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The Young Protectors: Engaging The Enemy Chapter Three—Page 6

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Yikes! Looks like Fluke really doesn’t want to answer any questions about Kyle right now…

I had a great time at WEBCOMIC RAMPAGE—it was so much fun to get to meet so many of you and it was equally fun to read your “live-blogging” of the panels I was on in the Comments here. 🙂 I’ll let you know when they send me the links of the recorded panels so those of you who missed the live streams can check them out.

I met a ton of great creators there and so I’d like to introduce you to their work over the next few weeks. I’m going to start with Danielle Corsetto’s Girls With Slingshots. Danielle was an amazing sweetheart and her queer strip is very cool. Please take a moment and check it out. 🙂

I also want to recommend Dumbing of Age and Shortpacked! by David Willis. I backed David’s Kickstarter project and it was very cool to meet him in person—even though I was the “new guy” at this Con, he went out of his way to make me feel welcome. Also, his wife Maggie was there too, was equally cool and, as it turns out, is a fan of The Young Protectors! So please take a moment to check out David’s work and give him a hearty Yaoi 911 Webcomics hello!

Also, a gay videogame Kickstarter I’m a backer of has only hours left and is SO close to getting funded. So, if you want to support gay characters in video games, check that out too.

Finally, I have a bit of catching up to do on orders from my Store now that I’m back in town, but once that’s squared away, I’m thinking of having a little Holiday sale, so you might take a moment to look on the site to see if there’s anything you might like, ahead of time. 🙂

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So! The car was caught in time. Flyboy’s questions seem to have hit the brick wall of Fluke’s patience. And most importantly, Spooky was able to rescue his cap! What more zany things are these crazy kids going to experience on the way to see their pal Kyle?

Tune in this Saturday to find out! Hope to see you there!

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  • Sapfo

    Falling!
    And A cute save from My Flyboy XD

    • b3nc0

      I first read ‘Failing!’ & kept refreshing to see who was first if it wasn’t you…

      • Sapfo

        If it was not me, we will see it soon. But right now I am enjoying my virgin.

        *Pet virgin on the head like a supervillain*

        “MUAHAHAHA!”

        • So the virgin is a white fluffy Bond cat? Ohhhhhhh?

          • Sapfo

            <..>
            No, I am allergic to cats.

            *Pet the Virgin some more*
            “Hows a good Virgin? Yes you are!”

          • mogoskier

            Can it be a bunny?

          • Sapfo

            Strange looking bunny. 😉

  • Congrats Flyboy on catching them!

    • Looks like I got my first and probably only TYP virgin.

      • SofiaT

        Sorry Doki, it’s Sapfo.

        • Sapfo

          Jupp, just mine! Muahahaha!
          Sorry Doki!

        • Ah…..that is odd, her comment didn’t show up even after I had refreshed the page twice…..because I didn’t think I was the first one…it just now showed up for me.

          • SofiaT

            Sometimes it takes a while *pats back*

          • If it makes you feel better, I did see your comment appear first on the page.

            But while I try my best to be a just and gentle Word of God, we all know the Disqus gods are crazy…

          • Sapfo

            Oh no! Even Alex taking your side. XD

          • SofiaT

            Alex doesn’t take sides, he’s the God of Neutrality. 😉

            I did see the email notification from your comment first.
            ajxsdj or something like that 😛

          • Sapfo

            Sssh mod Sofia!
            Do not reveal the secret of taking a virgin.

            *Most of the time I pretty much just headbang the keyboard and press Post. Then afterwards I do some Editing of that 😉 *

          • SofiaT

            I didn’t reveal anything, you just did 😛

          • Sapfo, I am willing to bet that we posted within seconds of each other. And we all know how glitchy Discus can be.

          • Sapfo

            So do I think, and I will hand over the virgin if needed….maybe!

          • I am willing to share if you are. Because it was a whole minute before anyone else was here. It was just us and the virgin.

          • SofiaT

            This starts to sound like a sacrifice… o.O

          • Sapfo

            Share, is that something new?
            If you want to play with virgin, you can. 🙂

          • silibub

            I think the Disqus gods are the violent, old ones that demand ritual sacrifice. Thank you for being a benevolent deity.

          • Adam Black

            How come I am the one that keeps getting sacrificed?

          • silibub

            No idea, we might have to take a look at the user agreement. It’s always such a pain deciphering those dreadful blood runes. 😉

          • You are?

          • Adam Black

            feels like it, but not by disqus today

          • Sapfo

            You are a virgin? Wow, blow my mind away, will you! o.O

          • Adam Black

            I could cut myself a new wound, and it wouldnt be virginal.

            …I think someone has beaten me there (re : request )

          • Sapfo

            No need for that. Blood should be on the inside of the body.
            And I hope it was as good for you, as it was for …

          • Adam Black

            Now you sound like a man

          • Sapfo

            No, Im a parrot. If I hear something to many times I will learn that phrase and repeat it. 😉

          • Adam Black

            im drawing a blank…
            ( i need to reload… cant miss this opportunity to offend strangers on multiple continents )

          • The ones with tentacles. Those?

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Uhhh… I’m gonna go find a Holy Avenger sword right about now and hope it works on tentacled old ones. I’m not sure it’ll help though, I may be dragonbane in D&D, but everything else seems to kick my butt!

          • Disqus has been a little weird about that lately (more than usual). When posting within the same few seconds it’s sometimes a ‘lottery’ who Disqus puts first, because comments won’t show until after refreshing. I’ve even had my own or other’s comments not showing for minutes so can’t see how it turned out.

          • Sapfo

            Same here. Yours did not show up until after mine was up.

          • I commented and then refreshed a couple of times and still didn’t see yours. It wasn’t until Sofia said it was you and I refreshed that I saw your comment at all. And that was 16 minutes after.

          • Sapfo

            Well If you play nice with the virgin, we can both have him 😉

          • I promise. ^_^

          • Sapfo

            Yay! ^_^

  • Holly

    I never win but I got to see the page.

    Awe Mitch is so curious, and Paul knows that truth and he’s so grumpy. I am really excited for Saturday. For now though, I need to hit the hay. NIGHT ALL.

  • rgleon9986

    Aaaaaah! New page up!

  • And I just got here, what a timing 🙂

    • rgleon9986

      Me too, I’ve been camping for like… ten minutes. 😛

  • rgleon9986

    Fluke is in NO mood. 😉

  • SofiaT

    Fluke is dishing out some tough love.

    He has the “older brother vibe” down pat.

  • Sapfo

    Oh no you did not just say “man up” Paul!
    Damn it! Sorry, but that is going to annyo me.

    • dereule101

      That sort of thing bugs me too, but they’re kids so I’ll let it slide…THIS time. 🙂

      • Sapfo

        Paul is young, he will learn. But he better do it fast!

      • yes. that!

    • I love your video Sapfo… thanks for that.

      • Sapfo

        Thank you Chris!

        I dont think I would have reacted on it so fast if I had not seen it so recently. But since I mentioned it just the other day, it was just like picking up a red flag in front of my eyes. But I like this story and Hope that it was only the youth of Paul that made him say it.

        In other words, let it go and keep on living a positive and good life

        • Adam Black

          I think there is an oglaf about this …

          • Sapfo

            ADAM XD

          • Adam Black

            its called “amazonlinguistics”

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            And a link for anyone who wants to go read it: http://oglaf.com/amazonlinguistics/

          • Adam Black

            I deliberately didnt link it

            ( a man linking a comic that uses the c-word to women who are feeling language sensitive… )
            Thanks for taking up the mantle

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            You’re welcome 🙂

          • Sapfo

            Slut 😉
            (did you find your slutarmer?)

          • Adam Black

            and I just figured out the alt-text to

            : http://oglaf.com/breastplate/
            ( the slut armor I mentioned yesterday )

          • Sapfo

            What did we do before Oglaf? XD

          • Adam Black

            you had to buy hustler for the comics

          • Sapfo

            That is what I call good progress!

          • Adam Black

            True.
            I mostly stopped seeing this stuff, once I no longer had any junior high study halls*.

          • Sapfo

            Hrrmmm!

            Whispers
            *Trudy Cooper, she´s done comic since she was young. and Doug Bayne, no idea when he started*

            http://oglaf.wikia.com/wiki/Trudy_Cooper

            http://oglaf.wikia.com/wiki/Doug_Bayne

          • Adam Black

            This kid Sean used to draw a “The Sandwich Fucker” series. ( jr High ) I was wondering if eventually the main character was going to top the other dude ( it was M-F-M ) , or cut out the middle woman.
            I encouraged him.

          • Sapfo

            mmmmmfmmmm, every womens dream (not really) 😉

          • Adam Black

            she looked happy

          • Sapfo

            Only if most of the men team up and do each other and she got like one or two men, who really knows the female anatomy. Jupp then she would be happy.

          • Adam Black

            the Yaoi Varsity team?

          • ?The letter on the letterwoman’s jacket?

          • Adam Black

            Do Cheerleaders get jackets?

          • Dunno… never was one. They should.

          • Adam Black

            *Shock*
            In this country, we call it “underwear”
            😉

          • Sapfo

            Uundeerwaar?
            I never heard of such a thing. Is that the standard warrior clothes in your country? 😉

          • Adam Black
          • Steven K.

            Or as they say in the hills and down south, “britches”.

          • Adam Black

            maybe you can reahb that word.
            Start a webcompany selling hot “britches”
            ( think of the models youll hire )

          • Ladies and Gentlemen and NOW the winner of the best new name for an age old item for 2013… “Slutarmor”. Slutarmor will be replacing underpants as the term used to describe men’s under garments.

            The grand prize is….

          • Sapfo

            Chris demonstratign this on the catwalk! Yes!

          • Okay I snorted my soda through my nose I laughed so hard. Excuse me while my dry crying towel gets used to tidy up. Thank you.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            lol, soda through the nose is never fun. But I think I’d rather snort soda than hot peppers. Apparently my hubby did that once while eating General Tso’s. I can’t even begin to imagine how much that would burn!

            And I can’t help think it must have been some joke to snort a solid object!

          • ……..
            ………
            ……….
            OUCH…………

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Yeah, I never know whether to laugh, cringe, or cry every time I hear him tell that story.

          • Adam Black

            That is completely insane.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Yep. It fits him to a tee, because his sense of humor’s completely insane too!

          • Adam Black

            next time , i want to see a video of it,

            “Larry’s Corner” style

          • You always request a video?
            Do you doubt out existence?

          • Adam Black

            and your commitment to Sparkly Motion

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            I think you might be right. I remember there being one too.

          • What part of life is there NOT an oglaf about? LOL.

          • Adam Black

            i havent seen any foreskin restoration ones.

    • rgleon9986

      I’d say cut Fluke a little bit of slack, he did just get seriously shaken up by being dropped from a flying car.

    • I was feeling annoyed too.

    • Madock345

      Honestly, idioms like that have never bothered me, but I can see how some people could take them to wrong way.

      • dereule101

        Before I respond I just want to say I’m not trying to pick a fight about this or anything— just to express how I feel about it. I think it’s less taking it the wrong way and more taking it for exactly what it is – a thoughtlessly worded expression that implicitly tells other people what one thinks and believes. I believe that being careless with one’s words can be as offensive as being cruel with them on purpose. Someone like Kyle is quietly looking for any signs from his peers that it’s safe to be himself: jokes told, reactions to things like that fan art website, and language choices are just some of those signs. Kyle probably hears phrases like “man up,” “don’t be a pussy,” “grow a pair,” and “don’t be a sissy” all the time, and that’s the kind of language that keep people in the closet.

        • SofiaT

          Fair point. But I think “man up” affects women more, not gay men. I mean, gay men are still men.

          That particular expression is not claiming otherwise.

          Women on the other hand… are not.
          Still, I’d let it slide if it was someone who I know doesn’t really mean anything by it. I say “Jesus!” when I get scared and I’m agnostic -I’m not calling for Jesus to save me, it’s just something that comes out automatically.

          • dereule101

            Gay men are told that we’re not real men all the time, but yes, it affects women too.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Try being transgender. Ugh.

          • So so so hard. Yes.

          • SofiaT

            I don’t argue with that. I’m saying this particular expression, doesn’t imply that though. Unless of course it’s used in that context -anything can mean anything if used in the right (or wrong as the case may be) context.

          • There is another context this could be rough on Mitch. He’s a kid working double time to BE A MAN in this group. I remember that age. You want to be older so badly. It’s hard to remember from the other side. Being told you’re acting like a kid or you need to man-up as if you’ve failed can be harsh just from a young age POV. (And I do understand he did just drop the car and he does need to shut up and fly) So, I don’t blame Paul one bit… but Mitch probably felt that. Like any of us would.

            *** And just to be clear… everyone here knows that no one is criticizing Alex for his dialog choice. I just think this is a great conversation. It’s got so many facets speaking to how language effects us all in different unconscious ways.

          • SofiaT

            I agree, that was a very “ouch!” moment for Mitch.

            I think we’ll see an even more determined Mitch to prove he belongs in the Big Heroes’ League from now on.

            I hope that doesn’t mean he’ll put himself in unnecessary danger…

          • My poor Mitch….please don’t do any thing typical like doing something stupid to prove you are “man enough”. *hugs for Mitch*

          • silibub

            Tybalt put it well upthread — “Man up” is sometimes supposed to convey “don’t be so emotional (read: feminine).” Since gay men are notoriously feminized in the media and popular mindset, I can absolutely see how the phrase is harmful to them.

          • Exactly right and well said.

          • Steven K.

            Ditto.

          • We laughed ourselves out of bed once when I was dating a Jewish guy who said “Jesus” when he hit his orgasm. Afterwards, when I mentioned it, we couldn’t stop laughing. There were several reasons he didn’t particularly want me to mention it to his mother. I guess still being in the closet to his parents was only one of them.

          • SofiaT

            Ha! I pointed the same thing out once to a friend of mine who is Jewish and his reply was “Jesus was a Jew so I’m sticking with it”. 😛

          • Steven K.

            Nice rejoinder.

          • Sapfo

            Do like the “Jesus” part of this story. But I do feel kind of sad for him about the other part.

          • Steven K.

            I’m not sure why one would have the urge to tell one’s parents the things that one blurts out during one’s orgasms, no matter what they might be, religious overtones or not.

          • Adam Black

            I could think of reasons.
            but it would be dangerous as it may be brought back over, and over in public.

          • Adam Black

            and… you blurted it out during dinner?

          • Yes Adam, just as the main course arrived.

          • Adam Black

            Jesus Christ, Chris

          • Sapfo

            I thought you where the first man…..

          • Adam Black

            Im not fictional , if thats what you mean.
            But I come first when invited.

          • Need the towel?
            *chris passes adam the no-longer crying towel*

          • Adam Black

            *Gives it back*

            you can launder it first, i know where its been

          • *no I know where it been and I’m happy you could tidy up after YOUR main course.

            I’m glad to help, you can feel free to keep it for your next main course. I’ll get a fresh one.

          • Adam Black

            I have your serving heroin sundays , cuz my pain threshold just got croosed

          • Steven K.

            Now why doesn’t that get a lecture from Alex? Lot’s of less-than-warm-and-snuggly-sounding “you” statements above.

          • Adam Black

            If you are joking:

            Perhaps a person who isnt up on Towel Aesthetic might be confused. A towel offering is still a towel.

            Dont Panic!
            start here: http://www.amazon.com/Hitchhikers-Guide-Galaxy-Douglas-Adams/dp/0345391802

            There is nothing “unsnuggly” about a frood who knows where his towel is.

            << Also I am of the opinion, that if there is a single unjokeable subject on here, it would be joking about someone breaking the rules.

            It creates too much ambiguity. It also creates a giant loophole that someone could break the rules , under the meta-cover of joking about someone else breaking them.

            Such a confusion makes genuine moderation a quagmire.
            Its best left alone.

            If you are serious and not joking:
            there is no real projection here because , it is all fantasy. Its not real. fanatsy is not real. So there was no real projection here. NO one said what i thought, or felt, or tried to claim my voice, or put words in my mouth about real things to criticize them.
            he is also being self-deprecating which creates some cover. Not unlimited cover, mind you. But more than enough for this. So its isnt just he word "you", but its the context and and actual use of it.

            Thats what creates arguments.

            TLDR., dont cry wolf

            Now If you want to make jokes about my feeling about the invisible robot boy I dont have under my bed,
            ( No, I am not going to share, get your own )

            thats entirely different. (
            within reason, a sliding scale of good taste vs familiarity; and degrees of orientation of self-deprecation, and towels.

            The general guide to avoiding "you" in exchange for I statements, is a primer, or a fence to prevent making the mistakes, with that. That first takes a lot of habit of rephrasing thoughts, back into your own personal thoughts and feelings, to avoid making these mistakes so you see what they are.

            For example you should avoid saying:
            "You make me feel unhappy and are selfish because you wont share your invisible robot boy with three speeds "

            Instead say something like "I think you are totally super awesome, and i have a feeling you mightbe even
            happier if you shared your invisible robot sexbot so you can watch "

          • Steven K.

            Most likely a bad idea – such a question. – I’m aware of all the points. Just me being overly sensitive and empathetic lately. Just because I find some statements disturbing, doesn’t mean I should find them so, and, as in other cases, I likely shouldn’t even mention it -since I guess it’s more my problem than anyone else’s. So the fault really wasn’t with you. Like you, I’ve been going through some very difficult circumstances, which I’m likely going to have to endure for the rest of my life, and for some reason I’ve become even more sensitive about certain things than I used to be. Maybe there’s some need for some more intense therapy. Or those extra 4-6″.

          • Adam Black

            I appreciate you backtracking.

            May I humbly suggest escapism. It was working for me for a while.

            “ike you, I’ve been going through some very difficult circumstances” well that really sucks.
            I hope your external life is set up to cope.
            ( Mine is not, hence any small problem gets magnified beyond what It should )

            “which I’m likely going to have to endure for the rest of my life,”
            I wish i could say i truly understood. That is actually what one of my main problems is. See that is something I am likely to think, and deal with, and then be forced to ignore, try and build a life around chaninging circumstances and then have it happen all over again. None of which means my problems are as serious as yours. But the contant back and force feeling this way, is mind-fuck so much that I have no idea what is true. and paradoxically if I did, it would very bad news.

            So as much as i would like to sympathize with your feeling, i feel like a liar doing so.

            Everthing i do is a guess and a blind gamble. can i do this, is this too much, will this small thing backfire and give me muslce damage that screws up me stitting down and reading webcomics.

            I can manage an extremely good imitation of a fully able person. Thats the problem. Its an act, and I pay a heavy price for it. I have a friend whos paraplegic ( young and cute too! ) who lead s a full active life, travels to thailand etc.

            “Maybe there’s some need for some more intense therapy. Or those extra 4-6″.”

            I am sure there is good Cognitive-Phallic therapist somewhere out there. Let me know if you find one.

            Oh, sorry for being a narcissist. Hope things look up for you. Its a survival habit. Someone has to lookout for me, and until I find him, Its an overwhelmimg full time job.

          • Adam Black

            lil’ crusty , i’nnit ?

          • Steven K.

            I think you should have 2 separate towels – one for the crying and one for the…umm…..”not crying”. Maybe moaning or even screaming, but def. not-crying.

          • Adam Black

            I will never understand how christians can eat jesus.
            Especially in public…

          • Steven K.

            You should watch the film “Royal Hunt of the Sun” – there’s a great line from the captured Incan King (whom they are trying to convert) regarding that.

          • Adam Black

            well got no sound right now.
            or real video.. or tv
            Nothing in my life is really working, ( other than wifi.

            but Ill have to look it up. Sooner or later I should have something running

          • Steven K.

            That is soooo absolutely charming. *Sigh!*

        • VileTybalt

          I’ve really gotta stop with the uber-long comments otherwise they’ll never get read. So I’ll try being brief.

          I totally agree that stupid phrases like that enforce ridiculous and often detrimental ideas of masculinity and femininity, but I don’t think that’s the point here.

          Fluke isn’t saying “stop acting like a girl”. He’s saying, stop acting like a fifteen year old, because you’ve got to be a superhero.

          • SofiaT

            Which is harsh, but true.
            “Ouch!” for Mitch. Nothing hurts worse when you’re so close to adulthood than being talked to like you’re a kid.

          • VileTybalt

            Agreed, but I kinda think he had it coming. I mean sure it’s really unfair for him to act older than he actually is, but that’s a pretty common theme in comics (“with great power comes great responsibility” ring a bell). And he had to know what was expected of him when he joined up. In particular, on this page he’s being very immature, with his twenty questions about Duncan and his pouting about not being in the in-circle. He needs to respect Kyle’s privacy and be patient.

            Sorry, not trying to be a Mitch hater. Don’t flog me!

          • SofiaT

            No flogging from me. I said “harsh, but true, remember? 😉

          • VileTybalt

            Aww, not even a good flogging? ;P

          • SofiaT

            …Well if you want to be flogged.

            Although “flogging” sounds a bit too hard, how about a mild spanking instead? 😛

          • VileTybalt

            I was about to say that since I went to Catholic school, anything is better than scourging, but just looked it up and apparently they’re synonymous. All I know is: nothing with bits of metal ripping the flesh of my back. Other than that, spanking, riding crop, it’s all the same thing.

            Wow, I took that way farther than I intended to. I think I even just creeped myself out a bit.

          • SofiaT

            It was the words “Catholic School” that creeped me out. I feel for you. *pats back*

          • VileTybalt

            Thanks, though by the time I graduated I think I’d frightened them a little more than they’d frightened me, so I felt pretty good about it. *grins devilishly*

            Having a witch for a mom FTW!

          • Steven K.

            HA!

          • No worries.

            This is always the trickiest bit of these conversations when we cross over in talking about them as fifteen year old boys and then also suddenly as super heroes with a vague changeable bag of additional expectations.

            I find your explanation understandable, because you’re explaining when your expectation of Mitch is adjusting because you feel that way due to his role, which is a step above and beyond just being a 15-18 year old kid behavior.

            Shifty stuff.

          • Steven K.

            I agree.

          • dereule101

            My point isn’t really about what “man up” means to the person who says it, but rather about what it implies to the person who hears it.

          • VileTybalt

            Fair point, though that’s an incredibly slippery slope. I mean, for example is a remark racist if one person perceives it to be? And does that make the person who said it racist? Intent has to count for something.

            Yes, a few careless words can hurt people whether it was their intent or not, but there has to be a balance between choosing your words carefully and not taking everything personally.

            Though I’d say that most people who are over-sensitive to such comments have been conditioned to be so by people whose intentions were hurtful. Maybe I’m an idealist, but I believe that if no one used these idioms in a hateful way, that we would stop perceiving them that way as well.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            I’m actually tempted to agree with you here, if no-one used phrases like that hurtfully, the phrase would lose its bite. There’s also a bit of the differing upbringing problem thrown in for good measure. One person’s experience is not anothers, it’s influenced by the time and place they grew up in.

          • dereule101

            Well, there is a different between being a racist and saying something racist. Intent does count for something, and you’re right that someone could be offended by what another says even if it was meant to be completely benign. Like it’s commonly said, once you speak them, your words can’t be unspoken. All the more reason to make sure what you mean and what you say are as similar as possible. How does that three gates thing go? “Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?”

            It’s worth remembering that we all have different experiences. A lot of gay men, for instance, might not get upset by people who use the word “fag” casually. Others do get upset by it. A while back in my gym’s locker room, some guys were throwing around the word faggot and, sure – they probably were just palling around, but when I hear it I have to wonder if these are the kind of guys who call “hey faggot!” at guys walking out of gay bars and follow them to scare them. Would they call me a fag if they knew I were gay? Vandalize my vehicle while I was in the gym? Assault me? I have close friends who were gay bashed – even one who was killed on his way home from a club – and I have to wonder what people are capable of when they throw racist, homophobic, or otherwise careless language around.

            I think you’re onto something about the conditioning of people who are sensitive to people’s words, and it’s worth it to consider why they feel that way. It can be easy for us to get defensive if we didn’t mean offense. No one likes to apologize for something they didn’t mean to do, but rather than completely devaluing someone’s reaction, understanding their reason helps us become more emotionally mature people.

          • Hikaru Takemori

            Talking about this subject made me think of two things:an episode of ‘equals three’ and an episode of ‘Bullshit!’.
            In the episode of ‘Equals Three’ Ray talked about how, with the passing of time, formaly acceptable terms suddently become offencive(at least not PC), like ‘transvestite’, and being called an asshole for not imidiatly knowing and using the new PC terms.
            The ‘Bukkshit!’ episode was about there seems to be a conection between having PC courses in a company and the decress of a diverse working force. It seems after being told over and over about how careful you have to be with what you say you tend to make your life easier by not hireing people in whos company you have to be so careful.
            These two episodes tought me that while I should try to not be offencive I also need to try not to be offended or hurt by what other people are saying.

            p.s.: I’m not quite satisfied with my comment, but to tired to do something about it.

          • Steven K.

            Great post – I tend to agree with all that. But truly sorry and saddened to hear about your friend who was killed.

          • Steven K.

            I’ve been around long enough to have lost the type of idealism that you mention. But it is so awesome and wonderful that you can still be said to have it. Don’t YOU lose that! I’d be sad if you did.

          • Steven K.

            That too.

        • Madock345

          But the thing is that it’s kind of generalizing to say that all gay men, or all women have a problem with that kind of language- as I said, it’s never bothered me. I think it comes down to whether or not you are able and/or willing to look past the literal meaning of the words, and the origins of the phrase, to view them in their modern context and intent. The phrase “man up” isn’t used to mean “don’t act like a girl” the majority of the time, and I don’t think we should treat it like it is.

          • You’re right. Today. An adult and out of the closet. (lets face it my closet has been atomized out of existence) I’m fine with all of it. You can’t hurt me.

            But as a pre-teen / teen in the closet and growing up… it really fucked me up when hanging with people I wanted to think were my friends and the lame/gay mix got thrown around. I knew they didn’t mean it maliciously, but I sure didn’t feel safe to come out.

            Lame, uncool, wrong, bad, broken… there was a lot of shit to get past to get to being strong enough to shrug it off. I’d love someday if we could get to a place to spare some teen even some of that. It was harsh hard stuff for me.

            Good talk though.

          • *hugs Chris* People shouldn’t be made to feel ashamed over who they love or are attracted to. *sigh* Hopefully there will be a day….someday….in the not too distant future…

          • SofiaT

            And not in a galaxy far far away.

          • HA!

          • VileTybalt

            POINTS! Wow, this is totally dead-on. Unfortunately, I say that as someone still in the midst of sorting out the shit, and not standing victoriously on the other side of it. But it’s nice to know it can be done.

            Ironically, for me being gay was never the big issue. It was just being me, all of me, that seemed to be wrong. Again, I wish I could say I was past feeling all of this, but my string of failures (school, jobssss, relationship-ish) all tell a different story.

            Another reason I’m so happy to have this forum of amazingly intelligent and open-minded people to learn from. Sometime to just listen to and sometimes to engage with. But either way it’s a huge relief just to know that there are other people who’ve felt what I feel and they made it out alright!

            Lurvs to everyone!

          • Jamie Dutton

            *HUGS* Glad to have you here!

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            I’m with Jamie on this, it’s darn good to have you here!

          • *hugs* Want me to adopt you? Well….you are probably too old to be my kid, but how about brother? Want to be my adopted brother?

          • VileTybalt

            *lets himself be hugged; and is happy* Thanks, and sure. I’ve always wondered what it would be like to have a brother! My whole family’s notorious for it’s lack of Y chromosomes…… *thinks about crazy baptist cousin with five daughters and who believe that women can’t wear anything that show their knees* ……. and brains!

          • Well….technically I am a sister, but if you want you can call me brother. Seems I am extremely good at being “one of the guys” ……too good sometimes *sigh*

          • SofiaT

            Your avatar is probably confusing people.
            Although it seems pretty sex-less to me. Is it from a yaoi?

          • Nope, not a yaoi. A highs school comedy about a poor girl who gets a scholarship to a rich kids school. She is mistaken for a guy and gets drafted into being a Host to pay off a debt. My avatar is Kyoya aka the Shadow King, Demon Lord #1. V=http://ouran.wikia.com/wiki/Kyoya_Ootori

            My first avatar was two guys kissing, then it was that awful dare picture, and when it came time to change it back I was thinking about using Fujiwara no Sai, but I couldn’t get the images to work. I was looking through the images I had and settled on Kyoya.

            Though I think a lot of people would love Haruhi’s take on things. She is always saying “girl or guy, I don’t care either way how you see me” She doesn’t care about gender differences. Her father also makes a very pretty lady and is bi.

            Ouran High School Host Club has an anime, manga, live drama, and a live drama movie. And I think I have seen it all. Though the first time I watched the drama, I nearly died from laughter.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            I’ve only seen some of the anime, but I really enjoyed it.

          • SofiaT

            I didn’t understand half of what you just wrote, as I don’t read those type of comics, but the point is the avatar is a guy from a comic (not a yaoi but a manga, did I get that correctly?) about a girl who gets mistaken for a boy. Right? 🙂

          • In short…yes. The link is a pretty accurate bio of the character.

          • SofiaT

            Oh yes, the link! Oops.
            I never check links after a page update, they’re too distracting and then I have to run to catch up with all the comments!

          • Steven K.

            So Tybalt mistaking the avatar for one of a boy/male was spot-on then!

          • If only Kyoya was both legal and real…..*sigh*

          • VileTybalt

            Whoops, sorry. Still keeping track of this stuff, heh. To paraphrase Alex: what’s with all of these women in my Yaoi comic! Haha, so just kidding. Please observe the “no flogging” sign.

            But yeah, I did totally think your avatar was a dude. Not exactly like that’s the deciding factor anyways. I mean, my avatars are rarely even human, though I definitely am. *sigh* …dreams wistfully of being a big, scaly, fire-breathing dragon, flying over vast tracts of land and terrorizing stupid sheep … (so not a furry by the way)

          • No offense taken. It is. See my reply to Sofia. He is my fave character from Ouran High School Host Club……he is also the scariest one.

          • Steven K.

            I like the current “angelic” one. Of course I also have a romantic fixation on the fictional character of the angel Castiel from supernatural, and wish I had an angel like that (or a few other permutations) popping in on me on a regular basis, maybe I have some bias there.

          • HA

          • I had a friend who spent a year living with his “roommate.” A guy he was madly in love with and he was steeling himself to tell his parents, particularly his mother who was rather tightly wound. He took his “roommate” home to have dinner as usual and then his “roommate” left and he sat them down and told them he was gay and his roommate was the guy for him.

            It never occurred to him that his mother would flip out because his roommate was racially different.

            I heard the story long after it had happened and sorted itself out, so he was telling it as a joke about coming out, but he said he was so surprised that he just excused himself and left and went home… totally at a loss.

            So it goes to show, it’s never what you expect.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Wow. Ouch. What a coming out story.

          • The last relationship I was in before this one was with a black man. My parents requested that I date someone of my own race because mixed children are undesirable. They’re great people.

            I’m so sorry your friend has such terrible parents. I feel for him.

          • 🙁 No children are undesirable! And we are all ONE race. The HUMAN race……we just have different ethnicities. I personally wouldn’t mind having a kid with either Middle Eastern (I used to be obsessed with Egypt) or India n looks….possibly asian on that list too.

          • SofiaT

            For some people it’s not about children being undesirable to them though, it’s about them worrying about the society their children will grow up in and how it will treat those children.

            For example, I’d rather not give birth to a mixed-race child in a country where racism is strong. Because I know my child will suffer for it. And if you asked me if I’d rather my child is hetero or gay, if I lived in a perfect society, I’d say “all the same to me”. But we don’t live in a perfect society and I’d rather my child would never have to face the discrimination and ridicule gay people continue to face every day in their lives. 🙁

            If I had a mixed-race child or a gay child, I’d fight the world tooth and nail to keep it from hurting her/him. But i know I’d never succeed 100%.

          • *sigh* We have such a long way to go.

          • Steven K.

            Well, from the little you’ve described of yourself, and from your comments here, to my point of view, I’d never call you a failure. You have such a range of wonderful interests and talents, your current pursuits would seem to be artistically successful, you have an obvious great deal of intelligence, and if your beautiful avatar is any adequate representation of the “real you” – inside and/or outside, you seem pretty amazing to me.

          • Steven K.

            I would hazard to say I’m not so sure – especially among teenage boys even today. I think that it is still used to mean “don’t act like a girl” in various groups. The larger issue, as pointed out, is the notion that “acting like a girl” is somehow bad or improper for a guy. And would that include things like crying, being emotional, being in touch with one’s feelings, etc.? And then there’s the question of what LIKE a girl. or LIKE a boy means or should mean in the first place, or if gender roles/stereotypes have various levels of validity.

        • See that’s EXACTLY it. When I was growing up (and still today) sometimes totally unconsciously guys will say, “That’s so gay.” when they mean, “that looks or is lame.” I grew up with that. Gay was lame, ugly, uncool etc….

          Unconscious and so painful for me and my secret.

          So I get it from both directions. And I’m guilty of many of the other usages.

          Good discussion.

        • Steven K.

          Yep.

    • SofiaT

      I didn’t even notice it till you pointed it out, to be honest.

      While I had seen that video too and I agreed with the guy 100%.

      I guess some times expressions are just that.
      I’m sure I’ve been guilty of saying it once or twice myself.

      • Sapfo

        I think we all are at some point, yes. We just have to keep on working on it until it is not a expression anymore.

        • I agree with you both. I’ve certainly said it, but after that video it’s on my watch list for sure.

          • I’m with you, Chris. Like my realization from a page or two ago about whether frotting was “real” sex (or sex is just sex and don’t need to be so darn restrictive about it, Gryph), this is another realization about how we use popular expressions. I’m bookmarking this vid too.

          • Steven K.

            Right – I’ve never found myself doubting that being naked together in a bed, one on top of the the other, and rubbing genitals together to the point of orgasm was some form of “real sex”.

      • silibub

        I have mixed feelings about it, because it’s such a common idiom that a lot of the macho, hyper-masculine associations aren’t really applicable? Much like “grow a pair,” it’s become so generalized that it’s basically meaningless — but that probably means it’s time for a new, non-gendered phrase rather than a free pass to perpetuate these.

        • SofiaT

          Exactly. It would be good if expressions like that became obsolete but until then I won’t blame everyone who is using them, out of context.

          • Agree. I am keep the addy of the video on hand though. I have plenty of friends who should see it. I needed it.

        • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

          …sure, but in a way, grow a pair has the ability to be used as a way to reinforce both genders, whether it be grow a pair of balls, or grow a pair of boobs. Still not quite acceptable because it reinforces a binary gender way of thinking, but better than ‘man up’ by a long shot.

          • silibub

            Yeah, could be boobs, ovaries…in any case, since what it means is essentially “grow up/be mature about this,” there should be plenty of ways to communicate that sentiment without falling into gender binary-ridden cliches. Although from a writing standpoint, it’s perfectly reasonable for a teenage boy like Paul to say it.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            I agree, there should be plenty of ways to communicate it other than grow a pair, but honestly, I don’t like ‘grow up’ either, it reinforces the old vs young mentality that’s just as damaging and dividing. I do agree that from a writing standpoint, it sounds very natural for certain groups of characters to use.

          • silibub

            “Grow up” can be harsh, I agree — especially when you’re saying it to someone like Mitch, who is essentially still a kid. Plus, age doesn’t necessarily indicate mental/emotional maturity *cough*Duncan*cough*

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Exactly. The truth is, everyone can learn something from everyone else, so minimizing someone on the basis of any difference from yourself is not only cruel, it’s also short-sighted. 🙂

          • dereule101

            I’m getting that tattooed somewhere.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Aww, I’m glad you like that snippet of wisdom. 🙂

          • “Little Hero”

          • silibub

            Heh, that pet name really nags at me because while on one level I find it kind of sweet, it’s also infantilizing and sets the power dynamics of the relationship pretty clearly. Knowing Duncan, it was probably a deliberate move.

            …although it’s really entertaining to read through the comic treating “Little Hero” as a reference to Kyle’s penis. I am awful.

          • SofiaT

            I read it as wishful and tender. Duncan is no hero and he does admire Kyle, because he is the kind of man he never was.

          • silibub

            That’s a great point that I didn’t think about — it doesn’t seem as troubling a nickname if we take Duncan’s expressions of admiration at face value (which I of course am inclined to do!) So…do you think the nickname started as something intended to put Kyle at a disadvantage, and then evolved into an actual expression of tenderness once Duncan got to know him better, finally culminating in a painful and emotional farewell? The thought just kicked my feelings in the groin, so I’m gonna go with that *emotional masochist*

          • SofiaT

            I think it was used ironically at first, a condescending pet name from an older, “wiser” guy. But then, as Kyle grew on him, I feel it took the meaning I described on my comment above.

            Edit: not just in the end though. I think Kyle started to grow on Duncan on their first date in Hong Kong. And, damn! The boy saved his life then, that must count for something too, right?

          • Steven K.

            I agree with you about the evolution of that, and again, I like how you have been able to keep a positive spin on it even at this point.

          • Steven K.

            At least I was thinking/hoping that was the case. I appreciate you putting it in those terms.

          • Steven K.

            Hmmm…yeah, and here I made the mistake of thinking that was just a cute term of affection.

          • Steven K.

            But “man-up” not only has the same implications as “grow up”, but can also be used to call into question a male’s masculinity, so I think it’s even worse. In any case, nice reference to Duncan’s maturity level in certain respects,

          • And if it promotes productive and respectful discussion about gender-binary cliches in the comments, that’s even cooler. From this writer’s standpoint. 😉

          • dereule101

            Exactly. I have no doubt Alex knows better, but he *is* writing teenager dialogue. It starts the discussion for us all.

          • See and “grow a pair of ovaries” just made me laugh… so does that make a point or is it just as wrong?

          • SofiaT

            “Grow a pair of ovaries” actually sounds very painful o.O

          • silibub

            LOL, and sprouting a pair of breasts out of nowhere doesn’t sound like a picnic, either!

          • SofiaT

            Breasts hurt, period. *sigh*

          • silibub

            Ha, yeah — although at least mine don’t hurt my back, too.

          • Yes they’d be much better sprouting out of a chest. That’s Oglaf material again. If we wait long enough I’ll bet Adam knows where it is.

          • Oglaf actually scares me at times.

          • silibub

            I guess it depends on why it made you laugh!

          • Good questions… only that I’ve only heard balls and that sounded correspondingly the same for a female and that made me chuckle but then, come to think of it, I can’t really remember ever hearing women link ovaries to maturity or strength or whatever it is that makes men say “grow a pair (of balls)”.

            And reading on down… “grow a pair of breasts” just makes me furrow my brow and look confused.

            So I have no good answer to that very pertinent question. Meh!

          • Steven K.

            I agree.

    • VileTybalt

      I can see how this would be annoying, but actually I think you’re misreading what Fluke is saying here. And that’s because you’re reading Mitch’s attitude in a very different way than Fluke.

      I’d say that Fluke perceives his constant questioning as immature and impatient. He thinks he’s acting like a little kid who has to know everything, without understanding why someone wouldn’t want him to know certain things. So, when he says “man-up” he means “grow-up”. Fluke’s telling him that if he wants to be treated the same as the rest of the group, he needs to stop acting like the baby. Even if he’s only fifteen.

      However, I feel like you guys are reading Mitch’s attitude as one of concern and compassion for Kyle. So in turn you’re reading Fluke’s “man-up” statement as “stop being so emotional” which goes back to those stupid gender stereotypes that say that women are emotional and men are stoic and responsible.

      Personally, I lean more towards Fluke’s view of Mitch, as being a bit immature and whiny, especially on this page. But regardless of whatever Mitch’s attitude is, what matters is the way that Fluke is reading it. Because that’s what influences the meaning of his “man-up” statement.

      • There are really two discussions (I’m responding to a post you made 2 hours ago above) one is language and our unconscious uses of it. And the other is Alex’s use of teen language in this very specific dynamic between this subset of the “rescue” group of The Young Protectors and these three friends together.

        Language gets well discussed above and below.

        I just want to say that I think as you are discussing in your post above, that Alex does a great job with this particular dialog, on this page, in capturing these guys, their ages and their relationships, in this moment and activity. I can really feel where they are all coming from and hoping for or worried about. Each line tells us something about them and I think it’s very well done. And that’s not easy to do. Wonderful character business all around for me.

        • stickfigurefairytales

          (This is totally unrelated to the wonderful insights and thoughts people are articulating here, but I just realized that depending on how we each arrange our Disqus comments view – best or newest on top – and when we came to the page, “up” and “down” might be completely different for different people. Mind = blown)

          P. S. This is why I’m not allowed in the serious discussions.

          • “…. as I reply to your comment (link provided below)…”

            Auuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh….

            *chris’ not so super-computer starts smoking*

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Oh no!!

      • Steven K.

        I’m in the latter camp you mentioned – that Mitch is just showing worry and concern for Kyle and curiosity over his condition and also feeling an urge to be part of the action to help and heal – rescue – Kyle (it really does sound like he has a “crush” on Kyle – or at least a “big-brother worship” type of thing). But even if I wasn’t, I’d still have an issue with the “man up” phrase.

    • Jamie Dutton

      Ouch, I just had a sudden flash of one of them saying that within Commanda’s hearing! ><;
      Lol, she's probably tougher than all of them put together!

      • Sapfo

        You better belive it! XD
        She have trained with the Navy Seals for eleven months. She could break them in half. 😉

    • Sapfo, that was great. I just tweeted it. Thanks for sharing.

      • Sapfo

        Oh, thank you! ^_^

    • Steven K.

      Totally OK reaction – I felt the same way about that phrase and said as much rather early.

  • SofiaT

    Ha! Spooky really was trying to catch the cap!

    • I looked in vain for horns, tentacles, extra eyeballs, bald spot, another set of ears, and little wings…

  • silibub

    I love all three of them so much, I can only sit here and clutch my face! And…does this mean Kyle told the whole truth to Paul (and then by agreement to Spooky)? Because if he did, then I’m loving Paul’s take-no-shit attitude even more — he would absolutely shut down anyone who’d harass Kyle over this.

  • Way to go Fluke for keeping the secret! It’s nice to see the integrity in a character, since so many times you see where they give into pressure so the author can create drama.

  • SofiaT

    I used to read Girls with Slingshots a couple of years ago and then, I don’t know what happened, but I just stopped. Life, I guess.

    Have some serious catching up to do and I don’t even remember where I was left… Ugh.

    • Adam Black

      its still good

      • The Admiral recommended it to me recently and I’ve been totally into it. So THANK YOU AJ.

        • I did?

          • Sapfo

            I see you and I have the same kind of memory 😉

          • I’m trying to jar my memory. I don’t think I’ve even read Girls with Slingshots so I’m not certain how I recommended it. o.O

            I did recommend Head Trip. http://headtrip.keenspot.com/

          • Clearly no worse than mine… this might have come when I copied Doki’s awesome list of links… yeah… maybe from there. (?)

          • Probably. 😛

  • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

    I just love the way the glow of the headlights is painted, and the way the sky looks so beautifully vibrant. Starfields and starry skies are among the hardest things to get right, so as someone who regularly paints both, I want to give a shout out for the amazing amount of work that goes into something so seemingly simple! Well done Vero!

  • Madock345

    I wonder what Spooky is thinking here- he seems oddly pleased given the circumstances. Maybe it just comes from having more experience than the rest of the YP, he has that unruffled vibe.

    • I wonder if this flying car stunt is one they’ve practiced with Mitch before… he’s still learning his powers. Right?

  • silibub

    I don’t know whether to be amused or disturbed by how chill Spooky is about potentially being dropped to his death. Just like, “Yeah, got my hat back, putting my feet back up on the dashboard…good to go.”

    • amanda

      lol reminds me somewhat of jack sparrow

      • silibub

        Ha, that’s actually really accurate!

    • SofiaT

      Fixing the jacket, making sure it sits right.
      Very James Bond-ish.

    • Adam Black

      He was terrified of loosing his hat

      • silibub

        I know! Like his reaction wasn’t even “Oh shit, we’re falling to our deaths!” It was “Oh shit, my hat came off!” Priorities, Spooky.

        • Adam Black

          Its a big HINT!

          • silibub

            It would be funny and interesting if the hat did have magical properties, kind of like Sircea’s staff. Maybe magic users have an object they imbue with power, and it helps them “focus” their abilities somehow. Sort of the same principle as a wand. So Sircea has her relatively straightforward staff, while Spooky chose something more…eccentric.

          • Adam Black

            next chapter, maybe?

          • Mystically shortens the refractory period? Just askin?

          • Adam Black

            the hat?

          • That’s why I want one. Actually two. One for me and one for my guy.

  • CH

    I love Spooky just calmly grabbing his hat.

  • Oh why did Paul say ‘Man up’. That’s one of the few statements that always irks me, but I guess the frase is so commonly used that I’ll let it slide. Fluke wants to make sure that they don’t get dropped again before he’s giving details.

    Can’t have Spooky almost losing the hat again 😉

    • silibub

      Do you think Spooky has other, identical caps in reserve in case he loses one? I like to picture a dresser drawer just full of spare caps, like a cartoon character’s wardrobe!

      • Sapfo

        Jupp, he certainly has a few boxes at home

      • Oh I’m sure he has merchandice, since Spooky has a fanclub and all (I think I read somewhere).. It’s like a trademark 🙂

      • Adam Black

        they are magical .

        No hat, no powerz

    • stickfigurefairytales

      I also find that phrase problematic, but I like to spread the phrase “Woman up” myself.

      • How about “Human up”?

        • SofiaT

          That sounds way more insulting somehow :o/

          • Errrffff! Maybe I should delete it?

          • SofiaT

            LOL. No, I didn’t mean you were being insulting.

          • I was thinking “be more human” as in compassionate and kind but obviously it didn’t come across that way.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            I like that idea for something to encourage, though!

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            lol, yeah, better to dog up or horse up, because dogs and horses are much nicer to everyone than humans 😉

          • Now, this is another thought. I’ve always wondered why people made references to dogs as the lowest of the low such as “going to the dogs” or “bitch.” Dogs are wonderful and I agree that sometimes it seems dogs are much nicer than some humans.

        • stickfigurefairytales

          I think that what I like about “woman up/man up” if they are a pair of phrases if that it moves the emphasis more towards acting like an adult rather than acting male.

          • I always kinda liked: put on your big boy/girl panties 🙂

        • Klaus

          How about “grow up”?

  • b3nc0

    The time to comment on the updated PoC http://princeofcatscomic.com/ & here is too & all the comments I haven’t even read all comments from last page. Seriously gotta to find some English-talking brain cells to Frankenstein mine…
    Fluke is using one more classical teen-management trick: are you a man, or what?

  • Damn, Fluke tells it like it is. I kinda feel bad for Mitch though, The youngest always seems to get left out of the loop. Poor kid.

    • SofiaT

      O.O *sigh*

      …Sorry, what did you say? I was too busy staring at your avatar.

    • And then one day Mitch wakes up and he’s 3 years older than the oldest Young Protector and he realizes he’s got his act together and join one of the Adult Super Hero teams, and now he’s the youngest member again, but now he’s the cutest and everyone is envious of him and wants to date him and ……..

      Wow, this shit is so complicated? 🙂

      • Ahhh, but that’s how it always works. Life is ever confusing, no explaining it.

  • Cid Highwind

    Damn, you have to love loyalty and friendship like that!

  • Thanks you so much Alex and Adam & Veronica

    For all my tough ninja talk, now I can admit I fakin’ the tough and was really hoping for just a little more flying car and our dudes flying cool before we got to our poor Kyle. So Alex thanks so much for a little more flying time. Much appreciated.

    Love love love that Spook doesn’t say one single thing. Just has that OMG look before he snags the cap and then just that little smile… not even ruffled after he got his cap back.

    Love Paul’s, “Christ Mitch!” That is the exact perfect line (clearly this isn’t the first time they practiced this with Mitch) and Mitch’s sheepish little, “Sorry guys.” That is about as adorable as it gets when you drop your buddies in a cool car from several thousand feet up. I mean, what else is a guy to say?

    And I totally agree with both Silibub and Sofia below. Paul is giving us 100% perfect big brother no-nonsense attitude. FUN TIME IS OVER… we’ve got work to do! And I agree, I think Paul knows enough that he is ready to stop yacking and GET TO KYLE.

    He’s damn worried and it shows. I don’t know if it’s romantically driven or buddy driven but, either way, it’s clear Kyle is very important to Paul and he has great urgent energy on this page. I love him for it.

    This is just a great clean no nonsense go gettum page. It really reflects the way a lot of us feel as we worry about Kyle.

    So many wonderful things to say about the art, angles and colors. The page is gorgeous, but I LOVE the angle of the car and Mitch as he dives and grabs the car in the upper half of the page, eventually getting us directly along side. The shifting of perspective is beautiful throughout the page.

    Thank you again Alex after your long weekend. And to the entire team for getting this up so early tonight… nice present. I hope this means you get a decent nights sleep tonight, and get some serious recovery happening before the weekend!

    And as one who missed the much discussed panels, I’m looking forward to your post when they become available. They sound pretty great.

    SHFCF (Super Happy Flying Car Fan) signing off!

    All best,
    ChristopherD

  • Jamie Dutton

    I love the first 2 panels of Mitch catching Samantha and the gang before they plummet to their death! Great work, Team!

    I’m gonna say one thing about the conversation going on further down in the comments about Fluke’s use of “Man up.”
    Alex’s dialogue is once again spot on for teenage boys. Yes it’s insensitive. It will probably lead to interesting conversations that I will kindly avoid.

    But having several teenage nephews myself, this was spot-on and in my opinion Fluke was being darned polite after being nearly dropped to his doom. I bet if we spoke Car, Samantha is giving Mitch an earful!

  • I MISSED IT AGAIN!!! This is what happens when you’re sick and watching “But I’m a Cheerleader.” Good movie, btw, I highly recommend it. Was camping fun tonight?

    • Sapfo

      Hand over tea, get better Kinz

      • Thanks! And it is always so fun. I’ve missed it the last couple of times, though.

    • Feel better soon sweetie! Your boyfriend better be taking care of you while you are sick.

      • Snuggles. Just lots of snuggles. I have really bad inner ear problems, so just lots of vertigo.

        • awwwww….that sucks

          • Yeah. >_< It's one of two things. I need to go to an ENT specialist to see. One is treatable. The other is not and I'll just have to live with it.

        • Adam Black
          • ha! XD!
            Well, that’s what most people think when I say that. Just lots of spinning and nausea and vomiting and cold sweats. Bleh

          • Adam Black

            Bono does that to some people.

            But its much better Live

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            lol! You’re killing me, Adam!

          • Adam Black
          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            I love that song 😀

          • Adam Black
          • Adam Black

          • Adam Black

            < this happens a lot? .

            sounds like a virus

          • Well, it’s one of two things. Either an inner ear infection or Miniere’s disease. I know I spelled that wrong….
            I’m hoping it’s just an infection. Doctor should know.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            I hope you get well soon!

          • *hugs* I hope it’s the infection. A virus on the balance nerve isn’t funny, but at least it’s temporary.

            I had a short but bad case back in ’96 (couldn’t stand or sit up straight for a week), but have had minor problems when having a cold or if I’m doing fast movements since then. Come to think about it, I should probably talk to a doctor again about this since I’ve started to get tinnitus the last two times I’ve had bad colds, and it can last for 1-3 months after cold is over. I might have something else going than just virus side effects when you add all symptoms together (there’s some I haven’t mentioned here) :-/

          • Oh sympathies to all of you. Been there, it’s very scary to lie flat on the floor, stone sober and have it spin. It’s kinda like an earthquake (if you’ve ever been through one?) it’s only a short time, usually, but you think, “what if this never ends?” Very scary.

          • Haven’t tried an earthquake, but you’re spot of with the feeling. The one and still only time I’ve tried fainting and falling like a ragdoll when I tried standing up on my own (hitting your tailbone with a direct impact on a stone corner on the shower hurt like hell)

          • Adam Black

            good luck.
            Hope you can keep breakfast down

          • Adam Black

            reminds me of going to six flaggs with a neighbor.
            ( they need smaller clowns . )

          • Steven K.

            Have they ruled out Meniere’s disease?
            If not, I’d look into that.

          • They haven’t ruled it out. Going to see if this happens again. It seems to happen every two months.

          • Thanks for that link. Had forgotten how much I enjoy that song.

          • Adam Black

            welcome.
            i saw it live. bf* bought VIP tix

            * He went ( was? ) insane and killed himself the next year. im in a dark mood

          • *Makes sense. Take care.

          • Adam Black

            i wish.

            Im just grumpy because of mysterious excruciating pain, and how this will prevent me from having a halfway normal life for the forseeable future.

          • I just meant your mood made sense, but that one makes even more. Sorry. Best wishes for not that.

          • Adam Black

            thx. If I didnt have painkillers id have probably called ambulance. Now I have to figure out a way to hobble to a doctors so they can tell me they dont know. todays been a little better. I want to trade this body in for a new model. Its kinda goodlooking and its got a massive C*ck, but its got the nerve endings of an 80 year old. I’m done with it.

          • Hikaru Takemori

            I do know that situation. For years I’m having this on and off pain in my lower abdomen, sometimes with years between them, and noone has figured out what causes it yet.

          • Adam Black

            in my case, figuring out the cause is likely to be worse.

            That just means things are so bad they can finally nail it down and still not do anything useful.

            i dont have a tablet, so if i cant sit up,
            im basically cut off from the world

          • Hikaru Takemori

            I do hope that won’t be the case and they will be able to do something about it.

          • Steven K.

            Sorry to hear that!! I know how such things can be.

          • Adam Black

            thanks.
            It throws off my perfect calibration of happily ignoring everything I dont like in my life,
            drugs dont solve everything.

        • Adam Black
    • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

      I saw that on Netflix and haven’t been sure whether to watch it, but now you’ve recommended it, I’ll take the plunge and give it a try 🙂

      • I wasn’t sure about it. It came highly recommended by a friend, though. It is very cute.

    • dereule101

      Love that film!

      • stickfigurefairytales

        Me too! <3

  • The Boys:FFFuuuuuuuuuuuu- Oh thank god
    Mitch: Sorry guys
    Fluke: Sweet Jeebus, Mitch.
    Mitch: But why? Why? Why?
    Fluke: OMG, Mitch, you need to stop. He wants it a secret. OK!?
    Mitch: T_T

  • Mary Klemzak

    Super liking Mitch, he’s a cute little curious busybody, always gotta know everything, but Fluke isn’t buying. Big brother mode is ON. I love a young question asker tho, it’s like they can’t help it, they want to be a part of an adult world.

    Also love how Spooky is grabbing his hat, like it’s too important to lose or anything.

    Can someone also tell me how/when/where to “camp”? Seems super fun.

    • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

      I love young question askers too. A curious mind is an intelligent mind. It seems Flyboy might be really quite smart 🙂

      • Mary Klemzak

        Going over the comments, I’m thinking Flyboy is more like wanting to know everything and not trusting the older ones. Some people are very secretive(I have a nephew and brother in law like this), it’s hard to get any info out of them.

        Specially in this case, a traumatic thing has just happened. Kyle’s got his heart broken and is alone, and clothesless. And has had this MAJOR thing happen.

        I just wanna cuddle and wrap the guy in bubble wrap.

        • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

          If you coddle him and wrap him in bubble wrap, what hope does he have of learning the lessons all people have to learn to become a great person? 🙂

    • SofiaT

      Just calculate what time Alex usually uploads the page and show up a couple of hours earlier 🙂

      • Mary Klemzak

        So show up HERE? And spam the crap out of the comments sections?

        • SofiaT

          It’s not spam. It’s socializing with your fellow readers XD

        • Adam Black

          It isnt “spam” if you got your ticket in the mail.

          ( you got one, right? all the cool kids have them… )

          • Sapfo

            Chris, I just love you right now! Thank you for that one. ^_^

  • Sapfo

    I just keep going up over and over again. Alex, tell Adam and Veronica that I think I am in love with their work.
    I would like to take it out on a date to a good restaurant, anybe even dare to kiss it at the end of the evening. ^_^

    • I love their work too. Very happy and lucky writer here. 🙂

      • You are so lucky to work with them. 🙂 That is a very talented trio you have going on there.

  • Jamie Dutton

    Lol, I just realized something. Whoever had the theory that Spooky wore his cap because he was bald, check out panel 2 and all of his lovely locks! 😉

    • Adam Black

      whats strange is that his horns are hidden by his rustling hair .

    • Soooo happy that the theory was proven false…..sooo happy. No Bald Spot Spooky = ^_^

    • You never know. There could be a bald spot forming at the top of his head 😉

      • SHUSH YOU!!!!! NO BALD SPOT FOR SPOOKY!!!

        CHRRRIIIIIISSSSS!!!!! Danish is being mean to Spooky!!!

        • I can have fun with Spooky. He’s mine after all ;-p

          • ENTIRELY WRONG!!!!!!

            http://webcomics.yaoi911.com/archive/ete-ch3pt1-page-4/#comment-1150979999

            It’s not an actual WoG, but it is a clear signal!!!!!

            So, for now Spooky is clearly still in play and I’ll keep him safely over here with me until more is known. Right?

            Because I’m so trustworthy.

            See, even if he goes off with the Commander, he could still change his mind at some point… and be one of the boys. Don’t worry Wolf, I’m entirely willing to give you might full-rights to pursue Mitch. Anyone who I have to explain who the Beatles are to, is way too young for me. He’s all yours. Well, after you fight off the entire list for him and if Papa Alex lets him date at his age.

            Hope springs eternal! Just one little magic user. That’s all I’m talking about. Spppppooooooky!

            Whooooooo Hoooooooo!!!!!!!

          • Sapfo

            But you let me play with him, right? ^_^

            I keep him with Flyboy, they can play when He is a little older 😉

    • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

      You know, I just realized it might rule out my Spooky as Noneco product crackpot theory too.

  • Diana_Christine

    Dammit! I was all excited to camp tonight but I got home from work too late! 🙁

    Oh well! At least I came home to a new comic. 😀

  • I love these last couple of pages. It is just the prime example of talent here: pencils, colors and writing. <3 Love it!

  • I’m loving Mitch’s embarrased look in panel 3. Adam has drawn that to perfection.

    Spooky is just like ‘drop stopped, better catch the hat’ *grabs and corrects clothes* xD I wonder what it will take to really freak him out, because it doesn’t seem like he’s easily affected by much until he needs to be. I hope/think he’s gonna be more serious when facing Kyle.

    Paul is all ‘Damnit, stop asking a mio questions and just help!’
    Despite of using a frase that is quite sexist (just look at the respons and debate it’s getting) then the fact is that it’s a frase used in common language to shortly say ‘act mature now’. It’s a frase that’s commonly used in (teen) language and we know what the meaning is – wether we like the frase or not.

    The meaning is clear, and Paul has reached his limits for Mitch’s reactions. The ‘big brother’ attitude came on (funny how a free fall can do that to you *lol*) and because he’s worried about Kyle himself. He doesn’t need to answer all these questions before he’s seen how Kyle s doing.

    • His embarrassed look is just so cute.

      Am I going to have to compete with you for cliffnotes now?

      • You never know >.> .. maaaybe.

        • NooOooooo! D:! lol
          I give you permission to do them when I’m not around 🙂

          • Oh, now you’ve reminded me that it’s been a while since I’ve done one of my ‘cliffnotes’ comments on Teahouse.
            I had this whole ‘boxing match presentation’ theme going. You might have gotten my mind running with possibilities here now. What have you done?! >.<

          • I AM THE BRINGER OF IDEAS, THE SEWER OF SEEDS!!

            Well.
            Not that last part. I don’t quite have the right bits for that last part.

          • *something’s brewing* It could turn out horribly wrong, or just so wrong it becomes right xD

            (yup that was an intentional pun, if you get what pun I’m hinting at here)

          • PuUUUUUUNS!!!

    • timemonkey

      Phrase.

      • Adam Black

        phunny

        • timemonkey

          Huh?

          • Klaus

            Phun phor the whole phamily.

          • This phelt pharily phorced and phinally just phrustrating.

          • Adam Black

            Phee, Phi, pho phum?

      • Baah *edits* .. the English language and its use of ‘ph’. It sounds more logical in my language where it’s spelled ‘frase 😛

        • timemonkey

          Yeah, it can get confusing. Took me a few minutes to remember it was wrong.

        • SofiaT

          For some reason, all Greek words that have “Φ” in them, when transliterated into English, have it turn into a “ph”. I’m sure there’s a very scientific explanation for it but I still choose to spell my name in English with an “f”. I think it looks better XD

          • stickfigurefairytales

            It is very pretty.

          • SofiaT

            why, thank you 🙂

          • Adam Black

            My top two guesses are either its a latin thing,

            or ‘PH’ replaced a lost English letter, ( or coded for a Norse letter ) the way, ‘th’ replaced Old English “Thorn”

          • SofiaT

            I lost you. “Th” replaced “thorn”?

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Thorn is the name for the rune/letter that represents a paired ‘th’ letter 🙂

          • SofiaT

            Gotcha.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            You’re welcome 🙂

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Every rose has its th.

          • SofiaT

            And every night has its d? 😛

          • Klaus

            Originally phi, theta and khi where pronounced like English (or Danish) p, t and k. These sounds are not found in Latin. Latin p, t and k/c represent unvoiced, unaspirated stops, sounds not used in English. So how to represent a sound sort of like a p, but with a puff of breath at the end? The old Romans settled on ph. Later the Greek pronounciation changed to f, thorn and a sound not used in English.

          • SofiaT

            “Χι” (khi) sounds exactly like “h” sounds in words like “horse” -so that sound does exist now. Did it not exist before?

            In Greek we have the sound for “s” but not “sh”. Which makes it very hard for me to remember to pronounce words properly when the “sh” is in the middle of the word (it’s harder then than when it’s in the beginning). Otherwise my natural inclination is to say “sunsine” instead of “sunshine”.

            And I had to practice for a year before I could say “sushi” properly. I had to break it down to “su-shi”.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            I still have a great deal of difficulty rolling my “r”s correctly if I’m attempting Spanish.

          • Steven K.

            Oh – that’s a skill that just EVERYONE must learn! 😉

          • Klaus

            So khi has gone all the way to h now. I did not know that. But in a bygone age, it was like Scottish “loch” or German “ach”.

          • SofiaT

            In Greek you mean? Because it was never “ch”, that is too much of a throaty sound and we don’t normally make those. That’s more Northern-European.

          • Klaus

            Yes, in Greek. That is what I have always heard, anyway. Another thing is that Greek no longer has h.

          • SofiaT

            There is no longer the “khi” sound in the Greek language??? Well, someone has forgotten to tell that to the Greeks then!

            I think what you’re referring to is not an actual sound but what is known as a “hidden accent” or “breathing” often found in the beginning of ancient Greek words, which was denoted by a symbol like a curvy (‘) before the first letter and in English is transliterated with “h” -although as I said, it was never pronounced in ancient Greek anyway. More of a guideline about whether the letter following was “heavy” or “light”, “long” or “short”. Greek is a very musical language and all those symbols helped those who read it understand its spoken rhythm. But that accent is no longer in use.

            The name Ηρακλής for example, if transliterated as pronounced in the original, it would be “Eracles” (“H” in Greek is not the same as the English “h”, it’s one of the 5 “e’s”= (h)eta, iota, ypsilon, omikron-iota and epsilon-iota). But because in the ancient Greek form of the word there was that tiny symbol (accent/breathing) on the front of the name, in English it’s transliterated with “h” -Heracles. But it was never pronounced “Heracles” in the original to begin with.

            I think people confuse the Greek “H” and the English “h”.

          • Klaus
          • SofiaT

            I’m not a linguist to know what most of these things mean so I can’t say if the article is right or wrong. Although I suspect that when it says that “h” was a “voiceless glottal transition” it means what I described above. The reason there are 5 different “e”s in the Greek language isn’t because we just like to add random letters in our alphabet but because each of these e’s has a slightly different way of being pronounced (I assume something like that is going on with all the different “a’s” in the Nordic languages?).

            Eta for example, is heavier than others. That still doesn’t make it an “h”.

          • Klaus

            The reason Greek has 5 different i’s is that pronounciation changes. Sounds that used to be very different are now pronounced the same. Upsilon started out as an u (oo to the English), changed to an y (sound not used in English), and eventually became i. While it was y, it got imported into Latin to use for the y-sound in Greek loanwords. In e.g. Danish the letter y is still pronounced y. Greek, however, no longer has the y-sound, and upsilon is now pronounced i.

          • SofiaT

            Pronunciation changes not only in time but space too. There are parts of rural Greece now where I can’t understand what people are saying because their pronunciation is so different from my own, especially the pronunciation of vowels. So I don’t disagree there.

            But to claim that a sound exists or doesn’t exist, is different. (For example I would argue that in those same rural areas the “y” sound is still very much in use).

            What started this discussion was my observation that we don’t have the “sh” sound and your subsequent observation that the “h” sound no longer exists in Greek. To which I replied that it very much does exist (and it did exist in antiquity), it’s the letter “X” (khi) -and that we shouldn’t confuse the greek “H” (which is a vowel) to the English “h”. Whether the English “h” comes from an obscure archaic Greek dialect where “H” (e) was so heavy it was pronounced “He”, is irrelevant.

          • Klaus

            In my language, we use sj for the sound English writes sh. In Danish j is used for the j-sound. That is the name Jes is pronounced like English yes. Sj sounds enough like s followed by j that you do not need to teach schoolchildren that this combination should be pronounced any different from what you would expect.

          • SofiaT

            Danish? Oops, I thought you were Swedish!

            Is that why I’ve often seen @smsif:disqus write “yep” as “jupp”?

          • Klaus

            I will leave it it Sapho to answer that. But Danish it is not. Danish spelling does not permit a double consonent at the end of a word.

          • Steven K.

            I like how the Cyrillic alphabet has a letter for the (in English) “sh” sound and the “ch” sound, as well as one for a combined “shch” (as well as the letter “zhe” (like a softened z or like sh but with a z – a sound that English doesn’t have a letter for). As for the “shch”, it is found in words such as Borshch – the beet soup – so that this food item should not be transliterated as simply “Borsh”, nor certainly not “Borsht”, as I have sometimes seen.

          • Klaus

            Borsht would seem to me to be reasonable approximation. In my language it is spelled borsjtj, but that final j-sound is not easy to produce. It is pronounced in Krusjtjov, though. But then English has words like church, with this sound at the end. When pronounced by a Dane, the final ch is often pronounced ts. Tj is much easier to pronounce at the start of a syllable.

          • Steven K.

            That’s a nice and interesting bit of information!

          • Steven K.

            I’ve always found it interesting that, even though the Russian (Cyrillic) alphabet is based on that of the Greeks rather than the Romans, they do not have the equivalent of theta, for the “th” sound – so they have Feodor rather than Theodore, etc.

          • SofiaT

            From what I know, Cyrillos and Methodios used Greek letters as the base to create the Slavic alphabet but they respected the Slavs’ language structure and sounds. Slavic languages (Russian, Bulgarian etc) sound nothing like Greek, so I don’t think it’s so weird that letter is missing.

          • Steven K.

            Hmmmm…so maybe there was not a native “th” (theta) sound to begin with in their languages? (So no need for that letter.) It still seems a little odd that the “equivalency” seems to have developed between th and f/ph, rather than simply th –> t. So that, in the example I mentioned, we have Feodor rather than Teodor. Now that’s sort of an interesting thing to ponder – is the “th” sound closer in nature to “f/ph” (which would also be fricative), or to, simply, “t”, but which is non-fricative.

          • Hikaru Takemori

            This would all be easier, if people had started writing in IPA characters millenia ago. Also less fun to talk about.

        • stickfigurefairytales

          I will totally give you that. English is such an insane language…mostly because it’s cobbled together out of so many different ones. I like the linguistics joke: “English is the language that sneaks up behind other languages in a dark alley, knocks them over the head, and rifles through their pockets for spare vocabulary.”

          • That’s actually kinda awesome. 🙂

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            A lot of that is because the Normans decreed it must be so when they took over the country and standardized spelling as a way to subjugate the locals.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Nifty! I mean, not for the locals being subjugated. Just to know.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            You’re welcome:)

          • SofiaT

            That’s an interesting piece of info! I always thought it’s because English is a Germanic language with Latin and Greek vocabulary. The grammar doesn’t fit the words.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            I think that may still be part of it, but I could be wrong.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Before the Normans standardized spelling and grammar their way, spelling and grammar was handled in the Germanic way. So queen was kween, for example. The Normans, incidentally, were Franks who had maintained some of their original Norse ancestry and culture (Norseman, became Norman). However, their contact with the Latin and Greek languages changed their language to include grammar and spelling from them.

          • SofiaT

            I knew about the origin of Normans but I never thought about their language. Thanks for letting me know! Linguistics is so damn interesting. As the debate about the use of “man up” below shows, you can tell a lot about a people by the language they use.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            I only know all this stuff about Normans and English because I ran a historical D&D campaign set in the late 11th century, and researched all this ahead of time. It was very enjoyable research, and gave me a lot of insight into the English language that I hadn’t really given any real thought to before.

            Definitely, language reveals a lot about a people, much more than they might like to think. 🙂

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Yay research!

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            I’m a research fiend. Currently, I’m throwing myself at 1920s to 1940s American culture, since I’m playing a Dresden Files RPG game set in 1940. Before that, I was reading up on feline coat color genetics as a follow up to equine color genetics. Dog color genetics is next on my list of things to read up on 🙂

          • stickfigurefairytales

            So cool! I love learning about things.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            You sound like you’re quite the researcher yourself. What’s your main area of research (paid or otherwise)?

          • stickfigurefairytales

            I recently finished my master’s in children’s literature, and I love researching folk and fairy tale variants. I also studied in Ireland for a year some time ago and I became really interested in the linguistic aspects of Indo-European languages. I’ve always been a huge reader and I love words. I’m pretty much fascinated by anything and everything, though. 🙂

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Folk and fairy tales huh? As it turns out, I’ve been delving into that to write an adventure for the Neverwinter Nights game. Right now, it’s a blend of Old Shuck with Red Riding Hood, The Tinderbox, Rumplestiltskin, and The Frog Prince, but I’m still building the story, so it’s probably going to include a few more things as I go on.

            I’m a big reader and language geek too, I think it’s a family thing since my great uncle was the consummate polyglot, and most of my family are good at picking up languages. The only one in my whole direct family who doesn’t really read is my sister, it just never appealed to her like it does to the rest of us. I wonder if she’s a changeling sometimes, she’s so different to the rest of us!

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Awesome! I hadn’t head of Old Shuck before, actually (I just shuffled over to Wikipedia to check it out). I’d love to hear more about the story as you work on it!

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Old Shuck’s a native one for me, I’m from Cambridge originally. Tales of big black dogs and big black cats in my birth area have been continuous for centuries.

            Oh, of course, I’d love to share it with you as I get it closer to the final draft. It’s been quite fun weaving the old tales together 🙂

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Are you drawing mainly from the Grimm versions of Little Red Riding Hood and Rumpelstiltskin?

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Absolutely, I’m all about Grimm! I always preferred the darker, closer to the original cautionary tales versions of fairy tales.

          • SofiaT

            Um, this is probably a stupid question but, is the word “grim” coming from the Grimm brothers?

          • No, is the short answer. Grim does come from Grimm, but the word existed before the brothers Grimm were born.
            Btw. ‘Grim’ is the Danish word for ‘ugly’, or used in a certain phrase it means having an uncomfortable/bad experience

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            I don’t believe so. Sorry I took so long to get back to you, kitchen was stealing my time 😉

          • stickfigurefairytales

            They can be good, although I really love exploring different regional variants of stories. Sometimes they’ll have the greatest twists, like the Basque version of Bluebeard/Fitcher’s Bird where the youngest sister kills the bad guy.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            I’ll have to look that up 🙂

            I’m really very fond of many of the African and Native American folk tales as well.

            What’s been especially interesting to me is reading about the parallels from one culture to another regarding foxes. Todd fox, reynard, kitsune, gumiho, huli jing, there’s always a parallel in the trickster element, which interestingly enough is also seen in many Native American tales – though coyote often takes this role as well in Native American tales. It’s very telling about our observations as a species with regards to the fox 🙂

          • stickfigurefairytales

            I know! (The version of the tale I mentioned might be hard to find – I only came across it when I was researching for a conference paper on that tale type. I could see if I can find the name of it for you, if you want.)

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Oh no, don’t worry about it, my google-fu is strong, and the search is half the fun 😉

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Okay, but I’ll hold in it reserve just in case, like a secret cheat code of knowledge.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Found it! Figures it’s at http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0311.html#cobbler. Go figure, I move to Pittsburgh, and suddenly I’m noticing all my research ends up going through pitt.edu completely by chance!

          • stickfigurefairytales

            That was super fast! You win!!!

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            And the story is the prize. I like that game!

          • stickfigurefairytales

            It is an excellent game, especially because winning the prize doesn’t actually deplete it. Like love!

            But it’s a story.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Stories are love, of the very best kind – the kind that teaches, entertains, and keeps on giving. 🙂

            Yes… I’m a writer… how did you guess? 😛

          • dereule101

            Welcome to the ‘Burgh! There are a couple of us floating around here…

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            lol, really? I thought I was the only Yinzer (not by birth, but whatever) around here.

          • dereule101

            I’m not one by birth either, but Davefragments is also in the area.

          • I went to College in PA. I loved it up there.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Cool! 😀

          • Elizabethtown College was a nice place and it wasn’t far from Hershey. There was even an MM Mars factory in town.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Cool, I haven’t been there before. I’ve been to three corners (southwest, northwest and southeast) of the state, not done much exploring in the middle of the state – just a bit in Cambria and around Gettysburg.

            Honestly, I can’t stand Hershey’s chocolate. It’s so cheap, and at the same time powdery and like eating a brick of hard plastic. Literally anything is better than Hershey’s!

          • But it is a great thing to leave the dorm and have that nice chocolate smell in the air while you walk across campus. ^_^

          • Steven K.

            I’ve had cheap chocolate worse than Hershey’s. But their classic chocolate does have a distinctive somewhat strange flavor as compared to most other chocolates. But I do understand what you mean about having the “powdery” consistency. I’ve sometimes used the term “gritty”, but that’s a little too strong. It does break down to a rather fine particulate texture, rather than being totally and nicely “smooth-melting”.

          • Klaus

            I have bought an etymological dictionary for pleasure reading. I find it so fascinating. The Danish word “kusk” (Danish for the driver of a horse drawn waggon) and the english “coach” both some from the name of the Hungarian city Kocs, once famous for making coaches. The Danish words “apotek” (farmacy), “butik” (retail shop) and “bodega” (tavern) are the same Greek word, imported directly, though French and through Spanish respectrively. So fascinating.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Hooray for etymology!

          • SofiaT

            Apotheke XD

          • Well the English language has over 6000 words that’s directly adopted from the Greek language. I think that today, so many (European originated) languages have adopted so many words from another language that it sometimes can be hard to call a language original anymore. Most of it is based from the same few languages such as Greek and Latin anyway -which in time turned into a language of each their own. It’s a part of what makes linguistic studies and etymology so interesting.

          • SofiaT

            I think most of it is Latin (after all Britain was conquered by the Romans) but there’s definitely lots of Greek in there too, mostly because a lot of Latin words are just transliterated Greek.

            I told a former flatmate that the word “phone” is Greek (she said she wanted me to teach her Greek words and I explained to her that she knew plenty already) and her reply was “don’t be stupid, there were no phones in ancient Greece”. *facepalm*

            Good thing I didn’t tell her that “aeroplane” is Greek too. 😛

          • *LOL* I would not have been able to keep a straight face.

          • Hikaru Takemori

            Actualy the Romans did not leave much Latin behind as they left Britain. It took the catholic church to make Latin popular enought to leave a big impact in the english language.

          • SofiaT

            I’ll take your word for it, I don’t know much about the evolution of the English language. That’s just an assumption I made because it seemed logical.

          • Hikaru Takemori

            I thought so, too, untill I started studying English. I belive it is a commen assumption.

          • Steven K.

            Let’s not forget the other scholars and scientists who, after the example of the Church, adopted the classical languages as their standards of communication so that there could be a common scholarly language that could be widely understood by those in many countries.

          • Adam Black

            Im not sure, but I bet latin was revived after 1066 By the Norman-french.
            They continued to speak French for hundreds of years, and their courtly and legal language was French, but latin derived.

          • Hikaru Takemori

            What I remember from my linguistics classes in uni tells me a different storry. Greek and Latin as well as Hebrew did have impact on the languages they shared population with but not as much as it feels like because it mainly impacted on clerics or nobels and those where the people writing so these languages are the once we encounter most in that time. It took much time for those languages to trickle down to the common folks.
            Also don’t forget the influence of the vikings and their language.

          • I know. I said ‘such as Greek and Latin’ I didn’t say only them 🙂 There’s places with their own language based on somehting different, example the Norse spoken by the vikings. I find it intersting that Iceland (I believe it is) still doesn’t ‘adopt’ foreign words at all but make a new with their own words to describe what it is.

          • Hikaru Takemori

            Really? Isn’t that sort of linguistic discrimination then? Besides that its awsome that they make up their own words that is.

          • Steven K.

            Apothecary XP

          • I love etymology! It’s been too long since I’ve curled up with my etymological dictionary and some Earl Gray.

          • Similar to how in English, guarantee and warranty are the same French word imported from two different French dialects.

            TRiG.

          • Yay D&D!!! …..I haven’t played in sooo long *goes in a corner and cries*

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Awww! I actually haven’t played D&D in a while either. I fell out of love with the system when I started playing with the Fate system, and haven’t really looked back since. Fate just suits my way of gaming a lot better. Fewer statistics, more roleplaying 🙂

          • Which version? I am a 3.5 girl myself. I have played Star Wars, a little Star Trek TOS, a Pathfinder/BESM crossover, and a little World of Darkness

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Mostly AD&D and 3.5. I also play WEG Star Wars (d6 system), but not Star Wars D20. I’ve never played Star Trek because as much as I love watching it, I just wouldn’t want to play in that universe. I’ve never done Pathfinder either, but I did do some WoD way back, almost 15 years ago.

          • Hikaru Takemori

            Don’t forget the dutch influence on the spelling.

        • Edit: Omg, I love how my wrong spelling of ‘phrase’, and getting it corrected, lead to this HUGE convo about linguistics and etymology below here 😀

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            IKR. This Disqus group is awesome!

          • Sapfo

            Its almost to much fun watching a comment thread. XD

          • I keep wanted to scroll back and forth on this thread but it says “26 new comments above” right now. Where to go?

          • Sapfo

            I just klick up and up until it stoppes, then I go down. But I might have to stop soon. 🙁

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Yeah, it’s almost 2:30am for me…

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            lol, this is where I say I live in GMT+5, but only got up at 11pm. It’s still ‘early-mid morning’ for me. I love being a 25 hour day martian!

          • stickfigurefairytales

            I keep rushing up and down and up and down all the time.

          • I lov that I get different spellings all the time from you, Sapfo, Klaus and many others. Even our UK and sometimes Australian and NZ commenters will give me something simple like colour. Sometimes, I wonder what’s just language particulars and what might be a typo?

            Considering I’m limited to English (although I’m painfully slowly trying to learn Spanish), I’m impressed with so many who speak and write in multiple languages.

          • Ditto!

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            lol, I have trouble with the or and our endings, since I’m English by birth and lived there until I was 19, then moved to the US. I keep flip-flopping back and forth on it. This would be a lot easier if I was writing in French… well, unless I’d moved to Quebec, then it would be Quebecois dialect French vs French French. Language! Always complicated!

          • Well I am American born and bred and sometimes prefer to use the our over the or, but my teachers and professors kept marking the our as wrong. It isn’t wrong, just an alternate spelling.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            lol, I was part of the at the time very very American-centric online community before I started high school, and my spelling kept getting marked down by my teachers because I kept using the American preferred spellings by accident.

          • SofiaT

            I tend to use the UK spelling for everything (colour, favourite, humour) but sometimes, depending on the device I’m writing on, it changes to US spelling on its own.

            I also write “mom” instead of the UK/Aussie “mum” just because. 😛

          • Steven K.

            Even I sometimes spell color as colour. It is an authentic English spelling of the word, and like H.P. Lovecraft, I tend to be rather a bit of an Anglophile.

          • Adam Black

            Thats like spittin on
            Noah Websters grave.

            HP Lovecraft you say?
            So you want to dig him up as well?

    • So agree. I love the discussion that this group has cycled through from it. It really shows you what a great group it is.

  • Jeabro21

    OMG im love with the moon!!!
    Awesome coloring effects

    • SofiaT

      Vero is The Shit. 😀

      • She totally is!

      • I so agree. Or perhaps she’s Ratri, Hindu Godess of the Night’s, local avatar. You know, just as an alternative, for those nights when she doesn’t feel like being ‘the shit’. 😀

  • *lol* I’m so busy scrolling up and down, reading all the awesome comments in various debates that I’ve hardly written a comment/reply of my own to any of it.
    I’m just scrolling, reading and upvoting en masse 😉

  • Sapfo

    Now back to the ever going on discussion:
    “The Superstrong vs, The Telekinesis!
    How will win?”

    I´m starting to belive more in that Flyboy is superstrong. If he where using telekineses to make the car fly, could he not do that by being inside the car. No he have to hold it up and to make it even, and that is why he is outside the car holding it up somewhere in the middle.

    But I might be wrong. Flyboy might not have his fly-powers all that under control and need to hold it in place. Maybe with practice and more control he will be able to sit in the car in the furtur and make it fly.

    • That would make an awesome date. ^_^

      • stickfigurefairytales

        If we’re talking about a fight between people with the respective powers, I think it would depend a lot on how fast each individual was.

    • Madock345

      I tend to lean towards telekinesis, because the way he’s holding the car just doesn’t make any sense, if he’s physically lifting it.

      • SofiaT

        I think if he was lifting it using super-strength then he’d be underneath it, mm?

        Of course, he can both have super-strength and tactile telekinesis, one doesn’t exclude the other. I can’t wait to find out what other powers they all have!

      • Agree with you both. He’s just lightly touching those seats like Klaus says. I think he can lend his power to things he touches somehow.

    • Klaus

      He does not seem to be holding on to the car. He is just pushing against the back of the seats. Which seems rather risky to me.

  • stickfigurefairytales

    THANK GOD THE HAT IS ALL RIGHT

  • stickfigurefairytales

    Paul is honoring his promise to keep Kyle’s secrets safe! I really love this.

    • SofiaT

      Good friend being good 😀

  • Mickey B

    I actually found your comics through ads on the Shortpacked site. I wanted to meet you both this last weekend but I had to work.

  • Caffienated

    Flying Penguin…don’t drop the car again. Spooky might not be able to retrieve his hat a second time.

  • Sapfo

    @Adam Black and @Admiral Jane and everyone else.

    http://satwcomic.com/

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Awesome! New one!!

    • YAY!!

      • Sapfo

        This is the reason why Scandic is such a good place to be in. We only fight and drink when we are not home 😉

        (modified truth)

        • HA!

        • And your men are usually tall, yes? I like tall men.

          • Sapfo

            the females too. (at least some of us)
            Me 1,73, my brothers about 1,84-186 I think.

          • I’ve always wished I were 4-6 inches taller. So what exactly is that in translation? I’m not good with the metric system. 😛

          • Sapfo

            I have to ask for help on that one. I am not so good at the inches system.
            but taller than average

          • Yeah, sorry. Got lost in the comments. 🙂

            Sharon is right that would put you at about 5 foot 8 inches. That’s were I wish I was. Though I would be happy for 5ft 6in

          • Sapfo

            Oh, that means you are a chibi ^_~

          • Well, I’m at least over 5 ft. I’m just about 5ft 2in.

          • Sapfo

            At another camping some of us come to the conclussion that was chibi high. 😉
            I want to be a chibi to. ;_;

          • It’s not fun trying to reach to top shelf in grocery stores. There are dangerous climbing missions involved sometimes when a tall person isn’t about to be nice and helpful. And counters are usually too high to make baking difficult.

          • Sapfo

            And I find the counters to low. XD

          • You might like them here. They keep putting cabinets too high too.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            2.54 centimers to an inch, so 10 to 15cm taller 🙂

          • Sapfo

            That would mean about 6,8 for me, that can not be correct.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            5ft 8 inches, by my math?

          • Sapfo

            I think so to.
            And I think my brothers are about 6ft 1 inches -6,2 then.

          • Mmm, tall men. 😀

          • Saying how tall I am in cm might make me seem taller. 🙂

          • Sapfo
          • I guess that puts me around 157 cm

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Probably. I only work in metric for tiny measurements most of the time. For large measurements, I use feet and inches. I grew up at a time where the UK was transitioning from Imperial to metric for everything, so my units of measurement are all over the place! I remember finding lots of thrown away old pre-decimal currency as a kid too, even though it was 14 years after decimal day before I was born!

          • There was a time you guys weren’t metric?

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Oh yeah, the conversion to metric is recent, and still somewhat ongoing. It started in 1965 on a voluntary basis, industry by industry, with the board responsible for making metrication happen closing in 1980, but in education, it was required to teach conversion between imperial and metric, and it wasn’t until 1988, when I was attending my first formal schooling, that the National Curriculum mandated metric be taught to children. It still teaches conversion between metric and Imperial measurements as standard. Milk was still sold in pints for example, until 1999. Beer and cider are still required to be sold in Imperial measurements, it is illegal to sell them in metric measurements.

          • Well sure, I can’t imagine someone not ordering a pint. I mean what would happen to the saying: mind your p’s and q’s?

            But that’s interesting. Something I did not know. I know they tried in this country, but it failed. We like our feet and inches and pounds and ounces too much. 😀

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            There was a lot of resistance to metrication in the UK as well, especially among older folks, but as younger generations became more continental in outlook, and the educational system changed to the metric system, opinion started to shift more and more in favor. I will say one thing though, calculating the weight of water based on the volume is much simpler to remember the numbers for in metric. 1 liter of water weighs 1 kilogram. Nice, simple, easy to remember. Additionally, the fact metric is base ten, and thus matches the average number of fingers a human has, makes it easier to keep track of how close you are to the next measurement unit up. 🙂

          • Sounds good, but considering how old some of congress is and other things we have trouble getting past them? 😐

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Yeah, everything that’s ‘new and updated’ seems to be a struggle to get through Congress, and I think you may be onto something with the issue of age. Most of the American government being significantly older than the governments of other countries, it may be an issue of familiarity with the old and lack of familiarity with the new. I’m not saying older means stupid, but it very often comes with a preference for keeping things the way they were when that person was a kid, because it doesn’t require relearning something. Generally speaking, the older a person is, the less flexible their mind is – I think of it being rather like a hard drive that needed to be defragged years ago, but can’t be defragged because there isn’t enough free space on the drive to do it.

          • That’s actually a very good analogy! It really needs a good scrubbing and yet they’ve made it impossible to do it. Bah!

          • Hikaru Takemori

            This reminds me of a definition of ‘old’ I once read: You start being old, when you stop being able to adapt to the changes around you.

          • Klaus

            These things take time. Danmark went metric in 1907. In my childhood, that was in the 60’s and early 70’s, people would still buy a kilo of flour, two kilos of sugar, a pound of coffee and half a pound of butter. A pound meant 500g, though, not the actual Danish pound (which was 496g). I don’t think that is done anymore, though meat prices are still often advertised per ½kg.

          • Steven K.

            I’ve always wished I were 4-6 inches lo……oh – never mind. (Sorry – Adam inspired me to do that.)

          • Adam Black

            Couldnt I , have inspired you to do something more creditable, like run a marathon, or invent an automatic sweet fry machine.

            what if they put on my grave: he inpired us to say awkward and innapropraite things in public?

            How will I not-live with that?
            Besides it just gets in the way

          • SofiaT

            My mom is 1,70cm (nearly 5’7) and she’s considered tall for a Greek woman. I’m 1,66cm (a bit over 5’5) and I’m considered above average too.

            We’re a nation of shorties. 😛

    • Adam Black

      Awesome.

      It was discovered this year that English isnt a Germanic language.
      Its Scandinavian. The Grammar isnt German; its closer to Norse.

      They think its a pidgin created from Brittaino-Romans and Anglo-Saxons speaking Norse to French speaking Normans.

      The irony is that The English are more Viking ( Norse ) than the Scottish.

      • Sapfo

        Please talk nerd with me!
        I just love all the things you just wrote. Please if you have a link to the source material. Send it to me.

      • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

        But Germanic language itself comes from the Scandinavian by way of the Norse, doesn’t it?

        • stickfigurefairytales

          According to my linguistics chart, if we’re talking language families, the Scandinavian languages are classified as Germanic.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            I thought so, but I wasn’t sure. Thanks for confirming that for me 🙂

          • stickfigurefairytales

            No problem! 🙂

        • Adam Black

          That I am not sure.

          The Grammar structure is different. .

          England was conquered by Vikings twice.
          ( Normans are Vikings , right?)

          English formed when one set had to talk to the other.

          • Sapfo

            They were descended from Viking conquerors

          • Adam Black

            they got a little Viking in them

          • Sapfo

            I been looking at to much Oglaf. But yes, they have some barbarians in them 😉

            http://oglaf.com/toll/

          • Adam Black
          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Yes, Normans are basically Vikings. English were conquered by Vikings twice, Angles a few times, Jutes a few times, and of course we can’t forget Rome. From Irish invasions, there may also have been some influx of Arabic culture through Moorish.

          • Adam Black

            Irish invasions?
            If you mean Black Irish, they were the natives.

        • Adam Black

          north versus west branches

        • Adam Black

          the issue is whether its Germanic west like Frisian or Germanic North like Scandinavian.

          This Hypothesis is that Old English ( Anglo Saxon ) died out and was replaced by commoners speaking Norse-English from the Danelaw ( then mixed with Norman French ) which became Middle English.

          Either way , modern English was a lot of Norwegian words in it. More than Old English.

      • Seriously who figured this out? Wow.

        • Adam Black

          its still controverstial.
          maybe unprovable

        • Adam Black

          Probably Norseman

      • Weren’t the original Scots: Picts.

        • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

          They were indeed. A lot of my bloodlines on my father’s side go back to all that stuff, with a bit going through the Irish and possibly from there to Moorish. My mother’s side is mixed Euro-mutt.

          • Yay! I’ve picked up bits and pieces because I have a small fascination with Scotland and I’m glad that bit is true. I’m basically a Euro-mutt as well (English, Irish, Scots, Welsh, German) with a bit of Eastern European Jew thrown in–Maternal G Grandparents escaping the Tzar.

          • Wow you’re a mix-breed, just like me. My dude can’t sell me off, because I don’t have any papers so I’m not really worth much on the open market. It’s one time when it’s actually been helpful for me to be a mutt. 😀

          • rgleon9986

            *lol* I’m mostly German (my grandfather is basically pure German), Czech (my grandmother comes from a small Czech community in Texas), and English (my mom is a bit of a mutt, but mostly English, we don’t know what the rest is, really).

          • Oh yeah. I only know as much as I do because we’ve been trying to find Grandpa’s grandfather who just upped and disappeared after the civil war. And on my dad’s side someone else took it upon themselves to track that side down. So yeah, a big ol’ mutt!

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            What part of Scotland? I’m from down on the border with England, in the Dumfries area. The Romans were so scared of my ancestry they built walls to keep us out, and we never really stopped being trouble.

          • I really don’t know. I just know there are bits and pieces in the genealogy. Most of my blood-ties have been in the US for so long a lot of it got lost. I wish I knew! I do know some of the English came from around I believe Towchester.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Are you sure it’s Towchester and not Towcester?

          • Nope you’re right. It’s Towcester. I’m getting bleary eyed here. I do know it’s pronounced Toaster. 🙂

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Yeah, good ol toaster. I still love listening to Americans trying to say Worcestershire!

          • Yeah, no, that’s not one I say very well and I know it. 😐 I visited Scotland for a week well over a decade ago. It was all very last minute planning and certainly wasn’t long enough. One day after I win the lottery I’ll go back and really explore.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Wuss-ter-sher 😉

            Strangely, despite being Scottish by heritage, and living in the British Isles, I’ve never been to Scotland. It’s a long drive from Cambridge to where my clan is from.

          • Oh hey, cool! But then again the Thames in Connecticut is actually pronounced like it’s spelled. So saying Worcestershire right might throw people. HA!

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Oooh, pet peeve! Around here, there’s a Versailles that’s pronounced Ver-sails, not Ver-sigh, and it bugs me every time I hear it.

          • Well, you know we had to make some of it our own. 😀 I did learn to say Edinburgh right though.

            Of course I have an aunt who pronounces guacamole as it’s spelled, forgetting to pronounce the E at the end. 😐

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Mmmm! Guacamole!

          • Dammit, now I want guacamole. I wonder if the avocados are still on sale? 😀

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Have you watched Futurama? Because that instantly made me think of Zapp Brannigan pronouncing it “gwackamohl.”

          • I’ve watched some of it. And yeah, it’s just like that with my aunt. HA! 🙂

          • dereule101

            We do have a few of those shibboleths around here – Versailles, Wilkes-Barre, etc- I think they wanted to know when Southerners were about. 😉

          • Hikaru Takemori

            If you want to do a little research you can try https://familysearch.org/. With some luck you might find something there.

          • A lot of extensive research has been done, it’s just once they leave this country the records seem to disappear and funds aren’t in a place that we can pay to have someone look over there. We know the what, we just don’t know the where so much considering most of the various lines have been here since the 16/1700’s

          • Hikaru Takemori

            I’d say it is still worth the look(if they haven’t done it yet). At worst you loose some time (acessing the database is free)

        • SofiaT

          Which reminds me, a new album of Asterix is finally out, “Asterix and The Picts” 😀

        • Adam Black

          some were at some point.

      • rgleon9986

        Interesting! I’d love to read up on that? Can you post some links or something? Or maybe not, I should be focusing on Puccini, not linguistics.

        • Adam Black

          grr.
          i googled it.
          browser crashed,
          disqus wont reload again.
          found the article , but ( someone put malware on it )

        • Adam Black

          see above ( or below ) i posted

      • Klaus

        But the Nordic languages are a branch of the Germanic languages.

        • Adam Black

          north versus west

    • Thank yew!

      • Sapfo

        And thank you, Mr. Dangerfield!
        Would you care for a spot of tea?

        • Oh please!

          • Sapfo

            This is more civilized.

            Now what do we think of the cuteness of theis boys?
            Super cute or just adorable? Or do we like hotness better?

          • E: All of the above.

          • Sapfo

            A excellent choice, as always.

          • Jamie Dutton

            Yes

          • Sapfo

            Jamie, you are a person of few words. But I guess no more is needed on this topic. I agree with you. Yes!

  • Steven K.

    Awww – poor Mitch. I’d never take that tone with him. He’s just concerned and worried as well as being curious. Who can blame him? I don’t care much for the new bitchy Paul.

    • stickfigurefairytales

      I think Paul is mostly a little bit snappish because he’s really worried about Kyle and because he did just plunge a few hundred feet in a convertible.

      • Steven K.

        Well, I grant him the first “Christ, Mitch!”

      • Adam Black

        Im lucky I am not in the car.

        MItch would probably drop it again after I opened my mouth.

        • Which vile epithets would you be most inclined to use, and how far do you think you can go and still reasonably expect Mitch to catch you a second time?

          Oh and will your dragon snag you out in time or will you get lucky.

          That’s what we need to know.

          • Adam Black

            if you had a tape recorder in here last hour you would know. cants stay long… appointment with pain soon

          • Adam Black

            you want to know if I ‘ride the snake to safety’?

            a slice of life thru the married queer eye, huh?

            no nets, no magic snakes here…

    • Adam Black

      really?
      I am seeing a commanding presence.

      Even Spooky looks impressed.

    • Klaus

      “Yikes!” indeed.

    • Jamie Dutton

      Bitchy? That was NOT bitchy. If he had said “What the Hell are you doing, Mitch? Get your head out of your a$$ and get us to Kyle before your butterfingers kill us all!” Then it would be bitchy.
      Paul was actually being polite.

      • stickfigurefairytales

        I wouldn’t go as far as polite, but I certainly wouldn’t consider Paul’s reaction bitchy.

      • Klaus

        “Man-up.” He is using Mitch’ insecurity about being the youngest of the team against him. Not what I would call polite.

        • rgleon9986

          You know, I didn’t think of it that way, but that was a very effective use of his self-awareness that he’s the youngest member of the group. I simultaneously respect Fluke more and less for that.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            I guess it depends on whether Fluke was deliberately targeting that point of vulnerability. I kind of doubt that he was that calculating about it, but I might be biased because I love Fluke and don’t want to think badly of him.

          • I agree with you on this one. Alex has Mitch really pestering a la little brother. Paul is only slightly older and he is pretty patient with him considering Mitch is yammering on instead of paying attention to flying the car. AND Paul is scared about Kyle, trying to do what Kyle wants in not saying too much, bringing in Spooky for emergencies… Paul is being pulled in lots of different directions so he’s a little tense. He likes Mitch a lot he just needs him to do what any little brother has to do sometimes… shut up and pay attention.

            Awwww Paul is just scared.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Yes! I wonder if I feel so able to sympathize with both Paul and Mitch because I have an older sibling as well as younger ones. So I’ve been in both positions!

          • Klaus

            I do not think it was deliberate.

        • Far from polite.

        • Steven K.

          Right – that’s the phrase that bothered me the most. And it’s also saying he’s less than “manly”.

        • Jamie Dutton

          I meant polite in that Paul could have used much stronger language than he did to say the same thing.

        • Jeh Y

          I think people forget Fluke’s also a teenager and most likely not everyone in the comics is as over-analytical and over-calculating and occasionally downright anal about word choice as readers and observers of anything tend to be (see: LiveJournal, Tumblr, pretty much anywhere on the internet where a single word can fill up pages of inane rants).

          Not all humans are.

      • Steven K.

        Actually, if he had said that, for some reason I would have felt that was better and less of a problem for me. I think I don’t like the tone when he’s saying that he needs to “man-up” – that’s just harping on him and saying to him that he needs to stop being a boy/”baby” about things (which is insulting that he would still be considered that) or it is calling his masculinity into question, which is also insulting. I don’t know – I guess it’s just the way he is phrasing things that I don’t like. But yeah – if he had said what you wrote, I wouldn’t have argued against that.

    • VileTybalt

      Personally, I agree with Paul. I understand that he’s being a little too hard on Mitch, but Mitch needs to realize that he’s not being kept out of the loop for any personal reasons. Paul is just trying to respect Kyle’s privacy and it’s Mitch’s job to be supportive of that and focus on helping Kyle out.

      • stickfigurefairytales

        I agree, but at the same time I sympathize with Mitch too. He’s extremely worried about his friend who could be seriously hurt, and no one will tell him anything specific.

    • Jamie Dutton

      Although I can see why you wouldn’t take that tone with Mitch, Steven. He’s a cutie 🙂

    • strangeangel24601

      True, but considering the circumstances I think we can also forgive Paul for not being in the best mood. I think most of us would probably be a little testy after being dropped several hundred feet without warning.

      • Steven K.

        Well, that I can understand.

    • Hikaru Takemori

      I don’t see it as Paul being bitchy. Don’t forget that Paul heard Kyle cry on the other end of the line, and I assume Paule is worried sick by now and would have liked to get to Kyle through teleportation to ‘be there’ for Kyle as fast as possibile.
      And then there is Mitch. It is telling that the first thing we hear him ask is if Kyle really didn’t want him to be there. It clearly occupies his mind enought to be asked multiple time and stressing Pauls nerves more than they already are. It tells me that the distress Kyle is in right now is more like an abstract thing for Mitch, something to be understood interlectualy but without experiance behind it.
      Add to that the questions Mitch asked just after dropping them and Paul might feel that Mitch isn’t… something (it could be any number of things, harmless as well as meen) and he just blew up.
      I can understand Paul snapping at Mitch under this circumstances, and saying things that could have been phrased better, but I for one don’t think about phrasing in such situations.

  • Was the late night panel fun, Alex? I was so sad I couldn’t watch it.

    • Sapfo

      Yes, they where fun. and they are going to post them. (soon I hope)

      • Did the stream end up fixing itself?
        Or were you there?

        • Sapfo

          The image or the last panel?
          the image was bad, the last panel I dont know. I went to bed.
          But they will post the streaming they said. And I hope they do.

          • Ooooh, I was asking about the last panel. The stream broke. So sad.

        • We missed the first portion (15-20 min) of the business panel, but they didn’t air the 18+ panel due to issues, but they have promised to post them.

          • I was there for the business panel. 🙂

          • …..yeah….Sunday has gotten all fuzzy and it is 1 30 am and I didn’t sleep well or much earlier I think? I know I fell asleep some time after 5 am and decided staying in bed wasn’t going to achieve any better sleep about 12 50 pm. I don’t really think I slept but went in and out of naps.

    • Some of the late night panel was certainly fun, but I was so sleepy, as far as I was concerned, you didn’t miss much. I hardly said anything and what I did say was pretty dull. But many of the other creators had a very good time teasing each other and getting rowdy. 😉

      • SofiaT

        I got the same impression from the Writing Panel.

        Some of the other writers were very rowdy and boisterous, talking on top of each other.

        You participated in the discussion plenty but were much more quiet. 🙂

        • Many of those creators have known each other for years, so I think part of the fun for them is getting a chance to talk and banter with each other on the panels. 🙂

          • SofiaT

            I thought maybe it was a character trait. 🙂
            I belong in the boisterous category myself -unless I’m hungry. Then I zone out. 😛

            I hope next year you’ll get to banter with everyone too!

  • Sapfo

    Did not realize that we have stayed at for 2 hours. No wonder my brain’s getting slugish.
    I need more COFFEE POWER!

    or maybe just a little breakfast

    • Jamie Dutton

      By the power of the Bean!

      • Sapfo
        • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

          lol, I was just watching some old Mr Bean yesterday!

          • Jamie Dutton

            I prefer Sean Bean, but hey whatever gets ya goin 😉

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            lol, Sean Bean’s great, but if you’re planning for the long term, he’s not a good bet, since most of the characters he plays end up dying 😉

          • Jamie Dutton

            *sigh* IKR, lol.
            But he suuuure is good lookin!

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Oh, that’s for sure! *fans self*

          • rgleon9986

            You know, between him and Viggo Mortensen, I preferred Viggo (as far as LotR was concerned).

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Oh heck, I’ll take them both, washed and dressed in their finest. On second thoughts, skip the clothes, I’ll just have to tear them off anyway… although… what if the fun is unwrapping? Decisions, decisions!

          • rgleon9986

            *laughs* I like the half-shaven, long haired look myself…

          • Viggo needs long hair and a beard.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            He is at his best then, for sure.

          • Indeed he is.

          • rgleon9986

            You know they originally cast Stuart Townshend as Aragorn? And then they tried to get Daniel Day-Lewis before they settled on Viggo Mortensen.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            And I am so incredibly happy that they did.

          • rgleon9986

            Apparently they also asked NICOLAS CAGE! 😮

          • Jamie Dutton

            THAT is a scary thought ><;

          • rgleon9986

            Right?!

          • stickfigurefairytales

            AAAAGH!

          • rgleon9986

            I know!

          • Agree!

          • I heard there had been someone before Viggo, but he had appeared a little too young. I’m glad they didn’t get Daniel Day-Lewis

          • rgleon9986

            Yeah, they actually filmed some scenes with Stuart Townshend, but PJ changed his mind, so I guess they rescinded his contract or something…

          • It was probably for the best.

          • Steven K.

            (Sorry to disagree. I’ve always thought he was beautiful AND could really act.)

          • Steven K.

            Hmmm ….I think D D-L would have been amazing!

          • rgleon9986

            I actually tend to agree with you on that one. I’m thinking “Last of the Mohicans,” but a little scruffier. I think he’s a terrific actor. The lengths to which he goes to immerse himself in a role are actually a little terrifying. He might have gone even farther than Viggo Mortensen did, which honestly, is saying something. That being said, Viggo Mortensen did a terrific job.

          • Sapfo

            Game of thrones! Mmmmmh! ^_^

          • stickfigurefairytales
          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            lol! Love it!

          • Ha! Great.

          • I saw an article about Sean Bean that said something along the lines of “Give that man a leading role, dammit!” I adore him and I love Boromir. Boromir is weak, beautiful, an amazing fighter, has a great voice, capable of redemption. Such a flawed character…did I mention beautiful?

          • I always liked Faramir more. 😛

          • stickfigurefairytales

            I love Faramir as well (especially if we’re talking book Faramir), but I can totally see Boromir’s appeal.

          • Hikaru Takemori

            I love book Faramir, too. Hate what they made him do in the movie, though, taking Frodo to Minas Tirith and trying to bring him to his dad. So not Faramir.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Yes, poor Faramir. I always felt for him. 🙂

          • Jamie Dutton

            Nope, say it again, Gryphongirl!

          • Klaus

            In the extra material in the extended Lord of Rings DVD set, Bean says that best you can get as an actor is a good death scene.

          • rgleon9986

            Well, he’d know. He’s had ’em all: good, bad, and ugly. Btw, I have nothing but respect for Sean Bean.

          • Although I wasn’t fond of him in Troy.

          • rgleon9986

            Eh, I wasn’t fond of Troy in general. It think Brad Pitt was one of the few redeeming things about that film. My God, that man at forty. That scene bumps my kinsey rating up a point every time I watch it 😉

          • Well yes, the only GOOD part of that film for me was Brad Pitt. I would call anyone liar if they said he didn’t rev their engines in that.

          • Sapfo

            Sorry AJ! He did not. That was one bad Akilles.
            But I did like the rest of the movie.

          • SofiaT

            It’s been years since I watched it but Achilles was the only thing I liked about this movie. Not because of how he looked (I’m not a Brad Pitt fan) but because Achilles really is supposed to act like a childish brat while still being badass somehow… and he nailed that.

            The scenario was horrible though, they took they myth and ripped it to pieces.

          • You mean Brad Pitt was supposed to acting? I was too busy staring at him all buffed up and half-naked. 😉

          • Sapfo

            I felt that they interpreted his character completely wrong. he was angry and grumpy from the outset. The Akilles I knew about wanted to go out in the war, and did so with a more carefree Sprite. not to mention his “cousin”. Cousin oh no, they where lovers! (And maybe cousins also 😉 )
            But that is my veiw of that movie. Some might think diffrently.

            Brad Pitt was okay.

          • I’m sure they did, they never get those movies right. But, I wasn’t really watching the movie, though I recall disliking Orlando Bloom and how the movie ended. I was just happily watching Eric Bana (till he was killed) and Brad Pitt (until he was killed) be pretty. 😀

          • Sapfo

            If you want to see a better version of it i recommend “Helen of Troy”
            Its better.

          • SofiaT

            Actually, the Iliad is not about the Trojan war, the war is just what’s going on on the background. It’s about Achilles’ Rage (mynis).

            So making him grumpy was the only thing the movie got right :0/

          • Sapfo

            The Iliad started when Briseis was taken from Akilles by Agamemnon. And that was why he was angry. That did not happen until half the movie was half done. So he had no good reason to be grumpy he whole movie. Just after he lost Briseis. (Who was not related to the Trojan royal family)

            Therefor I do not think Troy had the correct image of Akilles (and so many other things)

          • SofiaT

            I hardly remember the movie to be honest, all I remember about it is that it was nothing like the myth of Troy.

            But from everything we know about Achilles, he was a “superstar” in his time and tended to act like a diva a lot.. Plus, Agamemnon -who was an ass- had pretty much taken leadership of the whole expedition from day one and Achilles thought that, as a demigod , that was his right and the leader should have been him. The dynamics for the two of them to butt heads were there from the beginning, the concubine incident was just the excuse.

          • Sapfo

            Very true. Both about the movie and Akilles. Losing Briseis just showed him that he was not the man in charge. He did not like that one bit.

            Sofia, I really like to talk more about this, but my brain can not take any more without some sleep. So I say good night now.
            and this time I mean it 😉

          • SofiaT

            And I’m at work, I’m not supposed to be in here 😛
            But is see myths being mentioned and I can’t help myself, I have to butt in!

            Have a good night!

          • Steven K.

            Crime against Homer and classical literature and gay-dom in general what they did with Patroclus.

          • Adam Black

            we need a Brad Pitt look alike to film all the ,missing scenes

          • SofiaT

            Well, Patroclus was Achilles’ cousin. And the nature of their relationship has been debated by scholars extensively, without anyone being able to prove that it was either just a deep friendship or a sexual relationship. Homer is being ambiguous about it. So people can interpret it any way they want without being in the wrong.

    • Adam Black

      have @admiraljane:disqus hook you up.

      Brazillian is going down fine

    • rgleon9986

      I second the coffee. I’ve been listening to Puccini opera excerpts this whole time. It’s awesome, but they’re starting to run together. 😛

  • KryX

    Wish I had had such good friends when I was Kyle’s age. Let’s hope that he can “man-up” and accept their help. An important part of coming out is realizing people like you for deeper reasons that what you like to do in bed. If nothing else comes from his ordeal, he could end up knowing he has really close friends that he can trust. That would be a net gain in my book.

    • Damn that post made me feel good. Me too. I REALLY wish I’d had these guys in my teens. Go Kyle.

      • KryX

        I know from personal experience, a catastrophe in ones life can show you who your real friends are.

        • FACT! So agree.

        • bronakopdin

          I really relate to this, it’s more than true

  • rgleon9986

    My comment below that the Puccini excerpts are starting to run together notwithstanding, my God that man knew how to use an orchestra.

    • Jamie Dutton

      Good luck with your exams!

      • rgleon9986

        Thanks so much. I’m trying to keep my brain occupied by switching to other things occasionally. Coffee/5 hour energy may be in order in the next hour or so.

        • Jamie Dutton

          *grabs pom poms*
          Go, rgleon9986, Go! Wooo, You can do it! Gooooo rg!
          😀

  • rgleon9986

    Oh, BTW! I’m so excited, I wanted to share with y’all that I think I’ve picked my dissertation topic: Donald Swann’s “The Road Goes Ever On.” It’s a song cycle written to the text of (and in cooperation with) J.R.R. Tolkien. My years of Tolkien fandom are finally going to be put to practical use!!!

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Awesome! Best of luck!! Hey, I happen to go to this conference that happens in March, and there are some excellent Tolkien scholars there if you ever want/need a hookup.

      • rgleon9986

        That would actually be terrific! I’m having to cover lots of topics here, and contact with some reputable Tolkien scholars will be very helpful. I’m kind of having to convince my advisor that this is a serious topic. I mean, I’m VERY excited about it, but I don’t think he understands the level of scholarship out there over Tolkien’s writings.

        • stickfigurefairytales

          I don’t know if he’ll be there this year, but we might be able to get ahold of Tom Shippey. He’s one of the absolute best Tolkein scholars out there. I can definitely guarantee wrangling C. W. Sullivan, since he was my professor and he’s a great guy.

          • rgleon9986

            Goodness… I certainly hope I can at least appear respectable with these professors. I’m just beginning my Tolkien Scholarship journey. :intimidated:

          • stickfigurefairytales

            No problem! Chip Sullivan is super nice, and I’m sure he’d be able to suggest some good scholarship to start looking at as you begin your research. There’s no need to be afraid of him!

      • rgleon9986

        Actually, I’d love to discuss this with you some more. How could we go about that?

        • stickfigurefairytales

          Let’s see…I guess I can just give you my email address. People on this site are cool enough that I probably won’t get any stupid jerks harassing me by putting it up here. It’s keyanna@gmail.com

          • rgleon9986

            Cool cool. I’ll send you something shortly. You shouldn’t have a problem recognizing the email; it resembles my screenname here. Thanks so much!

          • stickfigurefairytales

            No problem! I look forward to talking with you! (Although it probably won’t be until tomorrow, since it’s very late for me right now)

          • rgleon9986

            Understandable. Take your time. It sounds like we have a bit before I need to know if I’m going. Although, it might conflict with the opera… hmmm…

          • SofiaT

            You can edit your post now, if rgleon has gotten it already. We don’t have any stupid jerks here but why tempt fate? 😉

          • rgleon9986

            I agree. No need to leave something like that out in the open.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Thanks, good idea!

          • Klaus

            When publishing your e-mail address, it is better to use a form that robots will not recognise. Something like “keyanna and then an at-sign followed by gmail period com”. Though it is hard to know how clever robots are getting.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Oh, thank you! I will remember that in the future.

    • Jamie Dutton

      Sounds awesome, rgleon! LOVE when fandom and reality collide like that!

    • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

      Oh wow! That’s so cool. Any chance you’ll share it when it’s done? 🙂

      • rgleon9986

        If this community is still kicking in two or three years and I’m still a part of it (and I’m assuming that will happen), I’ll definitely share it! 🙂

        • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

          Awesome! Here’s hoping everyone’s still around to read your dissertation!

    • Niggle

      Being a fan of both Flanders and Swann and Tolkien, it’s absolutely insane that I forgot that Swann had done that… o.o

    • Steven K.

      I LOVE that poem!!! I used to recite it to myself a lot in times of stress. I love the lines “over grass and over stone, and under mountains in the moon” and “by caves where never sun has shown, by streams that never find the sea”. The latter line seems has a lovely bittersweet-ness to it that always makes me tear up. It also was set too music in the animated (Rankin-Bass) film version of The Hobbit (which I will always love dearly – including all the songs – no matter what anybody says!!!)

  • Short camping trip for me…gotta get up in a few hours and go to the department retreat. Not a bad gig, I must say, as it’s in California wine country.

    I won’t be be camping on Friday but I’ll pop in on Saturday.

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Goodnight, and have fun!

    • Sapfo

      Have a good time. 🙂

    • Have fun. It is beautiful up there.

  • Derkins

    Thank you, Paul, for the tough love. He needed it.

    • I must say if any guys here had an older brother or a young uncle or even a cousin slightly older… Paul’s love here wasn’t that tough compared to some of what I remember. Paul’s face in the last two panels looks pretty fierce, which I attributed to stress, but that’s just me.

      However, I considered him pretty gentle overall, considering what a lot of us younger siblings, nephews, younger cousins had to put up with in our lives. Let’s face it queer or not, young dudes are not always easy on each other.

      But, my girlfriends say that boys are easy on each other compared to girls. I take their word for it.

  • Oki, seriously.. I’m LOVING the comments on this page. It’s turned into a information/knowledge smorgasbord.

    One little sentense of Paul’s on the page turned into a debate about using (sexist) phrases, and then it turned into several convos about languages and their origin/etymology – partly because I spelled ‘phrase’ wrong xD
    3 hours later and there’s 460+ comments on the page already and number is rising fast 😀

    Comments come so fast my Disqus has slowed down and can’t keep up. I think we’re crashing the poor comment system, and if not my brain might shortcut a little from all the new knowledge coming so fast that I’ve spent three hours mostly scrolling up and down readng comments.

    You guys are the best bunch of people. Never have I experienced a comment section so.. literate, no that’s not the word I’m trying to come up with in English.
    Ugh! You probably know what I mean, or what I’m trying to say. I hate when I fail in finding the right word I’m looking for <3

    • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

      That’s part of the reason I still hang out here. I’m really not a superhero fan, never have been. Superheroes are just a bit too false utopic for my taste, thanks to the time period in which they first arose, but it’s worth continuing to read, just for the comments 🙂

      • Jamie Dutton

        You’re welcome to hang out in the comments all you want, Sharon. The more the merrier! 🙂

    • Sapfo

      <3
      Ice-cream for everyone (sorry, could not resist)

      • (o.o) 20mins after I posted my comment and 60 new comments has been made since then. They REALLY come fast this time.
        520+ comment in 3½ hours. That’s about 150 per hour here in the first commenting rush after the new page is up… might be a new record perhaps?

        • rgleon9986

          This site is only growing. I can’t imagine what it’ll be like by the time his next comic roles around. Artifice 2, perhaps? 😉

          • bobbyjoeguy

            mmmmm… Artifice 2, the Prequel!

          • SofiaT

            I’d go with a prequel and 3 or 4 sequels thankyouverymuch 😀

          • Huzzzah!

        • Sapfo

          Do I need to remind you of Redwood? XD

          this is fun, but I will have to leave soon 🙁

          • I don’t think that even Redwood created such a comment frenzy, and besides that was on TH 😉
            Speaking of Redwood. I better get some sleep soon since I only got an hour so far – since we’ll be camping again on TH in about 10 hours.

          • Sapfo

            I just remember that it was like over a 1000 comments very fast.
            You get some sleep Wolf! See you tonight.
            May the virgin hunt go on. Forever and ever! 😉

    • rgleon9986

      I am ALWAYS up for linguistic discussion if you ever feel like going in sending conversation that direction.

    • Jamie Dutton

      We are certainly very versatile with all of our talk of languages, opera, gender/general equality, Disney music and the hotness of Sean Bean.

      • dereule101

        Hotness of Sean Bean? I’ve been dawdling in the wrong conversation!

        • rgleon9986

          It’s evolved to the horrors of discovering that PJ considered casting Nicholas Cage as Aragorn!

          • dereule101

            *makes Gollum hisses*

          • SofiaT

            That’s almost as bad as casting NC for Superman o.O

          • rgleon9986

            I know! I have a friend whose opinion I normally respect in these matters, but she’s convinced the Nicolas Cage Superman would have been awesome! :confused:

          • So very confused.

          • rgleon9986

            Speaking of Superman, everyone should look up “Indian Superman” or “Bollywood Superman” on youtube and revel in the awesome badness. 😀

          • I…I… o.O

          • SofiaT

            …..

          • Hikaru Takemori

            Well considerind that noone belived Heath Ledger could play the Joker, I would give Nicolas Cage the benifite of the doubt. You never know if he wouldn’t have nailed the roll.

          • SofiaT

            I give the benefit of the doubt to Ben Affleck for Batman.

            I’m not letting Nicolas Cage get anywhere near Superman without heavily protesting. And possibly going on a hunger strike.

          • Hikaru Takemori

            As far as I know you woun’t have to.

          • SofiaT

            Which is a good thing because I love food 😀

          • YES! *ahem* I agree.

          • Oh the horrrrrror.

        • Sean Bean… my preccccccccious………

    • Klaus

      When I got through the comments, the little box said “154 new comments above.”

    • Our community here does make me very proud. 🙂

  • VileTybalt

    Well, gee. I’m sure glad that I planned to get to sleep early tonight. Ugh… I don’t regret at all though. It was an awesome and thought-provoking conversation. Good night everyone. Thanks again to The Young Protector’s, their creators and many fans for being the highlight of my week.

    • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

      Goodnight 🙂

    • Night Tybalt!

    • Jamie Dutton

      Goodnight

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Heh, me too. Goodnight!

    • Sapfo

      Good night!

    • Night!

    • Steven K.

      Awesome photo!

  • stickfigurefairytales

    Okay folks, I’m headed off to bed as well. Take care, everybody!

    • rgleon9986

      Bonne nuit!

    • Night!

    • Sapfo

      Good night.

  • strangeangel24601

    Glad to see Spooky’s got his priorities in order.

    • Cman65

      pretty birdy

  • Alright. Time for me to leave so I can get a nap and recharge before camping for Teahouse later. See some of you there.

    Btw, remember we have a chatroom that will ‘open’ in about 10 hours, a couple hours before the page is up. Drop in and say hi. We talk about everything from food to fetiches, lamps to noticable limbs and a hot man or two..or three 😉 Link to chat will usually be posted in the comments.

    • Have a good nap, Danish!

    • Sapfo

      Have a good day. See you later!
      I can post the chatroom link, if anyone wants to come.

  • rgleon9986

    So, having discussed the fact that Nicolas Cage was actually cast as Superman in a failed reboot, and turned down the roles of both Aragorn and Neo in The Matrix (a role Will Smith also turned down… interesting), what other super-famous roles do you think Nicolas Cage could have done awesomely bad in?

    • Sapfo

      Everything he´s have done (except “Lord of war”)
      Not a fan of his.

      • Kalic0

        I am not a fan either but, I think he was perfectly cast in the 80’s movie “Valley Girl”. It may seem smoltzy and dated at first (if this is your first time), but it really is a good flick. Nick Cage is from a famous showbiz family (he chaged his last name to seperate himself) and there was probably some pressure to enter “the biz”.

        • Jamie Dutton

          “Drive Angry” was pretty good. It was definitely entertaining.

    • dereule101

      He would have made a terrible Katniss.

      • Sapfo

        can I down vote you for that one XD

      • SofiaT

        I was drinking tea when I read that.

        And I just bought a new laptop, the old one crashed.

        Please give a warning next time.

        • dereule101

          I’ll whistle for the mockingjays.

    • Another Keanu film. Constantine. Bwahahaha!

      • rgleon9986

        Oh God, the scary thing is, I can actually see him having been approached for that one.

        • Yup. So can I. That just would have been so wrong. I wish they would have chosen differently for Ghost Rider. But then again, I wish they hadn’t picked Eva Mendez for that either.

    • rgleon9986

      Nicolas Cage: captain of the Milennium Falcon!

    • rgleon9986

      Nicolas Cage as Michael Corleone!

    • Jeh Y

      Elsa, Queen of Arendelle.

      He might’ve made an okay Anna, though.

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Bilbo Baggins.

  • bronakopdin

    lol, how Spooky caught his cap and the expression he makes xD

    somehow I feel pity for Flyboy to be left out that harsch… but yeah it’s only right for Kyle’s sake for now I guess ^^

    • rgleon9986

      Is your avatar Axel?

      • bronakopdin

        no it’s Hisoka from HxH

        • rgleon9986

          Oops, my mistake 🙂

          • bronakopdin

            no problem 🙂

  • Sapfo

    And with 589 comment I say good bye for now.
    You are all welcome to the TH-chatroom in about 9-10 hour from now.

  • Klaus

    Why do they need to go to Kyle. He is a demon, right? Why doesn’t Spooky summon him?

    • Sapfo

      I think that is a part that Kyle might have left out when he told Paul. That is not a telephone announcement, more of an eye to eye kind of thing.

      • SofiaT

        Even if Spooky knew that Kyle is part-demon, we don’t know if those rules of magic apply to him. How prominent is his demon blood and how could that affect possible summon spells?

        Also, what exactly does a summoning involve? You “summon” a servant and in that way I assume Spooky should have some sort of power over the creatures he summons -if he’s actually ever summoned one and he wasn’t just trying to impress the team and Amanda by talking out of his ass.

        Does that mean the demons are being forced wherever and whenever he decides to summon them, as if tied on a magical leash that is being pulled? Because even if Spooky could summon Kyle and knew it, it would royally suck to be pushed around like this again, after the night our little hero has just been through.

        • Sapfo

          I think you meant this one for @disqus_8gizXhsHgE:disqus 😉

          • SofiaT

            I just used your comment about Spooky not knowing of Kyle’s demon origins and took it a bit further.

            It wasn’t meant for anyone specifically 🙂

          • Sapfo

            Ok! ^_^

        • Steven K.

          Sure are right about that!

      • Steven K.

        Yeah – surely is that.

  • TwilightDreamer

    lol, trust Spooks to be worried about his cap 😛
    Whoa, easy Fluke, down boy….he’s right and everything, but Flyboy’s just being a worried friend (and being the youngest of them…).
    Still, as he said…no time to freak out.

  • IamM

    Mitch: “All of the above.”

  • Jeh Y

    And what do YOU know, Paul? Mmm?

    It seems like whatever Spooky may know, he just doesn’t give a shit long as the cap’s safe. Long as it’s in its rightful place, the man’s unflappable. I’d wonder if he feels naked without it, but something tells me he wouldn’t have a problem feeling naked.

    • Steven K.

      Well, there was the thought that maybe he’s covering up a bald-spot. Irony is for those who do such things that I bet continually wearing a cap like that might make it worse?

  • cheerbearp

    The cap has been spared a fate worse than death, I can breathe a little easier.

    • SofiaT

      When I saw him reach for Spooky and Fluke on that second panel, I thought he meant to pull them out and let the car crash. I thought “noooooo!” but then I saw the next panel and breathed a sigh of relief. 😀

  • Sapfo

    A question for the creators:
    Why is the car running if Flyboy is flying it?
    Is it artistic freedom or do Flyboy need the energi from the running motor to be able to fly it?
    And If not, then someone should have a talk about the cost of petrol and its impact on the environment with these boys.
    That is a full-moon and a moon like that can brighten up the night quite good on its own.
    o.O

    • Cman65

      force of habit turn on the lights

      • Sapfo

        Oh yes, in some contrys the lights most be turned on. (Here they turn on automaticly)
        But what about the batteries ;_;

    • Anneka

      In my car, at least, you can turn the motor off and run the headlights off of the battery while parked. It never seems to come in handy, but I guess they were anticipating the needs of the superhero market!

      • Klaus

        Does Flyboy see in the dark? If so, it has not been mentioned yet.

        • Sapfo

          Klaus, if you look att the right corner of the page you see that the moon is full. Dont need to see that well then.

      • Sapfo

        I really hope it´s not Amandas car. If they run the headlights without the motor the battery will die.

        • Steven K.

          Yeah – there is that.

      • Steven K.

        That’s what I’d assume is going on here – something like that. How do we know the engine is running as well? (Although the battery needs to be charged if it’s a long trip.)

    • Could be common curtesy so others can see them coming.. or to get birds out of the way 😉

      • Sapfo

        Aha… that dont make any seens! 😉

    • I thought it was because Flyboy seems capable of causing himself and things that he touches to fly but maybe practically speaking it’s hard for him to touch multiple people at one time and make both him and them fly…maybe it’s just easier for him to make the car fly and everyone sit in it…I mean it makes sense if you think that Flyboy doesn’t have say, an energy field allowing flight in an unrestricted radius…like maybe it’s him and then whatever else is in a small radius and then maybe he also has to consciously concentrate to fly…like I’d ask Alex if Flyboy flies when he is asleep…like does he just float…if not he probably has to be awake and aware enough to control the flight enabling effect/field/whatever…and again it makes sense practically speaking that his might be a very limited range effect…

      • Sapfo

        But why is the headlight on? o.O

        • presumably it’s dark because it’s at night and so it would make sense to have the headlights on because Flyboy probably needs to see where they’re going or he’d be crashing into trees or whatever lol…

          • Steven K.

            Exactly.

    • Steven K.

      Since they are flying at night, it would be useful that the lights be on at least.

      • Sapfo

        But it is a clear night, with a big full moon and they fly above the trees

        • Full moons can give a huge amount of light. They shouldn’t by rights need the headlights. But I will put it down to well that’s what you do when you drive at night? 😐

  • Sai

    Ah man, fantastic layout on this page and beautiful background work! Also poor Mitch, this is some great characterization. We’ve already seen how protective the others are of him but they also don’t seem to take him very seriously.

    I am hoping Mitch is a potential love interest. He reaction to discovering the fan drawings was… telling.

  • xLizardx

    Hahaha, and Spooky still manages to snatch back his hat 😀

  • Toli Bera

    “Freak out and question. No doubt.”

  • Artemis

    There are like so many things he could tell them.
    “I’m a demon.” or “I’m gay” or “I just ended the world by my hormonal urges.”

    • vessto

      Or these 3 in 1, like “I’m Gay (half)demon and I just ended the world by my hormonal urges.”

      • mogoskier

        Don’t forget to add, with a super villain who is 40 years older me.

        • Artemis

          How could we forget?

  • vessto

    I doubt Flyboy will calm down and stop listening. He has much more questions now.:)

  • LL

    “Man-up?” Really? /eye roll

    • Katana_X

      My dad told me to “woman up” the other day. “Adult up” just doesn’t roll off the tongue the same way, ya know?

    • Steven K.

      Exactly.

  • Kalic0

    Lovely page as always, and good catch Flyboy! I am looking forward the confrontation with a naked Kyle in a burned out building

    • Klaus

      Is the building burnt out? The windows are whole. The lamps are in place. There is a lot of soot, though, and Kyle’e clothes are completely destroyed.

  • stickfigurefairytales

    *Just* like a bird!

  • I just love their interactions…they’re so realistic to me…like they didn’t freak out that much…so they’ve probably already been in high stress situations…makes sense, and then they’re back to Flyboy being curious about that which Kyle is trying to be secretive about and Fluke is back to being protective which I find very charming that he’s trying to be so protective of Kyle and I wonder what’s going through Spooky’s mind…but yeah…

    That’s right they just do minor intervention type stuff…so there must be a whole other level(s) of super-hero/super-villain activity that we’ve not seen thus yet…it would be cool if Alex sort of develops the team into a much more advance combat ready team in the process of dealing the impending demon invasion…

    That’s going to be interesting if Alex carries it forward all the way to that point and then where ever…because I could see it being a really interesting story to see how Kyle has to navigate between feelings of loyalty and duty to his team and thus by extension the rest of the North American area that they cover…which I’m assuming they work in a limited radius so would be concerning themselves with their home territory so to speak- anyway be interesting to see how Kyle navigates between all that and then his apparent familial connection to invading demons…that’s really an unexpected and super interesting angle because I kind of wonder what kind a parental behaviors will Mr. Lampy display…like how exactly does he feel about his son…I mean he seemed pretty nonchalant when he flew away…I’m really hoping to see some real depth of character in him and his invading force because I think it’s really interesting to explore how will Kyle address all this?

    • Steven K.

      Your third paragraph – I was wondering about a lot of those very same questions and issues – the divided loyalties and those particular issues around Kyle’s “family relationships”.

      • yeah but Kyle deserves only the best of all possible conflicting loyalties…lol…like really, after all he’s gone through I would expect him to literally snap in terms of certain character growth lesson/spurts and namely that is one that you really can’t necessarily trust anyone but you sure as hell can be careful in terms of who you associate with and I think while Kyle sort of made a bad choice (I was never really sold on the whole Duncan/Kyle ship and I really personally wanted to sink it every time I saw someone crooning about Duncan…although I do have to say, that one comment he said to the effect of well-you-can-let-go-with-me-cuz-you-can’t hurt me, I have to say that was a brilliantly placed line because it artfully really does show the incredibly evil depths that Duncan will go to in order to achieve his goals for while he may be a “white-collar” criminal and mostly deal in financial wrong doings or whatever, he must have done nasty shit in the past in order to get the reputation that he’s gotten. So for me I was momentarily caught by the whole Duncan/Kyle ship but as soon as pulled his fire stunt…I think I was so unsurprised I wrote no comments…I was just like whatever…I think I was more surprised by Laamparos’ appearance as that is a highly exacting detail to be played in such a way…I was just really amazed at how artfully Alex pulled it off. Anyway, yeah, that line though about Kyle not being able to hurt him and thus being perfect for him…I don’t know if Duncan could be redeemable at this point (that would take genius writing but of course Alex is capable of such, I don’t know if he wants to do so lol)- because anyway, that is like the epitome of evil for me, betrayal of trust.

        So yeah…I feel like Kyle is going to have to grow up super fast and it’s going to hurt and so if he’s going to have to face a challenge of divided loyalties himself, I certainly hope that those challenges are thoroughly inspiring because Kyle certainly doesn’t deserve to be a sucker for yet another ruse and thus I would think that however Laamparos want to sway Kyle with- whatever that is…it better be stunningly way more engaging than the tired and old, “Here rule and reign as my son” nonsense because Kyle doesn’t seem to be one who would be motivated by such given that he does seem to be using his powers for search and rescue…so again, it’ll be exciting to see how Alex develops that entire angle.

  • rgleon9986

    Well, friends, my ridiculous all-nighter paid off. I believe I made an A on my final exam.

    • Congrats you!

    • Well done. I believe I shall take credit for helping you waste your study time so appropriately! Good job you!

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Hooray!

    • Congrats!!

  • JozefAL

    And in the unpublished final panel, Mitch yells back “Hey man. Back off. You don’t want to see me angry. Next time, there might just be two of us flying around and one big splat on the ground.”

    (Then again, Mitch might be a lot nicer than I would be.)

  • J-man 873

    Kyle does realize that the entire freaking world is in danger and he’s not at liberty to keep any secrets right?

    • HA! I think with all that monologuing that Duncan did at the end when Kyle was still paralyzed and couldn’t tell the dude to fuuuuuuuuuuke off… which you know he really really wanted to do…

      Well, during that period Duncan talked so much, that I think Kyle is clear on world-in-danger, your social security number, your mother’s maiden name and the name of your first pet.

      So, if Kyle has lost his marbles during this last few pages, I suggest we all start changing our passwords right fricking now!!!

      Anyway, just a thought.

  • Frater Gymnos

    God! I love the plunging car! and the way Spooky is grabbing for his hat.

  • SofiaT

    “I only told Spooky because I had to”.
    Why? Why is Spooky’s presence so essential here?

    Paul obviously knows more than he’s saying but how much is still uncertain.
    What does Spooky know and… why?

    Any ideas, guys?

    • That could a reason why Mitch is asking so many questions. Spooky knows. So….

      But I can only think because Spooky is 21, maybe he’s the “adult”.

      • SofiaT

        My question isn’t why is Spooky allowed to know when Flyboy isn’t, though.
        I honestly don’t know what Spooky is doing there. Unless Paul really is afraid the Annihilator might come back and he needs the magical back-up, I don’t see why Fluke “had” to tell him.

        • That’s what I was getting at. He’s the “adult”. Maybe there is some sort of protocol when they go out that they always need an adult with them. Granted, it’s a stupid reason why he’s there, but the only one that came to mind at the time.

          Otherwise, if there isn’t protocol, maybe Kyle mentioned Laampros and if Spooky can summon demons, he might be able to tell if Kyle actually is the son of a demon.

          I was just having an aside thought from Mitch’s point of view: if Spooky’s there and he knows, why can’t he (Mitch) know?

          • SofiaT

            If they’re sneaking out, things like protocols wouldn’t matter much though, I think. I mean, they’re already breaking the rules most likely by not telling Commander when a teammate is in trouble.

            As for Mitch.. He’d ask questions and be eager to know anyway. It’s that age.

            I don’t care now much about being left out of the conversation but when I was a teen it drove me crazy.

          • It still drives me crazy, but I deal with it better. ^_^

          • Which is why I said it was a stupid idea. 😐 Unless of course Paul is trying to not break the rules while breaking the rules. He can always point at Spooky and say: Hey, I took an adult so technically…. etc

            I think it would have driven me even more crazy knowing that the other person who wasn’t really supposed to be there knew, but I didn’t.

          • Jamie Dutton

            Has anyone thought that maybe Mitch, being 15 and kind of immature, won’t be able to keep his mouth shut about this?
            I’m thinking that they would want time to come up with a plan and not just blurt it out to the Commander. Kyle doesn’t need that right now.

          • It’s possible he might. But it seems that Spooky’s kinda loose lipped there too. 🙂

          • Steven K.

            Interesting idea that Spooky might be able to aid in some way with sorting out Kyle’s whole “I was told I’m the son of the Demon-Lord of Hell” situation.

        • Saxon_Brenton

          The ‘there’s going to be a demon invasion, and Spooky’s the resident magic expert’ angle was my default assumption as to why Mr Jones was brought along. However, Fluke’s comment that he only told Spooky because he “had to” is interesting to me. It suggests that while Red Hot had enough presence of mind to overcome his embarrassment to call his friend for help, he hasn’t realised (or worse, refuses to accept) that with a world threatening emergency he should have called in both Spooky and Commander straight away. This further suggests that it’s Fluke who’s doing the tactical thinking at the moment – in balancing both Red Hot’s and the planet’s safety needs, compromising on both, and possibly getting both sides mad at him. Which would explain his expression over the past few pages and his cranky attack at Flyboy this page. (The notion of having a plan ready to submit to Commander is neat, and something that fits in with this interpretation of what Fluke is up to).

          • SofiaT

            So you believe that Kyle has spilled all the beans to Paul?
            Because until now I didn’t but that now seems the most logical explanation.

            And Paul confirms that Kyle is not bleeding with quite a lot of certainty…

          • Saxon_Brenton

            Dunno. Seriously, I’ve been thinking about this on-and-off for the better part of the last day, and I’m still vacillating, and if you ask me again tomorrow I’m almost certainly going to have changed my mind. But my gut action right now is that, no, not only has Red Hot not spilled all the the beans, but a lot of the beans that have been spilled were because Fluke dragged it out of him.

            I’ve said before that I find interesting the question of whether Kyle will act like a teenager or a superhero in any given situation. I’ve also said that based on his past actions he seems to be a boyscout mode hero, and that because of this I was hoping his reaction to the betrayal he’s been put through and the associated info of the invasion that’s forthcoming would be to simply front up and given Commander all pertinent tactical details. But at the moment that’s not looking likely. I’m guessing that Kyle, being a teenaged boy, doesn’t feel comfortable with explaining his feelings in depth even at the best of times. Right now, still in shock from all sorts of betrayal and nasty revelations about demonic parenthood, the worry about being outted as both gay and dating a world-class supervillain, plus probably misplaced guilt about having been tricked into helping the supervillain launch a demon invasion, he really doesn’t want to talk about it.

            I’m guessing that the bare minimum he wanted to do while talking with Paul was to get word to Spooky what was going down and then to be collected and taken home so that he can just go to his room and metaphorically hide under a rock. If so then that speaks well of him, since in that sort of situation a lot of teenagers would go into literal hiding, period.

            (An aside: One of the hardest things I’ve found about this is trying to judge whether Red Hot really wanted to warn Spooky, or whether shock and despair had set in and he had retreated into fight-or-flight survival mode and just wanted to be brought home. I’m leaning strongly towards the former. I’m desperately hoping for the former. The evidence is that as soon as he’d made sure that Fluke was alone, he told Fluke that he screwed up really badly, which is directly contradicted by Re Hot wanting to keep things a secret. There’s also the fact that Red Hot was able to fight free of the binding chains enough to attack Annihilator rather than being stunned into inaction, plus the line by Annihilator back in the Prolog that Red Hot cares more about the rest of the world than about himself – but that may have been an exageration to butter Red Hot up.)

            Which brings us to Fluke. Red Hot may have known that he was physically unharmed, but Fluke had no idea of what the situation was. I’m thinking that regardless of whether Red Hot straight off told Fluke about the invasion or just to come-and-get-me, Fluke would have had to have drag more information out of Red Hot just to make sure he was physically safe. The exact extent of Fluke’s knowledge is something that I can’t adequately say. I’m guessing it’s not everything. Nevertheless Fluke has been shown to know a lot about Red Hot’s current situation, and being described as one of Red Hot’s best friends gives him good reason to be able to drag the necessary information out of him.

            And on a meta level, the reunion scene needs dramatic conflict. If it were just Red Hot and Fluke, I could almost guarantee that there was stuff threat Fluke didn’t know, simply for the “You did WHAT!?” But with Flyboy present to ask the incredulous and/or stupid questions, there’s no reason for Fluke not to have wheedled the information out of Red Hot except for whatever the intensity of Red Hot wanting to keep some embarrassing secrets to himself. Given the extent to which Red Hot has wanted to keep his homosexuality as secret (remember Annihilator’s rueful line that Red Hot would beg for his life, but would beg for his secret to be kept), I’ve been thinking for a while that Red Hot’s line (at least in the first instance) would probably be “The Annihilator used my stupidity and naivety against me to trick and trap me” rather than “The Annihilator used my stupidity and naivety to seduce me and trap me”).

          • SofiaT

            My first impression was that the phone call ended soon after Kyle asked for clothes. I thought that Paul would have heard his friend was in trouble and would have gone there no questions asked. I like the idea that Paul is the practical one in the team though (and I guess someone with his kind of powers would have to be) and that he made Kyle tell him more over the phone because he needed to know what he was going up against in advance.

            I still can’t decide how much he knows though. I’d think it weird if Kyle just blurted everything over the phone -but at the same time he seems awfully sure of what’s going on. He didn’t say “I don’t know Mitch, and Kyle wants this a secret anyway” he said “No. [he’s not bleeding]”. Looks like he knows what he’s talking about.

            The fact that he had to convince Kyle to let him bring Spooky, to me means that Kyle is not ready to face the grim reality just yet. But that doesn’t mean that he won’t do it or doesn’t plan to do it soon. The boy just went through a massively shocking experience, hero or not even he deserves a bit of time for self-blame and self-pity. Maybe he just wanted his friend Paul there and not his teammate Fluke, to give him the strength needed to go to the HQ and do what needs to be done. He’s probably feeling numb now (of course an hour has passed and he may have had some time to recover by now and shake off the numbness) but when he made that phone call he must have been emotionally exhausted.

            But he’s our Kyle, ya know? I can’t see him hiding under a rock for ever. I have faith in him that he’ll get up and face the music.

            What worries me is that he may be planning on doing that on his own. “My mess, I will fix it”. But of course these three will tag along, because that’s what friends do. And that the two leaders of the team, Amanda and Tsunami, may stay out of it till things get so out of control that there is no other option than for them to be notified -it’s not that I don’t trust Spooky’s powers but I don’t think it’s a good idea for the 3 boys alone (and Flyboy as the eager sidekick) to go after Anni and Laampros on their own.

            So I’m crossing my fingers Kyle will not only be brave enough to tell the whole team everything but that he will be wise enough to know that’s the thing to do -and that it’s not his personal responsibility to fix this on his own. I just wish I could trust his emotional state at the moment.

          • Steven K.

            Don’t forget that Kyle has an “in” with Laampros, and we have NO idea how Kyle might use that relationship to his and his team’s and the world’s advantage. It would be another tragedy if he’ll be forced to “go after” his own father, if he truly is so literally. But how that’s going to be resolved in the context of proud poppa’s intimated wishes that Kyle become a “Prince of Hell”, or at least a force allied to the demon-side, is anyone’s guess as well. In any case, Kyle is in an unprecedented condition to be an ambassador between the demon and human worlds.

          • Steven K.

            Everyone can PREVENT the whole demon invasion if they can get to Duncan and the other key and destroy it or at least capture it before it is used or in SOME way prevent Duncan from using it.

  • Wayne Lunkwitz

    Spooky is in the driver’s seat of the car…..so it must be HIS car!

    • Sapfo

      I think it might be Amandas

      • Well if it’s Amanda’s I have a feeling she may have a spot on her wall where she might hang their hides as trophies.

        • Sapfo

          I can almost promise that 😉

          • Those 11 months with the SEALS probably taught her how to perfectly skin them too.

          • Sapfo

            But she do need to practis. And three boys will sure do XD

          • Can’t let her get rusty for certain!

          • Steven K.

            See – now y’all are hyping up the bitchy Amanda I’d rather not see (not to mention stirring up images of the serial killer in Silence of the Lambs working with the skins of humans, or some other such gory film / horror content from some torture-porn movie. Rather disturbing.

  • Oh god.. sometimes my thinking shouldn’t be allowed to go in strange directions. Here’s where it went just now.

    On last page there was a lot of talk of a growing Mitch/Kyle shipping, and I kinda named it Team Mile (or Hot-Boy).. not really thinking of where this could go, before now…

    Mitch can fly.. flying.. Team Mile.. OMG!
    The shippers of Team Mitch/Kyle should call themself The High Mile Club!

    Not sure If I’m too tired for good thinking right now, or just tired enough xD

    • HA!

    • This made me laugh Danish. It made me laugh a lot.

      • Me too!

      • All this started because I thought that maybe Mitch wished he could just snatch Kyle and fly away with him. 30 secs later and it had lead to this o.O

        Edit: It would be a new definition of being a member of The High Mile club 😉

        • That’s the way it works. One thought leading to another to another and to another until you wonder wait, what? I was just thinking about cheese.

          • Just need to re-enforce the balloon and make it all fire proof.

          • Well…..that particular image is of the Caspartine and she was used to “catch” lightning by pirates. ^_^

          • So it should be pretty sturdy.

          • Yes. ^_^

          • You know, I have the Stardust GN/Story, but for the life of me I only remember bits and pieces. I need to dig that thing out.

          • I should probably read the book…I have the movie.

          • I really liked the story.

          • I liked the movie so I really should read the book. I love Neil Gaiman’s works.

          • I can’t seem to find the version I have on Amazon. I wonder if it was the complete story. Hmm.

          • Oh god.. my brain keeps going further in this direction.
            When I’m tired my mind dig deep into the gutter, more than usual 😉

          • Well share! Don’t leave us wandering around in our own gutters. 😀

          • Yes yes share! While I go check to see if my comforter is dry (it won’t be it, but I need to check so I can get it dry so I can go to bed)

          • I hate when it takes multiple times to dry.

          • Yeah….the aging cat in the house decided he needed to pee on my bed. So it was mandatory late night laundry.

          • Awww, poor old kitty. It’s always sad when our animal family age.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            This is why I feel so very lucky that I apparently have a very special superpower of my own – every one of my pets but one* has lived far longer than most animals of its species ever should, and without the poor health that accompanies it. Better still, I can get an old animal, and after a year with me, it’s as if it’s years younger. I don’t know what I do to make that happen, but it’s like old grandpa Willie in Black Beauty.

            * Sweet, boring little Jimmy, the entirely average adopted guinea pig, who only ever wanted to eat average guinea pig food pellets, and had no real personality to speak of, and lived to almost exactly the average maximum age of a guinea pig. I really wish I could miss him, but all I can remember about him is how perfectly average he was!

          • Most our animals make it to their mid teens. I just wish they wouldn’t go so down hill when it’s their time. 😐

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Aww, I’m sorry that happens to your pets. Mine just seem to keep on keeping on, then one day they just don’t wake up. They let me know when they’re getting close though, they act a little odd, I guess doing their equivalent of finishing up loose ends?

          • Maybe I could steal your superpower! We have a 14/15 lab/hound mix and the years are starting to catching up with him.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            lol, but you’d have to send him here for a year, and I don’t know if I can afford another animal mouth to feed, I’m already feeding my cat and dog, plus ten to twelve feral cats twice a day! I’ll have to see if I can send some of the magic your way somehow.

          • He’s a grumpy old dog anyway. I don’t know if he would get along with anyone. But I understand having more mouths to feed. We have three dogs and making certain they eat good food can sometimes be a struggle. Especially my boy who has IBD and I have to cook for him. So maybe I’ll steal some from you over the internet. 😀

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            I’ve gotten into the habit of cooking way more than I need and offering it to all the animals I feed, it makes them happy, and it makes the kibble go a bit further, but that wouldn’t work if I had a pet with IBD. Poor pup with IBD, my pets have always loved trying whatever I’m eating! Here’s hoping that sending the magic over the internet will work!

          • Yeah, my boy can only eat really plain food (meat veggies, rice, lentils work best), but I found if I grind it all up like baby food, plus multiple feedings, he does pretty well. It’s lowered any incidents to very very infrequent. It’s just lucky the other two have good stomachs.

            So yes, fingers crossed I can syphon some of your mojo. lol.

          • Crookshanks is somewhere between 8-11

          • He should have plenty of life there. Maybe he’s just a naughty kitty?

          • ……He knows making me angry is never good. I am the one that is in charge of feeding him.

          • Naughty kitty indeed.

          • I also like to think he loves me most so therefore treats me better. Lets just say no more kitty in my room until he learns to behave himself.

          • My dogs love anyone who has food. Especially my girl. It’s after the food is gone that determines who they love best. 😛

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            lol, that makes no difference to Socks, my kitty. He revels in making me angry, I think. Then he makes up for it with how cute he is when he’s feeling lovable or playful, and all is forgiven! He plays me like a fiddle, and I wouldn’t have it any other way 😀

          • This doesn’t really have much to do with anything, but it’s silly.

            http://headtrip.keenspot.com/d/20121022.html

          • LOL. Do we even want to know why Batman is stealing cat food?

          • No. Not in the least. XD She has other ones of the cat acting as if the world was ending because her bowl was only half full. I love Head Trip.

          • bronakopdin

            Poldi knew, too…. but then he know also, that he’s the one functioning as my alarm xD

          • bronakopdin

            that’s true… in May this year I needed to bring down my cat Poldi, he was 17 and got kidney problems.. we tried several things with the vet to make it better but it only got worse with time so I decided to end his misery… he was totally fine just half a year before 🙁

          • It was the same with our little Jack Russells. It’ll be a year and a half for one and a year for the other. It was very very sad. And they had been fine just six months before.

          • Steven K.

            Well, feeling that way even more-so for humans.

          • This is some of what that thinking continued to lead to..

            *Insert a 3-year timeskip* .. and the words: ‘This is your captain speaking. All aboard. The Flyboy is about to take off. Hold on tight and prepare for a great ride. Try not to overheat the engine too soon …

            Well, I’m sure you can imagine where this is going 😉

          • Nice! Yes, my mind is easily led astray. 😀

          • SofiaT

            Up-vote for the Stardust reference 😀

    • Sapfo

      Danish I can not even leave you alone for 2 hours without you starting a long new thread about flying and dogs. Way to go Wolf! 😉

      • >.> My comments on this page does seem to start long convos that take a life of their own LOL

        • Sapfo

          The long one are fun to do. Sometimes they just goes on an on. But have you sleept Wolf? The sun is up.

          PS. The autocorrect wanted me to chang Wolf to Woolf XD

          • *lol* Actually I’m just about to log off and get some sleep. I was just making the last comment check, because I finally got really tired.
            Night 🙂

          • Sapfo

            Sleep well Wolf! 🙂

    • SofiaT

      Bad Wolf, bad! 😛

      Mile reminds me of Milo, a chocolate drink they have here btw.

      • But Milo is dating Liam, isn’t he?

        • SofiaT

          I have no idea what you’re talking about which means now I’m curious, which means you have to explain 😛

          • Sapfo

            As always I would like to upvote this more then once.

          • SofiaT

            Oh great, another one!
            Btw, for someone who doesn’t like yaoi, I have an awful lot of BL webcomics bookmarked :0/

          • Sapfo

            XD

          • SofiaT

            Well, in my defense, the BL comics I have bookmarked are not manga and they don’t have weird Japanese names I find it hard to remember. They’re like any other western comic I’d read but, ya know, with guys. 😛

          • Sapfo

            Oh Sofia, we are only started corrupting you. Join the dark side, We have cookies! 😉

            BTW. It is a really sweat comic and it is on my top list. It just keep getting better as the creators of it learn more and more.

          • SofiaT

            You don’t need to convince me, I bookmarked it already to check out later 🙂

            Have to get ready for work now!

          • Sapfo

            Have a good day. I´m getting ready for bed 🙂

          • SofiaT

            Good night!

          • I was about to say that. Imo there’s a difference between yaoi and MANY of the gay webcomics. It’s just become so common for some to call it all yaoi – or BL which isn’t giving the same cliche vibes that a yaoi ‘stamp’ gives.

            I rarely call something yaoi unless it’s actually a Japanese styled manga. I’ll use BL or simply call it gay or m/m -last two especially if all the characters are adults then calling it ‘BoysLove’ sounds a litle strange in my ears..
            I guess that not reading a real yaoi until I was in my mid 20s turned me off from using the Japanes verbs for everything but an actual yaoi. I rarely use Seme/Uke either, and I find it a bit much when it turns into Sukes/Sekes or what ever some wants to call it when it’s suddently a comic where the couple will switch sometimes (the horror that is for some when a pairing actually isn’t stuck in cliche roles xD)

          • Sapfo

            I prefer the word slash, but I might be old school in that. And my reading habits do have a background in fanfiction. 😉

          • Oh yeah. Should have written m/m or slash. I kinda see it as the same but I know some use the word slash 🙂
            I think I rarely use it now because I originally thought slash only meant when you mixed various comic pairings into your own.

          • Sapfo

            Slash = male male
            Femslash = female female
            Het = female male.

            The reason why Slash refers to Male/Male is because of Star Trek´s fanfic in the 60-70´s was between Kirk/Spock. The others came later. 😉

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_fiction

          • The problem for me when I see the word slash, I think of horror stories, not m/m pairings. 😐

          • Sapfo

            it’s the other way around for me. every time I see the band Slash I think m / m. it irritates my music crazy friends XD

          • LOL! I didn’t even know there was a genre until I started writing it because this one pair of characters in my head were being insistent that they have a story.

          • Sapfo

            I started reading slash when I was 16. Very naughty of me 😉

          • I guess I’m just a late bloomer. Although I started reading regular romance at 17. Who knew it would take me here? 🙂

          • I believe I started reading regular romance at age 15. I was an avid reader and any time I saw someone reading a book I would inquire into what they were reading and ask if it was any good. One of the Band mom’s was reading Elizabeth Lowell’s Winter Fire. She hadn’t got to any of the naughty bits so she thought it was okay for me to look at. When she got to the naughty bits she told me I shouldn’t read it……heh….yeah…..that didn’t stop me. I will read anything if it catches my interest.

          • Sapfo

            Age 13 or maybe 14. Jean M. Auel.
            “The Valley of Horses”. Mama knew about it and did not mind 😉

          • Those scenes were bookmarked good!

          • I think that was my first really explicit book as well. Must have been around 12-13 when reading it.

            Btw. About J.M. Auel’s books. Have you read the two latest books she wrote later in the series? If you have only read the original four, keep it that way. The 5th book was really good, just like the others, but its ending leads directly to book 6. That one took her 9 years to write and it was published to celebrate her birthday. I was SO dissapointed that I was in tears when book was read. It clearly felt like she’d been pushed to just get something out and it was really bad edited + had so many unfinished issues. It was like the ‘real’ book started halfway through and then lacked about 100-150 in the end.
            Most dissapointing ending to a great book series I’ve ever read 🙁

          • I haven’t read the last two. By the time book 5 came out the overwhelming need to read it was gone. So I will just continue believing that they lived happily ever after 🙂

          • Good 🙂 I wish I could recommend reading the 5th book, because it’s really worth the read, but you kinda can’t without reading the last book. With book 6 it even made it worse for me (besides it being bad in itself) that the Danish translator clearly hadn’t read read the previous books and translated things wrong. Like ‘father’ was used in the book before the term was even defined as exisitng later in the story, ‘cousins’ were used instead of ‘sibling child’ and such. I was nearly having a hissyfit while reading xD

          • Despite it being bad, Jondalar and Ayla did live happily ever after, right?

          • I really can’t say! >.> It’s one of those open issues that didn’t get a proper ending – that should have been in those pages that it felt like was ‘missing’ to give the story a closed ending. But it was getting that way, so I think my conclussion to that is yes xD

          • Then that is what I will believe. YAY! They made it home and lived happily ever after.

          • Sapfo

            I have found that rereading book form my teens is not always good. Sometimes I just want to remember them the way I do now and not destroy them with my adult views.

          • That’s a good philosophy. I have found it to be the same with movies I remember being so incredible when I was younger. To look at them now… -_-

          • Adam Black

            I was reading mostly classic scifi and fantasy in my teens.

            It has held up really well.

            (( OMFG, I really like this this radio station in Fridays, ( usually its electronic/ambient ) but if they play one more sad song Im going to throw it out the window. wtf. ))

          • I read the books about every 3 year on average (also book 5 now because I really do like that one), but I’m pretty sure that the stroke and age caught up with her between book 5 & 6.
            I’m pretty sure they were to live happily ever after. Things were sorting out to be good 🙂

          • Sapfo

            I have only read the first four and I was happy with the ending in the fourth one. I have read the first one maybe two times (it is kind of diffrent from the rest of them, a little darker, not romantic), but the 2-4 I read a couple of times, good drama, the romance was good and som action. I liked them, but I dont know if I ever read them now as an adult.

            Mom read the other two and she was not so happy with them so therefor I never read them. And with your oppionen it is a certain no for thouse books.

            I have seen that before in other author, Just one book to many and the whole series seams “of”

          • I’ve always loved romantic themed books. Though they are far from romantic and really should not be in the hands of the young, I read VC Andrews in Jr High. That was rather eye opening. But real romance novels weren’t until I hit 17. I dunno why it took me so long to find them.

          • SofiaT

            The thing is, I don’t even read BL comics because they’re BL. I do it because, as it turns out, they’re damn good. I guess the fact that they are BL adds a depth to them, an extra layer that makes them more interesting stories to read because, by default, they’re more complicated. The “boy meets girl” stories have been told over and over and, while they can still be good, the number of ways that story can be told has been explored thousands of times already. But, if finding the right person is difficult to begin with when your sexual orientation is not in the minority, how more difficult can it be when it is?

            If the sex part was completely absent, just the story of two people finding each other in this crazy and often lonely world would still be reason enough for me to read them.

          • I agree.The story needs more than sex to hold my interest (that is just a possible ‘bonus’), and that is no matter what gender/sexuality the characters have. My favorite comics are just that because they have an intriguing story.
            Btw. two comics you should check out, if they’re not on your list already: The Fox Sister and Spindrift. Two really good (het) comics with a great story and georgious art. Two of my favorite reads.

          • SofiaT

            Will put them on the list 🙂

            Thanks Wolf!

          • Steven K.

            I’m glad you made this comment. I’ve KNOWN about the existence of those genres for a long time, but never really got into it before – so I don’t know ANY of the “lingo”. Now I know at least a bit!

          • HA! I think I wrote a novel one day after getting stuck on one of Alex’s dissertations about Yaoi. (It was great)… but goddess help me, if I have to figure out WHAT type of item I’m fascinated by I’ll go insane. So an I just lump them all into two categories. “LOVE” & “NOT SO MUCH”. Done. LOL.

          • Ha! I’ve snared another victim to TOY’s clutches!

            *rubs hands gleefully*

          • HA… how hard can that be… it’s great!

          • Sapfo

            Doki, have something bad happened on TOY:s comments?

          • ? ?

          • Sapfo

            Just a feeling I can no longer see Ow and Su´s bio about loving cats and coffee and why they are doing the comic. (maybe I´m looking in the wrong place)
            And I went back some pages and could not find any comments from them, did they not use to commet on almost all the pages?
            Something just felt of. I dont know maybe I am makes stuff that are not there.

          • I am not sure…. 🙁

          • Sapfo

            Okay, I hope I am wrong.

          • Tripping Over You has changed the way comments work a few times, which means that some of the older comments are now lost.

            (They had inbuilt comments as part of the site at comic fury. Then they moved to their own domain and used Disqus. Then they decided that Disqus was slowing down page load time too much and used a separate forum instead. Then they went back to Disqus but hid it by default so it wouldn’t slow page loads. So, yeah …. I’m sure the older comments are archived somewhere.)

            Personally, I hate threaded comments, but Disqus no longer offers a flat interface. It’s a pain.

            TRiG.

          • Sapfo

            Thank you!
            I was wondering.

          • Thank you for that. I just knew weird shit was happening in various places, but had no clue what, how or why… appreciate the 411.

          • I’m now totally addicted and have read long after I must go to bed… you are a naughty webcomic recommending person! HA.

          • SofiaT

            *sigh* Me too.
            Every time I find a new webcomic I like, I feel like I’m cheating on this one.

            But this is still the only one I feel like commenting on, so it’s not really cheating, right? …Right?

          • Sapfo

            So you found one more comic 😉

          • Due to all of you I have bookmarked folders stuffed with an unbelievable variety… fox sisters… brilliant Humon… so many I’ll never catch up… Honestly I still don’t really understand what’s happening in the Teahouse. If you guys didn’t debate in the comments I wouldn’t understand it at all. Anyway I love having too much to read, but I have e-reader books in my iPad, real books, comics … stuff stacked up for days. It’s both overwhelming and wonderful.

            I love this group.

            One member here taught me how to use Google+ another gave me advice on Twitter, etc… I may never use 1/4 of it, but I love stretching my brain to get some of it. So thanks to all.

            I’ve saved several really generous lists from Vesto and Doki and others that I’ve stuffed in various bookmarks folders. Stuff I would NEVER find on my own. I’ve pilfered Alex’s links in Yaoi911.

            Anyway, ’nuff said. Thank you all for sharing great stuff. Even Sapfo, trouble-maker extraordinarie, who sent me “Unicorns Dancing On Rainbows”… well after I got the song out of MY head… I’ve tortured plenty of other people with it. You are all the best. Thank you.

            But Doki is very naughty with TRIPPING OVER YOU… OMG I can’t stop reading!!!

            Sofia (and Khaos) is another one who Lady Karma will get after for getting me hooked on that series. Oh boy… I may never sleep again. HA.

            Thanks guys,
            ChrisD

          • SofiaT

            I don’t remember who it was that got me hooked on Khaos. Blame them 😛

            TH and SF I tried to read but they’re not my style (and I don’t understand what’s going on most of the time either).

            But TJ & Amal, which I’ve stolen from Alex’s links, EMR (recommended by Doki) and now Tripping Over You, I’ve fallen in love with.

            So, I thank everyone here too 🙂

          • ^_^

          • Sapfo

            Thank you Chris!

            there are so many wonderful things out there, and my curiosity is hard to hold back. even though my sleep sometimes becomes a bit shorter, it is often worth it.

            This trouble-maker loves to make people smile. ^_^

            Now like a child before Jul, I will try to get some sleep before the camping.

  • Maus Merryjest

    I’ll say this:
    I’ll take Mitch over Anni any day of the week.

    So, Kyle? Don’t pass that up, or I’ll make my move XD

    • Steven K.

      I’d have to agree at this point in the tale.
      (Well, at least when he’s legal.)

  • Spooky looks waaay too bemused by this whole thing. ^^;

    • Jaden Levi

      Spooky looks high at times. Lol.

  • SpookyDomme

    Fluke–if I have all the names correct–seems to be a solid friend so far. I like that. Yay Fluke!

    Also the RSS feed is fixed!

    • SofiaT

      And I got my email again 😀

    • I’m glad to hear that. I spent an hour working with Feedblitz yesterday trying to get that sorted. There still seem to be a few kinks so there might be a couple more disruptions, but we seem to be on the right track of troubleshooting what’s going on.

      • SpookyDomme

        That’s fantastic, you’re very dedicated. 🙂

  • jreed3842

    So I keep thinking today is Friday (since my last final for the week was today) and I even almost asked my good friend, who is my camping buddy, to join me in camping tonight. BUT IT’S ONLY THURSDAY!
    Oh well, I brought s’mores anyway.

    • YAY! S’mores! *nom* What?

      I’ve had to keep reminding myself it’s Thursday too. (Almost typed Friday too)

      • jreed3842

        I’m glad we’re in the same boat! Haha

  • Question. Is this site also working weird for others than me?
    I can write in the main comment box just fine and basicly no issues, but trying to reply to anything, or edit a comment, and the comment box/comment section nearly freeze and works really slow. It’s not something I’ve tried before today, and from what I can tell it’s only a problem for me on TYP.

    • jreed3842

      Hmm. I haven’t noticed any problems here.

      • Hmm, just did a test. It seems to mostly happen if it’s part of a long comment thread. My disqus doesn’t seem to like those today. How Ironic since half my comments on this page has lead into some long threads :-p Disqus is punishing me.

    • I haven’t noticed much of a problem, but my email notifications haven’t been coming in order or at the proper times lately.

      • That’s been a huge issue for me for a while. Have tweeted Disqus about it. It’s an issues they’re trying to sort out why is happening. Don’t think they have much success figuring it out, since it’s been happening on/off since the new Disqus version was made.

        • SofiaT

          Since yesterday I have the old version of Disqus on my phone. Maybe they’ve gone back till they can fix the bugs on the new version?

          • I think there’s a difference between the computer- and the phone version, and they’ve been trying to make a new phone version recently. Is that what you mean?
            When I’m talking about the previous over all version of Disqus, I mean before the design was changed a year ago. Since Disqus 2012 was made there has been bugs that they’ve tried/managed to fix along the way. The notifications glitch is not one of them, and it’s been there from the start. The more traffic on/busy a site is, the worse it gets.

          • SofiaT

            Yeah, I was referring to the mobile version. Up until a couple of weeks ago the mobile Disqus was the same as the pc version -but then they changed it. Now they’re back to the old one again.

        • It’s such a pain because I’ll have seen several posts and it’s not until an hour later or more that the email comes in.

    • Adam Black

      it seems to be working today for me. for once.

  • Dark_Otter

    My favorite part? Spooky’s thumb-point. “What has two thumbs and is the guy everyone trusts? This guy!”

    But I wonder how long he’ll be able to keep the smile on his face when he realizes Kyle has… well, not made a deal with the devil, but become the bargaining chip in one.

  • Ryn

    must grab the hat!

  • Thanatopia

    Hey, loving the characterization. We haven’t seen much of his team thusfar, so it’s great that we’re getting a solid feel for their personalities so their response – whatever it is – will have more gravity.

    On the edge of my seat here! 🙂

    • Klaus

      Place of Death? Why do you call yourself Place of Death?

      • Thanatopia

        Haha, good question! It’s partially a joke to myself about my tendency towards self-sabbotage (in the Freudian sense), and a reference/reminder to a project that I’m working on.

        And it sounds cool. Maybe. Just a bit. XD

  • Melodic

    ‘man up’ is such a tired phrase, it needs to be banned from life

    • Jaden Levi

      Amen.

    • Steven K.

      I’ll support that!

    • i dunno…i kind of like it at times…i’m not sure why though…

  • Sapfo

    Scandinacia is approaching winter solstice (21 December) and today it is Lucia that remind us that a lighter time will come (the unreligious reason is the coming of spring)

    http://satwcomic.com/christmas-traditions

  • Simba

    Ten more minutes of work and then I get to go to the dreaded work holiday party… Oy.

  • rgleon9986

    how’s everybody doing tonight?

    • Not too bad, I might disappear for a bit later, but I will be back.

    • Tired, but steady.

    • SofiaT

      I’m supposed to be packing, instead I’m here. :0/

      I’ve done one load of laundry so far and I have a bed full of clothes. But it’s too hot and I find it hard to pack for winter. I just throw in the suitcase whatever I find and I reckon if I need warmer clothes, I’ll buy them in Europe.

      • Adam Black

        how long are you going to be travelling?

        • SofiaT

          I’ll be gone for nearly 6 weeks. But each trip is 33-34 hours long, so my “net” vacation will last a little over 5 weeks.

  • rgleon9986

    did everybody about the sad news in india today? well not today, but recently.

    • SofiaT

      The gay law they reinstated? Yeah. Looks like we take one step forward and two steps backwards lately, as a society.

      And the recently passed law for marriage equality in Australian Capital Territory was just overruled on Thursday by the High Court. The couples that got married over the weekend, their marriage is now invalid.

      • >:(

      • rgleon9986

        yeah, I read about that too. its weird, I was actually just looking for the name of the capital of Australia. that’s how I stumbled across an article about that law being overturned.

        • SofiaT

          It’s called Canberra. But it’s not part of any State, it has its own Territory.

          I understand why the High Court would overrule the ACT’s law. After the changes they made in 2004 in the Marriage Act, where marriage was defined (for the first time) as “between a man and a woman”, it wasn’t really surprising. The issue needs to be discussed on a Federal level. But it’s still disappointing.

          Problem is, the Coalition government we have right now is a conservative government and the Prime Minister (who is a devout Catholic) won’t allow for his party members to cast a conscience vote. They all have to follow the party line.

          • rgleon9986

            Yeah. That’s what I got from the article I read. Based on current Australian federal law, the ACT’s law had no standing, legally. That doesn’t mean we think it’s right, though.

          • SofiaT

            I think the members of the ACT parliament knew it would be overruled if contested by the Federal Government, but they did it anyway so they’d force the discussion to begin again.

            I hope it will soon, because Canada, the UK and NZ have already passed marriage equality laws and, the way this is going, we’ll be the last country in the Commonwealth to do so! That’s a national embarrassment, we’re supposed to be a forward-thinking nation. And according to a national-wide poll in 2010, 62% Australians supported marriage equality. I would assume the numbers are higher now. So by denying it, the government is denying the will of the people. Not very democratic.

          • Cman65

            Tony Rabbet-On is the PM but he is mostly in hidding as when he opens his mouth he can fit both feet in it

      • jreed3842

        I just cannot wrap my head around why people are so against marriage equality. Like. HOW DOES IT EVEN EFFECT YOU THAT TWO PEOPLE OF THE SAME SEX ARE GETTING MARRIED?! IT DOESN’T!
        *sigh* It’s… sad… it really is. We, as a society, really need to grow up and realize this is the future… and that gay people exist… and we love the same way anyone else does.

        • SofiaT

          What’s more troubling is that there are countries where being gay (especially a gay man) is illegal. The old/new law in India bans gay sex. Any homosexual act and you find yourself in jail.

          This is the 21st century for crying our loud, not the 1700s!

        • Steven K.

          Well-said!

      • California has been doing that dance for a couple of years. Things seem to be sticking now. I wish I cared about the marriage thing. I just want equal rights. I’ve been “married” for many years. No one wanted to acknowledge it before.

        • SofiaT

          I don’t believe in marriage as an institution myself, and I don’t intend to ever get married. My sister chose to form a civil union instead of having a wedding, she still considers herself married -the word itself is not so important.

          What is important -and you must understand and feel that much better than me- is that once we all have -as you said- equal rights, the society as a whole will be better for it. Now you have kids in school being cruel to other kids because being gay is still considered “being different”. And it’s human nature to ridicule that which is different from us. Send the right message to those kids, that whether we’re gay or straight or whatever, we’re all the same, and their whole behavior will change. They take their cues from adults. And, if we take the right steps now, when they become adults, they will be living in a much better society.

          Our generation has already formed its opinions. Nothing you can do about that.

          But we must make sure that stupid debate ends here.

          • *APPLAUSE*

          • Adam Black

            I dont beluieve in marriage either, but i believe in equality.

            The Bigots brought this one on themselves.
            They gay community didnt want marriage, until it was used as a tool for decades, to deny them civil rights.

            I see equality as the first step to reforming the institution to something workable.

            I think marriages should be hard to get into , but easy to get out of.
            I think we need a secular prerequisite , like civil unions contracts or legal binding engagements which expire: these should be the opposite … easy to get into but hard to break.
            I think this will slash divorce rates, cut down on trial marriages, and restore in spirit how marriage used to function without the unworkable parts.

          • SofiaT

            Having witnessed my mom (barely) escaping 2 abusive marriages, few things scare me more in life than marriages that are hard to break.

        • Adam Black

          California is done.

          Conservatives are afraid to take ot back to the Supreme Court.

          The writing is in the wall.

          Next time its over

      • Cman65

        you should of seen what some %uck-wit sent in to the paper saying that if the gays don’t like they should leave! In my state Queensland when we got a new Gov they changed it so the best we can have is no better regestering a dog. Only good thing is that it looks like they are going to be tossed out after one term

      • Adam Black

        I think America is leading from behind on this issue.
        I think we are 10 years or less from it being national law here.

        US Republicans ( our rightwingers ) are showing strong signs of flipflopping and pretending they were never against it.

        I think that will embarrass all the liberal democracies to our left. Your right parties wongt be able to look to us for ideological cover.

        Its becoming a toxic issue to stand against publicly.

        Tolerance will come.

        I feel less hopeful about acceptance

        • SofiaT

          I think it’s a matter of time for both.
          I just hope it’s sooner rather than later.

          • Adam Black

            Tolerance will create a public illusion of acceptance.
            its what people do in their lives that counts.

            Society was moving there fast pre-AIDS.

            I think full acceptance of male bisexuality will have to come first. HIV is a barrier there.

            I think we are 10 years away from an aids cure. We have most of the puzzle pieces. Govt funding has been flat since 2008. without a big push we could be 10 years away for a long time.

            If people understood how close we were, they might demand the money be spent.

    • Adam Black

      NO, but there is always sad news.
      Everywhere, everyday at all times.every second since you posted. Forgive me if I dont go seeking it out. It can find me if it wants to .

      • I have a forward filter on my inbox that automatically sends my sad news on to you. So far I’m liking it.

        • Adam Black

          email? I cant even remember when i last opened it.
          thanks for the demotivation

          • I live to help… Yeah inbox was the the only word I could think of…. Yeah the dinosaur inbox. Heh.

  • jreed3842

    Helloooooo my fellow campers!
    Instead of s’mores, I decided to bring hot chocolate… because it’s snowing like crazy here, and I need something to keep me warm! But don’t worry, I brought plenty for EVERYONE!

    • Yay! Do you have candy canes to stir them? Either way I want one!

      • jreed3842

        Of course! I have crushed salted caramel, or crushed peppermint to add to them if you desire!
        Here’s a cup for you!

        • Crushed peppermint! You are now my favourite person!

    • As usual… Gimme! *hands held out* 😀

      • jreed3842

        *Gives you giant cup of hot chocolate* Would you like whipped cream?

    • Cman65

      so hot here needed the A/C running on high all night

  • For those that read SF, it has updated.

    I find the page both adorable and hilarious and just too cute. ^_^

    http://starfightercomic.com/chapter_03_page.php?page=Chapter_03_Page_85.jpg

  • My friends have a wonderful camp and know I’m with you in spirit. We are off to have dinner and see a Christmas show with a bunch of friends in the real world… So tell me why I think the Real World is camping and I’m off to do crazy stuff with crazy people.

    Also my wireless is out til tomorrow morning since we’re changing carriers. Why does that make me feel crippled? Oh dear… I’m on an iPad and that makes this seem really hard…

    I hope you all have a great time tonight. Will miss you.

    Best,
    ChrisD

    • Have fun tonight, Chris!

    • SofiaT

      Have a great time Chris! Will catch up tomorrow. I’ll save you some s’mores. 🙂

    • Have fun *waves like you’re leaving for a year* You’ll be missed until you return.

    • Adam Black

      love it up,

      post pictures

    • Jamie Dutton

      Have fun tonight! Don’t worry, I’ll split your share of s’mores and cocoa with danish and dokidoki 🙂

    • Sapfo

      Enjoy yourself! 🙂

    • Have a great time Chris sweetie and don’t worry, I have some s’mores and cocoa set aside for you!

  • Making it to camp early tonight. Woke up at 2.30 way before I had set the timer, and having been awake since I dare not take a nap now. I could risk missing the alarm clock xD
    At least my timing with Starfighter was good. Checking in just as it had updated. *thanks my inner alarm ;)*

    • Sapfo

      Wook up 2 min….. Not really wake yes…..~.~

    • Jamie Dutton

      Nice night for camping!

    • Sapfo

      10 min before I really could see what you had writen. LOL
      yes, that is a good starfighter ^_^

      • I just realized that I’ve kinda ‘missed’ an hour. Apparently I got caught up in staring at yummy pages, because suddently time is 5am.. or I just zoned out a bit after a long draining day. Probably a bit of both.
        My alarm clock just went off (forgot to turn it off) and scared the crap out of me. Where did 4am go? Not even kidding xD

        • Sapfo

          LOL Me to, stared at the yummy page of SF until now. My brain is not really kicking in just yet. 😀

          BTW got a phone with internet now. So now I can do some camping during the trainride to work and during short breaks at work. That is what I call progress 😉

          • I’m so not awake either.
            And that’s cheating. I can’t get to a computer when I start my course in january, and i don’t have internet on my old phone *jealous* xD

          • Sapfo

            Had to get it for “work” 😉
            No, but really I had to, I need to have maps and other things for work. But I dont know if I can take a virgin on it :S

          • Jamie Dutton

            uh huh, “work”

    • yay…does Alex post a midnight? i forgot…i think i feel like camping here to wait for the next page but that’s probably because i’ve been fighting with Photoshop for way too long and then also aggravatingly been trying to generate quantifiable estimates of how long it will take to perform a highly creative artistic task and have come to the conclusion that such is somewhat nuts…creativity isn’t something you can just conveniently say is allocated to say 5 hours for several days thus resulting in some new creation…at least not for me when Photoshop is part of that equation.

      • It can be any time from now (soon) and in the next few hours. It’s around now the serious camping will start.

        He usually updates before midnight his time. It’s now 8.30pm where he is.

        • oh serious? like he sometimes posts before midnight? whoa…that’s kind of cool 🙂

  • Acintyabedhabedhadasa

    “Is Kyle in the warehouse bleeding or something?”
    “No, they never got as far as penetration.”
    (Mitch drops the car again.)

    • Adam Black

      thats funny

    • oh my gods…that is just terribly funny and terribly awful…face palm.

    • Steven K.

      Ewww. First times should NOT be like that – NO bleeding (at least not for guys). I know in the other circumstance a bit might be unavoidable.
      In either case, please go gently in such circumstances.

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      He would certainly drop the car again for that one!

  • Hikaru Takemori

    I find it interesting that Spooky’s cap got its own lines around it. Could this be a hint of some kind or is it just artistic license?

    • SofiaT

      What do you mean?

      • Hikaru Takemori

        As they are caught by Mitch everything but the cap Spooky grabs have downward speeding lines but the cap gets a circley thing? It just struck me as odd.

        • SofiaT

          Oh. Maybe because it was caught? And a hallow cap falls differently than a car? More wind resistance?

          • Hikaru Takemori

            Wind resistance, hmm… Then it also could indicate the start and end of a spining movement.

          • Steven K.

            I think that’s it.

    • silibub

      I think it’s to draw attention to the fact that he caught it, so no one goes to the next panel wondering “Wait, when did he get his hat back?”

      • Hikaru Takemori

        Could be.

  • Things I really didn’t notice before: the content expression on Spooky’s face as he places the cap back on his head. Super cute.

    • Hikaru Takemori

      He sure does look happy to have it back where it belongs.

  • Jamie Dutton

    Oh btw, I managed to build a chibi snowman before the snow melted away. I’ll post a pick of him for ya’ll 🙂

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/sad6icxi9ixbb59/Photo0060.jpg

    • Sapfo

      Oh, thats cute. If you had not writen chibi, it would just looked like a sad little snowman. But now its chibi (^_^)/

      • Jamie Dutton

        lol, took awhile for the snow to be wet enough to stick together. I was just happy to scrape enough together to make him at the last moment 😀

    • that is kind of cute and scary…

      • Jamie Dutton

        Scary?

        • yeah…i dunno…i’d be a little scared if i saw something like that and i was walking around in the dark at night and just stumbled upon that…like one eye looks smooshed or something lol…i mean it’s obviously a little snow man…but there’s just something slightly menacing about it to me 😛

  • Sapfo

    Ooh Now I got it!

    Alex, this is when the ninja-robots will make an entry to the comic, right?
    I got the romance, I got the humor, I got the action, I got the drama, I got the heartbreak, I even got a tripp to a helldimantion. So it is the only logic thing.

    Ninja Robot Time!

    • i’ll vote for that too!

      although it would be kind of crazy…but then again, Alex is that good of a writer that if anyone could take this story and add Ninja Robot Time to it…well I’m sure he could do it lol.

    • Hikaru Takemori

      Weren’t Cat Pirates from Space mentioned somewhere, too? You can never have to much cat related things.

      • Jamie Dutton

        Time traveling Cat Space Pirates 🙂

        • Hikaru Takemori

          Oh yes, they beat those boring Ninja Robots 🙂

      • Sapfo

        Cat and Pirates, that is like taking to of my favorite things. Put some sprinkels on it and a cute bow. And I will give Alex all my possessions. I mean it, even the banana peel in the trash can. 😉

        • Hikaru Takemori

          I know, combining those should be illegal for being so awsome.

        • Jamie Dutton

          If you’ve ever played La Pucelle, you get to recruit a whole airship crew of the most adorable cat pirates ever!

          • Sapfo

            I want that, but I just gave all my possession to Alex….
            😉

    • But.. but.. no flying pigs then? Flying pigs vs. flying car.

      • Sapfo

        Do I get to see Kyle riding the pig?

        • *starts writing first thought that came to mind*
          *thinks about it again*
          *deletes*

          • Sapfo

            So you think that in the first draft of the TYP script there where a scene with Kyle riding a pig? o.o

          • Hikaru Takemori

            Maybe thats a scene thats still to come.

          • Sapfo

            So what other scenes might our dear Alex give us 🙂

  • Sighs…. so I have some fanart I wanted to send to Alex this weekend. And then I realised that I left it at my desk. At work.

    Feeeerk. Well… preview, anyone?

    pic.twitter.com/2AwW7psLaA

    (I might or might not tweet these things to Alex…)

    • Nice!

    • Jamie Dutton

      Wow that is gorgeous!
      I finished mine I did of The Commander tonight. Sent it to Alex earlier, hope he likes it 🙂

      • silibub

        Ooh, exciting – Commander needs love too! Looking forward to seeing it!

        • Jamie Dutton

          Well I think I got the copyright thing right for this one so I’ll toss up the link.

          http://fav.me/d6xuk47

          • Jamie Dutton

            Btw, I have sooooo much respect for Vero’s skills! Never realized how hard it was to draw white pants!

          • silibub

            Great job!! And I admire you and Kinziechan for putting effort into backgrounds — I never have the stamina, haha.

          • Jamie Dutton

            Thank you very much.

          • Backgrounds are the bane of my existence.

          • i get a chuckle regarding the painting over of graffiti.

          • Jamie Dutton

            Well I was just gonna have her stand in front of the graffiti covered wall, but then realized she’d be cleaning up their mess when she saw it, lol.

      • :o!!!! I wanna seeeeee!

    • silibub

      Awesome!! I love it! (Surprise surprise)

    • wow…don’t see that kind of pencil drawing much these days…that’s really cool

      • Thank you! I don’t have anything but pencils at work XD

        • i love it…i’m deprived of other art materials so i’m going to take this here pencil and do something awesome with it…

          i’ll think of that when i go back to fighting with Photoshop…

    • jreed3842

      DAMN! That’s good! Good job!

    • Adam Black

      nice.

      JUst noticed she is carrying a Battle-axe.
      That makes another visual pun by Alex

  • espa

    After this page, I really love Fluke. He clearly knows what’s going on, and all he wants to do is to help Kyle. Fluke, I love you.

  • rgleon9986

    I think it’s too early to start camping. Also I still have stuff to do today. But I’m just dropping in to say hello, and that I fully intend to join all of you tonight.
    I was actually on a road trip last Friday night, which was why I was posting so seldom. I had a performance of Messiah to do in my hometown, which took up most of my time. Now I’m officially done with classes and travel for a while. Time to start preparing for next semester!

  • Superjenny

    Spooky loves his hat more than life.