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The Young Protectors: Engaging The Enemy Chapter 4—Page 12

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Commander has no time for The Annihilator’s personal tragedy.

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So! Commander makes an appeal to The Annihilator’s common sense and decency. Will that actually work?

Tune in this Saturday to find out! Hope to see you there! 😀

 

  • syllibub

    Yes! Revive Spooky!

    • Chris Dangerfield

      He just needs true love’s kiss… I’ll be right over. Can someone crank up the sappy music please?

      • syllibub

        *holds up boombox*

  • And that’s why she’s the Commander!

  • But what about the men?

    • syllibub

      What men? Who cares about men? What’s going on?

      • Millions of women and children will die. Either Big D isn’t caring much about the loss of men in comparison here, or he made some kind of special deal xD

        What about the men? o.O

        • syllibub

          Oh, gotcha! I guess Duncan uses “women and children” as shorthand for “innocent, vulnerable people.” Which is sort of…well, “insulting” would be a strong word, but I don’t exactly care for the way he lumps women in general in with kids, since it implies that women are largely without agency and wouldn’t be able to protect themselves in a crisis. And like you point out, it also suggests that men are expendable and unworthy of sympathy. Bad expression, Duncan — I suggest losing it.

          • bronakopdin

            I Think it is just that typical old stereotype, Duncan IS a little older… just like “women and children” will also be the firsts to leave the sinking ship, you know? etc.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Oh, I agree, but let us not forget…
            http://i.imgur.com/Iz4MIrA.png

          • syllibub

            That’s actually one of my favorite Sircea moments. Duncan uses concern for “women and children” to indicate that he doesn’t want to harm the innocent, but Sircea sneers at the entire notion that humanity protects its more vulnerable members in times of crisis. That rings very true to me — over the course of her life, she would have seen firsthand, time and time again, that that’s not how it works in actual practice: people pay lip service to protecting women and children, but then those in power systematically exploit them both in day-to-day life and in times of war.

            It really underscores to me how disillusioned she is with humanity. That and her irritation with Duncan for calling Amanda “just a girl” after she nearly upset the entire ritual with just a last-minute plan and a group of novice teenagers — I imagine she’s about had it with people underestimating and dismissing powerful women. I’m definitely not saying it’s right, but it explains why she isn’t exactly shedding a tear over turning over most of the world’s population to demons.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            I agree. I love that moment because it’s so true of the world and so very rarely said with such absolute certainty and not one ounce of regret. You know she absolutely believes what she says.

            I don’t think one can live as long as she has and see that many people die, and remain unchanged in fundamental human ways. She will certainly have seen as much hypocrisy about how precious life is (NOT) as any being would ever need to, in order to realize it’s never been anything more than wishful thinking and mostly lip-service.

            I also agree that Duncan’s viewpoint is understandably so very different. A good example is the number of times he refers to the TYP group as “kids” in some fashion or another. That says as much about how he feels about his own age, as to how and why he underestimates them.

            Sircea certainly isn’t blinkered in the way a normal human might be about age and how it relates to brains and/or talent.

      • Chris Dangerfield

        HA!

  • davefragments

    I’ll bet that the Platinum Priestess has the next frame because she’s NOT going to let Duncan stray into logic…

    • syllibub

      Oh what, you don’t think she’ll be completely on board with changing the plan when she’s less than half an hour from gaining immortality? Pssh. I’m sure she’ll be reasonable about this.

      • davefragments

        Not a snowball’s chance in Hell.
        If I can coin a phrase.

        • Tyler Griffin

          I dunno about a snowballs, but we’ve at least seen a *** shot’s chance (am I allowed to say that? Is that *TOO* far?)

    • Tyler Griffin

      And she’s the kind of queen B who gets the Opening Panel, in close up, when she interrupts.

  • Nate

    She’s almost as good as Steve Rogers at earnest speeches. 🙂

    Of course, next page will probably be Sircea ruining everything with a snide comment. *sigh*

    • syllibub

      God I hope so. *is terrible*

      • Nate

        “Darling, I did not put on my favorite fancy headgear and get a BRAND NEW CLOAK burned off to surrender now.”

        • syllibub

          Hahaha, that’s perfect!

        • Tyler Griffin

          And you did *NOT* sit up all night polishing the staff to just let it lay about un-used.” 0:)

  • syllibub

    I really like Kyle’s face in the last panel. “There’s no need for us to be enemies?? REALLY???”

    • Chris Dangerfield

      It is pretty awesome!

  • Doki wants to poke Paul?

  • ‘Sadly we don’t always get to choose the roles we have to play’

    There seems to be a story there, and it sounds bitter. I really hope we get more of the Duncan/Sircea background story somehow later on. As much as I also want to kick their asses, they really intrigue me, and I wanna kbow how they came to agree on working together on this monstrosity they call Saving the World?

    • syllibub

      I’m curious about that too, since up until now I had the impression that, despite his regrets, Duncan regards his career as a villain as something he chose. That line, though, makes it seem like he feels that he was pushed into it, or at least that he didn’t have the option of choosing a different path once he got going.

      I can see why he feels trapped now, since he committed so much of his time to carrying out this plan — oh, yeah, and will die horribly if he doesn’t see it through. But I wonder if he’s talking about his current situation or his past as a whole.

      Either way, it made me snort when Amanda’s reaction was basically, “…Yeah, whatever. Back to the imminent demon takeover?”

      • Saxon_Brenton

        There was that line back on chap.3 p.49: “And I have been called a ‘super-villain’ for most of my life. A sly bit of government marketing too ridiculous to ever take seriously.” At the time it looked like an off-hand comment thrown up by stream-of-consciousness. However the way he scowled when he said that, combined with the way he’s speaking through gritted teeth on this page when he talks about not being able to choose roles, makes me suspect otherwise now. Despite what Annihilator may say (including to himself), it’s something that bugs him.

        In fact, I think it would be prudent of us not to take automatically take anything that Annihilator says about his feelings and motivations at face value, simply because ‘the supervillain doth protest too much’. It’s like, remember back when Annihilator had just captured Red Hot with the chains of flame, briefly got a look of regret, then scowled and said “I don’t owe you an explanation”, and then immediately launched a monolog that explained things? Yeah, like that.

        • Chris Dangerfield

          Oh EXACTLY like that. Indeed!

      • Mir

        Think that’s why when Duncan talks about Kyle trusting him, he says that Kyle “knew who he really was” kind of blaming him because he should know better than to trust a supervillian.

        After being told your whole life that you’re a bad guy, you start believing it yourself. Makes me wonder how he started his whole “career”; was it the day he decided to get revenge from those who bullied him or was it kind of an “accident” that he couldn’t really be redeemed from by the eyes of the public/media.

        Kind of reminds me of that animated movie Megamind. Where the villain is a villain because that’s how everyone treated him and has a hard time believing he could ever change from that. ‘Till he meets Roxanne the reporter; who makes him want to change because he loves her.

  • Kate G

    I feel the need to make a comment about this page. I WANT to make a comment. My migraine has left my comment-happy brain stupefied.

    I need a shower, medication and sleep.

    Oh, but the sketch for my tattoo came and it. looks. AWESOME! That I can say on a stupefied brain. All righty, time to hit the shower.

  • Well at least the Duncanator seems to know right from wrong.

    • davefragments

      Victor Frankenstein did too, but that didn’t stop him.

      • No, no it didn’t. Sometimes people are just idiots.

        • Chris Dangerfield

          Now that’s my Admiral!!!!!

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Oh my dearest Admiral, I am rolling my eyes… YES, ROLLING MY EYES.

      I think the point is that he DOESN’T know right from wrong. If he did he would have started with Amanda’s ideas and THEN moved to Sircea’s death-fest if he felt their was no other option. In this Kyle’s right. There is no altruism here. Dunc. wants to live forever. Sure maybe he’d like to do it without killing half the world, but not enough NOT to do it.

      That would be WRONG.

      He says it pretty clearly. HE considers himself a monster. So he started at that point, in spite of clearly knowing there were other options like ExSec and Spooky.

      He has a serious problem judging right from wrong. Rather like Kyle judging good boyfriend material from Baaaaaad… although I suppose we can excuse Kyle due to youth, inexperience and coming out.

      Duncan… not so much.

      Sircea says it all rather succinctly to Duncan, “Oh I see! Is that what you’re telling yourself now? That the mean old witch is making you do this?” Ummm… POINT.

      http://webcomics.yaoi911.com/typ/ete-ch3-page-59/

      (I’ll stop rolling my eyes now, but I think I need a muffin.)

      • KingOfNymphs

        “we can excuse Kyle due to youth, inexperience and coming out” don’t forget believing in the perfect (impervious) match

      • Of course he knows right from wrong, whether he follows through is something else.

        I mean I KNOW that jalapeño Kettle Brand Chips (OMG I LOVE THESE) and soda are bad, but I will still sneak them into my diet.. 😛

        • Chris Dangerfield

          Food ethics are an entirely different issue! 😛

          • It’s still a matter of right and wrong. 😛

  • Every time I scroll up and down between page and comment, there’s that Patreon preview of the locker room scene. That full image really will be a booty-ful sight 🙂

    • bronakopdin

      nice one xD

    • Chris Dangerfield

      A clean super is a good super!

  • I can almost hear Kyle’s inner voice hissing ‘WHAT! But, but, but…’ – wanting to interrupt, still being furious and hurt as well as shocked now. But he’s being so used to following Amanda’s training and wise leading that he’s not sure how to react.

    He’ll follow her, but he’s not happy about it. But that’s just my own interpretation of last panel 🙂

  • Cman65

    “Yes somehow somebody may someway save the world but this way I get to live forever”

  • Shiny Gwilly

    Kyle’s face “wait wait, are you f-ing serious”
    but i do wonder though, did they (Anni/PP) ever really think about talking with the heros and exsec and reach some sort of understanding? i mean, did they really think it thru before turning to this “bring demons to earth” idea? i’m curious how long and how planned out all of this has been
    but yes Kyle, continue to be quiet, i understand your frustrations right now, but Amanda is working

  • syllibub

    Duncan hasn’t mentioned that Laampros will liquefy his innards if he doesn’t hold up his end of the deal. Even if he’s game to suspend the ritual, that’s got to give him pause — unless there’s a loophole in the contract that doesn’t specify when Duncan has to let Laampros through, as long as he does eventually, before the walls come down on their own. Do he and Sircea have more than one shot in their lifetimes to perform this ritual, or does it have to be now? For that matter, what would happen if Duncan somehow died before opening the gate? Are souls a thing, or would the contract be void? Lots of questions.

    (But I know exactly how I would insert myself in this story: extremely shady lawyer specializing in demonic contracts. Sircea mentioned she negotiated the particulars of the contract over a period of months through intermediaries, yeah? That’s how we met.)

    • Columbine

      Lol I would read the comic about shady demon-contract-writing lawyers!

      • Tyler Griffin

        Especially if we can have BOTH contexts of “Shady” in this case 😛
        “Oh, you wanted the Lower Nile to be part of you Mediterranean province? We can do that, hun, I know that you’re used to working with Rebeca, but *I* actually get results for my clients.”

      • Kit the Coyote

        Wasn’t there a movie about that?

        • KingOfNymphs

          There’s one such law firm of that nature in the show Angel.

        • Columbine

          Was there? I don’t know.

          • Kit the Coyote

            Hmmm The Devil’s Advocate. Keanu Reeves and Al Pacino.

    • Chris Dangerfield

      So… do you charge PER demonic contract or is it a monthly fee type of thing? It just seems like I should have your firm’s number in my contacts. Honestly, one never knows when one will need a good attorney diabolique…

      Come to think of it @syllibub:disqus, did you do the legal work for Sircea and Laampros? Can we talk your hourly fee? That couldn’t have been cheap.

      • Kit the Coyote

        Well we have already established that Laampros has an appointment secretary. One would assume he has a legal team as well.

        • Chris Dangerfield

          Absolutely, we are talking “HELL” after all. 🙂

      • syllibub

        Per contract, and the cost necessarily varies according to the complexity and terms of the deal. If you didn’t negotiate your original contract through me and are rethinking the offer of your firstborn, another service I provide is finding loopholes. That’s way more expensive.

        Kit has it right — Sircea’s people talked it out with Laampros’s people. I’m her people.

        (And my hourly fee is the kind of number you write on a piece of paper and slide across the table instead of saying out loud.)

  • I’m wondering if Sircea has been manipulating Duncan for a very very long time. Maybe since childhood. I mean if they’ve been watching Kyle for sometime…

    Though I wonder for exactly how long they had been watching him. I know there were those 7 years the Annihilator was dormant, but were they watching him for those 7 years? If so, why not get to him when he was younger and become a “family” of sorts, convince him to help them

    Anyway, if she had been manipulating Duncan once his power emerged, driving him towards this end goal.

    Of course I think we’ve discussed this before, but it crossed my mind after Duncan’s line about not having a choice about life paths.

    • Columbine

      Might depend on how much Sircea trusts her own ability to play a part that long. I’m not 100% she could convincingly do ‘caring and supportive’ for a lifetime.

      • Oh definitely not a lifetime, but I think she can play whatever role she wanted until she got what she, well, wanted.

        But getting a child young, she wouldn’t always have to be nice, just not kill the child.

    • Steven Higgins

      Think about what he had to do to get in contact with Laapros. It might have been harder to get Kyle to spread his legs for an actual father figure than just a daddy.

    • Adam Black

      Shes just hot. Gay men are not immune.

  • Jeldenil

    Did he make a deal about the demons killing women and children specifically?

  • Hours Left

    “Millions of women and children will die”, not “Millions of people”?

    Am I forgetting something or is this just Duncan portraying a bit of old school thinking here?

    P.S. Commander being amazing, and showing why she’s the leader, as usual.

    • T Dibbler

      Yeah, I read that line and went “And men won’t?” The deaths of innocent men are just as regrettable as the deaths of innocent women, Duncan me lad, and being female doesn’t make women more innocent or vulnerable, not unless the enemy is deliberately targeting women and ignoring men.

      • Hours Left

        Yeah. I wouldn’t be surprised if Duncan has a bit of a chivalrous side, but it’s still a weird thing to say. I highly doubt he sees women as weaker than men, or more in need of protection, (or more deserving of it), so that’s what makes me think it might be related to the demons’ MO. But would demons (literally) hellbent on destroying humanity single out people based on sex and/or age?

        Ever since we returned back from the Flyboy story, both Duncan and Sircea have said some really odd things. Though perhaps what’s even more interesting is what’s not being said.

        I’m extremely intrigued by all this, and I can’t wait to see what happens next.

    • Steven Higgins

      Think about his age, he’s at least 50 so he’s definitely from a generation that wasn’t as socially progressive as the current one. It makes perfect sense that he’d follow that kind of ideology, despite being bi.

      • Hours Left

        But considering his partner in crime is Sircea, it doesn’t really make sense to me that he’d make such an antiquated statement. He knows women are just as formidable as men. That’s what makes it an odd statement.

        • Steven Higgins

          I get that, but when something is ingrained in your psyche for so long, it tends to stick. I mean he may not consciously think women are inferior, but the ‘women and children must be protected first’ thing is still in his subconscious. Besides, Sircea is a powerful sorceress, giving her advantages normal humans don’t have so he may see women with superpowers as sort of an exception.

          • Hours Left

            I’m hoping that’s not the case as that would lower my opinion of Duncan a bit, and he’s my favorite character. I get that some behavior is ingrained through environment and circumstance, but he’s a man that’s seen a lot, (including being subject to discrimination) so I’m hoping his experiences would inform his current mindset in a more favorable manner. Duncan isn’t a regular man either.

          • Steven Higgins

            Like I said, your concious opinion can change , but the subconscious isn’t so easily modified.

        • Klaus

          Sircea is not your typical woman.

      • Tyler Griffin

        Since when is Duncan bi? I thought he straight us said he was gay?

        • Steven Higgins

          He slept with Kyle, and Kissed Sircea.

          • Tyler Griffin

            That’s true. Also, I wasn’t attempting to be argumentative, I just read your comment ad was suddenly confused

    • timemonkey

      Technically, men are far more disposable than women, It is far easier to rebuild a population with a lot of women and a couple men than a lot of men and a couple women.

  • bronakopdin

    Sneaky yet reasonable, that’s our Commander! though Sircea will not let him change sides so easily…
    and I guess Duncan is actually intelligent enough to have considered to work together before doing the demon plan?
    Either he was confident noone would listen to him (in which case he could have started it with anonymous interaction only revealing himself later on) or, and I think this might actually rather be the case, he knew Sircea will do this anyway, just maybe getting another mannequin to do act it out and maybe he preferred to be the one “knowing” as much as possible about it and kinda being able to have at least a little say in this, to somehow watch her and her actions at least, if he can’t stop her?
    yeah I know… I try to make him out to be a good guy after all x’D Yet I’m still as angry as Kyle, just saying…
    talking about Kyle… his face speaks volumes at Amanda’s offer ^^’ like “da’ FVCK are you saying?!?!?!”

  • Adam Black

    See this is why Sircea wanted her killed.
    Duncan, use your reason.
    Dont let this den-mother of boyscouts, stop you from saving the world.
    You have a role to play. Your the bad-guy here. You dont get redemption. Take your psuedo-immortality; you can go off and feel bad for yourself once you are a perpetual child in a demon haunted-earth. We have a story to tell, and you are not going to hold up the plot.

    • Dennis Grace

      I don’t think this is why Sircea wanted her dead. I think the Platinum Nutjob just revels in killing. Amanda was her last request. Initially, she wanted to torture and kill the entire team. In brief: bitch be cray cray.

      • Adam Black

        I dont think Amanda’s plan was as well thought out as other people think. Ive pointed out its major flaws before ( it required a level of perfection unlikely to happen. It had no latency or backup features. )

        But I give Sircea credit for recognizing Amanda is a bigger threat , than let on. She knows Duncan, and he does seem to have a weakness for tough women.

  • Oh I’m sure there are several better ideas than just letting a demon hoard run loose, but this one gets Sircea back her (rightful) immortality. So yeah, I don’t think that Sircea tried very hard to think of another way.

    • xLizardx

      And I’m willing to bet that there will be other benefits for her entailed as well… I can imagine she’ll enjoy being ruler of a continent, threatening her subjects with dispatchment to the demon domains if they dare protest her tyranny. Or maybe it will in some way allow her access to greater magical resources.

      • Adam Black

        If She was given her own TV show and worshiped properly as the Goddess she is, none of this would have been necessary.

        • Chris Dangerfield

          Sure, but you could say that about almost everyone you know…

          • Adam Black

            OK
            …. ‘If @@chrisdangerfield:disqus was given her own TV and worshiper as the Goddess she is, none of this would have been necessary’ ?

            ( uh-oh Chris, what did you do? )

          • Chris Dangerfield

            F*ck… makes sense to me?

      • Well of course. This deal (rightfully) benefits her mightily, everyone else, not probably so much.

    • Adam Black

      No, no there are not.
      I should know, I spent 5 minutes, 5 whole minutes trying to think of a better plan , and I couldnt do it. This is IT.
      Its just Europe. And Africa. And the Asya or something. And Antarctica.
      What are they gonna do, eat the penguins? Are they bringing ice -giants?

      oh, and Australia? Its basically already hell and filled with crazy animals, and thats just the footbal fans. Im not even counting the crocs and the drop-bears. So it will be fine.

      Why are even arguing this still? This is settled. The souls were traded. The spell was cast. You live in America. You’ll be fine. unless those walls collapse first. iTs a fair trade. Global warming would have ruined those places sooner or later.

      Oh yeah. africa too. Well its really Big. I’m sure the rhinos and malaria will still be a much bigger problem. See, You gotta focus on the BIG Picture.

      • Adam Black

        Dammit, Ive already accidentally figured out another way.

        • Chris Dangerfield

          No @disqus_FidZAwLkzS:disqus, duct tape will NOT fix everything!

          • Adam Black

            Duh, Obviously Duct-tape can defeat Dark-magicks

            why else would the …volunteers have their mouths duct-taped?

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Because they can sign the necessary arcane runes with their tentacles… DUH!

      • Tyler Griffin

        Sircea should have negotiated to give the demons Antartica alone 😛 “Here ya go, boys, have fun building snow men.”

      • Rhinos have feelings and families too.

      • Klaus

        Actually the animal who kills most people in Africa is the Hippopotamus..

        • Adam Black

          See The Demons can finally handle the hippo problem.

  • T Dibbler

    Hmmmm… very interested to see where this goes.

  • Chris Dangerfield

    Amanda is TOO COOL FOR SCHOOL.

    At 3:00 AM, all I can say is that I have a ginormous man-crush on Amanda.

    I am way too Kyle and I’d be looking at her in the same way in the last panel… Kyle’s look is the perfect combination of “How could you speak to this horrible man so reasonably.” AND “Why couldn’t I handle this horrible man so reasonably, damn gay hormones!”

    And this is pretty much the way we all grow up, learning from people more experienced than we are and figuring out when our brains are talking and when our hormones are. Het. or LGBTQ it’s all the same isn’t it? (Okay I’m THAT immature, Kyle and I still want to singe Duncan pretty seriously for that hell-date… but thank goodness for Amanda. A big sister comes in really handy sometimes.

    Thank you Alex, Adam and Veronica for another seriously honest page. This is superhero goodness for adults and I love it.

    • Sapfo

      You are wrong Chris. Amanda is School!
      And you better be ready to move over. I would love taking Amanda on a date 😀

    • Adam Black

      which school?

      what about Hogwarts, Unseen University?
      Space Camp?

      @C@chrisdangerfield:disqus is she cooler than Space Camp ?

      • Chris Dangerfield

        Amanda would be THE cheerleader at Space Camp!

  • An

    I adore this girl. More of her, please.

  • D. G.

    I knew she would say that. Its only logical. Go Amanda!

  • D. G.

    I wonder if fluke’s power has a residual effect that could help typ.

    • Adam Black

      Hes been a big disappointment power-wise. I was expecting him to go all Dark-willow or Scarlet Witch.
      Maybe he used it up on lucky punches .

      • D. G.

        I thought his powers worked pretty well. I’m hoping good mojo will help them now.

      • timemonkey

        Willow and Wanda function very differently. Neither of them really need to balance to make their powers work, they’re both just naturally powerful. Fluke’s powers are unreliable and we don’t even know how much control he has over it. For all we know he blew his entire reserve letting them find them in time.

  • TwilightDreamer

    I know I’ve said how awesome Amanda is plenty of times…though honestly I don’t think it can be said enough :P…. but now I have to say that she is definitely one of the best female characters I’ve EVER seen/read in any series.
    I don’t think Kyle likes what she’s sugguesting…wouldn’t blame him in the least…but hopefully he can find the strength to look past Duncans betrayal…at least for now…. 🙁

  • Sapfo

    Amanda might have the power of the word. She at least is getting Duncan to listen to her.

  • Jason Moon

    Why don’t all these superpowered goobers EVER sit down and get more people to listen to the problem in hopes of finding a better solution? Is it because it makes too much sense?

    Also, in the ‘cleanliness’ picture, I noticed the YP clock? Do they have other merch? Towels, notepads, the inevitable cereal(Because something isn’t significant to us until it’s a part of a nutritionally balanced breakfast. And why is it always “Something-O’s”. What the hell is up with THAT? Seriously, we are weird), t-shirts…

    • T Dibbler

      ‘Why don’t all these superpowered goobers EVER sit down and get more people to listen to the problem in hopes of finding a better solution?’

      Do real life people in power ever do that?

      • Jason Moon

        Like I said, just makes too much sense. 🙂

  • Say, do you suppose that Duncan is subconsciously trying to destroy this whole deal? I mean keeping Sircea from killing Amanda, not doing away with Kyle…etc. I mean he keeps doing all these things that will just conveniently mess up the ceremony. Hmmm.

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Are you sure you don’t just want a new ship with no leaks? 😀

    • Adam Black

      I predicted Duncan would betray Sircea long ago,
      same way he did Kyle.

      Betrayal is in nature.

  • Duncan’s found himself in a situation where he wants to be a hero, and thinks “useful monster” is the best he can aspire to. If Amanda can offer him a realistic alternative, he’ll snatch at it. No wonder Sircea didn’t want him trying to negotiate with the team once they had their deal with Laampros – he’s not a good guy, but he’s not amoral or totally selfish, and he’s not going to go along with her plans if he can find a less horrible option.

    • Susan Simon

      Of course, there’s still the self preservation factor to deal with….

  • Earl Patterson

    Enough chat chit. Let’s get demon king come over already! I want see kyle’s daddy play with commander

    • Adam Black

      agree. Bring it on.

  • stickfigurefairytales

    I think this is exactly why Sircea singled her out as the most dangerous member of the team.

    • Rick T

      You’re so right

  • Connor

    I would say that the odds of them stopping the summoning ritual are exactly 0. Firstly because the supervillains have already invested too much in this plan to just abandon it, and secondly because this is the beginning of chapter 4 (out of 5 planned.) They don’t have time for another three chapters’ worth of preparation.

    • Klaus

      But do they know that?

  • David Welbourn

    Does Duncan even have the option of stopping the ritual at this point? Like, of course he does if he’s willing to let himself be killed by Laampros via his arm branding, but is there a way Duncan can manage to deny Laampros both the Earth and Duncan’s life?

    Uhh, Kyle, I don’t suppose you’d be willing to ask your dad to spare Duncan’s life, would you? … I guess that’s a “no”, then.

  • Chris Dangerfield

    Simply because it’s so challenging and Veronica does it so quietly and well, I have to compliment her again on her ability to keep such strong vibrant colors, all in close proximity (like really close), so balanced and appealing.

    With these intense reds and whites, this could so easily be garish in the hands of a lesser artist, and instead it’s exciting and riveting.

    Just a big brava and some much need applause. Thank you Vero!

  • Chris Dangerfield

    You know, every time I pass that picture (above) of our boys in the locker room, I think (innocently of course) that they need a towel boy. AND GUESS WHAT… I’m that boy! Surprise!

    So, I’m officially signing up for the post (’cause I’m just a giver that way). 😀

  • I keep thinking back to that scene in the restaurant where Hunter and Killer don’t care how many bystanders they injure or how much damage they cause while posturing about being heroes, and Duncan makes it clear he sees Kyle as a real hero, and H&K as villains in everything but name. I wonder how much Duncan’s decision, and even Sircea’s decision, to do this themselves is tied into having good reason not to trust that the heroes of their world will actually be heroic?

    • Saxon_Brenton

      Somewhat, certainly. I think it really depends on what proportion of the hero community is government and/or corporate controlled part that acts ‘ethically’ with full accountability, as compared to the parts that are black ops, and finally the parts that are unregulated antiheroes.
      But regardless of what those proportions actually are, Annihilator has expressed enough cynicism that he probably subscribes to that worldview anyway. The Priestess… Well, she could have any number of reasons, singly or in combination, but I suspect it’s largely because she’s from a time when actions were instigated by personal drive and carried through by main force, and she’s subscribing to the “If you want something done you have to do it yourself” school of thought.

      • Chris Dangerfield

        I totally understand that some here with always REALLY want truly excellent Dim Sum in Hong Kong and triumph over a couple of no-neck monsters to negate the sexual bondage and r…. (don’t say rape Chris… murphlegrrrrr…) of Kyle.

        However, it just won’t. All reasons aside, that never changes for me. Sure Team Silver may one day weep a crocodile tear for their actions, if things don’t work out, but Kyle’s 18th birthday was ruined forever.

        It’s like not going to prom, people. You can’t get that back. You just can’t. :/

        • Alt+F7

          Wait, Kyle was raped???

          • Chris Dangerfield

            I’ll answer this very carefully because it was a huge point of discussion some years ago and I intend to do nothing but speak to my point-of-view as a gay man.

            IMHO I believe that enticing someone into a VERY vulnerable explicit sexual situation (especially an inexperienced virgin) where you are both naked and vulnerable, robbing them of agency in a totally non-con way, which even makes them unable to speak and then transporting them anywhere, let alone hell, then abandoning them naked in a remote warehouse is a “violation” that more than equals rape and/or abuse. Emotion and physical. Beyond that it’s semantics

            Alex was able to do this effectively because he is using men to do it and as a gay man understand the dramatic power of the moment. When I read it, it effected ME on that level.

            I think many females (#allthewomen) who stand against patriarchal male sexual violations that may range from inappropriate groping or touching to out and out rape and violence might agree that “rape” can mean more than one set of genitalia being inserted into another. I’m not sure that if Duncan did this to Amanda the reaction could have been accepted in the same way.

            As a gay man, I have my own way of defining this scene and Duncan’s acts. I allow everyone else their own. There is no question that that dramatic scene fuels a lot of my personal reaction to Duncan’s character.

            Also, let me be clear that I’m attempting to be honest about myself only, but as a leading fan of TYP, I fully support Alex’s right and intention in creating a powerful piece of drama. It just hit ME where I lived so I choose MY words as I do. It’s amazing work, even if it was hard for me to read. Thanks Alex.

          • Some may disagree about the term ‘rape’ – which was what also got debated so much back on the pages when it happened – but I think most can agree on sexual assult or abuse, if not rape.. since some define rape as unwanted physical penetration.

            (Even though for some, also some states/country laws, sexual assult is also used for rape (instead of rape) which makes it a bit confusing to determinate when definitions aren’t the same – which again also makes the terms debatable for what it means to each person).

          • Kit the Coyote

            Very well put, rape is more than just the physical act. It is a very personal violation, particularly when it comes from someone you have opened yourself to in trust. I remember in Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country *spoilers if you haven’t seen it but lets face after this long if you haven’t you don’t want to* when Spock forcibly mind melds with Valeris to get the information she was protecting, that too, in my view was a rape, even though nothing sexual was involved.

          • “mind rape” is also a term I believe.

            ….which is pretty much what legilimancy in HP is, for the most part

          • Alt+F7

            I see, so you used “rape” in a semi-metaphotrical sense. To mean abduction and abuse in general?

      • Tyler Griffin

        I still feel like ExSec keeps a tight thumbscrew on unsanctioned Heroes. H&K were described as basically bounty hunters. I can see where ExSec would find it immensely useful to have forces that are not “officially” sanctioned or condoned, but are legally certified for minor, specific tasks. Giving ExSec agents it can use to handle messy situations that have plausible deniability for any negative consequences. Say for example, all that damage and destruction H&K did on the date, ExSec can come in now and remind everyone that THIS is why it’s so important for Supers to be trained and regulated, that ANY non sanctioned individuals and teams are a threat to the general public and peace, meanwhile if H&K had actually succeeded they would have met secretly with an ExSec contact to turn in Duncan and collect the bounty on him. This could even be the precedent that Amanda used to create TYP as a search and rescue outfit for misfits. They aren’t “Officially” sanctioned and are heavily frowned up by the “real” heroes, but as long as they stick to handling small disasters and cleaning collateral damage up, ExSex gives them the subtle nod.

  • Alt+F7

    I am amazed that the demon invasion will apparently kill millions of women and children but no men, talk about precise hellish forces!

    • Tyler Griffin

      The demons are all gay? And have a REALLY poor understanding of human reproduction? Thus they think the women and children are useless to their desires?

  • Chris Dangerfield

    It’s time for smores… anyone? anyone?

  • davefragments

    Bloom County has a cartoon today that is heartwarmingly funny in a way only the dear sweet innocent Opus can be funny.

    • Chris Dangerfield

      HA! Opus is great. Thanks.

      • davefragments

        I got a whole bunch of “likes” for my comment.

  • What Duncan is saying on this page, I think it smells of a discussion he’s had before, maybe several times, with Sircea ..or someone else, unknown, though my guess is Sircea.

    It’s like hearing quotes, she’s told him, come out of his mouth. Or words he’s said to himself. Words he’s now on the other side of, and is using with Amanda to almost excuse himself. Words he neither likes saying or likes hearing, but it’s what he needs to believe to be able to go through with it.

    As a plausible theory, I can easily imagine Sircea showing up, years back, telling him she’s seen where the future is going. That, as much as he’s already seen as a villain, he got no choice but to be one of the most evil men to walk the earth.
    He had to do this, as he was one of the few, or the only one, with the powers to do it. Just as he was the one who had to ‘seduce’ Kyle, the one to go to hell for the meeting, and who knows what else. No choices.

    ‘We don’t always get to choose the roles we have to play’. It’s really a peculiar and interesting frase to say. Something bitter that goes waaay back for him.

    • Chris Dangerfield

      That’s an interesting thought. It’s well known that the way we view the world, all the little truths and phrases, the way we view ourselves and our roles in life and many other personal truths — is built in layers from birth onwards. It starts with how our parents teach us to view things and then is layered by what we learn from others and how we sort that out.

      Then “phrases” like the one you point out become engrained and we stop questioning them as truths and they become fixed as we age.

      Some of it even becoming that almost invisible little voice in the back of our heads that tells us what we can do and if we’re good enough. It’s so deep we forget that it might not be true, but just something we heard.

      I can completely imagine Duncan having heard that at some formative age and then implanting it in himself as a life truth.

      So, (assuming Duncan IS gay and he’s clearly well educated) he would be well aware that sexual preference (and many other similar issues) is NOT a choice. So he can understand that, but see’s ‘We don’t always get to choose the roles we have to play.’ as a truth, really supports your idea.

      Very interesting. Thanks.

    • Saxon_Brenton

      I would agree with all of that. I believe Annihilator likes to think of himself as being above petty bitterness and recriminations, and behaves accordingly, even though deep down he has regrets and resentments. I would suggest a key point is whether he is self-aware enough to recognise those all-too-human emotions within himself and deal with the sensibly, or whether he’s in denial and reflexively making excuses without understanding what his problem is.

      However, now that you mention it, I am wondering whether Annihilator and the Priestess had already met prior to the Priestess describing the collapsing-dimensional-walls problem and her proposed solution, or whether the first time they met was when she contacted him regarding a business proposal to save the world and perhaps skim off some benefits. Or, a very nasty third and hybrid alternative, where the Priestess met Annihilator years in advance, cultivated his friendship so that he would trust her, and only then brought up the collapsing-dimensional-walls problem. If the latter, then I wonder if Annihilator recognises the trap she has him in and that adds partly to the bitterness and recriminations. I also wonder if Annihilator’s thoughtful enough to wonder whether the Priestess might be playing him in much the same way that he played Red Hot, which would cause the guilt would continue to pile up on his conscience.

      • Tyler Griffin

        That brings up an interesting thought to me, Duncan told Kyle that if he’d been heterosexual, Sircea would have been the one to seduce him. At the time, it was presented as DUncan offering that the HellDate was nothing personal, just that Kyle was the one who could open the gate, and that’s what they needed to do to get him to open the gate. But no, it makes me wonder, if Kyle had not been gay, how much would Sircea have needed Duncan to begin with. I assume that she would have still wanted someone else to go sign the pact with Laampros (being the one to actually catch the ramifications of failure or betrayal is NOT her style), but if she could have seduced Kyle and opened the first gate herself, and then just needed a messenger to go in and seal the deal, would Duncan even BE here? And does he know/wonder the same thing himself (even if only subconsciously)?

    • Tyler Griffin

      I think it’s a bit more over-arching than that. Maybe he would have liked to be a super hero, but refused to submit to ExSec? The conversation we saw between him and Kyle on their date, about growing up reading the superhero comics and stuff. That might have all just been part of his manipulation, but the best lies come from the heart. I could see Duncan discovering his powers and having visions of glory and heroism, only to had the door slammed in his face due to his criminal connections. His rant about the term “Supervillan” being used as propaganda feels like genuine bitterness to me, and he’s tossed it out more than once.

  • SofiaT

    I haven’t read the comments below so don’t know if I’m repeating what
    someone else has already said. But here’s my take on Duncan’s words in
    this page (and for once I’ll reference christian mythology instead of greek mythology).

    Has anyone read the Gospel of Judas? The idea behind it is that Judas
    wasn’t envious of Jesus, or frustrated with his choices or greedy for
    money, but that he did what he did because he was instructed by Jesus to
    do it. He knew where his actions would lead, he knew he’d be painted a
    villain for all eternity but he also knew his actions were necessary to
    further the plot: if Jesus lived to die an old man, an ordinary death,
    that would defeat the purpose of his birth. He needed to be sacrificed
    for all humanity. And someone had to orchestrate that. Of all the
    apostles, nobody furthered Jesus’ cause more than Judas.

    And I think what Duncan is saying here is that he’s assumed Judas’ role. But
    unlike Judas, who chose suicide because he couldn’t live with the burden
    of his actions, Duncan wants to live. And he wants to be understood. He
    wants to be heard and given absolution not just for the things he’s
    done but also for the things he’s about to do. He wants to be admired and not despised for taking on a role he hates but feels is the only one with cojones big enough to take on; and he knows that’s not going to happen but he wants it
    anyway.

    After all, while he really, really wants to be a Superman, Duncan is only a man.

    (P.S: I think it will surprise no one that of all the apostles, I always liked Judas best.)

    • Tyler Griffin

      I’ve never had the chance to read the Gospel of Judas, but I seen the cliff notes several times. It’s a really interesting theory, and there is some corroboration in the fact that the four accepted gospels go out of their way to tell the reader what a crappy guy Judas was at any chance, which is logical since they were written 300-ish years after the fact and influenced by the prevailing thoughts. I’m not very comfortable with the concept in practice though, as it becomes a slippery slope to justify all sorts of “Ends justify the means” kinds of actions. But it’s a VERY good and relevant reference to this situation! I’d have never made that association.

      • SofiaT

        The thing about Judas is that if he was following Jesus’ orders, he never betrayed him. He was the most faithful of his disciples. It’s like HP & The Half-Blood Prince: did Snape kill Dumbledore if it was Dumbledore who told him to do it in the first place or was it assisted suicide?

        The difference between both of the above cases and this situation of course is that the person assigning the difficult task, is the person who’ll suffer the consequences of the task as well: Dumbledore is the one telling Snape to kill him but he’s also the one to die (didn’t tell Snape “hey, kill half of the student body because that will help in the long-run”), and Jesus asks Judas to betray him so he can get crucified, nobody else.

        Unless aaaaaall the millions of people who will suffer after Laampros’ army descends upon them AND the people in that glass box told Duncan “be strong, you got to do this”, Duncan’s logic has an important flaw: he’s relying on Sircea’s words that this *needs* to be done… and it’s easy for Sircea to say since -unless I’m missing something- she’s not the one being sacrificed. So Duncan thinks he’s Judas but he’s Ephialtes instead.

        • Tyler Griffin

          Right, my discomfort at the concept comes from discussions I have had with folks, a couple of times with extremely conservative Catholics who justified the Spanish Inquisition and early Jesuits with a, “Of course they damned their own souls to Hell, what they did was evil. But they did it in the name of God, in order to save the souls of others.” (Full disclosure or something like that, I am fully aware that that is *NOT* a mainstream Catholic mindset or idea, I just had the misfortune to knowing a couple of Catholics growing up who were as virulently conservative and the Westborrow Baptist Church). But in the GoJ context it is NOT at ALL the same thing.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Tough complex conversation…

            However, I agree with parts of this within the context that — AS A GAY MAN — neither Jesus, Judas, the supposed writings of the Apostles, the church, or Team Silver seem to have a positive answer for anyone outside their own special club.

            In the mentioned cases, someone other than themselves had to undergo the burden of whatever this sacrifice is. To date, the only sacrifice has been Kyle’s.

            Duncan is certainly not seemingly ready to commit suicide for any action he has taken. In addition, both he and Sircea are significantly benefitting — life/health — in ways that Jesus, his team, and the churches as political institutions who used his narrative for their own purposes till our present day, have not.

            So, while I appreciate the idea. I have a hard time comparing the two literally. Team Jesus has been very HARD on the LGBTQ community over the last few centuries. Particularly their slightly insane buddy Leviticus.

            Regarding Team Silver, supposing the coming invasion, being gay wouldn’t help me much if I was in Sweden. In addition, Duncan made it clear that he was only there because Kyle was gay. If he hadn’t have been so, then Sircea would have done the “work.”

            Just saying motivation and good wishes aside? It’s still complicated.

          • Tyler Griffin

            But it’s turning into a very fun and intelligent discussion, I don’t get to have those nearly often enough!

    • I like this line of thought. I always love when folks bring in various mythologies and philosophies. 🙂

      • Tyler Griffin

        Speaking of various mythologies, AJ, you’re watching Lucifer? Is it any good. I saw the previews for it during the XFiles premier and couldn’t decide if it looked awesome or like a total mess. It has the feel of one of those shows that could go either way.

        • Yeah, I’m watching Lucifer. It’s not bad. Tom Ellis is (IMHO) really hot. He really does embody the role he’s playing. He makes me giggle, which really I rarely do unless dude is really hot and charming and adorable.

          After that, I find it enjoyable. The cases aren’t bad. Though I think it’s starting to veer a little into the angsty territory with the one angel working against him behind the scenes etc which really kinda irks my shit. There is a reason I stopped watching DOOL. I admit I prefer if they would stick to the case of the week. Sure you can learn some stuff about the characters but please don’t have it (or the sinister underlying stuff) take over the damn show.

          Check it out. If you stay for Tom Ellis, I wouldn’t blame you. 😀

          • Tyler Griffin

            DOOL?

          • Days of Our Lives.
            Marlena hovered above the bed for 6 months. And how many times has Stefano come back from the dead? Or how many times have they made Sami bad then good then bad then good? They never resolve anything, ever!

            I couldn’t watch Once Upon A Time because nothing ever got resolved just like Days.

          • davefragments

            I never watch Days of our Lives.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            See, that’s why I admire you so much. LOFTY! 😀

          • davefragments

            My my trash wallow is the occasional “Springer Bingo” — that;s a quick tune in to see if there is screaming (3 points), fighting, (4 points), running around the stage fighting and ripping off clothes (8 points) and nudity (10 points, automatic winner).
            It’s all politics or news except for Price is Right and Judge Judy.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            HA!

          • davefragments

            And JEOPARDY, always Jeopardy.

          • I haven’t watched in probably 15 years (at least on purpose). I just couldn’t. I passed by it a couple years ago and it was still the same shit.

          • Tyler Griffin

            *Skips soap opera for 15 years* *catches a scene by chance while channel flipping* “Hmmm… they’re still at the same diner party….”

          • Chris Dangerfield

            HA!

          • Exactly!

          • davefragments

            When I was in college, I had to lay down in the afternoons and just read. Well one week, the cook at the frat house asked if she could watch her very special soap because something was going to happen that day.
            It was uneventful for her. meant nothing to me.

          • They never do anything on those “special day”. It’s always stopped or looked over or or or. Blarg! So yeah, no more soaps for me..

          • Chris Dangerfield

            HOT so helps… amirite?

          • 😛

            With this guy. OMG!!

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Totally agree.

    • syllibub

      I wanted to respond thoughtfully to this because it’s a wonderful parallel, but now I’m just really overwhelmed by how tragic Duncan is. Damn.

      • SofiaT

        Made you feel sorry for Duncan.

        Mission accomplished. >:D

        • syllibub

          I already felt pretty bad for him, haha! But your comment amplified it. Good job?

          • SofiaT

            😉

      • Tyler Griffin

        Nah, as noted below, there is complete and total difference between Jesus telling Judas to betray him to the Romans, and Duncan selling humanity to demons. The parallels are very real and juicy, but at the end, Duncan is still reaping a reward instead of accepting the consequences.

        • SofiaT

          Actually, he’s more tragic than Judas. Judas knew he was doing the right thing. Duncan *thinks* he’s doing the right thing.

          • Tyler Griffin

            Still reaping benefits instead taking the dive 😛

          • syllibub

            I wonder if, at this point, the pain of being reviled by basically the entire population of earth would more than cancel out the benefit of eternal life/youth. Yeah, he’ll live forever, but he’ll be despised by most and essentially alone (I kind of doubt he’ll find much comfort in Sircea’s company, if they even cared to spend time together after all this.) I feel like he made a bad choice out of fear, and now he’s becoming aware of all the downsides.

          • davefragments

            Duncan thinks they won’t know that he did it. Only that he and Sircea saved the world by pushing the demons back and restoring the walls. They aren’t about to explain this to the world.

          • SofiaT

            Also, he plans on betraying Laampros. When all is said and done, I don’t think he’s getting much benefit out of it; if any.

            I’ll be very surprised if Duncan survives this arc, much less come out a winner.

          • syllibub

            I really hope he survives, but I’m pretty sure it’s going to hurt no matter what. *shakes fist*

          • SofiaT

            Yeah. *sigh*

          • Tyler Griffin

            live long enough and all of humanity will forget. History became Legend, And Legend became Myth. and for 2000 years, the betrayal of Duncan passed out of all knowledge

        • syllibub

          Wouldn’t Judas go to heaven if he was ultimately aiding a divine plan, or did he forfeit that by committing suicide?

          • SofiaT

            I don’t believe that suicide is a sin so I’ll go with Curtain No 1.

          • Tyler Griffin

            Anyone who dies by hanging is accursed Deuteronomy 21:23. Suicide or not, if Judas hung himself he forfeited Heaven. But he may not have hung himself! The Bible can’t actually agree on the subject.

          • syllibub

            I don’t think it is/should be, either, but I’m not sure what the official religious view is — I thought Christians viewed suicide as pretty much a “Go Directly To Hell” sin.

          • SofiaT

            If Christians are wrong about viewing Judas as a traitor, then what else they view as a sin is irrelevant; the whole of the Bible is invalid. After all, if you got one important detail as this so wrong, who knows what else you got wrong?

          • syllibub

            I get it — very true!

          • Tyler Griffin

            But, did he really commit suicide. One accounts says he hung himself, but another one says he fell from a cliff 😉 but either way, Judas acted on intructions from Jesus himself, and as such there was no actual betrayal at all, it was all manipulation of events

  • davefragments

    How is everyone? I’m here for the night.

    • Tyler Griffin

      Sleepy, apparently 12 hours wasn’t enough…. I think my job is starting to have implications..

      • davefragments

        About once a week I fall asleep for a couple hours longer than usual.

    • SofiaT

      Frustrated. Was supposed to sew a viking under-dress for the SCA camping festival I’m attending during Easter, but gave up shortly after starting. I hate sewing.

      • davefragments

        I’m not a good one to help with sewing.

    • Not too bad. Waiting for dinner and working bit by it on my website.

      • davefragments

        I had nice pieces of sirloin tonight with potatoes.

        • Mmmm.

          • davefragments

            I bread it and have a nice crust on it. Makes great sandwiches if I wanted that much bread.

          • Sounds tasty! We’re having spaghetti.

          • davefragments

            I haven’t made spaghetti in a while. My next food project will be lamb for Easter.

          • Spaghetti is just lazy dinner for us.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Positively slothful….

          • davefragments

            People act like it’s so hard but really a good red sauce and pasta is simple. I like meatballs.

          • Well we’re all on the store bought sauce (prego) and pasta (something organic) this time.

          • davefragments

            Too much garlic for me and those sauces taste metallic because they use too much oregano.

          • We found the prego traditional isn’t too bad. They also make a spicy sauce that’s pretty good. We plan to make our own sauce at some point, roast some tomatoes in the oven and then purree them. Just need the time.

          • davefragments

            I buy the imported San Marzano Tomatoes or puree because they are sweeter and less acidic than US tomatoes. You have to get them “certified” with the funny words on the label to get the real thing.

          • That’s a thought. We usually try to buy organic tomatoes because they’re so heavily sprayed.

          • davefragments

            IF I’m making sauce from tomatoes then I use plum tomatoes and quarter them. Now that takes all afternoon. Also, I have an emulsifier to puree them after they are cooking. I’ve never roasted them. Got to try that.

          • Tyler Griffin

            most sprays are water based with a waxy residue. SO washing in warm water or parboiling should removed the chemicals, of course the rise of systemic sprays that the plant absorbs has changed that a bit, but farmers are *supposed* stop using the systemic sprays once crops begin flowering. It’s an interesting situation how quickly our food producing technology is advancing, and how slowly regulation of those technologies is advancing by comparison.

          • davefragments

            I always wash vegetables and greens and fruits. I don’t trust whatever they use on the outside of them.

          • Tyler Griffin

            Well, that was my point, you are SUPPOSED to wash them, the stuff sprayed on is SUPPOSED to be designed specifically be removed with a simple warm water rinse.

          • davefragments

            I have farmer friends and neighbors who use the spare horse manure from the barns to fertilize the fields and their gardens. My Brother has horses and sells manure (rolls your eyes) …
            It’s all shit, in plain english. Wash those veggies and stuff that touches the ground.

          • Tyler Griffin

            … Yes.. manure is shit. manure is fertilizer. I have chickens. I shovel out the coop once every three months (deep litter self composting and a diet based on whole grain and lots fresh greenery means no poo smells) and put it int he composting pile for spring planting. 😛 Again, you are supposed to wash produce, I never thought that that was a question anywhere, lol.

          • davefragments

            One year my work sponsored a “Burning Animal Waste” conference and it is properly Bovine Waste, Chicken Litter, and Swine Manure.
            The head of the conference took us all outside and made us say repeatedly cos-shit, horse shit, chicken shit, and all the giggly euphemisms so we could get THAT out of our systems.
            Every one know what it was, we just used polite terms.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Semantics so sublime!

          • davefragments

            Did you know that Chicken Litter can be calcined (roasted) and sold for $5 a pound as premium fertilizer. That’s because it is so high in potash.

          • Tyler Griffin

            I did. Tyson Foods, Koch Poultry, and the other major poultry grower in the US all sell the sawdust and litter from cleaning out their chicken houses to farmers for spreading out on pastures and fields. Ultimately a much better alternative to chemical fertilizers, and it actually doesn’t have to be cooked. Roasting speeds the process up, but simply letting it sit 3-6 months exposed tot he weather allows the excess ammonia to burn off the biological process of breaking down to begin.

          • davefragments

            Swine manure was the worst. Bovine and equine waste could be collected and burned (After some drying, of course) but swine manure was 50% water and runny. There was simply nothing to do but fill large ponds with it and hold your nose.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            My education is so lacking…. 🙂

          • davefragments

            High potassium (potash) fertilizer is required for certain bushes and soils.
            Usually you can buy lawn fertilizer or plant fertilizer that’s marked with NPK percentages — nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium …

          • But the spray also gets into the soil as well. Honestly, I don’t trust any sprays or what they’re supposed to do.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            What about that cute oiled muscle boy at the Ritz Carlton (pool-side) that comes and spritzes you with cool water when you’re sweating in the sun… That okay… right?

          • Tyler Griffin

            No. You heard the lady. Think Edna, No Sprays! 😛 lmao

          • *hits chris on the head with a stale bagel*

          • Chris Dangerfield

            WHAT? I’m helping?

          • *aims second bagel*

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Make it a fritter and we’re good!

          • Nope, stale bagel for you!

          • Chris Dangerfield

            MEANIE!

          • 😀

          • Tyler Griffin

            I have a stale french baget, it’s nicely long and stiff

            0:)

          • Chris Dangerfield

            I little brie and some wine and everything will work out okay. That’s what I say!

          • Look for the Vodka sauce. I don’t think Prego makes one, but Doki recommends. Had it once and it was good. ^_^

          • Tyler Griffin

            Bertolli makes on I believe. I highly recommend the Vodka sauce.

          • Tyler Griffin

            the fun thing is that store bought sauces are actually great bases, they are half way to greatness already, it just takes a little fine tuning to bring them the rest of the way. And can be done idlly while waiting on the meat to cook and water to boil.

          • Prego isn’t too bad that way. It doesn’t use soybean oil and some of the other crap that is in some of them.

          • Chris Dangerfield

            Spoken like a true former student on a food budget… but still true (been there). 😀

          • Tyler Griffin

            I think most of here are a fan of meat balls 0:)

          • davefragments

            I also know how to make Clam and Mushroom sauce with linguini and that is a white sauce. No meatballs.

            For Christmas Eve I know how to stuff squid and make the sauce with the tentacles and red sauce. That uses angel hair pasta.

          • Kit the Coyote

            Yep spaghetti is one of generic fallbacks when nobody has any ideas or we’re just want something simple. The other is make it yourself pizza with the ready made Boboli crusts.

          • Tacos sometimes fall into that category.

    • stickfigurefairytales

      I’m very sleepy. Will probably only be here for a little while before I head off to bed.

      • davefragments

        I know that feeling.

  • syllibub

    I wonder if, should Duncan decide to sacrifice himself and abandon the ritual, we’re going to see him throw down with Sircea.

    • SofiaT

      I think Duncan will throw down with Sircea -eventually. But not yet.
      Whatever is on the other page, I doubt it will be “Jee, Amanda, you know what? You’re right!”

      • syllibub

        Oh, sure — if he comes around, it’s going to be a process, and even if he does want to save the world, I doubt Duncan’s in the frame of mind to be all, “You know what, dissolving from the inside doesn’t sound like the worst way to go.”

        • SofiaT

          I don’t know if I’m looking forward to or dreading the moment Duncan realises he’s on the wrong camp.

          What his reaction will be then… well, we’ll have to wait and see. I have more faith in Duncan to do the right thing than he does in himself.

          • syllibub

            I don’t know if he’ll have time for a full “What have I DONE” meltdown in the moment, but it won’t be pleasant.

          • Tyler Griffin

            Wrong? Heck, I’m personally halfway in FAVOR of their plan. 😛

      • Tyler Griffin

        I’m betting on a timely interruption for our resident Goddess Supreme before D&A’s discussion goes any further.

    • Tyler Griffin

      would be interesting. We’d find out if her claim that she’ll just rise to power anyway, at a later date was a bluff or not. If she was serious, then DUncan will die in a most painful and horrific manor and she greatly frustrated and angry but much unaffected otherwise. If it was all smoke and mirrors, she would make every attempt to FORCE Duncan to carry out the bargain, by any means necessary

      • syllibub

        I would mainly be interested because I don’t think we’ve seen either of them fight at full power yet. Duncan was restrained for most of the battle with the Protectors, and Sircea was splitting her focus between multiple opponents. If it were one-on-one, though, her tactics would likely be different.

        If nothing else, it would be the two of them acrobat-ing around each other in increasingly elaborate maneuvers, and that image is pretty funny.

        • Tyler Griffin

          I think she knows the cure to Duncan’s itch now. Spooky pretty much let that cat out of the bag, Nice little Area of Effect anti-gravity spell on the entire field and cackling deliciously while Duncan floats in the air i potently again, this could become a very beautiful and frustrating (for Big D) running gag.

          • syllibub

            Would that be a situation like Spooky’s, though, where she could suspend him but then wouldn’t be able to use other spells? Unless she were to blast the dampener-dampening bracelet off him first, then she could trap him, then stab him.

            But Duncan’s so quick — he might well be able to evade another suspension spell when his guard is up. Spooky took him by surprise.

          • Tyler Griffin

            that why I said area of effect, with an area of… oh…. say….. 50yds? 😛

          • syllibub

            Ha, I must have read right past that, sorry!

          • Chris Dangerfield

            And there is the time that takes me to KISS him and wake him up… that takes the time it takes. 😀

          • Tyler Griffin

            And with the right tactic,DUncan can be made to “trap” himself. Cast the spell, set the radius of the effect, and center the radius on him by “firing” it at him, he Jumps out of the way of the blast, which hits the ground, and then he just never touches dirt again. LoL. Instant Impotent Rage.

  • Chris Dangerfield

    If Team Silver would just concentrate on making great tomato sauce, then we wouldn’t have any of this worry…………..

    • Tyler Griffin

      I don’t think that we can rebuild the walls of hell with spaghetti, and if we can, then your sauce has gone very wrong.

      • Chris Dangerfield

        Not if you wash things… right?

        • Tyler Griffin

          What was that line Sophia had in Golden Girls that one time “Nice girl but she made a manacotti that could sink a battleship.”

          • Chris Dangerfield

            I LOVE A GAY WHO CAN QUOTE GG!

  • Chris Dangerfield

    You STOP that’s the Admiral’s line!

  • *tosses newspaper to Dave*

  • davefragments

    The pencils for the new page are up:
    http://webcomics.yaoi911.com/typ/ete-ch4-page-13/

  • Justin White

    wow i love hoe you made her. she is awsome