    • Boo! Get better.

    • Get well soon, Starr. Miss you!

    • Michael

      How does your throat affect your typing? Unless you dictate to your computer…

      Either way, hope it clears up soon!

      • stickfigurefairytales

        Well, she’s probably feeling tired as well.

        • Michael

          Fair point.

    • Kit the Coyote

      Healing wishes and blessings for you Starr.

    • Feel better soon sweet Starr *hugs*

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Poor Starr! I hope you feel better soon!

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Hope you feel better soon and this throat doesn’t interfere with reading smexy fanfic!!! 🙂

  • stickfigurefairytales

    I’m camping from my phone while babysitting (and watching the Cavs game).

    • Hi Stick!

      The streets are quiet around here and folks left work in a hurry so they could all watch the game. Even my Dad handed the phone to my Mom when I called earlier.

      • stickfigurefairytales

        Things are not looking good for the Cavs right now… But we won’t give up!

        • Michael

          Well, it’s their fault for kicking Mitch off the team.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Wait, is somebody symbolizing Mitch here, or were you just being silly?

          • Michael

            Mitch was an intern with the Cavaliers, wasn’t he?

            (Yes, I’m just being silly. Interesting coincidence of team names, that’s all)

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Haha, I’d already forgotten that was the name of the team Mitch interned with! Of course, his was Connecticut, not Cleveland. 😀

    • Chris Dangerfield

      MULTI-TASKER!!!

  • davefragments

    go sign

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Mmmmmm… you make that sound so salacious. 😛