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The Young Protectors: Engaging The Enemy Flyboy Bonus Comic—Page 18

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Gosh, I sure hope Ivan gets his money. Fingers crossed!

This weekend I’m going to be at YaoiCon 2015 in San Francisco (at the Hyatt Regency San Francisco Airport)! I’ll have advance copies of The Young Protectors books for sale along with special and new sexy prints and cards (and, of course, I’ll have Artifice books as well!). I’d love to see some friendly faces while I’m there. (And maybe even some TYP cosplay!) Please look for me in the corner of the Dealer’s Hall at Booth #1! 🙂

In other news, Patrons have been voting on which two characters will appear in the next Sexy Pairing Painting (the first one paired Deacon and Kyle) and tomorrow night, I’ll be revealing who they chose for the first half of that pairing. (HINT: Spooky is winning by a mile.) But one vote down means I’ll soon be sending out the voting link for the second half of the pairing — and if you join now, you’ll get to vote for who that is! Which one of my characters from any of my comics would you like to see in a sexy way with the Spookster?

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So! Looks like Cory isn’t going to be squashing Ivan like a bug. At least not soon. And Flyboy is giving himself low marks for how he’s handled this so far. What’s our young hero going to do next? And how will it possibly make things better?

Tune in this Saturday to find out! Hope to see you there! 😀

  • Bad boy, Ivan. He’s a real piece of work. wonder if he’s a mob enforcer cheating his boss.

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Aw, thought I had that one for a minute there! Good job, Danish!

      • I JUST turned up, and loaded the page link. When it turned to page 18 right away I thought I was late, and the page had been up early. So I read the page only to scroll down to 0 comments. Then I suddently got busy LOL

        • Chris Dangerfield

          That’s what I said. 🙂

      • Chris Dangerfield

        Well, see, she tripped over the bed and landed on her keyboard and it just magically………. *snort*…… 😀

    • davefragments

      Congratulations.

      • Thank you, a very surprising one. Very good timing getting out of bed today 🙂

    • Chris Dangerfield

      A fresh young un-spoiled page for the Wolf. Congrats!

  • stickfigurefairytales

    Throw a rock at him, Mitch!

    • davefragments

      All I can say is that disqus has bovine spongiform encephalopathy.

      • stickfigurefairytales

        Nah, I think Danish beat me.

        • davefragments

          True. My version of disqus seems to require multiple reloads of the same page tonight.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Yeah, it took me a few refreshes before Danish’s comment showed up too.

          • That’s why I was wondering if I really showed up to a 0 comments page, because I wasn’t scrolling down fast, and if it could still be 0 comments once I got my comment done. Page must have been up at least a minute.
            Disqus always makes the first few minutes on a new page interesting 🙂

          • stickfigurefairytales

            So very true.

  • davefragments

    Lots of regrets, remorse, self doubt — that don’t help no one.
    Nothing like bucking up your courage and acting like you aren’t scared…

  • Danny

    I brought tissues. Poor Cory…

  • *is confident Mitch will think of something…..please don’t prove Doki wrong Mitch*

    • davefragments

      I think you should stock up on tissues. Mitch is going to lose something in a rather awful way in the next few pages. He was in tears at the “truth or dare” chapter. So this wasn’t a success.

      • ? I don’t really remember any tears. I remember him acting guilty and a little shifty when admitting his secret, but I don’t remember him crying at all. Not over his after hours hero work.

        I just re-read that section and still don’t see any tears in that section.

        • stickfigurefairytales

          Agreed. I’m pretty sure he was speaking from a position of something tragic not having resulted yet from his off-the-clock vigilantism. But we’ll see I guess.

        • davefragments

          I was thinking of this page. It’s an almost. But I concede that he didn’t get tears.
          http://webcomics.yaoi911.com/typ/ete-tod-page-15/

          • Hmmmm, I just see that Mitch reacting to Tsu-Tsu trying to make him feel as bad as possible. Mitch looks up to Tsu-Tsu and here he is making Mitch feel bad for doing his best to make sure as little injury as possible occurs.

            Hmmmmmm……maybe I should set up a room for Tsu-Tsu to teach him how not to be an a** hat.

          • davefragments

            Mitch has got to grow.
            Tsunami has got to learn not to be so hard on everyone.

          • Klaus

            On that page Mitch says that he never really hurt anyone, as far as he knows. That could be about to change.

          • davefragments

            Either that or when all is finished and the crime prevented, Cory tells Mitch to “get lost” in uncivil and profane terms and never come back. I’m not sure which would be more hurtful for Mitch.

      • IDK why, but until last week I was sure this story happened in between the ToD and main story timeline. Only thing I know for sure is Alex saying it was before the main story (in artist comment on page 1), but I must have missed or forgotten him saying it was before the ToD comic as well – since some of you guys say it was before both.

        • I actually don’t remember if it was said if this happens before ToD. I just know that it happens before EtE. For all we know it could happen after ToD and before EtE.

          • That’s what I’ve been thinking. There’s a few months timeline span between ToD and the main EtE arc, and since Mitch had recently turned 15 when the EtE started (and is 15 here), I’ve been thinking it happened very recently before the main story.

            After all, Mitch don’t remember ‘fessing up during the ToD, so I guess he’s continuing as usual. Hmm, and guess this beeing a very recent even before the main arc could explain some of Mitch’s sensitivity about not wanting to be the one who screws up.

          • Michael

            I agree this is probably after ToD but before the main EtE story.

            Because Like I said a few pages back, if this were before the ToD comic, AND something terrible happens in this arc, Mitch’s confession would have been a whole lot darker. As it is, if this happens after the ToD, then obviously Mitch couldn’t have confessed to making a bad situation a whole lot worse and risking the life of a former friend in the process.

            I’m still holding out for a happy ending, though. After all this angst and anxiety, I’m in serious need of some Mitch/Cory love.

        • davefragments

          I didn’t remember the TOD as clearly as I should have.
          As for the time of this story, I thought it was before the TOD and before the main story of TYP. The reason for that bit of logic is that Mitch seemed to “confess” in TOD to doing things like this and at the start of the main story when the guys are surfing the made up pictures on the internet, Mitch seems so different.

  • jreed3842

    *Walks in with marshmallows and chocolate and is all excited for camping*
    *Notices I completely missed camping*
    *Takes the marshmallows and chocolate and goes back inside*
    … But anyway…
    I really, really wanna see Ivan get his butt kicked!

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Yeah, it was an early page tonight. But we can still enjoy delicious marshmallows!

  • *Reads Alex’ page note* …. WTF? I managed to forget to vote on the pairing o.O Somehow I missed that one in my inbox. Good thing Spooky seems to be the winning man, since he’d have gotten my vote too.

    • Saxon_Brenton

      Heh. Yes, it should be an interesting pic, with the two front runners – Spoky and Annihilator – making out.
      What? Oh, there’ll be a separate vote for the second character? Okay then.
      Maybe in the next round Aando will be included. That would be a fan-favourite pairing.
      On the other hand, it occurs to me that an amusing option would be if Alex left Mr Jones on the next poll, for the possibility of Spooky using magic to make out with himself. (Why, yes, this is a notion that only just ocurred to me, but now that I think about it I suspect that Spooky *is* enough of a narcicist to romance himself)

      • o_o Anni was/is 2nd place? I haven’t even seen the poll, so didn’t know that. That would be an interesting, and weird, combo.. but then, so was Kyle/Deacon 😉
        I’ll say this again, since we now sems we get Spooky, for 2nd round VOTE AMANDA!

        • Saxon_Brenton

          It was when I looked a few days ago. Lemme check again.
          391 responses. Spooky Jones at 34.5%, Anni at 20.2%, followed distantly by everybody else in single digits, with the best being Jeff at 8.18%

    • Sapfo

      Do you think we can get Spooky with Spooky? doubled spooky goodness =D
      And happy V Danish!

      • Saxon_Brenton

        I strongly suspect that the best hope of that would be fanart 🙂

      • That will be an option, if folks want to make that happen. 🙂

        • Sapfo

          There can never be to much Spooky! 🙂

          • Chris Dangerfield

            fact!

        • Chris Dangerfield

          (whispers) Anaado…………….

      • Michael

        I’ve been hoping from the start of this poll for the possibility of “Spooky x his glowing magical tentacles”, but that’s apparently too niche.

  • Sapfo

    Was kind of hopping that Mitch might show some new powers. Like stopping bullets kind of powers. But it seems this might not be so.

    Happy con weekend =D

    • We’ll see you there, Alex! 😀

      • Yes, we will see you there, Alex!

        • Very much looking forward to it! (And for anyone who is coming, please let me know both your Disqus and regular names so I can make the connections! 🙂 )

          • Sapfo

            We will make sure you will know =D

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Sapfo will be the women carrying the huge bowl of strawberries…

          • Sapfo

            Yes, I do like my berries close at hand 🙂

          • Michael

            If I ever make it to the US (or conversely, you come down for OzComiCon (Melbourne, June 11-12, 2016!) that shouldn’t be a problem for me 😀

  • Connor

    Something about the captions on that last panel makes me think about old film noirs.

    No clue why.

    • davefragments

      I hadn’t thought of that but yes, now that you mention it. It does.

    • I do like me some old film noir…

      • Chris Dangerfield

        HA! Well we HAD noticed Spooky’s modern version of such apparel…

        SPOOKY NARRATION: “Yeah, it was just me in my darkened office drowning my sorrows in a Cherry Cola… until SHE knocked on my door. The dame was dark, dangerous and too gorgeous for my own good. Just what I didn’t need right now, a doll like her complicating my life again…”

        “Spooky… it’s Amanda! Open the damn door before I kick it in. I need to talk with you.”

        “And, just like that SHE walked into my life…”

        Yeah, I think we could get to like some old noir too. LOL!

    • Michael

      *cue slow saxophone music*

    • davefragments

      This is one of those old film noir — soundtrack by Miles Davis.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3io0Ttj74Ro

  • Starfighter just updated 🙂

  • I hope Cory’s emotional state won’t have him blow the place up when trying to use his powers. I don’t think being upset and being untrained in control is a good combo. Well, if it has the safe fall down on Ivan, I might change my mind about that 😉

    I hope Mitch comes up with a plan that will work soon, because at some point there will have to be police, or more bad guys, coming around.
    A whole wall being blasted in, gun shots and a security guard on the loose. Yeah, there’s a timeframe here, because either or will draw attention to this.

  • Alex, is this bonus comic set before or after the ToD? I know it’s before EtE, but I thought after ToD.

    • Klaus

      If we are told it is before, we will know that Mitch is not going to hurt anyone (per the link Davefragments posted below). I don’t expect such a spoiler. As you point out yourself below, Mitch being 15 means that this is very close to the main storyline. Also, I don’t think Mitch would have been quite so blasé about breaking the rules in the ToD if this had already happended.

  • Klaus

    Could we have Anaado on the second poll? Please?

    • Chris Dangerfield

      I looked for him too!!!! SO YES!! PLEASE.

    • We haven’t gotten a clear look at him yet, so I was holding off. But I can do that.

      • Klaus

        Ah yes. We only got that one glimpse of him in the background. I clean forgot that. The artist would not have much to work with.

  • Diviana

    I wonder if this is the event that got Mitch kicked off an official team.

    • Klaus

      The answer is on page 2.

      • Diviana

        It’d been awhile since I read that page I totally forgot. Thanks.

      • Chris Dangerfield

        Honestly, Klaus, where were you when I was in University? If only you’d been sitting right behind me whispering in my ear during exams. Dang… you always have the right answer. Nice work. 😀

  • Michael

    Solution: Fly in, grab Ivan, use ‘preserved momentum’ thing to throw him into the next district.

    • Chris Dangerfield

      I’m listening… go on…

  • Aitsuki

    I say again: well, shit.

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Hear hear!

  • Jeldenil

    It’s time that Diego discovers his superpowers and turns that gun into a lollipop. No? That wasn’t the plot?

    • Chris Dangerfield

      That’s my go to place any time I get mugged… AND then I suddenly remember I don’t HAVE any super-powers and ‘DOH! I mean that sux. It really sux.

      “Hey kids. Make lollipops not war!”

  • Ninhursag

    New update, yay, nice thing to wake up to it ^^

  • Kate G

    Um, gang buddy dude….it might help if you were actually, uh, holding that gun straight. Point blank or no, holding it at a slight angle like in the movies is, um, only going to hurt YOU in the long run. You know, cause when you shoot that gun (which you seem not to know how to shoot) it moves as you press the trigger which means it can prove to be the vital few millimeters to COMPLETELY miss Cory’s brother and because of the recoil, you are going to really mess up your wrist because you are holding it all wonky donk. Seriously, dude, you are a complete newb to the gun world. Two hands, at all times. It doesn’t matter if it’s a shotgun, a rifle, a semi-automatic pistol or a revolver, you always use two hands….and your dad if you’re five years old, holding a rifle and trying to take down “baddies” on Armed Forces Day in Texas (how did a story of Armed Forces Day get in here?)

    ANYWAY, all Cory really needs to do if give gang buddy a good nudge to the left or right for the gun to fall out of Mr. GB’s hand. At least….in theory. Your grip on a gun is weakest when your holding it up and to the side, but he is being a bozo so his grip should be weaker than it should be. He’s got it all wrong: bad posture, bad grip, bad everything. My dad would be throwing textbooks at him.

    • Klaus

      Is there anything Ivan is good at? Other than making enemies, I mean.

      • Kate G

        One. Being a loud mouthed idiot.

        • Michael

          And emulating the gangsters in cop shows.

      • Chris Dangerfield

        holding guns sidewise?

        • Kate G

          Well, he is good at doing that. I bet he’s mighty good at shooting himself in the foot too.

    • Michael

      New plan! Flyboy zooms to the nearest bookshop, grabs some gun safety textbooks, flies way up as high and he can go, then accelerates to Mach 1 on the descent, hurling the books at Ivan when he gets close enough to aim.

      It’s perfect! Except that a textbook impacting at the speed of sound would probably decapitate him in an explosion of papercuts…

      • Klaus

        The pen is mightier than the sword.

        • Michael

          Even better! Get a bunch of sharp-tipped fountain pens and lob them at him at super-speed! They might stab his hand and make him drop the gun!

          • Chris Dangerfield

            My goodness… so creative and so bloodthirsty. I LIKE IT!

          • Well, Ivan did make the mistake of injuring Mitch…

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Well the fact that Ivan was willing to face the WRATH of the Doki is surely an example of his mental deficiency. He’s doomed m’lady DOOOOOMED. 😀

          • Yep. I would dole out worse to PP, but I am not sure if I have anything to contain her. Would also need a way remove her powers and/or abilities. Sending her to hell is a no go because she would take over and she doesn’t need any more power.

        • Chris Dangerfield

          But shorter, so the wielder needs longer arms.

          • Michael

            Or better footwork. Just need to get inside the sword’s reach, then aim for soft tissue (eyes, nostrils, throat, temples, carotid artery, brachial artery, lower point of the brachial plexus nerve cluster, etc…).

          • Chris Dangerfield

            HA! Never have a pen-fight with a medical practitioner. Agh, I get it. 😀

          • Michael

            Not a medical practitioner. Martial artist.

            *innocent smile*

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Same thing… just with better drugs and rubber gloves… (*grins*)

          • Michael

            “Medicine in one dose is poison in another”

            Definitely don’t want to be starting a blood feud with a medical professional. Or a chemist.

      • davefragments

        Dropping the books on his head would knock more sense in to him.

        • Michael

          Is that something we want, though? A sensible, intelligent Ivan?

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Now that’s a good question. Maybe… if so, he might be in medical school now instead of here… and making his mother so proud.

          • Or he might be a more intelligent crook.

        • Chris Dangerfield

          Be honest, has that ever worked for you? I just get a headache…

          • davefragments

            Don’t know. Never tried.
            🙂

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Well it’s not something I’VE TRIED on purpose… there was that time with the bookcase collapse, but to be fair that wasn’t a scientifically fair example. I will admit to sleeping with books under my pillow the night before exams… HEY! we (accidentally) went out and had a “few” drinks instead of studying and I sorta FORGOT to study and there was this boy and and and… so I figured a little osmosis wisdom, seeping up through my pillow, was better than NO study at all… RIGHT?

            (I will say the results were somewhat mixed… rather like a really worthless climate change debate… :D)

    • davefragments

      I share your pain. . .
      Most crooks merely pick up guns, point, and shoots. That’s it. i doubt that they clean them with nice tidy kits or unload them, even. It’s only recently that I see police shows where the regained people carry guns with both hands, pointed down, and fire that way. It was only one handed for many years. And they did it with 45 caliber monsters, or 357 magnums that had the kick of a mule.

      • Kate G

        YES! I think that’s why my dad only watched Cops (the show where real cps arrested baddies) for so long and not “cop dramas.” Everyone held guns wrong. I still notice it on occasion but I just sigh now. People who grew up around guns or handle them on a daily basis know that’s just not right.

        The worst one is honestly actors putting rifles/shotguns on their biceps. *head hits desk* There are two ways to work with rifles and shotguns: you can rest them on your shoulder (which most men choose to do) or your waist (which can be easier for women.) Biceps/the top of your arm (not touching the shoulder) is just plain WRONG.

        • davefragments

          Most people who never fire guns at targets don’t know what position is best to aim. When I owned guns and I could shoot targets, I learned that. A gun kicks, even with 22 ammo, it kicks. A 357 or a 45 kicks so hard that people have been know to bash the gun to their heads thanks to the kickback. Those people shouldn’t have a gun in their hands. BTW – I don’t shoot targets anymore. Other people built houses nearby (that’s like 1000 plus feet away) and I could never be sure their kids weren’t around.

          • Kate G

            Definitely. We own a few different caliber guns, but my mom shoots a .22 because it’s known to have less recoil; if I wanted to learn how to shoot, that’s what I would be shooting. I have such weak wrists though that shooting really isn’t something that is recommended for me. I’ve always said I’d hit a baddie with a frying pan or scissors or something like that. These are things I work with all of the time. I’d be useless with a gun.

            My parents and my brother (when he does shoot) don’t shoot targets in the backyard. They go to a nearby range. My dad often shoots with his Navy SEAL buddy with his .22 or .45. He cleans whichever ones he uses after he uses them. Once or twice a year all of the guns come out for a “spa day.” You can smell when it’s Gun Spa Day at my house. It’s such a distinct smell.

          • davefragments

            When I moved to my house in 1979, I was the only house on 20 acres and one of three houses on 40 acres. There were no kids. Within five years, six houses were built and all with kids. That’s when I got rid of my guns.
            Frying pans are nice.

          • Kate G

            Wow. That’s a lot of construction in five years! I’ve always lived either on a military base or suburban so I’ve never known what it’s like to have neighbors THAT far away!

          • davefragments

            I say to people that Me, the deer and the squirrels enjoy the yard, they think I’m joking. I’m not. In fact, Bambi visits each spring. Cute and adorable until they grow up and eat the flowers and gardens and twigs and buds…

          • Michael

            Nice! My brother has a mob of kangaroos that hang around on his front lawn. The upside is he never has to mow the lawn.

          • davefragments

            When my dog was alive, he used to go outside and roll in the piles of deer-droppings. Then I had to give him a bath.

          • Michael

            Eww. He must have liked the smell?

          • davefragments

            I sure as hell didn’t like it.

          • Klaus

            Dogs want to smell strongly. They will roll ion anything with a strong smell. It is just that they have more oportunities to roll in droppings than in perfume.

          • Kate G

            Frankly, they want to smell like their surroundings and their prey so they can sneak up on them. If they smell like their prey, their prey won’t suspect a thing until it’s too late. I know ALL about this. #dogsmellslikerabbit

          • Kate G

            My dog and whatever daring squirrels and rabbits visit our yard. Daring because my dog is a terrier and, uh, she hunts them down. She has a kill record to maintain, you know. Although, this year has been a rather bad year in terms of killing vermin because of her cancer. She’ll get back to stirring up trouble and making sure our yard stays rabbit free again soon…

  • Pikinanou

    I’m sure you still have time to punch him at Mach 2 speed, Mitch.:P DO IT!

  • timemonkey

    Huh, I didn’t get notification for this page, weird.

  • Krondor2000

    Should have attack while he was flapping his lips.

  • Jason Moon

    Man, other then saying Ivan needs to severely die, I got nothin’.

  • Chris Dangerfield

    Wow, I think our puppies are not in their happy place. Here we are in another moment when I honestly don’t know what’s going to happen next. Is this a voting situation? Because, I vote for Ivan to have a romantic evening with Laampros and for our boys to get out and go get a soothing hot chocolate. I’m okay if Diego gets a really good slap, ’cause I think he just needs one for being a super sucky big brother.

    Poor Mitch, fifteen year olds aren’t usually known for their oh-so-crafty subtlety, and he’s just proved he’s 15. I hope Mitch and Cory figure out a way to disable the stinky Ivan, without having to carry a load of guilt around — I have the feeling that if Cory were the bad guy, there would be Ivan-splatter all about by now… for threatening Diego if nothing else. However, these two young dudes clearly have tender hearts (a bit of pre-date Kyle). So, I’d hate to have them live with doing the hard thing (whatever that is).

    Golly, I’m soft and gentle today. It must be because I’m all happy that tomorrow is page day. Yup! Blood thirsty Chris will return, but not this morning. I’ve clearly not had enough coffee yet. 😀

    Thank you as always Alex, Adam and Veronica. The page is tense, emotional, gorgeous and, as always, just a smidgen tricksy. I can’t wait to see who dies next. HA!

    • Thank you for another one of your very thoughtful reactions, Chris. You’ve got me grinning again after a rough day. (And I’ll see about setting up that Ivan/Laampros date for you… 😉 )

    • Klaus

      Hopefully we have a threesome picture coming up. Who to include with Ivan and Laampros? Killer maybe. Killer would get my vote for least sexy YP character. How about the Platitude Priestess?

      A slightly more realistic continuation: Mitch whisks away Cory for a cup of chocolate just as Hunter and Killer arrives to mop up.

  • Klaus

    I just saw a quote on another site, which has nothing to do with YP, and yet may explain why Diego got Cory into this. Blood is thicker than water. “Thick” is British slang for stupid.

    • Kate G

      Well, yes, “thick” is slang for “stupid” in Britain, but that’s not what the saying means. In the very early days it mean, “a bond I’ve made by sharing blood [via a blood sacrifice, sharing blood with that person, exchanging blood, etc] is more important to me than those related to me by blood.”

      It got it’s modern day meaning–which is the opposite of its original–sometime in the 19th century.

      I’m actually more of the opinion Diego used to be a friend of Cory’s until recently. He may have found out he wasn’t all he said he was and it created a falling out; this is him creating a hostage situation. I think the quote that works more (in my opinion, anyway) is, “showing one’s true colors” which is a naval expression.

      If you want the full explanation for each saying (which hasn’t been simplified), you may go here:
      http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/02/the-origin-of-7-common-phrases/

      • Klaus

        I am not at all convinced. The earliest quote given is. “Kin-blood is not spoilt by water.” Here blood is explicitly related with kin.

        But that is moot point. Today the saying refers to blood relatives, Diego is of the same blood as Cory. And he is “thick” indeed.

  • Just letting people know that we all made it safely to San Francisco/YaoiCon. It’s been a really long day for us coming from Europe, but it’s now midnight here, and Sapfo, Gryphon, Starr, Puzzle, Lover and I are saying goodnight to each other here in our rooms.
    Looking forward to all the fun overr tyjhe next days 🙂

  • purplefoxglove

    The night before this page, I had a dream of which I can only remember that Alex said that “Spooky has an ass so hot that it would make even the most prude person in existence droll all over themselves.” I woke up, saw the update, read Alex’ comment about Spooky winning the first vote, and had a giggle fit.

    Anyways…I call for empiric evidence. 😉

    • Hear, Hear!

    • Michael

      Too bad you didn’t dream OF Spooky’s ass.

      I had a dream a while back that I was Spooky’s hat. Hogwarts Sorting Hat style.

      • purplefoxglove

        Ha! That’s an awesome dream 😀

    • Cman65

      here is mine

      • purplefoxglove

        I think Danish called dibs on him a long,long time ago…but in the end, it’s up to Spooky 😉

  • It is probably going to be a quiet night, people having all sorts of fun at Yaoi Con.

    • Michael

      I can only imagine what kind of ‘fun’ goes on at a convention specifically for yaoi. 😛

      • And we are missing out on it.

        T-T

        Alex posted on twitter and facebook his booth. His booth is…..NSFW

        https://twitter.com/alexwoolfson

        • Michael

          OMG, is that sexy Kyle/Spooky? Hope we get to see more details of it soon. ᶘ○་།○ᶅ

          • Tyler Griffin

            Looks like it

          • Michael

            *nosebleed intensifies*

      • Saxon_Brenton

        Talking about their favourite creators &/or series &/or storylines &/or characters &/or crossover fanfic ideas, and generally going squee? I know that’s what I’d count as fun.

    • Tyler Griffin

      I’m here. LoL

      • Michael

        hi!

        I haven’t had the chance to camp for a while, I’ve always been too busy.

    • Holly

      Stupid Cons. All cons are stupid. Requiring the exchanging of currency for things like attendence, and accomedations, and travel. BAH!

      • Tyler Griffin

        But where else can you by a real, live, actual copy of that sexy Kyle/Spooky poster you can see in Alex’s booth picture?

        • Holly

          … Tyler, you understand that i am heart broken that i am broke and can attend zero cons, not even the one in my current town because of the massive not having money situation? right?

          • Tyler Griffin

            No. I actually did not know that. My apologies. I thought you were just being silly along with the rest of us

          • Holly

            YOU WERE RIGHT. BUT WRONG. …
            Um….
            So yes I am just joking around, but my joke about cons being stupid because the cost money is heavily laquered resentment. The laquer of humor. Which is cracked. because money is stupid.

            *goes in the corner to stop rambling*

          • *hugs Holly*

          • Adam Black

            You should come over here. we can have a Who-con

  • SchalaRenee

    I’m loving these short stories, but I can’t wait until we get back to the main event! Unless there’s a Duncan story next. I can’t help but love our demon-deal-making villain.

    • Michael

      I agree, the Bonus and Interlude were and are both awesome, but we’re still dangling from the edge of a cliff over in the main story!

      • Just let Doki enjoy not worrying about Mitch’s safety a little longer yeah? We know he survives this encounter. Doki is not quite ready to go back to worrying about PP killing Mitch. She almost succeeded the first time. Doki is forever grateful to Spooky for saving Mitch’s life.

        • Tyler Griffin

          Uhm, Mitch is not safe in this bonus comic, I mean, sure, we know he can’t die of be seriously crippled, but he can still bleed, a lot.

          • Tyler Griffin

            Oh wait, I need to start reading names, I didn’t realize that was actually YOU Doki. My bad… I feel bad now…

          • Mitch already almost died once in the main comic, let me enjoy plotting ways to hurt Ivan for merely injuring Mitch, as I am doubtful I could do anything against PP.

  • Hi everybody!!

  • Adam Black

    Hi everybody?
    Whos online ? I need help !!

    ( With a complex multidimensional Coming out issue:
    involving a new friend with gay and Trans dynamics . Any Trans-men ( and lesbians) would be very very welcome in this conversation . )

    • I actually need an asexual expert for a friend of mine. They told me that they believe themselves to be asexual, but their therapist is telling them that they are demisexual just because they had a couple of pleasurable sexual encounters in the past.

      • Adam Black

        Seems like hair-splitting to me .
        I dont think its makes sense to impose a demi label ( or ace ) on someone unless they feel that way. But I am not an expert.

        • Well the therapist seemed to a little bit pushy about it from they told me.

          • Adam Black

            That dynamic seems upside down.

          • Tyler Griffin

            Bad therapist. It’s one thing to to try to guide people to terminology since there is some ambiguity at the moment, but no one should be telling another human being how to identify

          • Michael

            This is definitely a problem, therapists are there to act as sounding boards, not judges or dictators. If your friend is not comfortable identifying as demisexual, and prefers the label asexual, then that’s not for the therapist to decide.

          • Yeah. They seemed pleased when I told them that it is OK to not experience any sexual attraction.

          • Michael

            If your friend wants more info, or has any questions/concerns, it might be best for her to check out AVEN, http://www.asexuality.org, they have lots of great resources and info for asexual people and friends/family of asexual people.

            edit: if she has not already done so, that is.

          • Tyler Griffin

            Bingo! I think there is a desire in the medical community to hammer down and clear cut the definitions of these “new” orientations and identities (Please don’t drag me, I know they aren’t really new, but from the stand point of being medically and culturally accepted a lot of people think they are). It comes with the territory, the doctors want the terms to have definite meanings so that they can assign them to their patients based on how the patient describes them self. I think it comes from good intentions, but that’s just not where that portion of the lgtbq community is right now.

          • Michael

            Good point, fluidity and grey-areas don’t jive with the rigorous scientific pigeonholing of modern psychology. or modern Western society, for that matter. Everyone wants a thing to be one thing, not a bit of this and a bit of something else. We have that problem in Eastern martial arts, people from Western cultures, including myself, begin learning with the worldview that this thing and that thing are different things, and we don’t see the overlap where they’re both a bit of each other.

      • Michael

        I’m asexual, and have been a lurking member of the asexual community for a few years.

        That’s a tough situation, but your friend needs to remember that sexual orientation and sexual pleasure are completely different things, and it’s possible to experience pleasure without attraction.

        Unless they are experiencing distress from a lack of sexual or romantic desire/attraction, it’s entirely likely they are asexual or grey-asexual. Ultimately though it comes down to which label, or labels, or none, your friend is most comfortable identifying with.

    • Holly

      I AM NON-BINARY (I know funny for an andoid, but we don’t need gender) can i help?

      ((For real though, I am GQ/NB))

      • Adam Black

        Well I have someone new in my life who is kind of a young hottie, ( think Flyboy )

        who has set my gay-dar false alarm off 5 times in 2 weeks.

        My instincts suggest this means young bi curious, closeted, dont push.

        ( ive seen this before…. )

        But in the last few days I have found out my friend was almost definitely born a woman, and doesnt know I know.

        I makes my whole task of “be accepting and affirming of masculinity and sexuality expression ” without being creepy , extra complicated.

        • Adam Black

          @ch@chrisdangerfield:disqus, @Da@DanishWolf:disqus, @Da@davefragments:disqus @

        • Michael

          Tip number one: don’t assume personality traits based on their orientation or identity.

          Tip two; treat them like you would treat anybody else you like and want to get to know. People generally appreciate not being stared at or singled out.

          Question: why does their former biological gender matter in the lens of who they are now?

          • Holly

            Michael makes all the good points.

          • Adam Black

            yes, and the sky is blue in day, and black and Night.
            Great points but totally irrelevant to me.

            Thats preaching to choir, when the choir wants to learn a song

          • Michael

            I don’t see what more you could need or want to know? There’s isn’t some super-secret transluminati way of asking someone to pass the salt…

            I’m not preaching to a choir that wants a song; I’m giving a map to somebody who has a slightly less detailed map.

          • Holly

            Good yes *taps self on nose* there is no transluminati. *winks*

          • Michael

            And they definitely don’t meet with the also nonexistent gaystapo on Thursdays to play board games.

          • Tyler Griffin

            But, then who did I loose all my monopoly money too?!?!?!?!

          • Michael

            that’s the muffia, who control the lesbian-industrial complex. Because you suck at monopoly, and they own all the “hotels”.

          • Tyler Griffin

            I knew I should have built bath houses instead…

          • Holly

            You can’t because I own the waterworks.

          • Holly

            Next week is Billionaire Banshee.

            ….. <_< I mean correct. That does not happen.

          • Razlo

            Sounds like a cool group!

          • Tyler Griffin

            I think he’s wanting specific advice on how to deal with this particular individual, and his intuition is muddled because of a personal interest. Unfortunately, since we don’t know the person as an individual I don’t know that we can be much help.

          • Holly

            Yes my context is this is a guy and he MAY be bi and is young. I am unsure what to do with that beyond that. I mean, Treat him like any potentially bi young guy?

          • Adam Black

            and almost likely Trans.
            Which is why it throws up new complexities, and means I shouldn’t trust my personal instincts. ( because I am not )

          • Adam Black

            Your map was empty, and pointed to where I already was,
            and said “dont move”
            Thanks anyway for your help, I need someone with more experience.

          • Adam Black

            Im not assuming anything Michael.

            This is about a coming out issue.

            So yes, beyond I accept all of the above , Its about HOW to express positive regard .

            Yes, Gender and sexuality issues matter in coming out issues. Thats the point.

            I have no idea how he feels. This advice “treat them like you would treat anybody else you like and want to get to know” could easily lead me to saying and doing stupid and offensive things by accident. Hence my need to for help.

          • Holly

            DO NOT LET HIM KNOW SOMEONE ELSE OUTTED HIM! That will blow up badly. Trust me. Trust me.

          • Adam Black

            He outed himself by accident.
            Which is why I should probably try to help him, and have a mutual coming out.
            Or tell him things so he can feel he can come out to me,
            without him feeling I was prying.

          • Holly

            Okay I misunderstood, I thought someone else outed him.. For better context, vaguely how did the slip out happen?

          • Adam Black

            Remember I said the Gay-dar false alarm went off like 6 times
            Those were things that indicate he had a LGBT background, statistically.

            Plus he told me something ( about himself ) .

            and Plus I saw a that “Alex” : had official mail to “Alexandria” .
            Separately they have different explanations. But they are also cumulative and confirmative .

          • Michael

            While I agree that that is a lot of circumstantial evidence, it’s still just an assumption based on circumstantial evidence.

            I think initiating a conversation based on that could possibly cause some trust issues (“you looked at my mail?!”)

            EDIT: never mind, you cleared that up in another post, above.

          • Holly

            I just wouldn’t broach the subject. Don’t actively avoid any trans talk at all, but let your friend just come to things on their own.

          • Michael

            Oh, that changes everything. When you said “I recently learned”, I thought you meant from another person.

            Ok, putting aside all assumptions and presuppositions, let’s look at the facts as you’ve given them.

            1. He’s “new to your life”
            2. He outed himself “accidentally”
            3. He has not otherwise spoken to you about this?

            I would suggest maybe he doesn’t trust you enough yet to have such an intimate conversation, and raising it with him at this point might be a mistake.

            If you do wish to proceed, I think the best thing would be to place yourself in a position of vulnerability BEFORE you place him in a position of vulnerability. i.e. come out to him first. This way, he will know that it is safe to come out as well, and feel comfortable doing so. Rather than the first gut-reaction being OMG HE KNOWS!! D:

          • Adam Black

            “If you do wish to proceed, I think the best thing would be to place yourself in a position of vulnerability BEFORE you place him in a position of vulnerability.”

            I had the brilliant idea two days ago. But It resulted him in confirming to me that he was trans , when he didnt intend to !

            Now It also can look like I engineered that, by manipulating him by being vulnerable. I need to go beyond that.

          • Michael

            Okay okay, some informatrion there that was missing from earlier.

            So, you know that he’s trans, he has confirmed it, and he knows that you know and is comfortable with you knowing.

            That’s a whole different kettle of fish to what you were asking about before.

          • Adam Black

            NO!

            “and he knows that you know ”
            NO

            and is comfortable with you knowing.

            I have no idea.

          • Michael

            How do you know that he doesn’t know that you know? Maybe he just wants to drop the whole thing and hope you didn’t pick up on it or won’t bring it up again.

          • Adam Black

            Michael think Laterally. Go meta!

            Do you actually think this is healthy for both of us to think:

            “How do you know that he doesn’t know that you know? Maybe he just wants to drop the whole thing and hope you didn’t pick up on it or won’t bring it up again.”

            Forever, in every conversation till the end of time, when I like him and accept him?

            Its neurotic as hell. And it forces me in a closet I didn’t ask for.

          • Adam Black

            When you said “I recently learned”, I thought you meant from another person.

            Those Heuristics I mentioned ( gaydar ) indicated a very strong statistical likelihood of a LGBT background. Personal Biographical Data he told me. Not just my prejudices.

            Plus I found physical evidence by accident. Plus he told me something else that confirmed it.

            Its about 99.9 percent hes trans ( or intersex )
            he probably thinks I have enough to think 25% , If I was exceptionally smart.

          • Michael

            HAVE they come out to you? Have they approached you and confided their orientation/identity to you?

            If “no”, DO NOTHING. And do not treat them differently. Like Holly said, below. It will end badly.

          • Adam Black

            HAVE they come out to you?

            You are confused. OK.
            I havent come out to him, and he hasnt come out to me.
            BUt I have already done nothing to treat him any differently,
            ( and caught myself saying things that could be accidentally offensive, not because its anti trans but merely because that presumes hes Cis )

            My post is requesting HOW to do, what you are afraid to.

            Doing nothing is a bad idea as sooner or later he will know that I know, and said nothing , and make things socially awkward.

          • Holly

            Depending on WHAT it is you are saying, there is nothing wrong with acting as through a preferred person’s gender is biologically true as well. I mean, CALLING a trans person Cis is a problem. But I personally treat all my trans friends as though the have always been the gender they indentify as, excluding NB/GQ.

          • Adam Black

            No one likes being reminded of things they dont have , or cant do.
            Theres casual homosocial guy stuff, jockstraps or Ball problems etc, taht I would mention casually with any guy. male bonding stuff

            That could make him feel excluded. I want to make him feel the opposite.

          • Holly

            ah yes, the issue of bits… I don’t know. I exist in this manner; http://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/what-are-you-evil-whats-your-gender-villan-whats-in-your-pants-doom.jpg

            So I just don’t talk to people of any gender about stuff like that, unless they initiated it themselves. I would go with that. Don’t talk about crotch stuff unless they start.

          • Michael

            I agree, just leave that area out of things.

            I have bonded with many males in social contexts, and none of it has ever involved discussion of crotch-appendages, underwear, or the like.

          • Adam Black

            Thats hard to unlearn. Im not sure what the balance is between leading and hiding that topic. ( which could treat him like hes not a man. )

          • Adam Black

            “Question: why does their former biological gender matter in the lens of who they are now?’

            This question has absolutely nothing to do with me.

            That none of my business, and irrelevant to creating a safe space to feel like he can be the the kind of man he wants to be.

            “don’t assume personality traits based on their orientation or identity.”

            You misunderstood. Physical and personality traits are all I have. You are assuming there was already a coming out. Thats why I asked for help.

        • Holly

          If could explain you task better, I could try making things less complicated

          • Adam Black

            I need help so my buddy can come out to me as trans, ( and maybe queer/gay/bi/pan )
            and I can come out to him.
            and it wont be awkward or weird.

          • Holly

            Oh yeah, I am bad for that. I do all things awkwardly. And i don’t think a single one of my trans friends really CAME OUT to me. we just talked about bathrooms…

          • Michael

            I thought you just said, below,

            I had the brilliant idea two days ago. But It resulted him in conforming to me that he was trans

            So, you’ve already outed yourself, and he’s already outed himself. Now you just need to sit down and talk about it. Just be as supportive as you would with anybody who is coming out to you. Maybe don’t just sit him down at the table or something, but bring it up during an unrelated activity, like watching TV or something. “Hey, buddy, do you remember the other day when you told me you were trans? I just want to let you know that I totally support you, and it doesn’t change the way I view you or our friendship. If you ever want to talk about it, I’m here for you.”

            Thing is, coming out will always be weird and awkward. Talking to someone who has just come out, intentionally or otherwise, will always be weird and awkward.

            It’s how you get past the awkwardness that matters.

          • Adam Black

            re-read what I said.
            I revealed some of my personal background. ( but didnt come out ) .

            He did the same ( which accidentally outed him all the way , and he doesnt know it )

            That strategy now looks manipulative by accident, in retrospect.
            If I pursue it again , it could look extra manipulative .

          • Michael

            In that case, drop it and leave it alone. Treat him the way you have been, minus the homosocial crotch and underwear discussions, and don’t bring up his orientation or accidental outing. At least not until he does.

          • Adam Black

            Michael I respectfully advance, that you are the wrong person to give advice here. You know enough to help someone come up where I already am at, but not go any further.

            Im old enough to know that real life has a way of forcing our hand.

            I want to be his friend as a transman.
            Thats going to bias me whether I like it or not. Do you understand?
            Your advice forces me to be in the closet. sorry.
            When I open mine all the way it will open his, whether he likes that or not.

            I said this was complicated in the beginning.

          • Michael

            Okay, I respectfully withdraw from this discussion and wish you the best of luck.

        • Michael

          Also it’s been scientifically demonstrated that “gaydar” isn’t a thing.

          • Tyler Griffin

            I don’t have a gaydar, I have a “Wanthimtobegaydar”

          • Holly

            I’m a Gender Queer Androphile. I apparently ping a lot of girl’s gaydar and i’m like “NOPE ANDROPHILE SORRY”

          • Adam Black

            whats Androphile? Dudes only?

          • Holly

            DUDES ONLY! Masculine, male identifying people.
            This has lead to several very odd arguments.

          • Adam Black

            Gotcha. You might like my buddy. adorable Guitar playing muscular hottie.
            Looks a little like Mitch.

          • Holly

            WOW, that sounds nice

          • Adam Black

            Oh yeah!! Big Blue eyes, perfect teeth, Black hair, small, but toned, jacked hard body, trail. hes adorable. Popstar good looks

          • Holly

            goodness

          • Adam Black

            There is that too. That also means something.
            It just doenst mean gay per se.

            I dont know his sexuality. If he was cis he said plenty of things to make me think he is gay affirming and homo-social.

          • Adam Black

            Michael, Please, pretend I asked for help helping a transperson come out and feel welcome.

            OK?
            ******

            “scientifically demonstrated” was about straight people making bigoted assumptions. OK?

            It has nothing to do with a queer pansexual with decades of experience, navigating cultural, cognitive and social Heuristics of signs and signifiers

            OK?

            You can look up what a Heuristics is , recognize that I already said that I know they were false. ( didnt I? ) . That they exist and are false , also has a meaning. Go meta.

            I could have explained this in detail, but those details would out someone, right?

            and thats wrong.

            ( and it would sidetrack the issue. )
            So Just trust I know what I am talking about and looking for help outside my experience. ( Which would probably someone here who is a transman. )

      • Adam Black

        whats GQ?

    • Tyler Griffin

      Ok, let me try to see if I have this. What I am getting is that this is the scenario:

      -You like a guy. You think they MIGHT like you, or at least be gay, however they are not out and the signals you are getting are mixed.
      -You recently found out that they might, in fact be trans. *IF* that is true, and *IF* they think it might might affect your opinion of them, then that *MIGHT* explain why you feel like you are getting mixed signals.
      -You want to have a genuine conversation with them and let them know that you are gay, let them know about your interest in them, and also that you are totally cool with them being trans. But you do not trust your own instincts on how to bring this conversation into about and it feel natural.
      -Thus you are hoping for some insight from another transman as to how to not make an ass out of yourself while trying to be supportive.

      Am I in the ballpark?

      • Adam Black

        Only halfway.
        Anything beyond beyond “like” might be socially inappropriate.
        No, it doesnt effect my opinion of him. It might even IMPROVE it.

        If I could say “I think you are a beautiful sexy hottie dude, no matter what you were born as” It would be easy.

        Thats not what I am doing.

        I have no reason to think he likes me beyond a causal friendly acquaintance.
        Even if he was gay, I would give him mega space as I am decades older.

        Im not trying to date him or sex him up. I just want him to be comfortable around me and be himself. Im not trying to take anything from him.

        and He might be a Gyno-phile.

        Its just about giving him space yet affirming him. but not affirming him too much.

        • Michael

          And now it’s about giving him space?

          I think it might help if you could pin down what exactly you want to achieve here, and make sure you are really clear on your goals, because there’s been mixed messages all over this discussion.

          • Adam Black

            Its exactly what I said in the beginning. Nothings changed
            You are confused. he doesnt know I know.
            So I need to advance things with positive regard. But not too much.
            Message itsnt mixed. It simply has parameters.

          • Michael

            Ok, I need to make some dot-points for my own clarity. Dot points always help.

            – you are confident for various reasons that your friend is trans.
            – he is “new to your life”, not an intimate friend or old friend, but a new “causal friendly acquaintance.”
            – he does not know that you are confident about him being trans.
            – he maybe does not completely know that you are gay
            – you accidentally and unintentionally engineered a situation in which he unwittingly outed himself
            – he does not know that he accidentally outed himself to you

            you want to:

            – tell him that you are gay
            – tell him that you know he is trans
            – give him space to be himself, while being supportive.
            – not look like a manipulative pervert
            – not pressure him in any way that would damage your friendship
            – not make things weird or awkward.

            Is that a fair summation?

            I really do want to help, but I’m struggling to understand what the story is and what you actually want help with. I apologise for my misunderstanding in previous comments.

          • Adam Black

            Yes to all that. Almost.
            Not bad. But Im not really gay. I like ladies, but mostly into men,
            and might be into transdudes! Im probably more pan

            2 hours before I found out, I was literally saying to myself “I really want to meet a transdude” , not knowing I already had.

            so it makes it more complicated.

          • Adam Black

            I accept your apology. 99 % correct here

  • Holly

    *shows up to camp with DELICIOUS CHICKEN WINGS* Hi everyone, these are not the limbs of imps from some sort of hell dimension, such as Lampy’s, that i just Made to look like chicken wings. THese are chicken wings. I did not agree to fee you all hell flesh in order to hang out with George.