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The Young Protectors: Engaging The Enemy Flyboy Bonus Comic—Page 6

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I was worried before, but after listening to Diego, now I’m totally not. Phew!

Oh, and I’ve finally created an Index of all the Rewards that Patrons have access to. Please take a moment to check it out and let me know what you think!

(And the newest reward is a Sneak Preview of the upcoming Full Monty Spooky Jones painting by WOODun. It’s the first four preliminary sketches of the Spookster in his birthday suit! 🙂

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So! Good thing Cory has a responsible older brother looking out for him in this tough situation! And once this is over, they’re going to be all set! Will Diego really be able to make sure nothing bad happens? Will this, in fact, be easy? Is “cash money” worth more than regular money because you’re saying the same word twice? (And does that enlarging effect apply to all nouns or just the pecuniary ones?) And finally, what is Flyboy going to do about all this?

Tune in this Saturday to find out! Hope to see you there! 😀

  • Chris Dangerfield

    What the heck is going on here?

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Good job, Chris!

      • Chris Dangerfield

        (freakish luck and nothing more… lol)
        Edit: but thanks!

        • Did the dog trip you? 😉

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Ahahahaha… I deserve that. Nope I clicked the magic link and was suddenly on and empty new page. I was so shocked I typed the first thing I could think of. So sad. LOL.

    • davefragments

      Robbery

      • Chris Dangerfield

        Almost exactly!

    • So if I give the wrong answer will I hear a buzzer like on Family Feud?

      • Chris Dangerfield

        Was it Richard Dawson who was always fondling the female guests? Creeeeeeepy….

        • Well, now it’s Steve Harvey hosting. I haven’t detected any creepiness. Although sometimes there are some really really bad stupid questions and whoever thought of them and those who took the survey need to be flayed.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Yeah I think they nipped that in the bud, after the 70s or 80s or something… I just remember a juicy scandal. Nothing like mother’s breasts being groped in studio to cause people to squeeeeeeee……..

          • Indeed!!

          • davefragments

            Did you see the Kevin Bacon interview? He wants more men without clothing in the movies.
            0.o

            Added: that meant absolutely nothing in context. I have no idea why I said it. I’ll blame it on late night text messages

          • Chris Dangerfield

            NEVER happens to me… but no worries. LOL.

          • davefragments

            I love those dumb questions

          • Oh the dumb questions are great. It’s the stupid sexist ones. Like: how many ex-boyfriends can a girl have before she is considered used goods. (paraphrasing but yes that’s a real question)

          • davefragments

            I usually see the ones like “name one thing you put in your … ” or something other leading question that some of those contestants take as their cue to be funny.

          • Yeah that one was during the fast money questions. 99% of the questions are silly and fun, but every so often one of those questions slip in.

    • Sapfo

      I know what is going on. You took the V!
      Well dude, you better take good care of little new V 🙂

  • Dang that’s intense!

    • Chris Dangerfield

      What AJ said!

      • Yup, what I said.

        • Chris Dangerfield

          ‘Zactly!

  • Chris Dangerfield

    I agree with Alex… I WAS worried… but I’m fine now. NOT!

  • stickfigurefairytales

    Just make sure you all keep using each other’s names as much as possible. That’s always smart when you’re committing crimes.

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Harvard criminals are always so damn smug!

    • That and her seeing their faces…covering them up isn’t gonna help, I don’t think.

      • stickfigurefairytales

        Yeah, I’ve got the feeling Ivan isn’t planning on leaving her alive.

        • I hope that won’t happen but I did have the same thought. No more violence!

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Well, even if he tries I’m sure Mitch will find a way to foil his plans.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Well just don’t take her to Hell to meet her Dad and I think she’ll be okay………….. (damn… all this time and I’m still bitter). LOL.

          • So understandable. The shock of how that happened still lingers.

    • davefragments

      No one ever said that criminals are bright. Most times they are rather dumb as a box of rocks.

  • Chris Dangerfield

    When your bro puts on the stocking cap mask of evil it’s NOT GOOD MAN!!!! I’m telling you NOT GOOD!

    • davefragments

      I noticed that on first reading.

      • Chris Dangerfield

        I was totally channelling Bill Paxton in ALIENS in that last one… “NOT GOOD MANNNN!!!”

        • “GAME OVER, GAME OVER!!!”

          • Chris Dangerfield

            OH EXACTLY!!!!

        • davefragments

          Masks san I don’t get along. It’s like a hateful halloween thing. Not scares but cheapness involved.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            I’m guessing to slightly scary clowns at your birthdays smelling ever so slightly of gin and cigarettes?

          • davefragments

            My brother and I were an only child. I never had a birthday for MY birthday, always two of them at once. I never had a clown and after Stephen King’s “IT” never did.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            So wise……….. 🙂

  • But why not, you know, find more permanent lodgings? I mean if they’ll be set and everything?

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Lack-o-room service, Admiral!
      (Diego may also (just possibly) be imagining that rapper high-style schmotel where classy ladies will want to hang out with them. (common fantasy among those with penises)

  • stickfigurefairytales

    I’m guessing this bonus comic is not set during summer (based on the number of layers that Diego and Cory are wearing, plus the guard’s long sleeves), but since it *is* summer where I am, do you guys think that robbers’ heads get really hot when they’re wearing ski masks? I think that they must.

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Maybe it’s New York summer gang sheik? That kinda skanky gang wear that wicks away perspiration? Maybe?

    • Just the thought of wearing a ski mask right now *cringe* Not because it’s been extremely hot here in Denmark in this past month, but because it was sunny enough yesterday (while spent hours at a harbour side) that I’m sunburned from the neck and up. My scalp is on fire >.<

    • purplefoxglove

      I’m quite sure they get hot. I remember how hot I got when I was with a patient in isolation and only had to wear a surgical masc and cap. Ski masks cover the whole face and consist of a far thicker and warmer material.

  • Hmmm, Manito, I think your brother is an idiot.

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Hmmm, Manito, I think the Admiral is right.

      • Well I am the admiral.

        • Chris Dangerfield

          Okay… where’s my muffin?

          • Behind you on the table laden with baked good. 🙂

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Mmm! I think I’ll help myself.

          • How these things appear in our camp grounds, I have no idea, but who am I to question such magic!!

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Stick toooook my muffin!!!

          • Table laded laden with baked goods.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            “laded”…… meaning more than enough?

          • Meaning the table is groaning under the weight of all the baked goods.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            want that table!

          • stickfigurefairytales

            I’d offer to give it back but I already ate half.

          • davefragments

            He won’t mind the teeth marks.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            What about the fact that I licked it?

          • davefragments

            Call in a “five second rule” waiver.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Not sure that’s how that rule works, but I suppose it’s worth a shot.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Trussssssst us………

          • Chris Dangerfield

            wow, Dave gives two extra seconds, but he avoids germs. 😀

          • davefragments

            I had a doggie (a yorkie) for a long time and anything that left my fingers magically never hit the floor. Once I had Chinese takeout and a chicken wing slipped out of my fingers (it was wet, slippery and took off like a rocket). That never hit the ground and the doggie was running to hide away and make sure it flew into his orbit never to be seen again.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Yeah we had one of those when I was a kid… a terrier so fast it would sleep with one eye open for kids dropping food and would blur underneath your chair so fast the food never hit the ground and then drop instantly back “to sleep” … the giant faker.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            adds to the flavor….. want my gum?

          • Chris Dangerfield

            I’m very open minded and I share……… if you’ll give it back.

          • Wait, did you do something wrong?? Why would you request a muffin?

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Admiral = Muffin… FACT!

          • HA!

  • This has probably already been said before but that really looks like New York City. And not Midtown either.

    I love these characters, Alex! They have so much character and detail. Very expressive faces, hands, and body postures. And they’re just regular dudes. Very cool.

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Well said.

      • So nice to see you, Mr. Chris!

        • Chris Dangerfield

          Likewise Ms. G!

    • Glad to hear it, Gryphongirl! I think Adam’s doing an amazing job with them. Very much fun to work with him on this. 🙂

  • jreed3842

    I missed camping completely!!
    Ya know, I really like this security guard. Her expression is all “What are you gonna do? Shoot me? HA!”

    She doesn’t even have her hands up or anything. One word: Fierce.
    That’s it… Move over Spooky, Security Guard over here is my new favorite character. 😛

    • This is a great comment!

    • davefragments

      I thought that she’s getting in a position to swat the gun aside and drag him over a hip and flat on his back. Everyone thinks that they can fir a gun in one hand and most times, their wrists aren’t that strong and the gun bucks or wanders.

      • jreed3842

        This Security Guard is gonna wreck shit before Mitch gets the chance too.
        Plot twist: This Bonus comic is actually about her.

        • davefragments

          She’s definitely the curve-ball in the robbery scheme.

        • Michael

          Re. the gun-posture: the security guard and the old man from kick Ass 2 went to the same training seminar.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCcVBvS2qEA

          She know he’s going to aim way off target, the recoil will smack him in the mouth, and then she just needs to disarm while he’s stunned, and get her gun back.

  • Chris Dangerfield

    This is a really well done page that creates honest tension in the seeming “real-world.” No super powers on display. Just hard character emotion and relationships. So, well done you guys!

    Panel #1: I love these contrasts. The brother’s in the background. So brothers. The older doing what you know he’s done a million times… and pushing his younger into trouble (brothers do that shit). Ivan in the front of frame looking nasty as sh*t as he pulls on that mask. The expressions are just perfect guys. Nice (okay not nice, but you know).

    Panel #2: Does this baby face break your heart or what? He’s basically begging his older brother to see what’s happening in front of their faces. It’s horrible because it’s so honest.

    Panel #3: Older brother is just going to hell to meet Laampros here. He’s being the blind snake and his younger brother loves him too much to leave him to certain death. Manito knows he’s the key (power) and if he flees he’s leaving his loved older brother to the sh*t.

    Panel #4: More super SINNNNNCERE snakery. That’s wishful thinking and it could cost him his little brother. This is heartbreaking.

    Panel #5: And the final nail in the coffin. Big brother is lost.

    Panel #6: And big brother goes away as he puts the mask on and declares what’s important to him in actions. The worst part is that he doesn’t even understand how he’s destroying his relationship with his little brother. Auggggghhhhh.

    Oddly this real-world page was emotionally harder than some of the ones we’ve had recently. It’s wonderful work. I can’t wait for the next page day. Thank you all!

    • Nice analysis, Mr. Chris!

      • Chris Dangerfield

        Thank you. It’s a great page. Sometimes these are harder to make so emotional than the big splashy ones. Bravo(a) to the gang!

    • Thank you, Chris. As Gryphongirl pointed out, very nice analysis and very gratifying for me to read. I really like your take on their relationship and their choices. 🙂

    • It really is hard to watch the brothers talk. Love is good, but it can also be destructive. Is Diego really that ‘naive’ and delusional, or has that underlying feeling of desperation in this, now out of control, situation made him blind?
      This is bad, and Cory’s love for his brother is about to take him down with him.

      • Michael

        I’m seeing a lot of desperation, and it looks like Older Brother is falling for a variation of the ‘sunken costs’ fallacy: they’re in so deep and have come so far that they can’t back out now and waste all the time spent planning and scoping etc.

        It could also be that he doesn’t see much of a choice.The line about “hotels and good food” makes me think that either they’re homeless, runaways, or wards of the state (orphans or fosterlings). It might be a matter of doing one bad thing in order to protect and provide for the brother he loves, versus doing the ‘good’ thing and watching his family suffer, possibly on the streets begging for enough change for their next meal.

        It could well be a much more difficult moral quandary than we can see from the surface.

  • *sigh* …..I have heard that argument before. “They are bad people so it is okay.” ….and then it turns out to be a charity organization or such…

  • Madock345

    Right now I’m wonering exactly what Manito’s power is. Sounds like telekinesis maybe, but could be something a lot more interesting.

    “Just push them down”… isn’t really going to work.

    Also panel 1 Ivan makes me fear for Security Woman’s safety. Dude looks like seriously bad news.

  • Cory, so that’s his name 🙂 It’s cute that Diego calls him Manito (little brother), but a real name is good to know.

    Suuure, it’s going to be a piece of cake. They have a very good eye witness who’s seen their faces clearly, not to even mention two of their real names if it wasn’t easy to identify them already.

    … and they’re about to break into a building and steal something from ‘bad people’. ‘Bad people’ usually don’t like that all too much, and if they really are just that then they’re not going to let this go.

    Who does Diego try to convince; Himself or Cory in this shitty situation?
    There seems to be an underlying desperation in this, and desperate people often do things without thinking them through.

    • Very good analysis here too, Danish. And good questions. 🙂

    • Dennis Grace

      Funny how no one has stated the obvious: Ivan is going to off the security guard at some point. I guess he’s keeping her in reserve as a meat shield, but I’m sure he’ll put two slugs in the back of her skull at his earliest opportunity.

      • Chris Dangerfield

        crap… I think I need more coffee… lol. (it was meat shield that got me here. heh)

  • You know, I could just see Mitch flying to this scene going in his head “DUDE!!! YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER! DIALOGUE LIKE THAT ALWAYS LEADS TO THINGS GOING TO HELL IN A HAND-BASKET!!! YOU DON’T WANT TO RUIN YOUR LIFE!!! DIDN’T WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT AVOIDING THESE SITUATIONS? ESPECIALLY IF IT INVOLVES FAMILY AND THE WORDS ‘MESSY’ ‘SET FOR LIFE’ ‘ENOUGH CASH/MONEY’ AND INVOLVES SOMETHING MORALLY QUESTIONABLE?”

    • Michael

      Considering Mitch’s inclinations, this pop[s to mind:

      “What, what, WHAT are you doing?! Think of your life, think of your choices!”

  • Sapfo

    “Bad people and they deserv whats they get”…
    Yeah that usally means one of two things.

    #1. the thieves trying to persuade themselves that this is the truth, while the bad people are quite ordinary individuals in no way deserving of anything bad. In other words, the theives are try to to lull their bad conscience.

    #2. or two, these are really bad bad bad people and you should in no shape or from try to annoy them. Turn around now! Do not go anywhere close to that door!!!

    Good morning and Thank you for this wonderful page!

    • Well you know how every one thinks they are the hero of their own stories.

      • Sapfo

        *Put on strawberry cape and stand heroically next to Admiral. Wind blowing our hairs back*
        Yes, heros! ^^

        and yes I do agree on that. No one wants to be the bad guy.
        Unless…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHM3adgasrg

      • Something I believe I read in an encyclopedia when I was 9 and it’s informed my thinking ever since.

        (I think the actual quote was “No man knowingly does evil” from an entry on Socrates, but same difference. I took it to mean that we are loathe to think of ourselves as actually evil and the reasons we use to justify our actions let us keep thinking of ourselves as good. 🙂 )

        • It’s a very good thing to remember. 🙂

        • Michael

          First time I learned this idea that I can recall, it came in the form of a book about how to write fiction: “every villain is the hero of their own story”, and then later on a more refined version, “there are no villains and heroes, only people whose ideas, needs, and priorities contradict”

    • kamishiro

      And #3 One action doesn’t justify the other !

      And i believe this fits well their situation. Hope no one get hurts >___< Specially Mitch * me looking at the gun DDDD: *

    • Nice analysis, Sapfo. And you’re very welcome! 🙂

  • Klaus

    I was worried before, but after listening to Diego, now I’m really worried.

    • Yep. Because nothing goes wrong after one of those speeches. Never. Not at all. *might be a little heavy on the sarcasm*

  • Jeldenil

    Hmmm. Mitch’s options…
    -fly away with Ivan and/or the gun
    -fly away with Cory and/or security guard lady
    -fly away with the building
    -????

    • Klaus

      – just fly away

      I don’t think he would do that, though. Not heroic enough.

      • Jeldenil

        Yeah. We already know he doesn’t do that, because this is a story about him breaking the rules and possibly getting in trouble with a romantic interest (most likely Cory). We also already know he doesn’t call the team in, which would theoretically also be an option.

  • Jeldenil

    Thinking about this page some more… If Diego and Cory practiced, and Diego says it’s ‘easy’, could it possibly mean that Diego has had the same powers Cory now has, and has lost them some way or other? Are superpowers temporary in this universe?

    • Klaus

      Not necessarily. Diego is trying to convince Cory that it will be easy for him.

      • Jeldenil

        I agree that is the most likely scenario, I just prefer to think outside the box.

  • Klaus

    Breaking a door and pushing people over are two very different things. Just ask the Great and Powerful Turtle.

    • And now I know about the Great and Powerful Turtle.

  • bronakopdin

    I’m sooo proud of myself for predicting so many things on the last page!
    Or well: asking questions that get answered with “yes” on this page ^^
    It’s nearly frightening xD

    Finally we learn the other boys names 🙂
    Manito sounds really cool but then you say! So as with Diego I guess they’re both Mexican origin or at least from South America! (or rather their parents, both speak good English)
    “Ivan” sounds clearly Russian or East European (so it MIGHT have been the “dudes” plural of last page was just a mistake resulting in his dialect or sth in case he immigrated himself)

    We’ll see!
    I’m totally hyped and on edge as to how thisall continues!

    Edit:
    Only now I read the last paragraph of your post @alexwoolfson:disqus so is the little guys name in fact “Cory” and not “Manito”?
    I know no Spanish so it could very well just be a Spanish Version of “dude/pal” or sth like that ^^’
    In that case my origin theory would be thrown over for now as Cory doesn’t really give an idea… But then again you say “Cory’s older brother” probably regarding to Diego here, so in the end still Mexican or more Southern?
    hmmmmmm… let’s see ^^

    • Klaus

      The “bad dudes” are the people who are not inside the door. Or maybe they are. Anyway, the dudes who deserve what they are going to get.

      • bronakopdin

        This is still another big question! I hope we learn more on the next page this Saturday!

    • Klaus

      I did not know either. I thought it had to do with native American religion. But it means “little brother” in Spanish.

      • Keneu

        I don’t hear it much in Spain as a way to adress a family member, so maybe it’s more common in America. But yes, that’s what it means.

        I’m curious to know if Cory is another nickname created from shortening his name, or if it’s his real name.

        • bronakopdin

          Thanks for adding up more info, Keneu! 🙂

          I just love this helpful community here 😀

          • Keneu

            No problem! I like to be of help. Sadly I don’t know much about American Spanish apart from a few general things, so I can only talk about what I know well. Also, even if it’s American Spanish, there are times when a word can have completely different meanings from one country to the other.

          • bronakopdin

            yeah I can imagine!
            I mean it’s just normal in a way, in school we learned British English yet most people on the internet seem to write in American spellings so my own English got pretty mixed up over the years and I catch myself mixing up both forms all the time…
            Not only English though, and it doesn’t even have to be such a geographical distance either! Within Germany alone people use words’ meanings absolutely different at times!
            Now don’t make me start with Austrian German xD
            While we in Germany might use words differently we all share the same Orthography… Though Austria has it’s own additionally to the different usage of the words or even words we don’t use at all here ^^
            I’ve got a very good friend born and still living in Vienna (will visit her the 3rd time in the beginning of September) and I love going there also for their dialect and everything 😀
            I happen to unconsciously copy this very fast, it’s enough when I visit my granny over a weekend in another part of Germany, too…
            I’m living in the very North at the coast of the Baltic Sea btw ^^

          • Keneu

            Mixing British and American English happens to me all the time when I talk, too. I usually mix colloquialisms from different countries, or mix informal and formal style. It’s complicated because sometimes there are only tacit rules for these kinds of things.

            That sounds interesting! I bet that on the German speaking part of Switzerland also happens the same. As for accents, there are some people that pick them really fast and they sound like natives, but most people have a little of their original accent during all their lives. It depends on the ear and the age of each person. My Danish teacher is a translator and has been living in Spain for 2 decades, and she still has a faint accent. I’ve met people abroad who felt embarrased when speaking other languages just because they didn’t have a perfect accent, but they have no qualms about butchering grammar or expressing themselves poorly in their native language. I think it’s kind of funny, since most of them will never have a “perfect” accent anyways.

            Right now I’m in Denmark and I speak mostly English because I can only understand simple sentences and I have a limited vocabulary in Danish. Normally, when I try to speak in Danish, people answer me back in English or look at me as I’ve had grown three heads. It’s kind of depressing. xD But I like to think I’m improving a little.

            I hope you have a great time at your grandma’s and your friend’s! Those are two long journeys. 🙂

          • bronakopdin

            yeah I actually have the very same phenomenon going on ^^ feeling embarrassed when I’m actually talking English since my pronounciation is funny and then I have no troubles mixing up German dialects and grammar all the time xD Maybe it’s some kind of “mother tongue comfort zone”?
            I don’t know! And yeah I would have added Switzerland but I only know one person from there through a forum and we never “talked” yet only write in English and/or German so I guess it would be nice to listen to her at some point 🙂

            Uhh… But then at least the Danish people seem to speak a lot of English then! Actually I have the feeling not that many Germans are so good at English… at least not where I live, people avoid foreigners trying to talk to them in English a lot, it’s so sad to see, I try to help if I can :/

            So how long have you been in Denmark now? I guess you’re improving though! I mean you DO take lessons 🙂

      • bronakopdin

        thanks to you, too, Klaus! 🙂

    • Yes, his name is Cory. Manito is short for Hermanito, meaning Little Brother. Manito may be a litte more lose and sorta ‘little one/guy’.

      I don’t know a lot of Spanish at ALL, so someone could probably expand/say this better, but I know that adding ‘-ito’ to something masculine (-ita if it’s feminine) either indicates it’s someone or something smaller/younger/little .. and/or it’s meant affectionate/directly towards a specific person.

      • bronakopdin

        thanks for the explanation Danish! 🙂

    • Kate G

      If you want to know where, linguistically, Ivan comes from, it derives from the Greek name Ioannes. The Slavics changed the Greek form to a slightly different form and the modern version is Ivan. It’s generally a very Slavic name (so Eastern European/Russian.) Most people know Ivan the Terrible as the most famous Ivan. (http://www.behindthename.com/name/ivan) Considering we’re dealing with POC and they all speak Spanish, I’m guessing Ivan is from Spain or Mexico (Ivan isn’t nearly as popular as a name in Mexico, but it’s a very popular name in Spain.)

      • bronakopdin

        I’m actually studying Latin and Ancient Greek but I had no idea that Ivan derived from Ioannes!
        I mean we all know the more obvious derived forms (like Joanna as a female example and in German we add an “h” in the middle as in Johann or Johanna) but Ivan… you live and learn, thanks 🙂

        • Kate G

          I studied French but not names or Ancient French (just the language.) I look at Behind the Name if I’m curious at how a name is derived.

      • Michael

        It’s also a very popular name in New Zealand. (sorry, Niew Zullund)

  • Klaus

    In answer to Alex’ questions: no; no; they are, but because they are harder to trace than e.g. a bank transfer, not due to saying the word twice; that is what I would like to know.

  • John

    Can I just say how awesome you guys in here are? It really is like having a huge extended family (though I’m the quiet one in the corner usually)

    Thanks to everyone who has wished me well at my new job. Looking forward to becoming a Patreon with my first paycheck 🙂

    • jreed3842

      I love this community as well. Everyone is so friendly, and supportive!
      Being a Patreon is great! I was sooo happy when I finally had the funds to join!
      Congratulations again, John!!

    • bronakopdin

      I can really add to this 🙂
      It’s seldom to have such an awesome community on the web nowadays!
      Everyone is helpful, cheering and understanding!
      I’d wish to see this more often online!
      and congrats again 😀
      You should also fulfill a small wish of yours with your first paycheck!
      As a celebrity for yourself 🙂
      and if only just a small one!

      • Columbine

        I wonder why so many other comment sections/communities are unfriendly sometimes- Conscious effort of the creator is obviously a big thing (also having moderators) and size. I wonder if the atmosphere and issues in the story do something as well perhaps with the sort of outlook and readers they encourage? I say that cos I think this is the only comic/s I read that’s occasionally NSFW, touches on big issues and has a nice community.

        • bronakopdin

          maybe it has to do with comics but then I don’t read too many myself, yet those I do all have nice communities but this one is the biggest by far and also the only one where I seriously never encountered a bad impression in any way!
          Sure maybe this is just BECAUSE it is so big and I just can’t read everything… but still it noteworthy!
          I know communities from anime-related topics… sadly those are often sad to follow… not only Disqus comments also other ones, especially those kinds where you have to choose a username each time you post something! People go and use other people’s usernames, start a fight and then watch while making impossible comments on the sidelines… just encountered a site that recently closed comments completely…
          therefore I’m always happy to be HERE it’s just so different 🙂

          • Columbine

            One of the comics I read I’m pretty sure has no issues in the comments section because it’s so small. It hardly ever tops 100 comments. (The comic itself is doing very very well as shown by kickstarter goal being reached in a day, just most followers don’t comment, called Widdershins).

            I think despite the size you could read through most of the comments on ‘Young Protectors’ and not find anything rude or offensive or unfriendly. There’d be the occasional civilised disagreement may be. I can’t really look at the comments section of ‘Strong Female Protagonist’ at all, I stopped reading a ‘queer friendly’ comic I quite liked because the comments section was so…argumentative. ‘Stand Still Stay Silent’ is another one with a lovely, friendly comments section.

            Funny thing, both Widdershins and SSSS are safe for work, and I’d say may be 12A rating. SFP and the comic I stopped reading both seem to pride themselves on tackling ‘difficult’ themes and heavy topics, serious stuff. And I wonder if that encourages the arguements somehow, like the tone of the comic itself. But Yaoi 911 has tackled some pretty heavy topics itself- may be it’s because it’s a lighter touch? I don’t know.

          • bronakopdin

            I read a few comics where there are hardly 10 comments each page xD often only 2-3… of course there are no issues either 🙂
            of course noone knows how many people are just reading and lurking but maybe it’S better this way! Rather not post than starting a fight 🙂

            yeah that’s what I meant! This community is outstanding! I mean to disagree is not fighting or badmouthing, it’s a discussion, of yourse people will disagree here and there but it stays civilized and other people’s opinions are treated with respect and not with contempt! And that’s the big difference here 😀

            I don’t know the comics you mentioned (might check them out though if I have time, thanks for the sidelines recommandations :D) but I guess it also depends on what you already see there: I fthe people that are already posting respect each other then the following posters rather follow their example. If there are already people cursing around others rather tend to go with the flow sadly…
            It’s like a fire in the savannah…
            that’s not an excuse, rather what I noticed….

          • Columbine

            I know what you mean.

            I didn’t notice swearing or anything like that particularly in the communities/comics I highlighted for bad comment-sections. It was just a very unwelcoming and argumentative atmosphere. The one I stopped reading- there was a core of commenters and if you didn’t agree exactly then it meant you were ignorant and had to be educated. Usually by several people in the mob with a tone of respect being rare rather than expected. I sort of feel bad for accepting it as the way things were done there as long as I did.

            Similarly to SFP it was mostly around issues of various minority rights and politics. I think those sorts of toxic ‘debates’ must be pretty discouraging to the creators who make these things for us. And I wonder if *that* discouragement stifles debate. I sort of worry about it a bit- I want to have a go at doing this one day and I’m not sure I could put up with some of these ‘discussions’ landing in my inbox.

          • bronakopdin

            So you’re planning on doing an own webcomic someday? That’s awesome! Yet what I think an author can do is provide the exact tone he expects from their readers: always being polite, maybe explicitly mention that you rather not have people biting each other! If they respect you they’ll follow your wishes I think 🙂 It’s at least worth a try!

          • Columbine

            It is worth a try. (Once I finally finish my thesis-) Alex has talked about the author setting the tone before and I think that is important. It’s just worrying how quickly things online can escalate. About ridiculous things sometimes. So when you’re actually inviting them to look at an issue most people get passionate about disagreements seem inevitable…as does a certain degree of incivility I guess.

            Also I’m sort of from all over, I know I don’t have a ‘normal’ viewpoint for any of my cultures and I’m not US: there tends to be an assumption that if you’re on the internet speaking English you somehow should be. I’ve had bad responses from people online because, essentially, I’m not from the same culture I didn’t see things the same way they did. While I’m not going to let it stop me I get the impression that putting a ‘different’ view out there online is often an opening for abuse.

          • bronakopdin

            I wonder if that has anything to do with people being form US though… I’m German myself and seriously there are disagreements from people from wherever. Now I can’t say our “culture” is that much different from the US in comparison to someone who might be from Asia or something but still we’re kinda different here in Europe but even within Europe there are still so many differences…

            actually it might be a cliche that people always think the rude people on the net are all from the US ^^’

          • Columbine

            That’s…not exactly what I meant. You’re right, it is a cliche to assume it’s the Americans being rude. And rudeness online isn’t to do with being from the US (because if you get any group large enough some of them will be dicks).

            But I wasn’t really trying to refer to a specific place so much as an attitude. It’s not even to do with being rude entirely, it’s assumptions that because things are a certain way in one place it’s the same everywhere else-

            It’s people correcting me to ‘Native American’ when I say ‘Indian’ without stopping to think about that place in Asia. It’s people telling me what my race is based on what makes sense in their part of the world rather than what makes sense in mine or how I should respond to bombings back home (that one was an English guy). It’s people who’ve never been to the Middle East telling me how wrong the veil is and trying to educate me about how the way women are portrayed on TV and in the movies is a major feminist issue. (I’m sure it’s a problem but it’s difficult to put into perspective when the issues you grew up with were things like….toilets and women getting thrown out of hospitals cos they weren’t with a man when they were injured- that’s not an exaggeration).

            My parents are from opposite ends of Europe and I grew up in Saudi Arabia surrounded by people from India and Pakistan. I’ve been lucky enough to travel a lot, and I know that’s not open to most people in even the richest parts of the world. I’m also from a strange enough background that I can’t really go through life with the assumption that anyone is ‘like me’. I know that it’s unrealistic to expect anything online to reflect my viewpoint/background, but it…it’s unpleasant being told that it doesn’t exist or it doesn’t matter. And that happens more often then you might think, especially online. Basically I don’t like being implicitly or explicitly asked to justify my existence online (for being mixed/ex-pat/multicultural/whatever) anymore than I like being asked to justify it offline for being an immigrant. And well- I’m sure Alex being gay was a major factor in wanting to write comics with gay heroes, comics he probably would have liked to read. I know my background affects the issues I’m interested in and what I write. And my experience online essentially tells me I can expect…..a whole host of negative responses because of that.

          • bronakopdin

            Well if you say you experienced so much rudeness only because of your pretty awesome background (sorry but I really think it is awesome!) you sure have my condolences… I wonder why actually but maybe that’s because I’m so openminded ^^
            I can tell you that as a German I’m often hearing Nazi stuff online though… while in fact I’m the opposite of that >_>’

          • Columbine

            I kind of think being from a lot of places is awesome too so thank you 🙂 (Although right now I think a lot of people with strong ties to the Middle East are…sad seems to small a term-)

            I can imagine. And frankly it’s a pretty horrible thing to make jokes about or try to insult someone with. I admire modern Germany for it’s attitude to history actually: I very much get the impression that you’re determined not to forget the horrible things Germans have done and to make sure they never happen again. Which is more progress and learning from history than many countries, certainly greater progress than any of mine.

          • bronakopdin

            I can imagine! Though it’s kinda the same as with Germany 70 years ago… some people started sth, now everyone related is made responsible…
            I can say we always have to be cautious and yes at least I try to learn from history! Sadly right now there are some ongoings here realted to xenophobia… and of course within Europe it’s frowned upon like “there the true face shows again” and stuff… it’s crap but try to explain the details and backgrounds ^^’ it’s hard.. I’m stricly against xenophobia whatsoever! first: noone chooses as to what they are born into and second: noone leaves their “home” just like that everyone has a reason, may it be escaping from bad circumstances or seeing a chance to lead a better life somewhere else, yet it’s not an easy decision so I really wonder why people still can be that paranoid… funnily the most common “reasons” all the haters present are total opposities: either it’s said they steal our workplaces so no “German” gets a job (so what, it’s not like a boss employs due to a nation, but it’s due to the abilities or at least it should be) or it’s said they only live off our taxes from federal support… (which is true to some point BUT the thing is after immigrating there is a restriction by law so they are not alloud(!) to get a job for a certain period of time… which is crap since that way they kinda “learn” to live off the stat, no wonder some don’t bother looking for a job after the period ended…) so stupid alltogether…
            sorry for going on about this, I’m actually pretty unsatisfied with how things are for foreigners here at times… it’s different though if you got a job before you came here! in that case there is no problem thank god…

    • Adam Black

      Then let me be the first to wish you good skill.
      Luck tends to run out.

      • John

        Thanks.

  • Chris Dangerfield

    My Latin husband, who now admits to casually and cooly reading this comic over my shoulder on some (ALL) weeks, is a first generation American-Mexican. He was quite impressed with the mix of English / Spanish culture shown here.

    As a “pocho” as he says a first generation is often called, there will be a constant Spanglish language mix. The parents often speak Spanish at home and English (mostly with accent) out. The adult kids speak often English and the lucky ones hang on to their Spanish. They often have a mix of names (this is the over 30s) that flux between names that cross-over, i.e. Gus / Gustavo or Veronica / Ronnie / Vero and then sometimes they might seem American, such as just Joe (Joseph). Then the under 30 (now) generation and THEIR young kids often have very anglo-ish names — Michelle, Jake, Victoria.

    Then depending on which generation and how long the family has been in America you find all kinds of Manny’s, Diego’s etc… And he just knows Mexico. He says it can go all over from there if the family is from South / Latin America, Cuba, Chile etc…

    And then there are all the diminutives. So, almost any name can warp and change as the baby grows up or from big brothers and sisters to little. In addition the first generation parents had KIDS… so when there are 6-9 kids there is a huge age range, and the oldest get roped into parenting the young ones, and that creates pet names of a whole other order. It also means that sometimes your ‘older’ brother like DIEGO is your hero and has protected you from many other older siblings while growing up. This can create great major loyalties within the family. Cory might indeed follow Diego into a LOT of trouble. Just sayin’.

    I didn’t ask him who he was thinking of. LOL.

    All to say, he thought the ethnic mix on this page was very good… from his POV. HA! I’d take that as a compliment from my dude. 😀

    • Sapfo

      Seems like this page got the “hubbie approved” stamp on it 😉

      • Chris Dangerfield

        Very much so……. (although Kyle is still the HOT one. LOL)

    • Very cool. I’m obviously glad to get your hubbie’s stamp of approval. But I think I’m even more delighted to hear that y’all are now reading it together. 🙂

      • Chris Dangerfield

        Ha! So true. My dude fakes the ‘casual perusal’ … “Oh just checking out your comic-thing.”

        I must admit I’ve casually worked the, “Oh? You mean, this evolving draft of a GRAPHIC NOVEL that just happens to be racially, culturally and LGBTQIA aware? ……. This old thing? Sure come see…….”

        Mwaaahahahahaha… said the spider to the fly. “Come for the intellectual import and stay for Kyle’s awesome tush!” (so not a comic book, naawwwww). LOL.

        • davefragments

          More like Kiss of the Spider Woman. . .
          😉

    • Columbine

      Didn’t pick up on any of the subtleties there but none of it struck me as odd/unusual. So now I’m wondering if there are commonly similar portrayals of Mexicans in other stuff. (European, so perhaps I’m just used to seeing similar sibling relationships/stupidly-huge-families in other groups?)

  • Soirbleu

    Oh so he’s a telekinetic?

    • Klaus

      That is what they want you to think …

  • bronakopdin

    Ha! So it’s nearly expanding to be a name if everyone in your family calls you that 😀
    thanks for explaining more, Dennis! 🙂

  • Melinda M

    Ok this might be totally off base, but Cory REALLY reminds me of Spooky. Or am I seeing something that’s not there?

  • Kate G

    Come on Cory, make the right choice! Or at least hold out long enough for Mitch to swoosh in!

    There is no such thing as just breaking down a door! Nope. You haven’t the faintest idea of who is behind that door. You keep resisting that idea!

    I rode two horses today! I rode Apollo (aka He Who Thinks He Is a Mule) and Scooby. I will say I much prefer Scooby. Apollo is very frustrating. I’d get him into a trot (after much kicking and a few goes with the stick) and then he’d quit on me 10 seconds after even WITH ME KICKING HIM!!!! ARGH!!! HORSES! Okay, fine, more like stubborn, old, retired police horses. Stubborn old thing. Scooby was a breeze after him. I had him trotting in circles the rest of my lesson. Funny thing, everything seems easier after you had a frustrating horse the first 20 minutes.

  • Ninhursag

    Sorry Alex, but nothing Diego says will assure me, this will end up bad.

  • Chris Dangerfield

    BECAUSE I’M SO GOOD AT PREDICTING, I THOUGHT I’D HELP.

    Diego: “… Just do what you have to do. They’re bad people, they deserve what they get.”

    Cory: But, Diego what if they’re NUNS! Catholic nuns, running a hospital for orphaned children and I blow a big hole in their wall… what if they get MAD?

    Diego:

    Cory: Diego?

    Diego: If THAT happens Manito. Then you run. RUN like the wind and the hounds of hell are after you. Nuns are bad juju.

    Cory: Diiiiieeegggo… what if they have those RULARS!

    Diego: Manito… you have to stop this thinking. You’ll make yourself crazy bro. Just do it.

    Cory: …………………… I’m scared.

    Diego: Damn. You had to say nuns.

    Ivan: Shut up you two or I’m shooting someone.

    Cory: *faints*

    Diego: Aww, now look what you did.

  • jreed3842

    Just popping in real quick so say I’ll hopefully be able to join the camp tonight. I just got home, and still gotta do a lot of stuff!
    So I’ll be in as soon as I can.
    If I do happen to miss it, then, enjoy the camp, everyone!

  • Waiting for Mitch to swoop in and save the day. ^_^ And offer to have Cory

    stay at his place. Mitch is a growing teenage boy, no one will notice if he starts “eating” more….

  • Tyler Griffin

    Almost forgot to camp!

  • Doki decided to re-watch Blood+ again earlier. *sigh* Why does Haji have to be a fictional character?

    • Tyler Griffin

      lol. I’m currently waiting on Minecraft to download, so no fictional characters to swoon over here. yet.

      • I swear, I re-fall in love with Haji every single time I watch Blood+.

        • Tyler Griffin

          You know, that reminds me of this thing I saw on tumblr a couple of time that I love, and I so totally want to see be a thing. An anime that start off with two main characters, a girl and a boy, being born. They are born with weird hair colors, so the parents know immediately that their children are meant to be protagonists in an anime, so they do the only sensible thing, raise them to immediately be suspicious of any thing unusual and immediately put a stop to it. And the whole series is these two going through their adolescence and various troped anime starts keep happening and they are just having NONE of it. The girl is given a really ornate and expensive looking locket by a mysterious stranger on her first day of high school, it starts glowing, she immediately pulls out a hammer and smashes it to piece. “I will NOT be your magical girl!” The guy encounters a book of occult magic and immediately blessed it, then burns it, counters all spells cast int he area and scatters the ashes. “No demon invasions threatening humanity TODAY!”

  • jreed3842

    *Slides in all cool like* I made it!! I also made chocolate chip cookies. And WAAAY more than I anticipated. So… *gives them all away to my fellow campers*

    • Tyler Griffin

      *tsk tsk* You know better. “If you give a mouse a cookie…”

      • Pietro7

        “…may I have a glass of milk? Chocolate makes me thirsty.” 🙂

  • davefragments

    almost missed camping

  • davefragments

    Who is here?

  • davefragments