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The Young Protectors: Engaging The Enemy Chapter Three—Page 1

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Squak! Oink! Ding!

And thus, a new chapter begins…

Hey, y’all! I need your help again! 😀 I’m starting work on the writing of The Annihilator Dossier. This is going to be a special, secret government file on The Annihilator which will cover what they know about his history, associates, crimes and abilities. I have a good idea about what I would like to explore here, but I really want to hear what you would like to know! So, I’ve created this Google Moderator page where you can make suggestions and vote on each others’ suggestions for what you’d like to learn about everyone’s favorite villain.

Now, of course, this is supposed to be a real government file, so I can only include what makes sense to have there. So, “How does he really feel about Kyle?” wouldn’t work, but “Who has he dated in the past?” or “Has he ever been in love?” might. Make sense? And with that in mind, the field is still wide open about what we can cover. So if there’s something specific (or general) you’d like to know about good ol’ Dunc, now is the time to tell me. 🙂

Let me know what you’d like to learn about The Annihilator in his secret government file!

You were very helpful with your suggestions for the trading cards, so I’m really eager to hear what you want to see in the Dossier. I hope you have fun with it!

We had our nineteenth bonus page on Wednesday. And look below! We’re already at $154 towards the next bonus page!

Special thanks go out to long-time supporters Annika D. & Sara F. (both making their fifth generous donations to The Young Protectors!), Linda E. (who makes their sixth generous donation to The Young Protectors!), Sofia T. (who makes their eighth generous donation to The Young Protectors!) & Jon-Carl L. (who makes their eleventh generous donation to The Young Protectors!) and a warm welcome and grateful bow go out to new supporters Jeffrey J., Lauren H., Katherine B., & anthony m. for their generous donations over the last few days!

And big hugs go out to new friend of The Young Protectors Cindy P. and also to long-time friends joshua G., Robert B., & Alex A. for their super-generous $25 donations! And this makes Alex’s third, Robert’s forty-second, & joshua’s forty-fourth super-generous donations to this comic! Thank you so, so much Cindy, joshua, Robert and Alex! You rock!

Thank you all so much for your generous support!

So! Looks like Kyle is reaching out to his friends in his hour of need. What will he tell them? And how will they react?

Tune in next Saturday this Wednesday to find out! Hope to see you there! 😀

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  • SofiaT

    wow.

  • WarGoddess

    Kyle!!!!! Call out to them!!!

  • FLUKE.. I hoped he’d be who was contacted. A good friend.

    And I’m so glad to see that signal thing on the floor !

  • davefragments

    So it’s immediately after Duncan leaves…
    Great, The action is moving in minutes and not days or weeks.

  • CH

    A question bound to pique anyone’s interest.

  • A fireproof communicator!

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      Oh? And where do you think he kept it? 😛

      • silibub

        LOL, but it looks like it was in his pants before they got incinerated.

        • Yes, indeed!

        • SofiaT

          Points for observation skills 😀

    • mogoskier

      That make alot of sense why did none of use think about that>

      • Good question! It makes a lot of sense that he would have something like that, considering his powers. d’oh!

      • Saxon_Brenton

        Seriously, I have no idea. I facepalmed in embarrassment. A damage resistant communicator (either military spec or even superhuman fight scene spec) is so obvious. Alex must be shaking his head in astonishment at our collective obtuseness.

        • Jamie Dutton

          It was too logical, I suppose. We guessed just about everything else, though.

  • silibub

    Oh, he came prepared! And I’m glad he reached Fluke — it’s clear from the way he uses his ability that he cares a lot about helping people regardless of the cost to himself, so Kyle should be no exception. Best bro to the rescue, let’s go!

    • I was hoping he would reach Spooks.

      • silibub

        Spooky would have been good, too. As heart-wrenching as the current situation is, I’m glad the scene’s moving forward and we get to see more of Kyle’s teammates, so we can get a better handle on their personalities — for instance, of Kyle’s two best friends, which one would he rather reach in a time of crisis like this? Would Fluke or Spooky handle it better? Inquiring minds want to know!

        • You know, I think that the Commander would be understanding as well. She seems like a deeper character that I REALLY would like to know more about.

          • silibub

            Yes! I’m very curious about the Commander — it seems like she’s already done a lot for these guys by bringing them together after they had been rejected by the formal superhero teams. I want to know more about her background and why she would decide to lead a team like this! Any good leader is compassionate, so I trust Kyle will be able to turn to her if he needs to.

          • She does seem like such a good leader. If Alex decides to do any sort of ministory with her…that would be great.

          • silibub

            I’m looking forward to the bonus comic with Spooky and Commander that’s going to come with the book! Hopefully that gives us some new information.

          • Yesssssss. I forgot about that. See, now I want the book faster. DAMN the creation process and having to wait. XD!

          • silibub

            Shouldn’t we have the technology that would let art just materialize straight from the creators’ brains? It’s 2013 for god’s sake!

          • IF THAT WERE A THING MY COMIC WOULD BE DONE O_O!!!!

            Sorry. XD! I am having a creative road block. I have a character designed in my mind and written down with no issue…but…drawing…for some reason he won’t come to fruition.

          • Steven K.

            Ummm – I think there are just some things that a man needs to confide in another man.
            Well, unless you have a really good Lesbian friend.

  • Steven K.

    Really would have liked him to be able to find some clothes and get out of there on his own first then call for help – or at least be able to clothe himself then call. Why did this little tiny feature or request have to prove to be so stubbornly difficult.

  • SofiaT

    My heart aches as much here as it did in the last page.

    Can you hear the shame in his voice in the last panel?

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      Yes, I did. 🙁

    • silibub

      Unfortunately, yes. It must be hell hearing his friend so cheerful on the line. It’s easy to forget, after weeks of updates, that mere hours ago in comic time Kyle was celebrating with his friends and anticipating the big night.

      • SofiaT

        The way his face is obscured and shadowed and you can only see the bottom half too… The shame is palpable.

        Alex, was this in your notes or did Adam impovise here?
        I need to know whom to congratulate.

        • I ask for Kyle’s face in silhouette in that panel in my script, but the awesomeness is all Adam and Vero. You should congratulate them. 🙂

          • silibub

            *throws confetti over all of you*

          • I am in my mind. Does that count?

          • SofiaT

            Well, congrats to all three then! Great page, excellent panel.

          • *applauds, stands up*

            It’s only me, Alex, Adam, and Vero, but I’m certain the others would join me if I keep clapping long enough.

          • Joined *standing avotion*

          • Yay, Danish! My hands were starting to get tired.

          • *joins the standing ovation*

          • Derkins

            Their awareness of how to enhance and work with the script is pretty special.

          • The emotion came through so cleanly AND painfully. Great panel.

      • Steven K.

        See – thinking of that makes me cry as well.

        • silibub

          I know, I was doing okay but now I’m all emotional again >:'(

    • Steven K.

      I know – mine too. I dread this sort of thing as well. I don’t want Kyle to have to experience such shame in front of others – I’m sure he has enough internalized already. I’m a vote for anything that saves Kyle even MORE pain, or doesn’t add to what he has already been through and what he is certainly going through now psychologically and emotionally. More would be totally cruel at this point.

      • SofiaT

        I don’t think Kyle has anything to be ashamed of and I don’t think his friends will think that either. The shame is in his head.

        He can get by with a little help from his friends, I’m sure. The Beatles said so.

        • silibub

          I’m so hoping the team is supportive and Kyle gets multiple assurances that this isn’t his fault. He’s barely eighteen, how was he supposed to recognize and avoid Duncan’s manipulation?

        • Steven K.

          Yeah – I would agree with you – I don’t think he has anything to be ashamed of either, but yes I think he probably thinks so – it’s so sad. I wish he could literally “put on” a little dignity before getting aid, so he at least wouldn’t have to explain the naked part. Would that little bone be too much to throw to me (no jokes please about wanting bones thrown in my direction – that’s another discussion).

    • Oh my god, I can and that makes it worse. I know that feeling, and I can relate to him on less of a superpowered apocalyptic level and more of an emotional level. I have had to make that kind of call and it is a terrible feeling.

      • silibub

        Yes. Exactly. I’ve been there, too.

        • It is truly embarrassing. I don’t think there is such a thing as a walk of shame. But that call that you have to make…

          • silibub

            At least when you do the walk it’s on your terms, and you’re getting yourself out of there. Needing to call someone to come help you when you’re in a vulnerable state like this, though…hrgh.

          • See, I am the kind of person who holds my head high even in a situation like the so called “Walk of Shame.” But needing to call for help…

    • Derkins

      You totally can. It’s not surprising Kyle is likely blaming himself for being too trusting. There are so many different things for him to feel awful about at this point, and then having to go an explain to his friends that, partially due to his own gullibility, the world is going to maybe come to an end, is just adding insult to injury. He’s definitely going to need trustworthy allies and good friends to get through all this. We should be entering that part of the story about now, anyway.

      • SofiaT

        The coming out of the closet part alone must be an incredible difficult thing to do.

        Now he has to do it (and not by choice or on his own terms) and he has to explain/relive a very personal and embarassing experience as well.

        Plus, warn them of an impending demon invasion on earth… that was -partly- facilitated through him. I don’t blame him for it, mind you, and I hope his teammates won’t either. But it’s obvious he’ll be blaming himself. 🙁

        • Derkins

          I’m actually really curious whether he will tell them/anyone about his relationship with Duncan, or if he’ll just keep it inside for a while. It’s bound to come out eventually, and no, it won’t be on his terms…

          • SofiaT

            Kyle is a hero. He’s honest, he sees the best in people (part of what led him to date Duncan) and he will always put the well-being of others above his own. I reckon he’ll tell them everything. It won’t be easy, but he will.

          • Derkins

            You know, now that I think about it, you’re totally right. I’m always going on about heros anyway, but I guess I was thinking Kyle was so secretive before, I was having a hard time imagining him just coming right out about his relationship with a male super villain. I’m still not sure everyone is going to know right away, but I can certainly see him at least telling Paul, especially since he was asking if he’s alone, and the guy will likely need to come pick him up and bring him some clothes. But assuming he’d withhold information is sort of short sighted, thinking about it on a more grand scale. As you point out, Kyle is the hero. And at least metaphorically, the whole point of the hero going underground/into the belly of the whale, and passing through trials which take his physical self out of the equation, requiring him to draw on his hidden/unnamed strength (it is a metaphor of death, and re-birth through transcendence)– is that the there is a death to the hero’s ego, which is stripped away, thereby exposing the naked truth. Though it’s painful, it leads the hero to a more pure existence. I admit it’s kinda heartbreaking watching sweet Kyle go through it, but it’s forcing him to face facts he would have otherwise gone on suppressing.

        • Yep, Sofia… exactly.

          Hiii… ummm… mom? I’d like you to meet, Mike.

          That just doesn’t seem so bad when you put it in your larger context.

    • I cried. We gays do that do that sometimes.

      • It’s Chris!!!! *hugs* Missed you!!!

      • SofiaT

        We people do that sometimes. 😛

        • Heh, heh, heh… good, then I’m not alone in my sea of not-gay tears. 😛

          • SofiaT

            How can you tell if a tear is gay or non-gay I wonder… you check to see if it sparkles? if it has a good fashion sense? if it likes Barbra Streisand? *tries hard to think of more stereotypes*

          • OKAY:

            1) If you hear Judy Garland tunes while crying? Those are VERY gay tears (that one was free).

            2) Qualifier: As of the current page. If your current tear is for Duncan? That is NOT a gay tear of any sort.

            Class dismissed 😛

  • Chibi

    aww poor thing …… what will he tell them…. x.x ….. oh I hope he doesn’t try to leave the Young Protectors

  • silibub

    (What game has sound effects like “squak!” and “oink!”? Is Fluke playing Angry Birds?)

    • davefragments

      soccer or some sort of football

      • silibub

        Oh, I just now saw that on the other computer screen! But I think the sounds are coming from his phone.

    • mogoskier

      Now I want yp angry birds

  • Oh no. 🙁 I just want to give him all of the hugs.
    HA!! Also, sorry, but the BF interrupted a dungeon to come over and view the page. Then grumped away because now he has to feel the pain of WAITING. HA!!!

    • LOL!

      Welcome to our little webcomics world, my friend. 😀

      • He is cursing slightly. I think he’s mad at me for showing him this comic XD!!!

        • AMW Comics. Bringing lovers closer together one slowly-released page at a time.

          • SofiaT

            LOL!

          • Oh.
            OH GOD DAMMIT.
            I wish you hadn’t pointed that out. I am now wondering as well. Ferk.

          • SofiaT

            I go for Michael. Just because I like the sound of it 😛

          • It fits.
            Any confirmation for us, Alex?

          • It is none of those three. Although I like the first two as names quite a bit. 🙂

          • The response answers and is yet enigmatic. Thumbs up to you, Alex.

          • SofiaT

            Alex M. Woolfson. International man of mystery.

          • The next 007. Minus the British accent.
            QUICK! Alex, put on British airs and master the art of seduction on those whiley bad guys.

          • Jamie Dutton

            Hmm, wouldn’t that be “Interdimensional man of mystery?”

          • Jamie Dutton

            Martin, Malcolm, Magnus?

          • Morgan? Mackenzie, Mason, Micah.. Moriaty, Maximillian?

          • Feverfew_M

            Moriarty! That’s fitting! Head-canon accepted until debunked by author. 😛

          • Alex… Merlinus… Woolfson

            WHAT? Is there a limit to the geekiness? No one told me?

          • This should be your new slogan. If I could make banners, I would create one for your page. It is such an apt description.

            He is still grumbling, by the way. Something along the lines of “this is why I don’t…stupid…” I’m not sure. lol. He’s moping and it’s adorable. I’m tempted to take a picture.

          • silibub

            Tell him his disgruntlement is softening the emotional blow of this page, at least for me!

          • It is for me, too, because it is just adorable.

          • FWIW, two straight husbands have let me know they enjoy my work because certain types of scenes will immediately lead to surprise nookie in their day. So, you know, there are always a silver lining somewhere…

          • Well… yes, see now he doesn’t have to wonder. Though right now he is not in the mood to do anything but grumble. *wants cuddles*

          • davefragments

            The stories are romances and are about people. I like that.

          • They’re something I can certainly relate to and very believable.

          • Hot scenes give inspiration and sad scenes makes you in a cuddly mood which then might lead to more. I’m sure the ‘what ever partner’ of the reader doesn’t mind 😉

          • Unless you get them into the comic and they start to grumble and just go back to playing ESO instead of cuddling. :U bah!

          • LOL.. maybe it will come later when the effect of the page.. or waiting for a new page sets in 😛
            It’s about how you use that. Turn it into an advantage..

            Him: Why is waiting so long?
            You: Come over here, we can wait together *initiates nookie*

          • I like this plan. I think I will try this when the pages lighten up a little.

          • In my experience, barring illness or bereavement, the temporal distance of a guy being not in the mood to being in the mood can almost always be measured in less than three minutes of consistent sensual massage from someone he likes. Now, I can’t say it holds true for all guys, but I’ve been surprised myself at how totally not into sex I can be and then a few well-placed touches later even while I’m continually being focused on other things, it all changes.

            I’ve sometimes wondered if that was a specific factor of guy-sexuality or if it’s just my particular cohort…

          • Not just you xD

          • I don’t know, but I will certainly try. I don’t have to interrupt his game. He can keep playing. But I certainly thank you for the advice. His grumbling is cute but I want cuddles. >_<

          • silibub

            Tell him straight out he is obligated to cuddle you in your time of emotional need! He read the comic, he knows how critical the situation is, lol!

          • SofiaT

            Damn right!

          • Damn straight! He said that too, so I guess he is working through the emotional turmoil that is TYP. 😛

          • Heh. Not really advice. LOL. Just something I’ve found surprising about being me that I’ve been curious how universal it is…

          • Something that works for you could certainly work for me. Well, maybe not everything, certainly, but things like this. Honestly, I was just going to leave him be until he coped with the comic waiting on his own. I have changed my mind and you helped. A gentlemanly hat tip to you, good sir.

          • AMW Comics. Bringing lovers closer together one slowly-released personal sharing moment at a time. 🙂

          • Haha! Well, some slight back rubs and a well placed kiss and he is sitting next to me. I got my cuddles! 😀

          • FTW! 😀

          • SofiaT

            New advice column on The Daily Planet. “Ask Alex”.

          • This should be a thing. Just saying. 😛

          • silibub

            Success! *high five*

          • He gave me a high five. I think he’s amused with the comments. I’ll try to convince him to come on. I type as he’s shaking his head into my shoulder. o_o

          • SofiaT

            I just like getting back rubs. I’m like a damn dog asking to be petted. My ex used to use massages as an excuse to get me in the mood but he was too impatient and half the time ended up pissing me off for stopping the massage part of the seduction too early 😛

          • I love back rubs. After long days, I get them. When we first started dating, we were sitting in bed and I had my laptop out and was dicking around on Wow and he came and just started rubbing my back. He is very good at it, too. And distracting me during back rubs… I have yet to wipe a Raid but I am waiting for it.

          • silibub

            Not that I can speak for all women, but generally it works for me, too. (Although if I’m really not in the mood, nothing will defrost me.)

          • Yep, I think for me what surprises me is that, barring some issue with the other person or illness, I always seem to be able to be “defrosted” regardless of mood. It’s just a matter of how much positive energy the other person wants to put into it.

            Frankly, it works even when I’m sick. Just takes a bit longer.

          • silibub

            Huh! I wonder if it has anything to do with one’s general attitude toward repeated requests? Like, I find that if I have to firmly say, “Really, no” more than a couple times, I start feeling really aggrieved and that’s probably why I can’t be persuaded after a certain point. Maybe I’m just more easily rankled than you!

          • Well, it’d be quite different if I actually said “No” and they continued. Then I can assure you that the physical response they’d arouse in me would be considerably less pleasant… for them.

            But if it’s persistence when I’m giving a neutral/not-into-it/distracted space—if it’s clearly well-meant and lusty seduction—well, then, it’s surprising what a difference two or three minutes can make…

          • silibub

            Ha, that makes more sense, then — I misinterpreted a little. Starting from a totally neutral or distracted place, nice massages have about a 99.9% chance of success!

          • Feisty Alex. I hate to detract from your statement (which aptly lays out your boundaries and our levels of comfort with touching) but that was a very feisty comment.

          • Ha! I’ve been called many things, but “feisty” may be a first… 😉

          • SIRCEA! I SAID NO!! (yeah I’d like to see that). 🙂

          • silibub

            “Sircea! I said no!” Silibub growled, swatting her away. A pig flew by the window, then turned back and stared incredulously.

            “There’s no way this is happening,” it muttered.

            Seconds later, the pig woke up with a start. What a bizarre dream! First the wings and the flying, and then Silibub actually refused Sircea’s advances? Some things are too crazy even for the subconscious.

          • That kind of thing works on me depending on what is wrong. Sometimes, I can’t defrost unless I’m cuddled and venting. Other times it just takes a back rub.

            It does not work when I am sick though. The last time I was sick I had severe vertigo and any sort of movement, even if it was just him getting out of bed made me vomit. So cuddles would not be good.

          • *Ring ring ring…*

            “Yes, hello? No she’s not available just now.. yes, can you spell that? S-i-r-c-e-a… very good. Yes defrosting later? Certainly ma’am I’ll give her that message. Thank you….”

            “Click”

          • Okayyyyy… this three minute thing you mention. Is it like 1 minute = one page, and then you wait — in frustration — for the “sensual massage” to continue on Saturday, in serial time, for the NEXT sensual minute/page.

            Just curious? ‘Cause now I have an image of Alex at the Yaoi911 studios, somewhat worked up, hollering at some poor artist, “I DON’T CARE WHAT COLOR OF BLUE YOU PAINT THE BALLS… JUST HURRY!!!!”

            Well, you know? 🙂

          • There is soooo a diabolical laugh buried in that post somewhere.

    • Welcome, Grasshopper. I’ll explain fridge magnet rotation and synthetic human refractory periods to you in future pages. It’s a glorious thing, but it’s best for BFs to start small and grow their geekiness in baby steps… (LOL)… so as not to scare them. 😀

      Best,
      ChrisD

  • TwilightDreamer

    *phew!* oh thank goodness….I knew there had to be a way for him to get back, but still….
    and here comes the heartache rushing straight back….oh Kyle… :(…how’s he ever going to get through this?

    • I’m glad but at the same time. T_T

      • TwilightDreamer

        Yeah I mean…they’ll want to know what happened to their friend…but how’s he meant to explain it?

  • My heart aches a little more than on the last page. He was so small there but now he has to call for help, naked, alone and in a burned building. He has to explain what happened. He has to. But the pain it will cause him will be overwhelming.

    • vyloran

      I felt the exact same way. I had a lot of empathy for him, sitting alone there. But somehow hearing him calling to Fluke, knowing he needs help and worrying that the others would be there and might hear. It broke my heart. I can imagine the gamut of emotions he’s feeling, especially shame. He’s already hurt and vulnerable, and now he’s risking the rejection of the only family he really has.

      • Steven K.

        I KNOW! EXACTLY T.T all over again. Seems like it just won’t stop.

      • I want to think that Spooky will come to his aid if there is backlash within the superfamily. I really like Spooks and I think that there is something deeper that happened between him and PP and that he will be able to come to Kyle’s aid.

        • vyloran

          I get the feeling that any of his team would do the same also. I think they could easily set aside personal feelings to help Kyle through this. That’s what family does and they are most definitely a family.

  • It’s the way his hand looks like its shaking in the first panel that gets me.

  • Seeing last panel still makes me sad. Just knowing that seeing his full face would probably be awfull right now. The effect of this panel, it’s like he’s hiding his shame and tears, even to us readers ;_;

    .. but seeing that he brought his emergency communicator makes me relieved. Being prepared and not going anywhere without it. Thank god for something this fire-proof!

  • JustStoppingBye

    I’m calling Kyle/Paul right now. I don’t care. Yes, I’m crazy. What of it?

    KP? Kyaul? Hot Fluke? Hot Fluke it is!

    • Hikaru Takemori

      With a name like that I’m almost tempted to jump ships :).

      • SofiaT

        Et tu, Brute?!

  • I glad that not all this page is sad. Good to see Fluke again, and that ‘Oink’ sound implimented on a soccer game gave me a smile.
    I’m waiting for next pages and Fluke going: You WHAT? – or something like that. Now’s the time to be a friend in need, and not to have karma interfeer with discretion.

    • Klaus

      The sound comes from the handheld gadget. He is playing a game on one gadget while watching a football match on another. Let’s hope he had rotten luck with the game.

  • THANK you, Alex. For giving Kyle (and us) a way to go home without having to walk naked. Kyle bringing a communicator is way better than me hoping there was an emergency phone in the building.

    Why didn’t we think of that? Or maybe none did because we thought everything he brought was burned to ashes.

    Now I wonder if Anni knew he had it, or he really just showed no care and left him there with nothing. Anni already know a lot about the group.

    • silibub

      Hm, at this point I’m not giving Duncan any credit. If he knew about the communicator, and decided it was all right to leave Kyle up there because he knew someone would come get him, you’d think he would have cared enough to leave him a change of clothes to mitigate his embarrassment. So unless that trunk has some pants in it, no points for consideration from me!

      • Yeah.. that’s what I’m pretty much thinking too. Even if he knows about the communicator, no points for consideration.

      • Steven K.

        I SOOOOOOOO AGREE!

    • Even if he suspected, he never bothered to ask to find out for sure.

  • SofiaT

    Ok. Who thinks the whole team will be very understanding? *Raises both hands* Tsunami may take a while to wrap his head around it but I don’t think he’ll react badly.

    The Commander’s reaction is what I fear the most and not because of the “you’re gay?!?” part but the “you went on a date with the enemy and didn’t let me know about it?!?” part. But she may surprise me pleasantly.

    • I don’t think Tsunami would and maybe Flyboy would be confused but I think the others would be amazing. Or at least, I hope.

      • SofiaT

        I can see Flyboy being confused or maybe intrigued even but definitely not reacting badly.

        And I’m convinced Tsunami is deep in the closet and needs to get out asap -maybe this will help him?

        • Maybe! He does remind me of my closeted step-brother.

        • LimpBiskit

          Ol’ Tsunami’s so far in that closet that he gets his mail from a goatman wearing a scarf…

        • Acintyabedhabedhadasa

          I think Flyboy thinks (thanks to that online porn scene) that his teammates are secretly all having gay sex together.

          • silibub

            “It’s true! I saw it on the internet!”

          • Why should he be any different than the rest of us at 15. HA!

        • Don’t know Tsunami’s story, but in my experience when people know, deep down, you are good people — well, you can still get a bad first reaction (true that the worst sometimes comes from closet cases), but give them time to see you are the same guy they liked before and often they come around. So I agree, it may take a minute, but I so want to believe his team will get there for him.

          IMHO, real homophobes don’t get super-hero pins. 😛

          • SofiaT

            When my kid sister first told me she was gay my knee-jerk reaction was “get outta here, you’re kidding me!” -and I want to believe I’m far from being a homophobe.

            It may shock you a bit if you haven’t seen it coming but then you get over it. She’s still my little sister… and I don’t want her to be sexually active with anyone, guy or girl, till she’s thirty. Or maybe forty. Yes, forty is better.

          • Ahahahahaha… ummmm… I… (um, how to break this to you) well… erm… this whole web-comic is about gay super-dudes…

            *THUMP*

            *hollers*

            Sofia! Sofia! Is there anyone is near that can check on her… I may have shocked her… all this time I just assumed (no don’t make the obvious ass-u-me joke) that she knew about this comic and its rampant gayness.

            Awwwwwwww…. I feel awful now.

          • SofiaT

            Nooooo! Get outta here! :O

    • You’re right, it’s the Commander’s reaction that’s the biggest unknown here and the most gut twisting. So many possible reactions.

    • davefragments

      I don’t think the entire team is going to be understanding. Some were barely tolerating the funky porn. It’s not the gay part I think that they would be worried about it’s the sneaking away with the enemy and then being used. That’s bad judgment.

      • Steven K.

        Under all the details of the circumstances, I (and I might be the only one – so be it) still don’t think Kyle’s judgement was all that bad – just a little naive. Actually, I don’t blame him for his decision one atomic bit.

        • davefragments

          still, once that portal opens, Kyle is somewhat responsible.

          • Steven K.

            Kyle NEVER consented to be bound and used as a transport to Hell. (And how could he have EVER predicted something like THAT, or the deal with Laampros, Laampros himself, such a wild parentage, or a potential demon invasion – even if he had remained more skeptical of Duncan?)

        • Hikaru Takemori

          I agree wholeheartedly.

      • I respectfully disagree, depending on the before or after.

        Sure it’s “bad judgement” in hind sight, but it’s also just 18 year-old naive judgement. Thank all the heavens that I was not super-powered at 18, because I made a few whopping bad calls — my brain shut down and my penis made some judgements that would make St. Kyles look pretty darn innocent for a naive 18 year old virgin.

        So, there is no question, now, that circumstances have left all of them with a good bit of cleaning up to do, but the kid thought he was finally going to get some good loving… so for us, knowing what we know now, sure it seems like “bad judgement,” but for Kyle, looking forward to what was going to be a dream of an 18th birthday (all before hand), I think all I can call it is “terribly wishful thinking.” Sad stuff.

        Either way, you can tell he feels like the worst guy in the world. Oh… and BTW dad seems to be a demon? Ho-hum.

    • silibub

      The Commander seems levelheaded enough to deal with the situation appropriately — she may give Kyle a talking-to later, and might be angry about Kyle’s seeming lack of judgment, but I think she’ll handle it in the way that’s best for Kyle and the team as a whole. Her flipping out wouldn’t accomplish anything good, and could divide the team if they feel like they have to take sides, since Fluke and Spooky are Kyle’s best friends.

      I wonder if Tsunami’s really closeted or homophobic, or if it was the shock of seeing his friends depicted in an explicitly sexual way that freaked him out and not so much the gay angle.

      • I think, outside the main two characters, that the Commander is my next favorite character. We are totally giving her all of this depth and we barely know her. 😛

        • SofiaT

          I like her snark and dead-pan delivery.

          And being the only woman in a team of young, hormonal men (leading them no less) can’t be easy.

          I went to Ireland with some friends a few years ago, on a roadtrip to Galway for St. Patrick’s day. Have you ever shared a hostel room with 5 guys? It’s. A pain.

          • I work conventions. I have shared a room with 8 girls and I have shared a room with 4 guys. It is certainly something. I don’t recommend that first one. We were all on the guest relations team and had some… friction in the hotel room that was evident to our guests.

          • SofiaT

            Bitchiness galore?

          • Yeah. It was so special. Someone used someone’s toothpaste and how could they its sensodine and its 6 dollars a tube and what the fuck you bitch get your ass off my bed.
            That’s how that went.

          • Her snark and dead-pan attitude is a lot like my personality. That might be why I like her…

          • Steven K.

            I should be so lucky – well, I’d probably just end up being frustrated out of my mind. That’s what happened in junior high in the locker room and in gym class and swimming.

          • Golly Sofia… that’s just ’cause the five guys were probably cranky at having to clean up after you all the time… right?

            I mean girls are so messy.

          • SofiaT

            I’ll have to send you a photo from our room in Galway. Clothes, shoes, wallets, dirty socks, green hats and fake leprechaun beards all on the floor -none of it was my stuff.

            But the worst part was that the room smelled like barracks.

          • HA. I so believe you.

        • silibub

          Yeah, for knowing next to nothing about her except what we can extrapolate from her dialogue, she’s pretty intriguing and likable! Plus, in any story with a mostly male cast, I’m always extra-interested in the ladies and their characterization.

          • Jamie Dutton

            And knowing how great Alex is with writing female characters, I’m betting she’s amazing!

          • silibub

            I’m very glad I came to this comic after reading Artifice, because after seeing the amazing job Alex did writing Maven, I’m totally confident he’ll do justice to Sircea and the Commander.

          • I read Artifice on a whim. I followed a link on Starfighter and was pleasantly surprised. It was something I had seen before but hadn’t been interested in. I don’t know why, looking back.

          • And now that risk is paying off in extra cuddles. I should include that in the ads…

          • AMWComics. Now with free cuddles.

          • FREE CUDDLES!!!!!

            *stampede seen cresting yon far hill*

          • ..It’s complicated – and a bringer of nookies.
            or
            You want nookies? It’s complicated.

          • LOL

          • It’s complicated. Now with extra Snu Snu.

      • bobbyjoeguy

        I think Tsunami really is homophobic and maybe even closeted… at least it would make the story more interesting if he had to overcome that obstacle for the sake of the team.

        • silibub

          It certainly would be realistic in that not everyone is open-minded and accepting of homosexuality, and it would explain why Kyle isn’t out to all his teammates (assuming he isn’t already).

    • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

      I think there’s going to be yelling and anger. Then thwarting and heroics with revenge and retribution. Then some more yelling and talking and finally there will be talking and understanding and acceptance.

      • Steven K.

        That’s what worries me – one thing Kyle does NOT need right now – or even a bit later – is yelling and anger. Unless it’s from him toward Duncan.

        • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

          I think they won’t waste too much time with “What the ever loving heck were you thinking dating a supervillain?” when the world is being threatened. I think they’ll save most of it for later.

          • davefragments

            when the giant demon with fire bursting from each hand announces he’s now ruler of the world and everyone is his slave — I think the other Young Protectors will be quite disturbed and quite “What the heck did you do?” for quite a number of hours…

            How about “Don’t do that again!” followed by various epithets that aren’t said in polite company.

          • Maria White

            Kyle: Guys… this is my… dad… Lampros…
            The team: O.O
            Lampros: I WILL CONQUER YOU FOOLISH MORTALS AND CONSUME YOUR-
            Kyle: DAD! What did I tell you?

            Lampros: Pizza…. *pouts*
            Kyle: *sighs angrily* Yeah… this isn’t awkward….

          • stickfigurefairytales

            I don’t know…people aren’t usually too rational when they’re upset. I could easily see a lot of the team blowing up at Kyle (metaphorically, since Kyle is the one with fire powers).

    • Steven K.

      So far from what I’ve sen of the Commander, I hope she doesn’t find out exactly what happened with the literally (ultra-physically) engaging with the enemy part. She really seemed to me to be hard-nosed and, forgive me, bitchy. In any case, though, I’m still hoping she turns out to be Lesbionic.

      • silibub

        Aww, I think she just takes her work seriously, and tolerates only so much horsing around and adolescent male antics before she wants to get down to business. I’m not saying everyone on the team needs to know the nitty-gritty details of what happened between Kyle and Duncan — that’s the kind of thing that should stay between close and trusted confidantes — but I’ve got my fingers crossed that she’ll handle the situation well.

        I’d actually like to see her with Spooky — I like the combination of tough girl and goofy guy in pairings!

        • SofiaT

          You think Spooky is goofy? I always thought he was the most suave of the team.

          • silibub

            Goofy in the sense that he’s lighthearted and doesn’t take himself too seriously! I’m sure he can be as suave as he needs to when there’s occasion for it, haha.

          • Focus! S-I-R-C-E-A!

          • silibub

            OH MY GOD, CHRIS. *cackling* And here I was proud of myself for managing to shut up about my Sircea thirst for once.

          • I think that he is friendly and a bit goofy but serious when he needs to be.

          • SofiaT

            Ah. For me “goofy” means “awkward in a cute kinda way”. And while I think Spooky is cute, I also think he’s as far from awkward as it gets 😀

          • I think awkward and kinda cute too and I think he likes to feign that. He is intelligent, cunning, sly and goofy. And I think the goofy is to cover those last three traits.

          • SofiaT

            Hm… so Clark Kent kinda goofy then?

          • Yes! Minus the fake identity.

          • Hmmm… I think you called me goofy on a previous page… 😀

          • SofiaT

            Did I? 😉

          • Ohhhhhhhh… Spooky goofy? Clark Kent goofy (with our without the fake identity?), what goofy exactly?

            *chris leans in and cups ear*

            Do tell Sofia… it just us here, and I promise not to tell a soul…

            *sincere look with irresistibly wide eyes*

          • silibub

            *pokes* Face it, you’re adorkable.

          • Ha! You are kind of goofy. But like with Spooks, I think it is to hide your true self.

          • YES. THAT.

          • So agree. He makes it all look so easy.

          • Double Yum to that!

          • I agree. Spooky has the kind of self-confidence that is so incredibly appealing. I always fell hard for those types.

          • SofiaT

            It depends. I find goofiness attractive too. Depends on the guy I guess. Self-confidence sometimes translates to royal jerkness.

          • Totally true. I think it’s the ‘confidence’ that allows the ‘goofiness’ to be so completley charming to me, the two in that character work for me (ahem) hand in hand. 😀

        • Steven K.

          Yep – I agree with you about the “nitty-gritty details”. ut I think if she’s not god at tolerating (actually rather post-adolescent) later teenage male antics, she shouldn’t have signed up to lead a team with that particular make-up. However, if they are all either gay or outcasts of one-type or another, and she is indeed Lesbian, then it would make a little more sense. I’d still love to see her, against all of HER better judgement, fall in love and get entangled with the P.P. Then, whatever grief (hopefully little, but if…) she gave to Kyle, he could kick it right back at her (actually even more so, given her position and greater maturity level and experience). But love is love – sometimes we just don’t choose those things or the subjects of our affection – it just ….happens, whether we like it or not or the circumstances are best or not. The person I’ve fallen in love with greater and more deeply than anyone else I have ever met was happily partnered. If I could have avoided those feelings, I would have – but he was everything I always hoped and wished for in a guy – my ideal of the perfect man in every way and the closest to my ideal and a perfect human being as I have ever met. But someone else won that lottery or holy grail – won the man of MY dreams. If it were my choice to fall for him or not, I would have chosen not to, as it has proved one of the most painful things ever.

          • silibub

            I see — I think it’s not so much that she can’t tolerate the antics, but rather that she’s the one in charge and has to rein them in regardless of her level of patience.

            I’m not sure there would be any need, story-wise, for her to fall for Sircea, unless our villainous duo needs to seduce and exploit a telepath for whatever reason, and Commander happens to like the ladies. Given her somewhat flirtatious back-and-forth with Spooky, though, my bet is that she’s into guys. And I’m definitely hoping Kyle never feels like he has to get back at his team leader for anything, but rather feels supported by her, even if what’s happened makes her angry at first.

            My hope is that, since Commander is a bit older and more mature, she’ll understand that love and especially infatuation are pretty uncontrollable emotions. Kyle’s so young and inexperienced, it makes sense that he would get swept up in the vision of romance Duncan offered him. If she’s as rational and serious about her leadership as I think she is, she’ll take that into consideration (and even if she isn’t privy to the whole seduction story, she’ll understand how Kyle could be manipulated by someone much older and wilier).

          • Steven K.

            Yeah – you are right, especially in hoping for what you mention in your second paragraph. And I didn’t think there’d be a need, story-wise, for my idea of the C. falling for P.P. – just an interesting circumstance that could happen IF she happened to like women, and it would just be a non-rational love thing. And – If we, just for the sake of argument, for a moment, postulated a lesbionic leaning was the case for her, well then, P.P. is the only other main female character in the story, so she’d certainly fall within the realm of available and likely personages for the C. to get involved with. In her exchange with Spooky, I’m not sure if he was being flirtatious or just trying to rile her feathers (that would have made even more sense if she was Lesbian – he would be making even more of a teasing or ribbing comment when he mentioned liking more mature women, etc.). Also, I didn’t think her response was flirtatious back – she actually seemed a bit irritated to me. I could be wrong of course, as sometimes happens 😉 It’s too late and I’m too tired at the moment to go back and check. So,for the moment, I’ll defer to your judgement in the matter.

    • Marcus Dionte Scott

      The gay thing is not the issue here. The issue stems from the fact that Kyle, thanks to his temerity, has put his friends/allies~~the WORLD~~at risk. He has opened up floodgates that cannot be closed and there are consequences. Is Kyle a flamer in every sense of the word? Yes, and eventually they all will get used to that. But basically, he betrayed the team and HIMSELF by allowing himself to be led by his naivite and foolhardy hormones. So, fuck your goddamned queerness! What are you gonna do to set things right?!

      • Acintyabedhabedhadasa

        He had no reason to suspect that any action on his part might lead to a demonic apocalypse.

        • I often fear that my sexual relations will start the apocalypse. Is this just me?
          Yes?
          Oh. >_>
          <_<

          • Steven K.

            Hmmm…I assume the bf is out of computer-screen range?

          • Nope! 😀 Still cuddling. He is chortling a little…

          • Steven K.

            I sure need one of those.. The one I thought might FINALLY be it is not returning my calls or messages lately. I fear maybe he’s found someone else instead (super sad).

          • *hugs* You will find someone! Just have a little faith and a lot of patience!

            …….do I need to reverse that? Lot of faith and little patience?

          • Steven K.

            Thanks – I’m tryin’.

          • Just know that if you need people to talk to, we are here for you.

          • *hugs!* I am sorry. I hope that isn’t the case, Steven.:(

      • Steven K.

        Hmmmm..in the gay community – and maybe outside of it (maybe moreso?) – “flamer” is used in a very specific sense to denote a very stereotypically-mannered (consciously or unconsciously) and sometimes also effeminate gay man. I don’t think that description – and thus epithet – fits Kyle much at all, and certainly not “in every sense of the word (only in his “human-torch” qualities). I think THAT is one of the biggest mis-characterizations I’ve read here. And I actually find some of the rest of the comment a bit overly harsh and offensive as well, though we are all certainly entitled to an opinion. But why such a hater? And dude, if Kyle really was in the habit of allowing himself to be led by his “foolhardy hormones” , then he wouldn’t have resisted even masturbating for 6 years (that alone in THOSE PARTICULAR years is a super-human and heroic accomplishment in itself), and would have left a trail of burned down abandoned buildings over all those years. And you are getting in a pretty tricky area when you start assigning value judgements to biological processes and chemicals such as hormones.

        • Marcus Dionte Scott

          My use of the word flamer was meant to be a double entendre. I, as a full flamer myself, apologize if you take issue with my comment. I see nothing offensive in my statement, though it seems that it was conceived as harsh; Good.

          I never said he was in the habit of being led my his foolhardy hormones. I said that his being led astray by said foolhardy hormones (in this situation), got him into trouble. It’s not tricky at all though; all one has to do is look at his past; he was abandoned by his foster parents, and felt that his willingness to give into his desire was the cause of harm, both past and future. Not to mention that he had to deal with his sexuality, coming to terms with who he is. As a gay man myself, these two issues (seeing pleasure as harmful and struggling with sexuality) leaves many people confused and torn. This also leads to insecurity, and he saw Duncan as an escape from all that. THAT is what triggered his foolhardiness; in other words, his reckless behavior was brought out by a desire to find freedom and acceptance in the embrace of another who seemed so inviting, ignoring the fact that trusting such an individual can lead to tragedy. As a hero, he must learn when to listen to his heart and when to use his head.

          • Steven K.

            Kyle had a really good record of not acting in a foolhardy way. I don’t see his decision to act the way he did with Duncan to be nearly as foolhardy as you deem it. Sure, with HINDSIGHT we can see it as being so. What if nothing bad had come of it. What if Duncan had indeed reformed and they had ended up having a beautiful and loving mutual relationship? What if, under Kyle’s influence and love, Duncan would have started to do manty things to slowly but steadily try to make up for all the negative things he had done in the past? I think the consequences of Kyle’s actions or decisions could have just as likely, at least theoretically, been good ones. It’s easy to throw around unethical or immoral in hindsight once we already know the consequences. If the consequences had been positive – if Kyle’s decision to have affectionate relations with Duncan had ended up actually reforming him and had ended up instead actually saving the world from him – by preventing him from further negative actions due the love and positive influence of a good young man – would Kyle’s decision and actions had been seen as just as immoral and unethical? As it turns out, his actions proved to be of poor judgement, but were they really unethical and immoral before-the-facr?

          • You refer to Kyle’s,

            “…desire to find freedom and acceptance in the embrace of another…”

            Indeed, that is a powerful lure, one used by a powerful, older and calculating man to manipulate a young young man/boy of no experience. There is no question that the stakes of Kyle’s naive mistakes are much greater than those of yours or mine, but you also quote that,

            “As a hero, he must learn when to listen to his heart and when to use his head.”

            Super-hero or normal human we learn by making mistakes. We learn not to touch the hot stove by doing it, once, and then learning from that painful mistake (insert learning laundry list of human growth events here).

            So, sadly, Kyle wanted something badly and through excitement and Hong Kong and rose petals and fine wine and a lot of really sappy sweet talk he learned a lot about human nature at it’s absolute worst.

            But I’d still say to your point above, these were all first time, hard learned, lessons. Should he, as suggested, become the world’s greatest super-hero and save us all… I wonder how long, if ever, he will completely trust another human being. Because, despite this mistake, he’s learned several lessons here about love and trust and some of them are quite negative and very sad.

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            You are right. He has a lot to learn. That is an absolutely true statement. But I would argue that when you don the garb of a superhero(ine), you do so under the assumption that you already have the experience, or at least the wisdom, not to put your self or others in dire predicaments. If he were not truly ready, it would have been best to just keep him on the sidelines, as it were. Because a hero who cannot follow basic logic and stay away from the “bad guy”, be it romantically or otherwise, then I ask again, as a hero, what good is such a person to anyone? I should be able to count on a hero to save me, not to make unfathomable blunders.

          • Very fairly said… However, here are some additional thoughts.

            I see two types of responses to this type of genre view point — one is “the dramaturgical pov of the super-hero genre” and the other is simply “humans grow and learn.”

            Okay, super-kid (still has powers) but not his “hero” pin or the official spandex. Also, he doesn’t know enough to have the infallible judgement it sounds like is being suggested as a requirement for “hero”.

            Still, in THIS story, even without his official hero-pin and spandex, he is still gay and, in THIS story, he’s still a very young gay man with a (quoting you again) universal…

            “…desire to find freedom and acceptance in the embrace of another…”

            Thus the events would have proceeded apace even without Kyle properly being labeld, “hero.” As it seems he is still the only character we have been told who has the power to break down the walls of ‘blood and pain’ to get Duncan to Laampros and thus, being an even more isolated good kid, he just as naively goes on the date (for the reasons of love quoted above) — a date for which it seems he alone was selected for (maybe as much as six years ago) so Duncan can get the required ‘full-trust orgasm’ required for the spell and slam his hand into the kid’s forehead and say, “Shiggy Flimflamfloom Bibbidybobbidyboo”, whereupon Kyle is bound and off to hell they romp, BEDKNOBS AND BROOMSTICKS style.

            So Kyle, “being an official hero or not,” would not have changed events in THIS story. So I don’t know if him not being labled a hero would satisfy the above suggested genre need or not?

            Now, in version #2, in this case being a YOUNG-hero, he still doesn’t know everything and he still has lessons to learn, obviously. Still goes on poorly thought out date, but instead of being completely alone… he has some friends and fellow Young-heros in training and, in the Commander, an older colleague who can do what teachers everywhere do, when they’re at their best, and help Kyle learn from these terrible events regardless.

            That’s just two opinion and I guess I would argue that hero-label or no hero-label, again, IN THIS STORY, events would have played out the same.

            There are many stories about infallible “heroes.” However, in the one I see Alex painting for us, this one simply happens to start with a young gay man with extraordinary powers, who is badly used and who will hopefully learn from his mistakes and have help doing so.

            So I could see how you might say you wouldn’t award Kyle the hero badge today. That said, in THIS story this young man needs to go through a learning period before he could be ever be the hero I’d imagine you’d hope for and, as hard as that is to watch for some of us, we’re seeing it.

            Sloooowwly, played out, page… by… page (that’s for you Alex) we suffer so ;).

            So I hope you continue reading and let us know if there is moment in the story when you find Kyle worthy of a proper hero badge and why.

            Thanks for the fun conversation.

            Best,
            ChrisD

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            While we are talking about THIS story, we are reflecting on events that have transpired and giving our inputs where desired; whether or not it is in this story or another is, at least to me, rather unimportant. As a reader, I try to analyze a story from a personal perspective, because a story such as this is meant to make one think about the actions of the characters involved. Such philosophizing may inevitably lead one to question the choices and/or inaction of a character as based on our personal experience; after all, this was written by a real-life person, and a writer, no matter what the genre, leaves shards of realism in their work, if for no other reason than that a story only has flow and meaning if it can connect on some level with people of the real world, no matter how anthropomorphized or fantastical the characters and their environs may be. As such, in my attempt to connect with a character, I must analyze what they do and the intentions behind it. Now some people may find my analyses cold and emotionless; it is usually meant to be. I find it more effective to analyze when I detach myself and just view the facts as I see them, eventually coming up with my own thoughts. And my thoughts are this; when real people act like heroes, they do so under the premise that they are to make the proper decisions for both their own sake and for the sake of those under their protection. It absolutely does not matter how new a person is at their duty. If you allow yourself to fall prey to victimization~~if you cannot use your head and make such blunders, then you have two choices: 1) Give up on being a superhero until you can think responsibly or rationally; 2) Do what you can to redeem yourself, making sure that from here on out that you think with a clear head and prove that you are worthy of being a champion of the world. But I cannot accept this “green-behind-the-ears” theory as an excuse; the entire world~~maybe the universe, is at risk because a villain decided to take advantage of a person who didn’t think to begin with. When your recklessness is in part responsible for putting people in danger, there is absolutely no theory or explanation that should assuage his sense of culpability. There is a price to be paid for temerity, and as a superhero, the cost is apparently most grave. This works in the real world to. Our recklessness can be the cause of much pain and suffering, no matter how inadvertent. And we must own up to our culpability. Being able to take responsibility for one’s actions and being able to do something to fix the situation~~~THAT is the mark of a true hero, at least to me.

          • Very clearly said. Thanks. You said one thing that rang clearly to me and speaks to why we may never be able to express these same events in similar ways…

            “Now some people may find my analyses cold and emotionless; it is usually meant to be.”

            I’m quite the opposite, my analyses are always emotionally based. For me, it’s always about the human before the hero. So it sounds as if we will always view the same events with opposite viewpoints and priority sets and that’s okay.

            As to your final statement about Kyle taking responsibility for his own actions… I agree.

            I’m pretty sure that is exactly what this entire journey is about. Him learning to do just that. And thus one of us is sure to be pleased and one of us may be.

            Because, he will certainly do one of these things… or the other.

            Best,
            ChrisD

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            By the gods, you have no idea how refreshing it is to be able to agree to disagree with people without starting some forum war! I absolutely love being able to talk to you guys on here and have mature conversation without bickering or hurt feelings (as you may be able to tell, that hasn’t been the case in the other places I have been to). But I must disagree with you on one point. His journey is not entirely about taking responsibility for his actions~~it’s all about a gorgeous redhead showing off his beautifully sculpted body at every opportune moment~~~Right, Alex? Right?! *Looks at Alex with glittering Anime Eyes of Hope*

          • Golly, I was hoping that went without saying. 😀

          • You have just killed me with laughter Marcus. I have been watching your comments on this page, and I was sooooo not expecting that last bit from you. But well done, you made me fall out of my chair.

            I would also like to say I both disagree and agree with some of your posts. ^_^

          • As a Mod (and a fan), I want to thank both you and Chris for having such a polite and interesting conversation regarding this tense issue! 😀 You both brought up some great points whether you agreed with each other or not. Alex is right to take joy in the comments and commenters here.

            Welcome to our group, Marcus! 🙂

          • Steven K.

            Love you for this. This is a wonderful summary of all I believe as well, and, as such a skilled writer, you are able to say all this better and more calmly than I guess I could. I’m so glad you are here.. I’m going to consider this another of the best and most important comments lately as well.

          • Steven K.

            This is like saying superheros shouldn’t cry. Superheros shouldn’t feel pain. Superheros shouldn’t make mistakes. Superheros should be infallible. Superheros are never trusting enough to be fooled or duped by anyone at any time. If we take away all of a superhero’s potential vulnerabilities, or all of what is left of potentially human qualities (since humans can’t claim any of those attributes), we make them totally unrelatable and maybe even unsympathetic. Also, again, Kyle is still a hero-in-training. That’s why he’s not out on his own yet either.

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            There is nothing wrong with making mistakes. Only the omnipotent and omniscient could make such a claim ,and even in the world of fiction, one would be hard-pressed to find such a person. Heroes are not infallible, nor are the lot of them emotionless. Their infallibility and the depth of their emotion is not the problem here; the problem is what type of mistakes are made and what one does in reaction to their emotion. From the very beginning, Kyle knew of Duncan’s reputation, regardless of whether said reputation was in the past or a part of the present scenario (the latter obviously being the case). There are several questions that BASIC logic demands he ask, no matter how new he is to a situation. These questions are as follows:
            Question: Why is he here in the alley with me? How was it that he just so happened to be in the same bar that I was in? How would he even know I was there?
            Answer: Rationally speaking, one would easily surmise that you were being tailed. Even if one is to believe that he was at the bar, unless he had something he wanted from you, why follow you out?
            Why does he want to kiss even though he doesn’t know me?
            Answer: Rationally speaking, the exact answer is unknown(*we are talking as if the question takes place at that moment in time*). However, being rational and logical, it is quite obvious that a man who is clearly 30-40 years your senior does not start soliciting kisses from an apparent teenager without having some ulterior motive.
            Question: Why does he want to take me to Hong Kong for dinner even though he has only known me for a short period of time?
            Answer: Rationally speaking, you have something that he wants. Wining and dining is a person’s way of gaining trust, something he wants from you.
            Question: Why would he, a man old enough to be my grandfather, want to have sex with me only after a short time?
            Answer: Once again, a rational and logical mind would easily surmise that he had an ulterior motive, and would adjust accordingly.
            All the conclusions I provided do not take Bruce Wayne-level deductive reasoning skills to comprehend; Indeed, on some level, Kyle MUST have realized the risk. I mean, come now, you have the rational mind to check the history of your date and yet lack the common sense to question every action you have seen thus far?
            I would argue that Kyle was being selectively rational. Meaning, he was able to think logically only so long as his need to fill his loneliness and “safely” explore his sexuality were not compromised. Coldly put, Kyle was thinking with his penis and emotions rather than with his head, and he is currently suffering the consequences. You don’t have to be a seasoned-hero to see passed the obvious facade put on by Duncan. All it takes is the willingness to think rationally and logically, something required of all heroes. Quite frankly, be you new or be you seasoned, if you cannot for any reason be expected to think with your head and question things, then until you do, you as a hero are useless to those you protect and those who would call you partner.

          • Steven K.

            I’m 9 years younger than Duncan, but if I wasn’t so shy and had a bit more self-confidence in a few different ways, I’d solicit a kiss from an 18 year-old with no evil ulterior motives (assuming that possible intimacy-related motives aren’t considered evil). Especially a guy as cute and adorable and handsome and hunky and nice and sweet and innocent (and so horny – so I might have a tiny bit of a chance) as Kyle. And if that kiss led to something more intimate, I’d treat him like a prince and go out of my way to insure him that it was a huge honor for me and as special for me as it might have been for him – probably a lot more so. And I’d take such a fellow out to dinner half-way ’round the world if I were wealthy enough and had my own jet to impress him, and, more importantly, to just give him an incredible experience and make him happy, which would make me happy, if nothing else, though I’d still hope he’d like me even without all that.

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            Would you follow a *seventeen*-year-old (the age Kyle was at the time of their first kiss) into a dark alley and blackmail them into kissing you by playing psychological games, making them believe that their sexuality staying secret depended on whether or not they would allow you to kiss them?

          • Steven K.

            Of course not – but a bit later you get the feeling that he wasn’t really going to do that – that he was sincere in his request. Actually, I don’t think he ended up actually truly blackmailing Kyle anyway. I think he was toying with him a bit psychologically, yes – but he seemed to demure and eventually express a sincere interest and concern. But I’m more apt as well to give people the benefit of the doubt, though maybe would have analyzed things a bit more first. One of the saddest things for me to look back on is when Duncan tells Kyle reassuringly that he has powerful friends (meaning himself) and because of this there are things he probably needn’t worry about, and, even more so, when he promises Kyle that he’ll always be safe with him. But I am one of those people who is also using feelings and emotions to guide me instead of just cold, unemotional, logical, rational thought and analysis. I think sometimes you need that perspective as well – as a frustrated Kirk and McCoy were continually reminding Mr. Spock.

          • Way interesting you guys:

            Marcus — Way back when I was 18 and horny, Duncan was so hot and my memories of 18 and horny were such that I didn’t even question that kiss… I read playful dominance and needy boy (wow was I wrong), but like Kyle I was harshly fooled. I say this because as an intellectual observation, that is a good one. I didn’t think of that and I should have… and I’m pretty cautious… NOW.

            Steve K — I like your balance example in Kirk, McCoy and Spock. That makes a great deal of emo-sense to me.

          • Steven K.

            If it had been (even the current 49yo) me offering you that kiss when you were 18, you would have been correct in your assumptions and thus NOT “harshly fooled” – you needn’t have worried and I would have tried to give you a totally (positively) awesome experience, in whatever form I may have managed to provide it – just like I would have if I had been able to meet anyone like Kyle.

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            Even later on, I still knew something bad was going to happen. Why? A person who is obviously using a person for their own ends is not just going to turn around and be genuinely loving because 1) that would be a very strange turn for a story to take; villains don’t just try to use someone and then, without any indication, give up on their plans and start wooing people off their feet. 2) This all seemed unrealistically calm and dulcet; complete strangers don’t usually woo you in such exorbitant ways, not unless they want something from you. On another note, I know when I should be emotional and when I should be detached; I had recently been in love with someone~~deeply in love with them, but I also knew when to compartmentalize my emotions and think like a logical, rational human being, especially when the person I loved was doing something rash or idiotic, and it worked in their favor; there are times when it is wise to be led by emotion, as emotion can be a source of great power and inspiration. My love for this person (which has since turned mostly platonic) was such that I would happily be there for them and have their back, even when they were being stupid. But the rational and logical part of me also allowed me to chastise them when they were being utterly stupid and/or show them another take on things so as to try and help them not have to experience emotional pain.

            I myself once was completely ruled by my emotions and unchecked idealism. What ended up happening?:

            I ended up hooking up with a 50+-year-old man barely a month after turning 15. At about 14, I came uncomfortably close to engaging in intimate relations with another person who themselves admitted to having an STD, and allowed someone ELSE to take my money and use me as if I was some sort of gratifying toy. All this because I didn’t think logically and rationally. I speak like this about Kyle because I have been in his shoes. I have seen the signs, and they are not pretty. I myself am an idealist and try to see the positive in things; but, at least in my mind, even if I look at the positive in the world, an idealist is ideally realistic. For me, idealism without any sort of realism leads to trouble

          • Steven K.

            In my dealings with others in matters of intimacy when I was young, I just about always acted logically and rationally, I stayed out of trouble, always was safe, only rarely got emotionally hurt, never got any STDs – and regret so much of what NEVER happened and ended up wasting my best years with no-one and no satisfying sexual or emotional relationships due to always being so careful and considering all of the potential negative consequences and making sure I was hurt – physically or emotionally – as little as possible – even though part of me has also always been very emotional (with an extremely high sex drive as well). But I’ve TOO often let that other rational, logical, safe side too often over-ride the other, and I’ve lost so much because of that. I might not have been attracted to a 50+ guy, but when I was 12+, I would have given ANYTHING to fool around with a nice, attractive 20-30-something, instead of waiting till I was 19 for ANYTHING – and then 23 for the next person. It’s all so much a matter of perspective. And hindsight. I did too much calculating – too much being safe and planning for all contingencies by waiting for the perfectly safe and perfect situations with perfect people with no risk – that never came. If I had ended up risking a little more, yeah, I might have had some bad experiences, but probably would have had some good ones along with those – at least something I could look back on fondly – and probably I’d be much better adjusted today. The same parameters and philosophies and outlooks and strategies and modes of behavior aren’t going to work the same for everyone – and life is such a damned crapshoot anyway – and whatever logic and rationality we apply – the one thing we can’t control is the actions and responses (and lack thereof) of others. That also adds so many “wildcards” into the mix. If my 14-15 year-old self would have had a little intimacy (providing it was safe and not emotionally damaging) I think I’d be a much happier and more fulfilled person today. Heck, even if that would have happened more often to my 30-something or 40-something self, that would be the case. But often, even with forethought and analysis, we often don’t have all the answers or all the information to make the perfect decision. One just doesn’t know. If my 14yo self had gotten something, I might be happier today if things had gone well, or, if they hadn’t, I might be dead or institutionalized. I can never know. I have made soooo many rational, logical decisions, taking as many factors into account as possible, in so many aspects of my life (so much so that even now, if I had the exact same info, I would have made the same decisions). But it turns out so many of those that I had analyzed so carefully beforehand, with cost-benefit analyses and such, turned out actually to have been the WRONG decisions to make, looking back, with hindsight. And often it was because of factors or aspects of other people or situations that I could have never known about or ever predicted, that caused things to go awry. I don;t think Kyle could EVER had predicted the magic bondage, the journey to hell, the demon-king/father, etc. – he may have been able to predict the possibility of some type of betrayal, but predicting that such a liaison would result in a demonic invasion, I don;t think any amount of analysis or logic would have predicted that sort of repercussion. I just think we have a couple widely varying ways of looking at things and interpreting things. I very well might have have the wrong one – I admit that – cuz things haven’t worked out for me most of my life, BUT, so often I was applying so many of the approaches that are suggested are the ones to use. I never smoked, never got drunk, took drugs, never engaged in dangerous or risky behaviors, never was promiscuous. Due to this, I never got physically injured, never caught any STDs, never engaged in any drunken stupid behavior or debauchery, never over-ate or became overweight. But, then again, I rarely got laid, have been alone most of my life, and haven’t had much fun. Then I get diagnosed with a genetic kidney disease, which has had all kinds of negative repercussions, and leaves me linked by tubes of my blood to a machine for 16 hours a week, and may mean that I won’t live nearly as long as I could have otherwise. It leaves me wishing I had thrown caution to the wind much more often, and had a little more fun while I could have, and back when I didn’t have tubes surgically implanted into my body that usually freak people out – they find it hard to get past that once the clothes come off. If I was “fated” to die early anyway, why shouldn’t I have been a little less careful earlier (within certain parameters), taken more risks, and had more fun while I was still young and reasonably healthy, and still attractive. But, going back again, if I had done more of those things that I didn’t – drink alcohol, take drugs, have risky encounters, I may not be as highly functioning and in relatively good health OTHERWISE (allowing me to work, etc.) even though I have kidney failure. I might be in terrible condition now if I had lived a less healthy lifestyle, although I may have had more fun to look back on with fond memories, instead of being alive and still able and highly functioning but few fond memories of satisfying interpersonal moments to look back on. I see so many of the other poor souls on dialysis – when they get off the machines, they look like zombies, some can barely walk, some look exhausted. While it’s a huge drag for me,, I usually feel pretty great when I get off from my session, and my doctors tell me it’s likely due to all the positive healthy choices I’ve made previously. But I make all those healthy choices, but still get slammed with a genetic disease no one could have predicted, leaving me think I should have had more fum when I had the chance, but the fact that some of those choices keep me still being and feeling pretty good even when having such a serious condition. Hmmm – like I said – so much of life is a crap-shoot. It is so hard to get all these “rules to live by” apply in all situations. Life is just not that simple.

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            There is nothing wrong with making mistakes. Only the omnipotent and omniscient could make such a claim ,and even in the world of fiction, one would be hard-pressed to find such a person. Heroes are not infallible, nor are the lot of them emotionless. Their infallibility and the depth of their emotion is not the problem here; the problem is what type of mistakes are made and what one does in reaction to their emotion. From the very beginning, Kyle knew of Duncan’s reputation, regardless of whether said reputation was in the past or a part of the present scenario (the latter obviously being the case). There are several questions that BASIC logic demands he ask, no matter how new he is to a situation. These questions are as follows:
            Question: Why is he here in the alley with me? How was it that he just so happened to be in the same bar that I was in? How would he even know I was there?
            Answer: Rationally speaking, one would easily surmise that you were being tailed. Even if one is to believe that he was at the bar, unless he had something he wanted from you, why follow you out?
            Why does he want to kiss even though he doesn’t know me?
            Answer: Rationally speaking, the exact answer is unknown(*we are talking as if the question takes place at that moment in time*). However, being rational and logical, it is quite obvious that a man who is clearly 30-40 years your senior does not start soliciting kisses from an apparent teenager without having some ulterior motive.
            Question: Why does he want to take me to Hong Kong for dinner even though he has only known me for a short period of time?
            Answer: Rationally speaking, you have something that he wants. Wining and dining is a person’s way of gaining trust, something he wants from you.
            Question: Why would he, a man old enough to be my grandfather, want to have sex with me only after a short time?
            Answer: Once again, a rational and logical mind would easily surmise that he had an ulterior motive, and would adjust accordingly.
            All the conclusions I provided do not take Bruce Wayne-level deductive reasoning skills to comprehend; Indeed, on some level, Kyle MUST have realized the risk. I mean, let’s think logically; you have the rational mind to believe your date and yet lack the common sense to question every action you have seen thus far?
            I would argue that Kyle was being selectively rational. Meaning, he was able to think logically only so long as his need to fill his loneliness and “safely” explore his sexuality were not compromised. Coldly put, Kyle was thinking with his penis and emotions rather than with his head, and he is currently suffering the consequences. You don’t have to be a seasoned-hero to see passed the obvious facade put on by Duncan. All it takes is the willingness to think rationally and logically, something required of all heroes. Quite frankly, be you new or be you seasoned, if you cannot for any reason be expected to think with your head and question things, then until you do, you as a hero are useless to those you protect and those who would call you partner.

          • Steven K.

            Love that response. Big hug. Someday I’d like to ask you something privately, but not sure if there’s a way to do that here or exchange e-mail in private if you were ever ok with that, etc.

      • I feel the voracity of this comment was a little uncalled for…

        • Steven K.

          I’d agree concerning the severity,

        • Marcus Dionte Scott

          It wasn’t meant to be voracious (well, except for maybe the last part). It was meant to be an assessment of a situation. 1)He knowingly, figuratively and literally got into bed with a dangerous man. 2) He therefore knew that dangerous men will do dangerous things. 3) Instead of truly weighing the pros and cons, he decided to be foolish and be led by his hormones and heart. If I am harsh, it is because I myself have been there. And like Kyle, I reaped what I sowed, regardless of how inadvertent my actions were

          • Steven K.

            Don’t ever let me catch you being led by your hormones or your heart into anything that may later prove to have negative consequences. I don’t think we, as humans, can live our lives like that and think that when we act on those feelings, we’ll always be totally safe and we will never be hurt. Otherwise, no one would fall in love, or ever have sexual relations with anyone – and we’d all be just logical machines.

          • Adam Black

            I made the exact argument about 5 pages back, as the basis for why Kyle must be totally honest about the circumstances and come out completely.

            His dishonesty to stay in the closet is what led to his betrayal of his team

          • Steven K.

            Oh geez, here we go again.. Now everyone that is in the closet – anywhere, for any reason, even if they are 12 years old, or living with religiously fanatically fundamentalist parents who would kick them out at the drop of a hat if they knew – is being dishonest. And here he is “betraying” his team again. God I cannot accept talk or language like this.

          • Adam Black

            Steven,
            You put ( offensive, even to you ) words in my mouth, that I did not say.

            You are projecting ( straw men ) views on to me, to reject them.
            Its not the first time.

            Its a superhero comic, and he had sex with the Villain of his team.

            It would be considered a “betrayal” even if its was merely a football team, and not a superhero team.

            But I do agree you with you that the straw man that you have equated here “Now everyone that is in the closet” is offensive.
            We havent even been shown any major antigay prejudice in this universe ( to justify your implication that I want to make children homeless )

            I am not angry. But please, think twice, before you conflate a statement about a superhero to “12 years old, or living with religiously fanatically fundamentalist parents who would kick them out at the drop of a hat if they knew”.

            In this story, Kyles dishonesty made him vulnerable to manipulation. Being honest will also protect kyle from blackmail and blame.

            No one is Victim blamimg.

            But he does bear responsibility to see he cant be used against his team.

            Potential of blackmail was the official reason for keeping gays out of the US military until the 90s.

            I am dropping out of this conversation.
            You are welcome to your own opinions. But, ( unless I ask for a speechwriter ) I, alone speak for myself.

            I hope if you make a mistake in your life you have the wisdom to see when coming clean will help you instead of making things worse.

          • Steven K.

            Sorry – it was a stressful night. I’m trying to be more careful now. It’s just that I have a lot of issues when I hear that staying in the closet or not coming out is dishonest. I think that at least some comments have been along the lines of: because Kyle did not come out to friends earlier and was being dishonest in that way – that was at least partly responsible for him getting into the situation that he got himself in. That’s how I took some of the things I’ve read, I’m sorry if you did not mean that sort of thing or if you were not one that was saying such a thing. I promised to be more careful in the future.

      • silibub

        Well, Kyle put his trust in the wrong person and it backfired spectacularly, but I hope his team understands why he was misled. It would be unbelievably hard to be gay, secretive about it, and totally celibate for fear of harming people due to his powers. When offered a seemingly once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to be in a sexual relationship with someone, it’s no surprise Kyle latched onto it. And Duncan had to convince him first — it’s not like Kyle just dove into bed with him; everything Duncan did was carefully calculated to make Kyle believe he was trying to reform, or Kyle would’ve “nope’d” the fuck out of there.

        The blame is wholly on Duncan, if you ask me. Kyle made a mistake, but it’s forgivable because he had no way of knowing what the consequences would be, or that they even could be so severe.

        • Steven K.

          OK – I LOVE YOU FOR THAT RESPONSE SILIBUB!!!!!
          That is all EXACTLY how I feel about it all and exactly what I believe in terms of Kyle’s decision and motivation and choice of action. I am SO HAPPY AND IMPRESSED with that response that I wish I could give you a prize for best and wisest and most important and heroic comment here since ChrisD’s self-characterized “emo-barf” rant of a few pages back. I also wish I could give you a superheroic hug – and I’m usually not one to be all that demonstrative toward women. EVERYTHING you just said here is SUPER SPOT-ON and I couldn’t agree more emphatically and wholeheartedly with every wonderful and perfectly enunciated point in that comment! I think WarGoddess should knit you a hat for that. One of the best comments of all time here.

          • silibub

            Aw man, you’re too nice! *blushes* It’s always nice to hear I’ve articulated other people’s feelings as well as mine — I’d take your superheroic hug and feel honored! ♥

          • Steven K.

            The pleasure is mine.

        • Marcus Dionte Scott

          I am afraid that blame falls on both their shoulders. To me, it’s analogous to a person the same age as Kyle beginning an “innocent” dalliance with a known fugitive. When you knowingly invite a dangerous individual into your world, there are subsequent effects that you surely would have already considered, but if you go into it blind and wistful, you risk both your safety and the safety of others. The blame lies on your shoulders as well because, while you obviously didn’t know what would happen, you still knew the risks…you simply didn’t care. Or at the very least, you didn’t care enough That is Kyle’s problem. His experiences and isolation left him vulnerable, yes. They made him susceptible; but a hero’s job is to know that they cannot leap into a situation recklessly. This is a lesson Kyle must learn.

          • silibub

            I’m really averse to blaming Kyle even a little bit for the impending demon invasion, since there’s simply no way that he could have known that was a possible outcome. I don’t think I’m wrong when I say Kyle was as ignorant of his demon parentage as we were when Duncan began his seduction, so when calculating the risk of associating with Duncan he wouldn’t have thought, “But what if he’s just using me for my demon lineage?”

            I mean, I agree with you that Kyle made a big error in judgment by pursuing a relationship with Duncan in the first place, but equating that to knowingly risking the safety of his team and the entire world seems like a stretch. As far as he was aware, the only person he was putting in danger was himself — I think it’s been stated that an important aspect of Kyle’s character is that he tries to protect everyone except himself, and his actions reflect that.

            While I agree that Kyle should learn and grow from this experience, I think it’s unfair to suggest that he callously disregarded his friends and the people he wants to protect in favor of sleeping with Duncan. As far as he knew, based on what Duncan said and how he observed Duncan behaving in Hong Kong, plus the research he did on the side, Duncan was becoming less and less dangerous. Duncan clearly intended to skew Kyle’s risk calculation by making it appear that he was no longer as active a villain as he once was. With that in mind, plus the seductive and rare opportunity for a physical relationship Duncan was offering him, it would seem unrealistic for Kyle to back out. After all, he’s a teenager, not a machine — he can’t just disregard his own emotions and loneliness because they’re deeply a part of who he is and what he’s experiencing.

            Blah, I’m not sure if I’m being coherent, but basically what I’m saying is I can see where you’re coming from, but I think your expectations for Kyle — or anyone in his position — are too high, and that you’re neglecting to factor in Duncan’s manipulations and culpability.

          • Steven K.

            You are continuing to be totally coherent and wonderful, and I feel like I need to give you another super-human thank you and more awards and everything I mentioned in my previous response to your previous amazing defense. OK – so this is one of the the best next-best comments of all time here – relative to the one I said was one of the best of all time. I once again feel exactly the same about everything you said and everything that you have described here. So, in any case THAT WAS ALSO WONDERFUL AND, AGAIN, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • dereule101

            100% yes.

          • Klaus

            He did not know the risk. The only risk that I could see was that by placing himself at Duncan’s mercy, he was giving him a hostage to use against the team. But the Annihilator had already demonstrated that he could just have grabbed Kyle off the street if that was what he wanted. Kyle had no idea of his unique nature, or what it could be used for.

          • Steven K.

            Exactly – hug for you too.

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            He was with a villain. He knew what villains do. He knew the risk that came with trusting a villain. Villainy, by its very definition, concerns harm or ill-gain. When your moniker is that of a villain, it’s self-explanatory what type of person you are, and having someone engage with you romantically, even though they know what you are, means that both parties know (on some level, at least) what they’re getting into)

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            Besides, the most dangerous villains know that the best way to hurt someone is not through their body, but through their heart and their head

          • Steven K.

            Hmmm – when a legally underage person willingly and by choice engages in sexual relations with an older person (not talking about a forced situation – if I had gotten the chance to have sex with someone of legal age to whom I was attracted when I was 12-16 – and there were a lot of them, I certainly would have – well, assuming I felt a number of other things were “kosher” as well – and would have felt not one thing wrong with it), we just about NEVER blame the younger person. I’m not saying that is right or wrong, but using the logic of your argument, we MUST and must ALWAYS blame them as well for getting involved in that type of situation and having just as much bad judgement. (I’m not personally myself making a negative moral or ethical judgement on such involvements – I think it may be morally or ethically OK in a set of limited circumstances, though I believe, of course, that it would be legally wrong, and thus I personally would not choose to do it if I were the older person because the legal consequences are just too great. If I had found myself the younger person in the situation, and I had been offered the opportunity to engage in such relations with an older person of legal age and it was someone to whom I was attracted and a person I liked and trusted and respected, I probably would have done it with no reservations whatsoever – and if I assume that the person treated me well and never harmed me and didn’t pass on any diseases to me, etc., then I’m sure I would have never done anything to get that person into trouble or would never have said anything about it to anyone and would have been totally content and happy to keep the secret. In fact, if such things had happened to me in my younger years – again, assuming no harm, I sincerely feel that I’d be a happier and more fulfilled and better adjusted – and certainly better sexually adjusted – and an orders-of-magnitude more confident and less frustrated – person today. And it would probably be a lot easier for me to tolerate sex scenes on TV and in film, or PDAs out in society.)

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            Thank you for responding, and again, I am glad that the conversation has remained civil :). If I may, I would like to point out some things. 1) We are not discussing the legality or illegality of such a union; while such things were noted in Alex’s earlier pages, they were not the main focus of the story. The main focus was that a young boy~~nay, a young MAN~~ was being wooed and seduced by a gentleman with obviously more experience and “understanding”. The focus, I would argue, was the EMOTION and INTERACTION of the two individuals involved, not their ages. 2) You are talking about someone you know and trust; Kyle obviously didn’t know the Annihilator, and his trust was based on naivite rather than sound judgment, whereas I assume YOU are the type of person who trusts people based on sound observation and long-term experience. 3) As I have said before, as a superhero, he is held to a higher standard than most people who you might consider mundane, specifically because his decisions (or indecision) directly impacts the lives of those he has sworn to protect (as is evidenced by the heralding in of his demonic progenitor). This leads me into 4)~~We place blame where it is due, and when and only when it is justly so; Kyle knew Duncan was a villain; Duncan said otherwise, but again, villains lie, and as a hero, one must not believe anything not substantiated by evidence, lest you want the world destroyed, as is the nigh eminent case now. One understands that Kyle is only mortal and will inevitably make mistakes, but putting your trust in a villain, regardless of what you might feel inside, is a reckless decision, and whether we like it or not, decisions have consequences, consequences that we must own up to. On a final note, I myself engaged in a clandestine liaison with a man in his mid-50’s when I was 15. I place blame squarely on my shoulders because I knew EXACTLY what I was doing. However, in real-life situations, as was mine, what must be done and who is to blame is dependent on many factors too numerous to generalize.

          • Steven K.

            The part of the legality or illegality of such a union was put in solely as a disclaimer for my use of the “underage” thing as an example in trying to make my point – it was a “side-comment” for my own protection – it wasn’t meant to have anything to do with the points that we were discussing/arguing. I certainly envy your being able to do something when you were 15, and I certainly envy that man as well – if I had been able to be on either end of that situation, with no fear of legal repercussions or reprisals, I , like I said, would probably be a much happier and fulfilled person to this day. But what if someone found out and that man were put in prison. Should people have put all of the blame on you? Should everyone and the gentleman himself blamed you for ruining his career and his life? From your point of view, of course! And even though Kyle was a bit older, he was still of incredibly limited experience and still very naive – he was a “man” biologically, but, then again, biologically, one can be a “man” at 12 or 13. He may have not been all that mature psychologically or experientially. Also, I certainly wasn’t focusing in the points of my argument on Kyle and Duncan’s respective ages. Also, what written-out or “made manifest” standards are superheroes held to in the YP world. We don’t exactly know.

      • Steven K.

        And I think betrayal is ultimately a thing of intent. And I see nothing of a negative intent toward himself or his team in anything that Kyle did or in any of his decisions to engage in what he did (god, his intentions in following that course of action were certainly hopeful of positive outcomes for himself). I think the word “betrayed” here is not warranted.

        • Marcus Dionte Scott

          I must respectfully disagree with you there, Steven, as inadvertence does not exclude one as a betrayer; he promised, as a superhero, to put villains away, not engage in an intimate relationship with them; he betrayed that oath and his creed the moment he trusted Duncan. It was his duty to make sure that he and his comrades were safe. By putting trust in a villain, he put them at risk. He put the whole world at risk. Betrayal means being disloyal to or not fulfilling a role or duty assigned you. Therefore, his actions, however inadvertent, were a betrayal of both his own ethics and the trust of those around him. That doesn’t make him a bad person; rather, it makes him a person who must learn when to put his duties as a hero before the yearnings of a naive heart

          • At the point of their courting, however, Kyle believed that Duncan had changed. He had done his research and seen that “The Annihilator” had in fact been absent from the villainous scene for years. He believed that his feelings were mutual and they may in fact be mutual however Duncan has a fear greater than the end of the world and that is growing old and dying, a fear that many humans can relate to.

          • Steven K.

            And yes. Thanks! Hug for you too. (Tell the bf no need to worry – I’m actually a firm 6 on the Kinsey scale.)

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            Yes. He believed they were mutual. But he also knew from the very beginning that villains are, well~~liars *shrugs*. It is like the story of the scorpion and the frog, with Kyle unfortunately being the frog. Just because you have hope that someone is not a certain way, doesn’t mean that you have forgotten the potential risks. As a hero, he, more than the average layman, must be diligent in his duties to resist villainy, even if it comes with an assuring smile. A hero must always be on guard and use their head, analyzing the situation and trusting that, no matter what a villain says, until evidence shows otherwise, they are not to be trusted. One as a hero must follow this reed, if not for themselves, then for the safety of those they are sworn to protect

          • I think someone else compared this story to that of the scorpion and the frog.
            He is not a real hero, though. He knows how they behave in comics and he sees the bureaucracy of the superheros of his world and he cannot determine how a hero should behave.

          • SofiaT

            “I think someone else compared this story to that of the scorpion and the frog” Yes. Duncan 😀

            Danish and I had both made comments about it before Duncan did too. I don’t know what that says about us 😛

          • ha!

          • *cough* ..let’s not use any ‘great minds think alike’ comments here.. uhm, we assesed the situation really well. Let’s go with that one ;D

          • SofiaT

            Yes, lets 😛

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            He uses his paranormal/preternatural abilities to aid those in distress, especially when very few others can; therefore, he is, by the very definition, a hero. I quite honestly care little for the supposed bureaucracies of that come with heroism, as that is not important; throughout comic book history, we have seen people define themselves and what it means to be a hero outside the paradigms of any bureaucracy, and I would argue that the same holds true here. The point is, heroism is, at its core, about ethics and morality. As such, it is paramount that we keep these things in mind. In short, bureaucracy or no, there are certain paradigms that a hero must consider sacrosanct

          • Steven K.

            OK – again, I just don’t think Kyle did anything or made any decisions that were (at least “prima facie” and probably beyond that as well) unethical or immoral.

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            He went to bed with a villain, he revealed in part the name of one of his comrades (however inadvertent and regardless of the fact that Duncan already knew). He hid this from his comrades and his commander~~unethical means doing things that are against the proper procedures of a profession or that are proper rules of conduct~~Omitting important information from your comrades and “engaging with the enemy” are clearly transgressions and against proper rules of conduct. Ergo, they are unethical. It doesn’t make him a bad person. He simply needs to learn

          • Klaus

            That is not what ethical means. You need no profession to act ethically or unethically. The proper procedures of a profession are (or should be) an attempt to descrobe ethical behabviour. They do not define it.

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            On the contrary, that is precisely what one of the definitions of unethical mean. Besides, I gave more than a work-based examples; rules of conduct that one agrees to does not pertain solely to one’s work environment

          • Steven K.

            He was under the impression that the guy had given up his villainy and had undergone a transformation or had been reformed. Yeah – maybe it was too naive of him to think so or believe this. I think there were SO MANY extenuating circumstances in Kyle’s decisions to warrant the decisions he made. Were there really all those proper procedures and proper rules of conduct of an organized “profession” that he was violating?
            So…..how does one invoke that standard “bow out” language? – Here I need to get up in an hour and ten minutes and I have yet to go to sleep.

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            Oh! I am so sorry if I kept you! Thank you for taking the time to explain your feelings to me. I too must take my leave, as I have pages of translation work that must be done! Thank you again for sharing your thoughts! It was an honor talking to you

          • SofiaT

            Hi Steven, Marcus has already said his “goodnights” so it doesn’t seem to be needed now but here is how you invoke the SBOL: http://webcomics.yaoi911.com/comment-policy/

            Two things are important to remember about the SBOL. First, it needs to be posted as is. No further comments, no last words before it’s invoked. By invoking the SBOL you give the other person the last word. So it can’t be added at the end of a comment where you explain your position again. Therefore, we go to the second thing that’s important to remember about it: Be sure that you’re done talking about a specific subject before you invoke the SBOL. Once you do, you can’t start discussing that same topic again, with that person or any other in that thread or a new one. You effectively bow out of the discussion.

            So in cases such as this one, where you’re in a hurry or wish to go to bed, maybe it’s better to let the other person know that you cannot currently engage in further discussion on that topic but you’re happy to do so in the future. Or you may just leave without saying anything and come back at another time to comment further. That’s totally fine.

            I hope this helps but let me know if you have any more questions.

          • Steven K.

            Yes – I just need to have this handy somewhere to copy and paste if it becomes necessary,

          • SofiaT

            You can just bookmark the page and then copy/paste when necessary.

          • Steven K.

            Thanks – yeah – that’s why I was asking. Sometimes I just need to stop commenting – I’ve been worn out with this discussion. I just noticed his reply below, That would be a good place to leave things for now.

          • Adam Black

            what if Kyle wasnt sexy, and even a tad hideous.

            and what if he was kind of a jerk, but did all the exact same actions?

            How do his ethics stack up, then?

          • Steven K.

            That shouldn’t matter – no one would have deserved that – if we substitute someone of different appearance and leave everything else equal, I’d feel just the same way – and he shouldn’t be blamed for his actions – unless he might get off even MORE easily because someone was ACTUALLY showing interest in him – or are you saying that, if he was hideous, he should have KNOWN that no one would have REALLY wanted to be with him unless it was for some ulterior purpose, since NO ONE would have possibly wanted to have sex with him for the sake of sex, since THAT would be just too hard to imagine. If that is what you are saying, there might be a point in that somewhere, but that would still be very very sad.

          • I have performed heroic deeds and yet I am what some might call morally reprehensible. I am Pagan, having sex out of marriage, have slept with women and agree with a lot of ideals that some might call wicked. I think that in this story the lines are blurred and in fact in real life the lines are blurred.

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            I myself am Wiccan (more of a pagan, but still Wiccan). I have engaged in trysts with other men, I am a proponent of black magic (and I know how many of my fellow Wiccans feel about that), and I, in many ways, lean toward the Left-Hand Path. The problem isn’t so much with blurred lines; it has more to do with setting for yourself certain moral and ethical foundations that you say you will not transgress; as pagans and (at least on my end) GLBT members, there are ethics and morals that many of us have that we do not transgress, one of them being ”an’ it harm none, do what ye will”. The problem comes into play when we transgress our own ethics and morals, especially doing so in a manner that involves others. As I said, many Wiccans (though I myself can be flexible with this rede) believe in the “an’ it harm none, do what ye will” philosophy. However, when that is your doctrine, yet what you do directly leads to the harm of others…we have a problem

          • Steven K.

            Oh geez – you’ve been moralizing on poor Kyle’s actions and their consequences and you practice black magic? (Do black magicians take an oath or practice a code to harm none? If that’s the case, ok, but if not, I don’t think you have much grounds to be moralizing or condemning Kyle for things). Kyle is young – Kyle is a hero-in-training. I don’t think he willingly or willfully transgressed his own moral or ethical foundations.

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            Firstly, as I told Kinziechan, we make morals and ethics for ourselves, be they based on socially accepted principles or those that we come to understand on our own. During those times I have transgressed my morals/ethics, I have taken the blame and tried to atone. Secondly, I never confirmed or denied that I practiced black magic. I merely stated that I was a PROPONENT of it (depending on what it was used for). Thirdly, whether or not your willfully transgress your moral or ethical foundations, if they are transgressed, they are transgressed.

          • Steven K.

            I gotta run – we’ll have to discuss more later, possibly – but lastly I’ll say that our courts, and other circumstances/situations, do assess or take into account will or intent when assigning blame or judgement or punishment (e.g., involuntary manslaughter, vs. a more serious charge involving malicious intent or malice aforethought). Sometimes it doesn’t matter – sometimes it does, depending on the nature of the infraction and the degree and nature of the possible or perceived carelessness. Thank you for the clarification, btw, on the “black magic” statement in your response below. There is a shade of distinction there.

          • It seems like this conversation resolved itself amicably, but I’d like to remind folks that using you-statements and making things personal in a debate are outside of what’s acceptable with our Comment Policy here.

            Statements like “Don’t ever let me catch you being led by your hormones” and “you’ve been moralizing on poor Kyle’s actions and their consequences and you practice black magic?” change the tone of the conversation from a respectful discussion of ideas to something ad hominem.

            Please keep it about the ideas and the ideas alone. If you find that the subject you are discussing is hitting so close to home that it is difficult to keep a tone of respect with your conversation partner on this site, then please move on without comment.

            Thank you. 🙂

          • Steven K.

            Hi – Sorry about that – it is so difficult to indicate tone here. The first case was actually meant to be rather toungue-in-cheek – It is a serious conversation, so maybe I can’t use the term jokingly, but that comment was supposed to more of a good-natured jibe than an admonition. That should probably have beeen phrased differently with a non-specific pronoun. That should have been something like “haven’t we all been led by ….” etc. There was ABSOLUTELY no actual or implied threat intended. I can see how that could have been taken much more seriously than the spirit in which it was intended. But you are correct otherwise in the case of the black magic reference. I guess, when one feels under attack for one’s views. sometimes things are said without giving as much thought to something as should be warranted, especially at 3:30 in the morning. And yes, sometimes things do hit very close and strike a nerve, and, as you said, I should just move on, which is harder to do when one feels wounded. It is difficult for me especially when I encounter situations where I PRCEIVE a high degree of insensitivity – though I guess we each take different lessons from situations such as those depicted that we have lived through in our own lives – and honestly, some of the scenes lately really do have nerves frayed. I’m sorry for my improper selection of pronouns – this should not have been so personally directed.

          • Thank you, Steven. I understand it can be difficult, but I appreciate your willingness to avoid going personal in the future or just move on the next time you’re feeling this way in a comment exchange here on this site. 🙂

          • Steven K.

            Thanks – and I don’t think there was any real animosity on either side or any intention to insult anyone – just a bit of a rather heated debate/discussion on, as usual lately, some very emotionally charged situations and provocative topics and circumstances.- we’re OK – just hope you’re Ok.

          • Steven K.

            And – I hope you might “know” me well enough by now to realize that I feel quite terrible and very saddened if I end up saying anything improper or that has made someone feel uncomfortable, so I can say that I feel very sincerely and truly sorry. I typically pride myself on being respectable and respectful, so if I step over the line, it’s actually hurtful to my own feelings of self-respect as well. As some can probably tell, I’m very good at internalizing emotions expressed elsewhere, and due to an (often debilitatingly so) empathetic nature, if my actions or words make someone else feel bad, that usually rebounds to make me feel even worse. So, rest assured, I am indeed feeling the penance for such things, as it ties me in emotional knots inside. And maybe people with me with such an empathetic streak should steer clear of such emotionally charged literary situations – but sometimes they come up unexpectedly in life. I just want you to know that your admonition hit home more than you’d ever be able to realize. I know what it’s like to feel badly at the hands of others – it’s been a theme of my life, so I try to do what I can to avoid doing that to others, so when I do or say something that slips by in that regard, it very much pains me to know that my discipline was not as it should have been, and the regret is severely felt.

          • Ah. I just saw this comment. (I’m using my email updates to go through the comments in chronological order, so I didn’t realize you were continuing the exchange until after I left my last comment.)

            I hear you that you are feeling tied in “emotional knots” and “severe” regret for the potential that your choice of words were hurtful. I bow to your feelings, but neither an apology nor any level of pain or penance is what I was hoping for with my original response. We all make mistakes and my Comment Policy has only been recently posted, so I just assumed you were not completely familiar with it. 🙂

            The only thing that matters to me is that, now that you know, it doesn’t happen again. And I trust that, even if you are triggered, there will be no more ad hominem attacks and that you will either keep it about the ideas or just move on without comment, yes?

          • Steven K.

            Sometimes heroes are human too, afterall.

          • Steven K.

            I’m not sure he took any oaths, etc. I get your points, and they have validity from a certain perspective, but I think I’ll continue to be in a state of mutual respectful disagreement in terms of the spirit of our respective takes or analyses of the situation.

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            I understand your take on this and am appreciative of the lack of discordant intransigence. However, if I may, I must point out that when you agree to protect people and ask them to place their lives in your hands, you do so knowing that you are their promised protector. Therefore, even if you don’t take any official oaths, the moment you become a hero and make it your duty to protect them, the oath is implied

          • SofiaT

            Hi Marcus,

            Just wanted to let you know that I read all the comments on this thread and -while I don’t agree with the assessement that Kyle should bear any of the blame for the upcoming demon threat- I did find your comments interesting to read, well-presented and thought-provoking. Well, except the first one which was obviously you just letting off some steam 😛

            You’ve only commented a couple of times before on this comic but I do hope we’ll see more of your presence here. Welcome! 🙂

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            I apologize for the inexcusably late response. Thank you so much for your kind words. It truly is fun being able to discuss things like this. It brings out my inner geek (which, by the way, is waiting to see more of Kyle’s powers so I can create a “paranormal” profile of him. So far I have pyrokinesis, and I am guessing that as an extension of that power, he also possesses thermokinesis, while also possessing heat resistance *Inner geek snorts and chortles ecstatically*)

          • Klaus

            The group, from their name, would seem to focus on protecting. There was no indication that anything was going on that anybody (or anything, for that matter) needed protecting from, until it was too late.

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            When you are a part of a team, it is your job to protect them, as it is their job to protect you, hence the saying, “to have one’s back”. A group of protectors are useless if they can’t even protect their own

          • Steven K.

            I concur.

      • Klaus

        There was no way he could have predicted that this date could have this result.

    • Acintyabedhabedhadasa

      Somehow, I doubt that we will see a page of Kyle curled up on the floor in a fetal position, while the other members of the team stomp him with their jack-boots.

    • stickfigurefairytales

      I really, really hope so.

  • jreed3842

    I just wanna jump into the comic and hug Kyle. *sigh*
    I love that this can make me feel such strong emotions! I’m ready for the next update!

    • Steven K.

      I just want to completely save him, help him save the world, heal him, and care for and support and love him ever after.

  • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

    Fluke, your friend has terrible, terrible luck. Please help him with that.

    • Acintyabedhabedhadasa

      I’ve thought about this. I think that Fluke’s power is involved somehow, and may be what allows Kyle to find true love against the odds.

  • Ellen Harman

    Fluke is playing Angry Birds.

    • rgleon9986

      Lol, I just tried to post that, but my mobile browser is acting up. He’s totally playing angry birds.

  • Oki.. seriously. Don’t know if anyone has mentioned it already, but if you haven’t yet – go to today’s google page!!

    It’s celebrating Dr. Who’s anniversary and the small google image is Daleks but the big Google doodle on their ‘home page’ is a whole Dr. Who game.
    I’m having a blast right now.. even though I just got exterminated the first time xD

    • davefragments

      Did you know that Daleks have a man inside? — he’s sitting on an office chair and moving the costume with his feet. I saw one on the Dr Who bus tour years ago when it first got popular.

      • That must have been a weird and hard job.

        • davefragments

          more hot and stuffy. The voice was done by a man standing next to the camera and the light and sound effects added later. It had to look extra weird back in 1963 and ’64

        • Acintyabedhabedhadasa

          And who remembers the name of Kenny Baker anymore, now that Disney / Lucas credit R2D2 “as himself”?

          • I do, I do!

            (and it’s not an ‘I do believe in fairies’ pun xD)

    • I’m so bad at this game…I made as far as the third level but I’m already on Five. Damn Daleks. Oh well.

      • Level 5, the last level is evil.

        • Run, Three, run! through Level 4!!!!

          (been fried three times now…and I really do need to go to bed)

    • Jamie Dutton

      Thanks for pointing out it was a game. That was so fun! Well once I got the hang of it anyway, lol.

    • Denise Cruz

      I did love that! Had a lot of fun!! ^v^

  • Niggle

    Just spent six hours tending a kiln and I’m tired, yet I checked my RSS feed and saw a new update. Did I go to bed like a sensible person and read it in the morning? No, no I did not. XD I can’t comment on the page, too tired, but it did give me feels. I’ll check back after I sleep. Night folks!

  • Acintyabedhabedhadasa

    In the next-to-last panel, notice the angle and placement of Fluke’s right foot. The angle is what we would expect if it were resting above the left knee, but in fact it is resting on the left ankle. Either his right leg is several meters long, or he is doing some sort of ballet exercises.

    • SofiaT

      Hm. Looks alright to me. I often cross my ankles like that.

      Edit: I’m actually sitting like that with my netbook on my lap right this moment. 😀

      • Acintyabedhabedhadasa

        Now you’ve got me experimenting with putting my legs up. My right foot angles to the left, just as in the picture, but my left heel rests ABOVE my right ankle (the picture is hard to interpret), which means the tip of my left foot should extend past the tip of my right foot. In the drawing, it is the opposite. But now that I think about it, the angle of Fluke’s left boot is plausible… I need somebody to take photographs of my feet!

        • I think it depends on the length of your legs and your meat level. I have long legs.

          • Acintyabedhabedhadasa

            Well, it should mainly depend on whether your feet are the same size!
            Hmmm, my meat is a little past knee level, I wonder if that matters?

          • Well…. I just realized that comment could have been an innuendo but I did not mean it as such. LMAO.
            I meant fat levels in your legs.

          • Acintyabedhabedhadasa

            This is the sort of thing that can only be settled by a photograph. Er, I mean, of the foot position thing…

          • lmao! I would hope it would just be foot position.

    • I’m with Sofia, that’s how I am currently sitting with my laptop. Well. I have the added bonus of a boy back rest. He is very comfy.

  • silibub

    Byyy the way, I’m very interested in this being “Part 1” of Chapter 3. I wonder what’s going to happen that necessitates splitting it into multiple parts…?

    • Takehai

      Well, just a guess, but a Demonic Invasion seems likely. 😉

    • Klaus

      Maybe we get an interlude in the middle of the chapter this time?

    • I knoow. I noticed that too when the page was up and I had pre-written the wrong side address, not knowing about the pt1-thing.
      Maybe we get this first part with Kyle and all his explanations, and then we get a time skip to a new scene change.

      • SofiaT

        *pats back*
        I was surprised you didn’t give me hell about the virgin xD

        • Oh, I decided to be good 😉

          After all I had the wrong address .. and you deserved it for telling us the right page.
          *cough* .. but doesn’t mean I’ll not fight to beat you all next time when Sapfo and Holly are around too xD

          • SofiaT

            Oh don’t worry, I don’t plan on joining the hunt for the virgin this Saturday or ever. 🙂

            But of course I’ll always jump on the opportunity if I find myself the only person there, like I did on Wed/day, hehehe…

            I’m nothing if not an opportunist >:D

          • And to think I gave up the opportunity the other week. 😛 Shoulda grabbed it when I had the chance.

          • SofiaT

            Yeah, but you had an unfair advantage that day. We may be opprotunists but we got a moral code 😀

          • HA! True.

  • Sensational Sai

    Oh poor Kyle, now it’s the proverbial walk of shame for him! I feels for the gingersnap, I really do~

  • Holly

    I missed another camp, I had recording for the show and then a cast party for something else. i’m really tired so I won’t stick around. I will be free to camp on Wednesday though. So look out.

    So I’m guess that Paul is Kyle’s closest friend. Also this reminds me of all the awesome Fluke Jokes we made sometime around the pages where Kyle ended up chained to the bed. Super excited for how this all goes.

    LOVE YOU ALL.

    • Hi Holly!

      I missed the camp too and am worn out. I won’t be here long either. See you next week!

    • Hey Holly!
      Show?
      We missed you during the camp. I wish you could join in tonight. <3

  • Simba Hutchison

    I missed the camping because some asshat decided to break into my house and steal my stuff… Don’t worry. I’m fine and my home is once again secure, but the feeling of violation is pretty gross, lemme tell ya. 🙁
    On a brighter note, I have insurance so I may get a brand new laptop!
    I hope Fluke has some good karma stored up so he can be an awesome friend to Kyle right now. Anyone wanna come have a sleepover so I don’t feel so nervous to fall asleep??

    • silibub

      Oh my god, I’m so sorry! And I’m really glad you’re insured, that’s a silver lining, at least. *hugs*

    • Simba, I’m sorry to hear that happened to you. I’m glad you or anyone else wasn’t hurt, and that you’re insured. Hang in there. Shopping for a new laptop will be fun!

    • davefragments

      you did call the police, I hope. Sorry about the robbery. Been there, done that and it always makes me nervous, even years after and now I think of it driving the last mile to home.
      It really is only “stuff” .

      • Simba Hutchison

        I did call right away. They were kind of lame about some stuff that (I thought) were obvious things to take, so it could have been way worse, but they took my acoustic guitar I’ve had since I was 14. My father gave it to me, I even named it Eleanor… I’m really bummed that guitar is gone…

        • davefragments

          I understand about the guitar. My thefts were TV, video recorder and crap like that. I didn’t buy good stuff, just cheap stuff. The other items were pistols (guns) and now I just don’t have guns anymore. Why supply the thieves if you don’t have to?

        • dereule101

          Sorry to hear about the guitar. That’s terrible. 🙁 Thieves aren’t always logical about what they take and don’t take. I guess it depends on their experience and motivation for breaking in. My truck got broken into in January. They stole an old iPod with a cracked screen that didn’t hold a charge, and some 1/4-pills of my cat’s sedatives for car rides. They left designer sunglasses, a couple of checks, and my toll/parking cash. I was mostly offended by the mess, since I keep the cabin uncluttered and the center console organized. All of my stuff was dumped everywhere, covered in glass and soaked (it was raining).

    • *hugs* I would if I could hun!

    • That’s awful! Good to hear you’re safe.

      • Simba Hutchison

        Safe, and they didn’t hurt my kitty. That was my biggest fear.

        • It would be mine too. Hugs for you and your kitty.

    • OMG! I’m so sorry that happened to you! Big hugs!

      • Simba Hutchison

        Thanks Alex. Hugs help. 🙂

    • SofiaT

      Damn. Fluke’s luck? Sorry to hear about the invasion of privacy, that must be the hardest part. And you should def call a friend to come over tonight, will hep you sleep better. Or maybe you could go to a friend till you change the locks?

      Have you called the police?

      • Simba Hutchison

        Yes I did, so I can send the report to the insurance people. The officer was very nice and thorough and understanding…

        • SofiaT

          Hope you get past the “excitement” and you’re able to get some rest tonight. *HUGS*

    • Oh god. Feel with you. Have been there. *hugs*

    • Adam Black

      I would .

      I had a burglar break in once ( it was around noon ) when I was sleeping. He had kicked in the front door, stacked the TV and the vcr on the kitchen table , only to move on to my room.

      I woke up seeing a blonde Kid in a hoodie in the doorway. At first I thought he was a friend of mine. I called his “name”

      As i tried to to sit up, he blanched white with shock, and my instincts to leap out of bed and chase him were frustrated by that my entire side had fallen asleep and I couldnt get out of the waterbed.

      He was cute too!

      Many a nights since, I imagined, circulatory dysfunction allaeviated, what sort of trade I could have made to keep the poor kid from going to jail.

    • fujoshifanatic

      Oh my gosh, I’m so sorry that happened to you! I can commiserate with you; this happened to me a few years ago when I had my house tented for termites (they came in and stole my stuff while the house was pumped full of poison!). I always suspected it was the guys that threw up the tent, but I could never prove it. Fortunately, thanks to insurance, I did move on (with a shiny new laptop!) and you will too. Sending some good thoughts your way, and the hope for a quick resolution with the insurance company so you can move forward. 🙂

    • Steven K.

      Very sorry to hear that – yes – that is one of the worst feelings of violation possible, aside from more personal bodily ones.

  • I’ll be back in a few. Dog just had a seizure.

    • silibub

      Oh no, I hope s/he’s okay!!

      • She’s ok. She has epilepsy but we can’t afford the medication. The vet said she doesn’t need it and to just comfort her during her seizures but they’re coming more frequently, so I think the vet doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

        • Time for a second opinion?

          • Definitely. Which sucks because I like this vet.
            THEN AGAIN, he put my cat on medication and didn’t tell me that heart failure was a side effect and what to look out for to prevent it. Then my cat went into heart failure and there’s no way to bring them back from that…

          • ……Sounds like you need to find another vet….that is kind of a BIG oversight on his part. They are supposed to inform you about things like that.

          • Yeah… I was charmed by his dazzling good looks. And he is HOT. =/

          • …this is why I think I am wired differently than most people, no matter how dazzling their good looks are or how hot they are I have this instant reaction of distrust….usually. There might be an exception or two, but none that I can think of.

          • Normally I am very aware of people and can read them. I didn’t get anything from him except nice and hot. >_< Then Rupert got worse overnight…

          • Competence?

          • He came highly recommended by a friend. He saved her cat that was in full kidney failure…

          • Huh…..

          • I don’t know if he just thought that the failure was such at such a low side effect rate that it wasn’t worth mentioning or if he simply forgot, but I lost my best friend. 🙁 My dog is certainly gaining her footing in that category, but I had Rupert for years. He helped me through a terrible loss and I literally made myself sick from crying so hard.

          • *hugs*

          • *hugs*

        • silibub

          Hm, I agree that a second opinion may be in order, especially if it seems like her condition’s getting worse. I’m really sorry to hear it, but props to you guys for taking care of her! Caring for a pet is a big commitment, and a sick pet even more so. I’m sure she loves and appreciates you for it!

          • She’s a black lab/pit mix so she’s stupidly friendly. When I come home she greats me by wagging her entire body.

        • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

          Have you given your dog any of those dog treats from China? My dog developed a seizure disorder a couple of months ago and died recently due to it. The neighbors dog also developed a seizure disorder and died from it a few months before that. The vets speculated it could be a thyroid condition or a tumor although the actual cause is unknown. But we also had been giving him a lot of the treats from China that have been recalled and one of the symptoms of poisoning is seizures. The disorder came on very suddenly without warning and progressed very quickly. Could it have been a tumor? Sure, but it started the same time we started giving him the poultry jerky treats.

          http://www.fda.gov/AnimalVeterinary/SafetyHealth/ProductSafetyInformation/ucm295445.htm

          http://www.globalanimal.org/2013/10/24/list-of-recalled-dog-jerky-treats-pet-chews-from-china/

          • I’ve known about those for a while. She only ever eats Milkbones for treats and that is very rare. They are high in calories, after all. Labs are prone to epilepsy more than other dogs, sadly.

          • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

            I hope your poor doggie gets better.

          • Thank you 🙂

    • Hope everything turns out all right!

      • She’s resting at the foot of my bed. She ended up knocking a board from my box spring that I need to nail back in but otherwise she’s ok. She’ll be a bit woozy for the next couple of hours but it’s normal.

    • Simba Hutchison

      Oh no… 🙁 Its so hard when fur babies are hurt or sick. I hope you both have a nice restful weekend.

      • She’s going to get lots of love this weekend. 🙂

        • Adam Black

          good luck

          • Thanks, Adam. 🙂 She’s doing well now. She wants to go outside and play. But its 2am and pouring. Not going to happen.

          • Adam Black

            keep her close.

    • Marcus Dionte Scott

      I hope everything turns out okay.

    • Hugs to you and your pup.

  • Sapfo

    On the train from work to my bed. And it looks like Kyle have a way home to.

  • Time for bed…Kinziechan, hope your dog is better. Simba, I wish you safe sleep.

    Everyone else, good night.

    • SofiaT

      Night Gryph!

    • Simba Hutchison

      Night, thank you.~

    • Thank you. She’s resting.

    • Night. No more sleep for me. I’m being picked up in 30mins.
      Hmm.. I really should leave the screen and get dressed now xD

      • Sapfo

        Have a good day, Wolf!

  • dereule101

    Eee! I totally forgot to camp! Hmm…is he making sure that Paul is the only one he’s talking to, or is he asking if he can talk to somebody besides Paul?

    • Yay! I am glad I wasn’t the only one thinking that. Personally I am thinking he kind of wanted Spooky to pick up. The way he phrases it, makes me think that Fluke isn’t the person he wants to talk to at the moment.

      • dereule101

        SO awkward.
        “Heeeeyy……so, is there anyone else I can talk to?”

        • Denise Cruz

          I don’t think he’d want Amanda or Tsunami judging him, right now…

          Fluke was the one who didn’t freak out when they were seeing gay images on the internet… Do you remember it?! (Well, Fluke and Spooky; but the second one was making a lot of jokes, so… who knows?!)

      • That option didn’t even occure to me. Fluke and Spooky are his best friends. I went with the ‘I need a friend’ moment.

        • Klaus

          Maybe in this situation, ask the audience would be better than call a friend.

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      I read it as Kyle making sure there was no one else to listen to Fluke’s reaction to him.

      • dereule101

        That could be.

      • SofiaT

        That was my take on it as well. He’s his best friend after all, right? If he can’t talk to him, then who?!

    • SpookyDomme

      I was wondering that, too. I read it as the second way.

    • I had the feeling Fluke is the closest one to Kyle, so I already thought he would be the one to talk to – especially since he is the one with the most unlucky experiences in his life. Well, at least he’s the one I’d talk to – super-confident Spooky wouldn’t be of any help to me.

      all in all i’m just glad Kyle isn’t too ashamed to contact his friends.

  • Acintyabedhabedhadasa

    You know, with a name like “Fluke” he should really be the water-powers guy.

  • Takehai

    I’m just going to point something out here, since there seem to be some recriminations being posted below: Despite Kyle’s naiveté, closeted status, and youthful inexperience, there is a major factor in what happened that no one on the team ( much less himself ) seems to have even suspected: Kyle is only half human. It’s because Duncan and Sircea figured that out that they were able to use him the way they did.

    If you don’t know about something, how can you guard against it? Certainly, the three things I mentioned made it easier for Duncan and Sircea to dupe Kyle, but it’s not as if he had any inkling of what could possibly happen. . .

    • Marcus Dionte Scott

      I would argue that it does not matter what the exact plans were or whether he had any inklings regarding them; he willingly engaged in dialogue with two known villains (Spooky especially warned him about Sircea). One may not know the exact happenings behind the scenes, but then one should, at the very least, have the common sense to know that villainy is by its very definition villainous~~expecting kindness from a villain is like expecting to be cured by ingesting poison; if you let something potentially ruinous into your life, then prepare to be ruined.

      • Steven K.

        I mean this sincerely – please correct me if I am mistaken, cuz I’d like to know for sure. But did Spooky not mention his opinion of PP AFTER Kyle’s encounter with her? And did Kyle ever have any dealings with her after that one incident?

        • Marcus Dionte Scott

          No. Kyle was told about Sircea BEFORE meeting her, and based on his body language and the way he said “Not really” when asked if what he heard about her was good, it was clear that, at the very least, she had an unsavory character. He did not deal with her directly after that (Kyle didn’t)

      • Steven K.

        Also – there are and have been a long list of characters in the history of literature that walk the line between good and evil, or are very ambiguous, or who have motives we just don’t understand. These are especially common in comics. Also, your argument doesn’t take into account that often people can and DO change – even (!) in real life – people actually do reform, and become better people – sometimes much better people – good and gracious after many years of hideousness. Of course the classic example is Dickens’ Scrooge. Then there’s also the classic “Grinch” – or, if sticking with Christmas-themed specials, the Rankin-Bass (I think, maybe?) characters of the Winter Warlock or the “Bumble” (who it turns out was just misunderstood). What about complex characters like Magneto – who believe they are doing what is best for “their people” – I think there are many aspects of that character that could be seen as ambiguous, when you look from different points of view. And he’s generally considered a villain, but to his own followers he would be a hero. That’s very prevalent – who is one person’s villain, is another person’s hero, depending on whose side you are on. And there have been so many situations where heroes and villains have teamed up to prevent a greater assault or tragedy from happening that effects the welfare of all or the planet. Even Loki, historically, is not depicted as always just totally evil. And there are often motivations we do not know about. Is Galactus truly evil? He’s been known to engulf down a few entire worlds here and there. What about the Celestials? What about the Vorlons? The Shadows? Actually, to carry that further, what about the Judeo-Christian god? (I better be careful here). Some of the things that God does in the Bible, or allows to happen, are not anything what I’d call good, and some things I’d even go so far as to say downright cruel – and, by extension, evil. Should one destroy whole cities along with all the innocents because of the actions of only a certain segment of the population? Should one ask a father to slit the throat of his only son in order to prove his obedience? Should all sorts of horrendous ills be just be heaped unmercifully upon a good and just and righteous human just because one has a bet on with the devil?? Even commentators here have expressed that they are not today the people that they have been in the past – they have attempted – and generally succeeded – in reforming from past behaviors (though it may be a continuing process) – formerly considering themselves to be not so good people, or self-identifying past behaviors as bad or immoral in some way – but who have reformed and have become better people, To take an argument here to one conclusion, how can any of us ever trust ever again anyone who has done something bad in the past. If we ourselves have done something bad, for which we try to atone and try to be better and not let it happen again, are we forever evil? Can no-one ever trust anyone who has done wrong things in the past but who has indeed changed dramatically for the better since? Were we that evil to begin with? (Well, I suppose you can bring up “original sin” and the “mark of Cain” and all). Mixed natures and complexities come with the territory of being human. Even a lot of superheroes – perhaps even a majority still? – are still human or have been considered so at one point or another of their development.
        And the whole gosh-darned series of Supernatural has some of the biggest blurring and ambiguities between “good” and “evil” that I’ve ever seen.

        • Marcus Dionte Scott

          For the sake of refined discourse, I shall shy away from including religion as a parallel, because that is just way too risky a conversation piece.
          Now on to your main point. Can Duncan change? He most certainly can? Will he? I sense the possibility of some redemption, but I leave the telling of that tale in Alex’s capable hands. However, when it comes to change, be it in the real world or in the world of extraordinary psionics and fantastical intrigue, whether or not one is capable of change is a moot point when they are in the middle of committing a crime; a robber can be reformed and change for the better, but his potential reform is meaningless while he still has a gun drawn to your head while screaming for your money. The same holds true for Duncan. He can reform, as most human beings can, but that matters very little at present. Why? The world has been served up to a demon king on a silver platter for selfish purposes, and even if those purposes have a tiny bit of altruism attached, that altruism doesn’t make up for the fact that Duncan has potentially plunged the world in unspeakable darkness and destruction for what are, as he personally admits, selfish reasons. When it comes to people like Magneto, I am afraid that while I can sympathize with what they must be going through, there is no confusion about what side of the line their actions place them. Indeed, I think one of the obvious markers of an “antihero” like Magneto is that he has become the very person he despises; a tyrannical being trying to wipe out a species because of blind rage and unbridled hate. His reformation at the height of his crimes is not the point of the story at that time; as long as you act like the enemy, you ARE the enemy, and must therefore be brought down, regardless of the potential for change that lies nestled in your troubled soul. The same holds true for Duncan; until he actually changes, he is a villain, and seeing as he has put the entire world at risk, he is really nobody’s hero. He is, at this juncture, a selfish poltroon without an ounce of praiseworthy honor.

          • Steven K.

            The only major point I was trying to get at was Kyle’s perceptions of Duncan as someone who had changed/reformed (and probably safe now – not saying that was the best assessment, etc., but…) and that such things ARE possible. I keep hearing the repeated argument about Kyle should have known better ….villain, villain, always a villain…. trust a villain and it’s your fault and you are to blame for everything – the villain’s culpability seems to be secondary – Kyle’s trust and interactions with the villain he should have known better about – because of that’s, he’s responsible for putting the world in peril, etc. *I’m* not excusing Duncan, I’m just saying that one could argue on Kyle’s side for Kyle’s interpretation of what Duncan’s character was at that time.

          • Marcus Dionte Scott

            I have never once stated, or even implied, that Duncan’s actions are secondary when it comes to the “Whose To Blame?” scenario. I honestly thought I made it quite clear in my assessment that, as a villain, Duncan did something, well~~villainous, and since he’s the one who set this whole thing in motion, obviously he gets most of the blame. HOWEVER, Kyle, being a superhero, a person burdened with making sure that villainy is kept at bay, allowed himself to be lured in by a villain, and because of his recklessness, he is in part responsible for the current situation. Many of us have experienced this ourselves; we humans sometimes engage in activity that we know has risks. We obviously wouldn’t want anyone to be in danger or for there to be damage, and we sometimes think, “Well, this doesn’t seem as bad as I thought it would, so let’s give it a go.” Eventually, we realize just how stupid we were in thinking like that. Let me posit a scenario: you have a teen invited to hang out with some wild guys. Now these guys are just off-the-scale crazy with their antics. They are known petty crooks who swindle and lie for the hell of it. This innocent teen knows about this, and was never given the time of day by these guys until now. Like Kyle, he doesn’t think to ask why, and his doubts are quickly done away with. These goons sweet-talk him and make him feel like he’s part of the gang, and this kid, wanting so much to be wanted and liked, doesn’t find anything peculiar, even though a rational person, be they teen or adult, would. Now, he feels comfortable after only a week’s time, and so invites them over to his house to play video games. They stay for hours, and he doesn’t realize that they actually were there to steal the firearms that his dad collects in order to go on a high-stakes stealing spree. He realizes this all too late, and they take the guns and go on there merry way, about to do goddess knows what to goddess knows who. Should he be the one to face primary blame? No, of course not; he is not headed out to rob and potentially kill people. HOWEVER, he knew the reputation they had, he knew how bad they could be, and because of his loneliness and naivite, he trusted them, and gave them access to things they would not have had access to if he had thought with his head. For allowing known criminals into his home and for giving them access to things that weren’t there’s, he deserves some blame. It would be strange to think otherwise.

          • Steven K.

            Well, that is a rational and, dare I say, much more charitable assessment with which I can for the most part agree.

  • silibub

    Okaaay, I need to sober up and go to bed, in whatever order that happens. It was a sad page, but I’m happy that Alex was around and joining in the fray tonight, that’s always fun! Thanks for the good comments, everybody, and goodnight.

  • Did everyone go to bed? 🙁

    • SofiaT

      I’m just having a quick dinner 🙂

      • :D! I am not tired whatsoever, so I’ll be up and on here for a while more.

        • SofiaT

          Aye aye captain. 🙂

  • SofiaT

    Have you read KHAOS KOMIX?

    • TwoWayStar

      Omg that comic destroyed me inside. T_T Even just recalling what happened brings tears to my eyes!

      Yeah it’s a pretty great webcomic, you should def read! 😀

    • Have you seen that Tab has started the extra mini comics from the kickstarter? They will be posted on his ‘Shades of A’ site. So far he’s made half of the first one.

      • SofiaT

        Yes! My problem is that I don’t get e-mails from Tab, the rss feed is what shows me when a webcomic has updated, and with Discord it doesn’t show the side-stories updates. Ugh.

        Have you figured out which days it updates? Because it seems a bit random to me. But it may be that I’m on the other side of the planet so updating in “different times” in the UK may translate to “different days” for me.

        • I’m pretty sure it updates sometimes in the evening on mondays in UK. I know he makes the other comic first that day, and then I think the other update happens sometimes friday.
          So at some point tuesday and saturday for you.. I think.

          • SofiaT

            Great, thanks!

    • Jena

      I binge read the whole comic. I loved it! thank you!

  • Foggy

    We need a cast page, because I don’t remember who Tony is. Otherwise I’m enjoying the story.

    • SofiaT

      Tony?

      On the bottom of each page, Alex lists the characters that are present in that page. In this case, Kyle and Fluke. You may notice that the names are hyperlinks so if you press them you will be transported to another page which includes all the previous pages where that character was present, as thumbnails.

      For example for Fluke you get here: http://webcomics.yaoi911.com/character/fluke/

      This can help remind you who is who.

      Hope this helps 🙂

      • Foggy

        Thank You! I totally did not know that. Thanks again!

        • SofiaT

          No worries! Let me know if you have any more questions. 🙂

      • Ilona Fenton

        I didn’t see the names at all – very useful information. Thanks

        • Jakk Anthony Guzman

          Look right on top of the donation bar.

        • SofiaT

          What Jakk said. 🙂
          They’re blue hyperlinks. Can you see them now?
          Over the donation bar and under the facebook “like” option.

      • Niggle

        Wow, I never ever noticed that before. Thank you!

    • Seems like SofiaT got you what you needed, but there is also this “cheat sheet” I made for the Kickstarter. 🙂

      http://amwcomics.com/the-young-protectors-volume-one-kickstarter-character-cheat-sheet/

      • Oh yeah, I’d forgotten that it told us Flyboy’s name 🙂

      • Foggy

        Thank you! That works.(sorry I’m late)

  • Klaus

    Duncan may yet get his wish from all the way back on page 25 of the prologue.

  • SofiaT

    “Jones. Spooky Jones”.

  • I am holding onto that hope, too. >_<

  • vessto

    Kyle is broken.:( I can almost hear his trembling voice in the last panel.

  • LL

    /bites nails

  • amanda

    hopefully someone he can trust… 🙁

  • *sob*

  • *hyperventilating*

    Wednes…. day… buh huh huh

    • Klaus

      Or possibly not until Saturday.

      • Shhhhh! Page will happen wednesday, it will. It has to >.>

        • SofiaT

          By Grabthar’s hammer, by the sons of Worvan, it shall happen!

          • I have no clue what that is or who they are.. but AYE! *lol*

          • SofiaT

            What?! You haven’t watched Galaxy Quest?! You’ve missed one of the great pleasures in life. I’m actually thinking of re-watching it now 😀

            Alan Rickman is in it too 🙂

          • OH! Yes I’ve seen it, but it’s been like 6-7 years since then. Maybe I should watch it again 🙂

          • SofiaT

            You definitely should.

            And remember… Never give up. Never surrender.

          • He was drunk! Do you really think he was talking about a job?

          • SofiaT

            That’s not a fan… that’s a termite!!

          • I’m not even supposed to be here. I’m just “Crewman Number Six.” I’m expendable. I’m the guy in the episode who dies to prove how serious the situation is. I’ve gotta get outta here.

          • SofiaT

            I DON’T EVEN HAVE A LAST NAME!

            …Lets stop here with the quotes or it will take us all day 😛

          • awwwww……though you should see some of the exchanges between my sister and I. ^_^ ….we will have quite a few quotes going and it is an unspoken role not to use any with names. See if anyone else will join in….We were doing the Addams Family once, and we could NOT have been MORE obvious what movie we were quoting, and someone had to ask…..I almost un-friended him for that…

          • SofiaT

            There was this famous screen-writer in Greece, in the 90s he started doing soap operas and they were a huge success. I always found the writing idiotic and he dragged it unecessarily. So with my sister we would always make fun of events in our life by dragging the conversation in that manner too.
            “The milk in the fridge has expired”.
            “The milk in the fridge has expired?”
            “Yes. The milk in the fridge has expired”.
            “You mean the milk in the blue carton in the fridge has expired?”
            “Yes. That’s what I mean.”
            *gaze into the horizon* “But how could the milk in the blue carton in the fridge have expired? I only bought it 3 days ago”.

          • That is great. ^_^ lol

          • My sister and I have had a few conversations that were all quotes.

          • SofiaT

            I do that with a good friend and quotes from Asterix (the comic books, not the movies). Asterix in Britain is our most favourite source material.

          • I find the poetry of that oddly soothing.

          • SofiaT

            Well, we always ended up laughing till we teared when he did this, so “soothing” is not exactly the word that comes to mind but I’m glad you enjoyed it 😀

          • Steven K.

            “PUBERT !!!”

          • Steven K.

            I really love that film as well. And Justin Long is the dreamiest lad imaginable in that! (IMHO)

  • b3nc0

    He’ll just ask for an emergency pair of pants, a lift & maybe, /maybe/ a kind ear if he can’t hold tears back during the flight back…

    • xLizardx

      I think he will tell people what happened – he’s too much of a good guy not to. Think how much it would play on his conscience if he doesn’t warn the others of Annihilator’s plans – despite the potential embarrassment to himself – and then Duncan actually succeeded? I think he will tell them, and then maybe some of them [true friends] will side with him, but others won’t [not because he’s gay but because he was manipulated into ‘helping’ with the evil plan].

      It wouldn’t be fair, but then, it doesn’t sound like the hero community is particularly fair to anyone who makes even the slightest mistake. The YP team *is* a bit different though, so who knows? I hope they support him. He could do with it right now.

      • Frater Gymnos

        I definitely think he’s going to open up to Fluke abut everything that has happened. And I think it will all come out with Kyle babbling through his sobs and tears…

        • SofiaT

          I find it much more powerful when readers’ emotions are evoked not through sobs and tears but something more subtle. That fetal pose on the last page, the hand covering the eyes, the silhouetted face in the last panel here… I don’t think Kyle will start babbling any time soon but I do think we’re in for some deep feels in the pages to come.

          • Frater Gymnos

            Whatever happens, I can’t wait! Great job Alex et al.

          • Thank you, Frater! 🙂

  • Denise Cruz

    I wonder if Fluke will be able to find out where Kyle is, without any help from the others… I know he could simply track the alert signal to find him, but, I also remember he once said that Flyboy was the internet expert there… so…
    Poor baby! He’s so broken… he probably don’t even know what to say to anyone else. I hope Paul can help him and be the helping hand he really needs right now. >~< sighs.

    • yalalala

      I feel like Flyboy is going to have to find out anyway for him to get back home.

      • Would Flyboy be able to carry Kyle back? I wonder what his carrying capacity is.

        • Steven K.

          Computer and tracking skills and flying abilities and hopefully a big enough carrying capacity. Yes, I think he is needed. And what a nice image that would be, for a change, to see Kyle affectionately cradled in his friend’s arms as he is whisked home.

      • Denise Cruz

        Yeah! But, appears to me, that Kyle doesn’t want anyone else but Paul knowing about this, at least, for a while… It’s going to be hard for him…
        Oh, Duncan! Bad bad choice you did there! (mad at him)

    • Steven K.

      Yeah – get Flyboy in on the case.

      • Denise Cruz

        I do believe they won’t have any other choice… at least, not fast enough… (Kyle still needs to tell everyone else about an imminent demons invasion all over the world… assuming that it haven’t started yet.)
        Also, our ‘little Fly’ didn’t seem SOO disturbed about that gay scenes, once he got seeing them on the computer. Maybe he can be a good, discret and quick solution for all this awkward situation in which Kyle is involved right now.
        I really hope so!

  • Vincent

    Yeah, if I had kick ass super powers I would sit at home playing Angry Birds too.

    • Klaus

      Fluke’s powers are not a kind you would use unless you had to.

      • Vincent

        No, Fluke’s powers are not the kind YOU would not use unless you had to. Haha.

  • Zaneta McDonald

    I don’t want to be Kyle at this moment. He has ALOT of explaining to do. :/

  • Ileandra & Raven

    Blimey. Poor thing… how on earth is he going to explain all this? As if it’s not bad enough. 🙁

    • Inuhime

      I wouldn’t even know how to begin to explain it all to my friends.. That’s assuming he tries to explain it all…

  • Cman65

    Please don’t ask me what or why,just come and take me home

  • Kalynn Osburn

    I like Paul. No judgements when they found yGallery.

    • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

      Yeah, Paul seems cool.

      • Kalynn Osburn

        Not as in “Oh they should get together.” But just I feel like Paul is a good person who doesn’t want to see his friends get hurt.

        • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

          Yeah, I get what you mean, he does seem like he’s just a plain good guy who wants his friends to be happy. (Not that I wouldn’t cheer Fluke and Kyle on as a pairing.)

          • Kalynn Osburn

            Really? I have high hopes for Flyboy.

          • Klaus

            If they are in Vermont (where the only Adsit Court known to Google is), that would be legal.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Oh, I like Flyboy too, but he’s 15, so you’d have to figure on another 3 years before they get down and dirty with each other. Fluke’s at least old enough to drive, so probably old enough for he and Kyle to hook up. Unless we see some swift movement through time in TYP, it kind of puts Flyboy out of the realm of possibility for now.

          • Kalynn Osburn

            The way I see it, Kyle is going to need some time before he is anywhere NEAR ready for a relationship. Flyboy on the other hand is at the right age where he is starting to think about his sexuality. Kyle, in a few months when this all dies down, might be just the person to help him through his personal difficulties.

    • SofiaT

      yGallery?

      …you’re saying that sites like that on the interlude exist for real?
      I don’t know why I’m surprised by this. o.O

      • Y!-Gallery (Originally stood for yaoi-gallery) is an 18+ site for all male (drawn) art and fiction, no real life pics/photos allowed. Female characters only allowed in a secondary, non sexual appearence. It’s all over the scale of m/m erotica and also have a LOT of crack pairings, fanart and AU versions of various known characters. ‘Thorki’ and other Marvel characters have been pretty popular on there recently xD
        I’m sure that if TYP was ‘real’ then there would have been at least one group for them on the site. I’ve seen a little fanart of the comic already.

        • SofiaT

          Rule 34. I should have known. *shakes head*

  • Terri Sutton

    Does anyone want to theorise as to the reason for the word “anyone” was emphasised in Kyle’s last question? A couple of different theories are running around my head but I would love to hear what other people are thinking.

    • Klaus

      1 he wants to talk to his friend Paul without anybody else overhearing

      2 he wants to warn as many of the team as possible of the danger at once

      3 he wants to talk to anybody but Paul

      in order of decreasing likelyhood.

      • Terri Sutton

        Numbers 1 and 3 occurred to me simultaneously. But then another thought struck me.
        “Oh god, Paul can’t even delete web browser history, how is he going to track my signal all by himself!”

        • Hikaru Takemori

          I suspect they have a userfriendly programm to do that for them so signals can be traced even if Flyboy is unavaiable(or in need of assistenc himself).

      • Saxon_Brenton

        Depending on where Kyle’s headspace is at, any if those is possible. The other obvious variation on (2) is: there’s a supervillain emergency involving demons, so he wants to talk with Commander or Spooky to get rapid response.

  • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

    I don’t think it’s Winamp, it looks more like Windows Media Player to me… but then, I’m using an absolutely ancient version of Winamp because it’s one of the most stable and least resource intensive, so I could be wrong.

  • Niggle

    I just realized now how appropriately fire filled my night was. Could have used Kyle at the end. I was aiming for 2000F before my shift ended at midnight, but nooooo, the wind kept gusting and messing with the temperature and the kiln stalled at 1900. Would have settled for a wind break, though. Having Kyle would have been a bit difficult to arrange. 😉

    Simple sad page. I like how we only see Kyle in silhouette. I think it mirrors how close and secretive he’s being right now. He really needs help, but not from just anyone. And I’m sure he doesn’t want a big confrontation while he’s still naked and traumatized. He needs to warn them, but damn, he needs at least a few hours to gather his thoughts. I suspect there’s going to be a backlash and certainly a talking to by the commander, and considering what just happened that’s the last thing he needs right now. I hope Fluke can come get him and bring him back discretely. 🙁

    • Steven K.

      “…not from just anyone. And he doesn’t want a big confrontation while he’s still naked and traumatized” and “….that’s the last thing he needs right now” and “…get him and bring him back discretely”.
      My thoughts and feelings EXACTLY at the moment. Why does this hurt me so much? And all the blaming of poor Kyle for what happened to him by some factions – why am I so wounded and frustrated by the victim blaming? All the “he-should-have-known-better” s – so it’s all his fault. It’s like the gal who wears a very short skirt or provocative clothing into a questionable establishment, ends up getting sexually assaulted, and then everyone telling her – well, it’s her fault – she should have known better than to dress like that – and especially dress like that and go into a place like that. The people that then hold her to blame for the atrocity that happens – not the attacker – I find it difficult to abide all that. No one deserves rape or assault or abuse or use against one’s will – no matter who one goes out with or what establishment one visits or how one dresses. And Kyle put much more thought into his situation, etc. than that. To be blamed for the upcoming possible takeover of the earth because of his actions? It’s all because he “let” his evil-intentioned hormones lead him into putting the world at risk? I just don’t know anymore. Why have so many lost compassion, even after going through similar situations? It’s so easy to judge in hindsight. People say they’ve “been there” – learned from their mistakes – they know what needs to be done. Yeah – looking back. But they still made the mistake as well in the first place. One learns from it going forward, one tries not to repeat it, but one should not always be blamed for the error the first time when the true evil and blame should rest in and be reserved for the attacker. Am I really that wrong? I feel crushed for having this opinion. Oh – btw – those questions were not meant specifically for you, Niggle, but your comment offered a bit of a point of departure. Kind of rhetorical anyway. I don’t expect these questions to be resolved.

      • The victim blaming is driving me insane as well.

      • Niggle

        Well said. I haven’t read all the comments, but I read enough of them to hear people complaining about the same thing as you, the victim blaming going on. I don’t like it either. It’s the same as “it’s your fault you believed his lies” “you shouldn’t have trusted him.” But what they’re really saying is “he should have had the knowledge then that I have now.” And I think more than a few of us were duped along with Kyle.

        I think people should go back and reread. Kyle had been deeply skeptical of Anni from the start. He had to work hard to cultivate Kyle’s trust and now we’re blaming Kyle for it? NO NO NO. Kyle had some confidence in Anni maybe turning over a new leaf, the fact that it had been several years since Anni had done anything that got in the news and that was compounded by all the schmoozing and the wooing. Kyle didn’t trust him arbitrarily. And considering that this was Anni’s plan, long in the making and the events manipulated and guided by Anni I don’t see how Kyle can be blamed for a damn thing.

        Hindsight is twenty-twenty, what people are doing is essentially Monday morning quarterbacking, as my mother would say. It’s a very bad place to judge someone from. Hope you feel better.

        • Steven K.

          Hi – I just wanted to say a big THANK YOU for this response and comment – it also summarizes my feelings EXACTLY on the matter and adds some very nice points that deserve emphasis. It does make me feel better to know that there are others who share my point of view, since I’m feeling kind of beat up over it. I don’t think I’m stupid or immature to feel the way I do. I’ve just lived a life where compassion comes a little easier, since I’ve found out that sometimes that’s all we’ve got to sustain us (and, if we’re lucky, a little smoldering of hope as well).

  • Xalun K

    Poor Kyle. Just… poor Kyle. 🙁 My heart hurts for him. I hope he gets to talk to the person he needs to with no fuss; fuss is the very last thing he needs right now.

    I like how the last panel is silhouette – it drives home the point how traumatized Kyle really is and how closed off he’s likely to be, at least at first.

  • Muse

    ugh and now kyle has to deal with this on his birthday?! >.<

  • fujoshifanatic

    Judging from the way Fluke reacted to the fan art he found online, Kyle has reached just the right person he needs to deal with this. Poor baby. I hope Paul takes good care of Kyle while he gets himself together so he can deal with everything he’s learned tonight.

    There’s a quote I found online that I think fits here quite well:

    “Strength through adversity. The strongest steel is forged by the fires of hell. It is pounded and struck repeatedly before it’s plunged back into the molten fire. The fire gives it power and flexibility, and the blows give it strength. Those two things make the metal pliable and able to withstand every battle it’s called upon to fight. (Savitar)”

    This is the ultimate test of your mettle, Kyle; may it serve you well in the battles ahead.

    • Summer

      I love the fact that you just quoted Sherilyn Kenyon at us 😀

      • fujoshifanatic

        🙂 I thought the reference would be appreciated here.

  • Yukiness

    The last two panels are too beautiful for words.

  • Sapfo

    Kyle, so passes another day in your life, never to return. And even if this most likely was one of the worst days in your life. You have to make the best of the ones to come.

  • Frater Gymnos

    i love the fact that he reached out to Fluke. i’d really like to see Fluke and Kyle get together (or at least hook up). I’d be interested in whether Fluke’s family (especially his Mom) would freak out when he shares the news that he’s in love!

    • davefragments

      Kyle wants some good luck to at least get out of where he is and the predicament soon to come.

    • JozefAL

      Maybe I’m misreading it, but IMO it doesn’t necessarily look like he “reached out to Fluke.” Kyle’s words in the last panel do carry an alternate meaning: “Paul, is it just you there? Or is there anyone else?”

      Meaning the first: The one you’re reading. That Kyle called him directly and is asking if Paul’s alone so he can talk to him without anyone else barging in or overhearing.

      Meaning the second: Kyle’s not comfortable talking to Paul about this and is looking to see if someone else is there to whom he can talk.

      While Paul is one of Kyle’s best friends (per the character description sheet), this isn’t necessarily a case where you’d want a best friend’s help or advice (since it’s liable to put a real strain on any friendship, even a very close one). Obviously, the next page will give us a definite answer but, at this point, he may be hoping to talk with someone else.

      • John

        Alternatively he just radio’d into base and Paul was the one who happened to be on duty.

  • Frater Gymnos

    I want to see the embarrassment scene when Fluke gets to watch a naked Kyle get dressed. Lust at first sight! But can Kyle be loved sexually anymore?

    • Steven K.

      That’s actually the first thing that I hope can be avoided now. Maybe Kyle will ask for some clothes and grab them from around the corner or ask Fluke to not come in for a sec or turn around, etc. The one thing I’d rather not have him have to explain is the nakedness and everything right now. If he can be saved even the least bit of shame on top of the rest of the trauma, I’m willing to forgo my own titilation.

    • motordog

      Since Alex said this is the kind of gay story he wanted to read (or words to that effect), I sincerely doubt that he would make Kyle celibate for the rest of his life. Though, once bitten twice shy they say. He’ll need time to heal, of course, but I hope he gets back in the saddle again before the series ends.

      • Steven K.

        Well yeah, me too.

    • SofiaT

      I’ve been meaning to ask… Does your screenname mean “the naked monk”?

      • Frater Gymnos

        Yes. It’s also one of those phrases made up of a Latin word and a Greek word (like “homosexual”). You can probably infer that I’m not ashamed of nudity or of sex. I think of both of those as positives in ways many people don’t.

        • SofiaT

          I don’t mind it either way. I was just wondering if I was seeing things or if that’s what it meant. 🙂

  • Klaus

    Why must I press shift-right arrow twice, or click on last twice, to get to this page?

    • motordog

      The first page is the cover page of Chapter Three. This is the first ‘story’ page of Chapter Three.

      • Klaus

        When I type “y” in my browser, it for some reason suggests Young Protectors chapter 2 page 16. If I then press shift-right arrow to get to the current page , it takes me to chapter 2 page 49. The same thing happens if I press those buttons in the prologue. I go to chapter 2, page 49. To get to the curent page, I have to press shift-right arrow twice.

        • Have you cleared your cache or cookies recently?

          • Klaus

            No. Reloading the page did nothing. Using a different browser makes no difference.

          • SofiaT

            If you press the “last” arrow from a random page it also doesn’t bring you here?

          • Klaus

            No. Chapter 2 page 49. Except for the last pages of chapter 2, starting at page 36. If it was a caching problem, those pages would be no different from earlier pages. Does it work in your browser?

          • SofiaT

            Yep, I haven’t had any problems. I use Safari on my phone and Mozilla on my netbook…

          • Klaus

            So far I have tried in Firefox and Opera.

          • SofiaT

            I still think it must be a browser thing, as nobody else seems to be having a problem, but I’m no computer expert. Sorry I can’t be of any help 🙁

          • Klaus

            It happens every time.l It takes some days for the Last button to discover that there is a new last page.

          • SofiaT

            It takes about an hour for my browser to catch up, certainly not days.

            Maybe go to settings and set your cache to be cleared every half an hour or so? Even if it’s already set to do it automatically, just do it again anyway. Then see if that helps and if not try deleting history etc. We got to use the process of elimination here.

          • Klaus

            Clearing the cache did nothing. I guess I will just have to live with it.

          • SofiaT

            What I do, if that helps, is I have a bookmarked page bar on my Firefox. That’s where I put the bookmarked pages I use the most. Every time there’s a YP update, I delete the bookmark from the previous page and add the new one. That’s very useful for refreshing the page too because sometimes my refresh button gets stuck.

        • Shella_Bluey

          I have similar problems like you on my mobile phone, but on my desktop computer, everything works like it should. Well, sometimes I think computers have a life of their own and they have fun annoying us users. 😉

        • I’ve had the same issue with the last pages. Started around Chap. 2, page 46. Browser first went to previous ‘Last page’, even though that page also had its ‘Latest’ button where you clicked past to the actual last page.
          After clearing my browser (Ctrl. + f5) a few times in a short time on the new page, it basicly stopped on IE – at least till the new page is up and I do this again and it works until next page is up (repeats this). It’s still more tricky on Firefox which I also got installed recently. There I still most often have to do the double ‘Latest’ clicking because the previous page show up first.
          Browser seems to take a lot longer time than usual to catch up, but it’s weird that it has caugh that there IS a newer page but doesn’t open it automaticly.

  • Cat Astrophe

    Oh jeez, poor Kyle. Duncan was the only one who knew about his sexuality and he trusted him, depended on him so much and now… he’s got no one. An entire pillar of his life has just been ripped away and he has no one to tell or explain it too, at least no one he knows he can trust. So he turns to the YP, the only other people (presumably) who have accepted most of him from the get-go. Hopefully they can accept the rest of him, mistakes and all

    • Khun David

      It took me awhile to come out to friends when I was young, and one thing that surprised me at the time was that some said they already knew and were waiting for me to open up to them.

      • motordog

        Sexuality-wise, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if one or more of them say they either knew or at least suspected. Probably not Tsunami…or Flyboy…but Fluke is his closest friend, and Spooky seems pretty much on the ball about things. Commander might know, but I don’t believe it’s because she used her telepathy. She doesn’t feel like the type to pry without good cause.

        • John

          Yeah, I agree. I also agree there’s a good chance Commander, Fluke and possibly spooky already know. You can tell a lot by where a guy chooses to glance.

      • Steven K.

        During the time when you were waiting to feel comfortable enough to “open up to them”, did you feel like you were being dishonest? Many have mentioned the belief that when you have kept your sexuality secret, you are being dishonest. That’s another thing that really hurts and bothers me are such uncharitable views, and the thought that coming out is always the right choice or the right decision at all times for all people, and if someone doesn’t at any point, or if they haven’t, that this is somehow – according to some of the rhetoric I’ve heard – at worst almost tantamount to criminal, or at best certainly one more thing worthy of blame and chastisement and sharp criticism. Perhaps in some form or technical sense it involves an untruth, but I’m not sure that withholding the truth under certain specific circumstances, when repercussions may be too severe or difficult to deal with, is always graduating to the level of dishonesty. Sure, a lot of times we worry too much and it turns out just fine, as is mentioned above. But there are circumstances, when dealing with certain people or employers or governments, that can, if such things have become open, lead to such things as being kicked out of the house and/or disowned by parents and scorned by family, lectured and guilted and brainwashed into believing that one’s immortal soul is going to exist in a state of eternal damnation and hellfire – leading to all kinds of additional psychological and emotional baggage, or very often the loss of a distinguished career (until very recently such things were happening in our own military), or, in some places (and certainly in more places at other times) could have resulted in execution. A number of the comments have stated an opinion that what happened to Kyle is partly due to his dishonesty around not coming out to his friends earlier… I say, give him a break, he’s still only 18, and due to the things that have happened in his past, it may have been a little more difficult for him, as it is for a lot of people in varied circumstances. And one has to be accepting of oneself – be accepting of one’s own sexuality – before you can effectively come out to others. Kyle was just starting to do that. I feel so saddened and hurt when others blame him and put all that on his shoulders as well that his staying in the closet previously helped to accelerate the negative things that happened to him, and that’s just one more mistake he needs to be blamed for and “brought up on charges” for. Seriously??? In a lot of situations and places, actually coming out will get you into a lot more negative situations – suddenly homeless, suddenly unemployed with no means of support (which could also end up in homelessness), suddenly dead (from a gay bashing or even an execution). And all that is not the closeted person’s fault – it is still societies fault, so I’m really getting irritated by that sort of victim-blaming as well. I didn’t come out until I was around Kyle’s age, and didn’t come out to family until much later. They were very accepting for the most part, but, on the other hand, I, personally, just didn’t feel like the details (at least) of my private life were my parents’ business, and I had the type of mother who would ask way too many detailed questions that I just didn’t think were appropriate, just as I didn’t ask about the details of what she and dad did in the bedroom. But, by not wishing to discuss which sex acts I had participated in, and with who, I never felt like I was being DISHONEST. I think that sometimes, withholding one’s sexuality from certain places and in certain contexts and from certain people in general, or more widely, can be seen as similar. And especially for someone still so young and still in the process of coming out to himself and still becoming comfortable with who he is and his own sexuality. C’mon folks, please can we be just a tad bit more charitable and compassionate, not judge in hindsight so much, and realize that not every “coming out shoe” fits everyone at the same time. The guy was working on it, just like he actually attacked and tried to stop Duncan, against all his mental and physical (well, metaphysical) restraints, once he realized the situation. C’mon, the poor kid deserves a lot more credit than many are giving to him. And I’ll say it one more time, hoping that at least the guys might understand (only because I’m not sure how it is for adolescent and post-adolescent women), but he has even refrained from masturbating for 6 years, so that no one would be hurt, sacrificing his own pleasure to protect others (when he could have been finding abandoned buildings or already burned out or fallow fields or desolate urban wastelands to engage in a little release every once in awhile) during probably the most sexually frustrating times of one’s development. Considering that, I still say that’s pretty super-heroic all by itself. As for the rest, he’s still a hero-in-training, people. I think he has, under all his personal pressures and circumstances, being doing one helluva decent job, and no one is going to get me to be so critical of his choices and actions so far.

  • Frater Gymnos

    HiLARious!

  • Sai

    You know, I came for the gay romance angle but I’m totally staying for the plot.

    • Tina

      Though I do miss the gay romance a little now…

      • SofiaT

        *whispers* I’m already missing Duncan.

        *ducks to avoid the stones being thrown at her*

        • Deploy the standard issue umbrella as a shield. 🙂

          • SofiaT

            I don’t think an umbrella woud be very useful. After such a daring statement probably only Cap’s shield would do 😛

          • What do you think the umbrella is made of? 😀 Wouldn’t leave our crew without defenses! It doubles as sword and shield.

          • SofiaT

            An umbrella made out of vibranium! Now that’s a thought…

          • Well, you know, we’re sailing some rough seas these days.

          • It’s definitely not me who has been poking holes in your rubby dinghy!

          • *ducks as David waves the pitchfork around* 😀

          • SofiaT

            We should have built this ship from vibranium too…

          • Yes, yes we should have!

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Well, umbrellas are good for scaring off aggressive monkeys and feral stray dogs, I’m told.

        • Steven K.

          I’m glad he’s no longer tormenting Kyle.

        • Tina

          *whispers back* me too… I’m just hoping he’s not being demoted to just the villain. Like I still have hope me might reform some sort of bond with Kyle

          *epically jumps forward sword raised intent on protecting the last few shippers*

  • IamM

    Note to Kyle: Next time The Annihilator calls you ‘little hero’, set his lungs on fire. He’ll probably heal and you’ll feel a lot better.

    • Wayne Lunkwitz

      Why stop with his lungs? I bet after this last show…..Kyle would be upset enough to set his toes on fire by way of the lungs and anything that gets in the way!
      As for Duncan, being near Kyle as a pissed off fire bug could be very dangerous!

      • Steven K.

        I still say go for his genitals.

        • John

          Carpe Genetalia? 😛

    • Steven K.

      Wow – beautiful and sexy avatar.

  • David Boccabella

    Well – Duncan is still a mysterious character and we don’t know ALL of the reasons for what he did and why he did thing. The demon did call Kyle his ‘son’ so it just might be that Kyle was the only one to get across the dimension barrier. I won”t write Duncan out of the picture just yet – as he said to Kyle there are bigger issues at large.
    Nice to see Kyle called Fluke in his hour of need 🙂

    • Klaus

      I am not convinced that Duncan’s motives were chiefly selfish. He is working hard to convince himself how tough and selfish he is, with limited success. A rock feels no pain.

      • If this was for the greater good, he could have told Kyle before/during the literally hellish experience. Then Kyle might have been able to cling to a teeny tiny shred of hope that might have made the experience bearable. Instead, he had to endure it all believing that billions of people are apparently going to have their souls eaten by Laampros indirectly because of him.

        • Klaus

          He could have tried to keep Kyle’s friendship that way, but he would have failed. Rather than try and fail, he prefers not to try. I am not saying that is how it is. I am saying it could be how it is.

          • I didn’t mean that he should have done all that for the purpose of keeping Kyle’s friendship. Rather, for the purpose of making the experience a tiny bit less traumatic for Kyle.

          • Klaus

            But would it? That requires that Kyle would have believed him. He may even have thought that it would be easier for Kyle to hate him than to pity him.

          • No, it doesn’t require Kyle to have believed him. That’s why I said “Kyle might have been able to cling to a teeny tiny shred of hope.”

            Why would it have made Kyle pity him? That’s going back to the apparent real reason, Duncan’s ageing.

          • Klaus

            It will be interesting to see what it is that is going on unnoticed, and what Duncan plans to do about it.

          • Steven K.

            Nice discussion guys.

        • Steven K.

          That’s my feeling on the situation as well.

  • Wayne Lunkwitz

    Kyle might just be calling for “a ride home” and possibly a change of clothes….I think there will be more to this when he gets back home.

  • stickfigurefairytales

    “This is going to be kind of a long story.”

  • Robert Snyder

    fgdshkljsdhljdlsfhj;dfjh;djsh i… I have so many feelings about this right now T_T

  • Soubi

    Oh, Kyle 🙁 My heart hurts, Alex. STOP IT.

  • Kuraen

    ;_; to this and the last page.

  • How on earth is he going to start to explain this? There will be pity in their eyes for him for weeks if not months.

  • Eight_Rule_Pig

    Man, I’ve seen the walk of shame before, but this is gonna be brutal.

    Kyle needs to butch up in a hurry here. Just nonchalantly be like “It was a booty call, fool. Don’t hate the playa, hate the game.”

  • John

    It may not be the answer, but it’s something to do while looking for the answer

    • Steven K.

      At least in this particular case.

      • John

        Yes, an important addendum. I in no way endorse violance generally, but only upon those who seduce and betray people on the date of their 18th birthday while simultaneously endangering 9/10 of the world

  • Monica

    *sits down in front of the monitor, with chocolate and tea and just WAIT for this to ride through…* <3 <3 <3

    • La Belle Gigi

      *brings over the electric kettle and a platter of grilled turkey breast and cheese sandwiches cut into triangles*

      • SofiaT

        Hazelnut latte anyone?

        • La Belle Gigi

          Ooh, yes please. *gets another platter of veggies and dips*

          Variety. I loves it.

          • SofiaT

            Ok. Let me go bring the scones then.

      • Monica

        *shares my chocolate*

  • Jackal

    I’m just gonna say, if this was *my* closeted friend who admitted everything to me, I’d keep it a fucking secret if I had to, and probably only say, “I told you so,” about fifty percent of a time. Poor lil’ Kyle.

  • Jackal

    Violence is not the answer. It is a question. The real answer is far more terrifying.

  • Brent S

    I’m sorry, but I’m not upset with Duncan, he’s a supervillian. Playing psychological mind games is what they do. I blame Kyle for not being way more suspicious. And I really hope we get to see some romance going on inside the group now.

    • Xalun K

      Kyle is young, naive, and terrified of being openly gay. He found someone who he thought understood him and his naivety got the better of him. I don’t blame him for that, nor do I blame Duncan for being a villain. Why play the blame game at all; why not just be sad for Kyle, and leave it at that?

      • Brent S

        Yeah, that was a terribly worded response. My bad. Focusing on blame was not my point. I did a bad job of bringing up the question “Why was Kyle not better prepared for a classic case of deceit from a supervillian?” I find it hard to chalk it up to naivety, given that in a world with leagues of supervillians, their regular use of deceit would be well-known.

      • Steven K.

        OK – another hug for that!

        • Xalun K

          *HUG* I just… fictional or not, I get attached easily (as do some of the others here, obviously) and as fun as it can be to theorise or say, ‘I wish so-and-so would get his ass kicked,’ or whatever else we do here, it’s hard to see this happen and *not* be sympathetic, *especially* when Kyle’s still more-or-less a kid. Turning 18 doesn’t automatically grant you the mentality of an adult, and too many people here don’t understand that. 18 is still so very, very young.

          • Steven K.

            Totally agree.

    • motordog

      I hear what you’re saying, and I sort of understand…but I can’t find it in myself to ‘blame’ Kyle…it’s that whole “blame the victim” thing I just can’t get around. Besides, Kyle’s an inexperienced kid; he was suspicious to start, how is he supposed to even know to be ‘more’ suspicious?

      • Xalun K

        I wish I could upvote this more than once. I hate victim blaming.

        • motordog

          Me too…but despite my affection for the lad, he shouldn’t be let off totally guilt free. Yes, he’s young and scared (at least concerning the whole sexuality thing), but he kept a very, very dangerous secret from people who deserved to know. Intent does hold a lot of weight with me, and Kyle never intended to harm anyone…but as someone once said, “with great power comes great responsibility”.

          Don’t worry, Commander will sort it all out. 🙂

          • Steven K.

            Oh – I’m sure he is feeling a LOT of guilt. I think his own conscience will punish him plenty, just like mine does even when I end up hurting someone I don’t like – I wish I could be able to gain some retribution in those cases where I def. feel it is just and warranted without feeling guilty about it afterwards – it’s a weird mixture of feeling strength and weakness at the same time.

        • Steven K.

          I’ll upvote your comment about wishing to upvote more than once. It brightens and lifts my heavy heart to hear so many of y’all rallying around for Kyle (esp. while I was gone for the day – it was really nice not having to step in and make MY argument again against the whole “blame-the-victim” mentality and the additional reasons why it shouldn’t apply to Kyle or why I believe there were extenuating circumstances in his case and it was really not as much his fault.

      • SofiaT

        I didn’t want to get into this debate but I feel I need to add this: Kyle is a hero and as a hero he always tries to see the best in people.

        Were the decisions Kyle took “logical”? No. Is there a way he could have predicted or suspected something bad might happen if he went on a date with a supervillain? Yes. I can really see why there is a number of people who “blame” him (although I think that’s the wrong word to use, I don’t think anyone really blames Kyle for any of this). I can see where they’re coming from.

        But I, for one, admire Kyle for not judging Duncan from what he had heard about him and what names other people called him, but wanting to see for himself. This is what makes Kyle so special, what makes him the right material for a great hero to rise from. His purity and his trust that there is good in everyone, is what makes him who he is.

        These are my 2 cents and now I’m going away 🙂

        • motordog

          Agreed…’blame’ and ‘accountability’ are not quite the same thing. For me, blame carries a connotation of shaming, while being accountable is more like ‘standing up, accepting consequences, and seeking to fix your mistakes’. It’s a narrow distinction, but still. 🙂

          • SofiaT

            “Accountability”.

            Yes. That’s the word I was looking for.

            Btw, good to have you back, @disqus_CJJr2XlsCT:disqus, you’ve been missed 🙂

          • motordog

            ^_^
            I pop in every now and then! You know I’ll be here at least twice a week if not more! The rest of the time is spent combing the beaches, looking for driftwood from the wreck of the Redilator so we can build our escape raft…we’ll certainly want it done by the end of Chapter 5!

          • SofiaT

            Fluctual nec mergitur!
            I’m still on the deck. 😀

          • We’re a submarine now, you may want to come inside. 😀

          • SofiaT

            Duh, you forget that my super-power is being able to breathe under water!! 😀

          • HA! Silly me. Just keep the giant squids from attacking while you’re out there. 😛

          • Steven K.

            I guess that makes Admiral Jane the “Captain Nemo” of the vessel.

          • Feverfew_M

            Uh oh, I’m a bit claustrophobic, I’ll just keep clinging to the periscope…

          • Hmm. We’ll stick to the surface for now and just employ the stealth shield. Will that work?

          • Feverfew_M

            Yep, fine with me! 😀

          • *deploys stealth shield* Just make sure to keep the mirrors clean. 😀

          • Hikaru Takemori

            Ha, just because only a few parts of the Redilator can still be seen above waterline doesn’t mean it has already sunk. It means that we are working on converting it into an submarine ^^. Isn’t that right @admiraljane:disqus?

          • HA! Yes, we are working upon a submarine conversion! Smart sailor!

          • Hikaru Takemori

            Thanks, I’m doing my best. Besides, that way evading Team Pitchfork will be easier.

          • *says nothing* *watches* *smirks*

          • *watches pitchfork* *sneakily files down points* 😀

          • Sadly for you, I sharpen the points daily! You would too, if you had That Ass as your target. Otherwise, it’s like trying to breach a castle wall with a cucumber.

          • HA! I suppose you have a supply of pitchforks too?

          • Can we buy in bulk? 😀

          • I’m sure there is a farm supply that would accommodate such a thing. But would ordering a container of pitchforks alert some sort of authority?

          • Only Shipper’s Security Inc.

          • Or possibly Muffin Actuary & Co

          • It’s true @David_Rose:disqus, an accurately thrown muffin could blunt even the sharpest pitchfork, thus limiting it’s DAT ASS piercing abilities. It would be a delicious pitchfork though.

          • Is he saying the muffins are stale?

          • Steven K.

            Not sure – sounds like he doesn’t know what the consistency of a good muffin should be like – sounds like he imagines they are soft enough to be pierced by the end of the tines, but suddenly set up like quick-drying concrete.

          • Now that should be a thing. Haha!

            Take that Team Pitchfork, I have quick drying cement muffins to ruin your pitchforks!

          • No wonder Duncan is a villain! I never realized. He can’t breach his castle wall with a cucumber (I’m assuming he’s tried all the right lubes). So that proves that either he’s NOT gay… or he HAS justifiable reason for his crankiness.

            Good catch there oh pronged one!

          • I bit my tongue on that one. 🙂

          • HA! That’s what he said too…

          • *snicker*

          • Noooeeee… those melt too quickly… cucumbers work better…

          • And why ruin a perfectly good snickers bar?

          • Point and match! Thank you good Admiral.

          • Woohoo!

          • Steven K.

            That’s for sure.

          • Steven K.

            I’m not sure one would want their castle wall breached with a cucumber – unless someone has made sure to scrub off all those tiny white spikes they have – ribbing or knobs are one thing, but spikes, no matter how small, can be problematic. Lots of similar issues with corn cobs. Carrots are likely safe-enough and easy-entry. Case is still out on bananas – ideally shaped when peeled, but too soft and squishy to be of any use; nice and firm enough with the peel, but maybe a tad uncomfortable. Of course all of this is second-hand opinion or speculation on my part, since I’m more apt to do the breaching than get breached.

          • Hikaru Takemori

            Smirk all you want, the last laught has yet to come.

          • Steven K.

            HA! That’s a good one.

          • In a very small secreted inlet, hidden from the sight of most major fishing fleets and container tankers headed in from China, is a super secret cove. Secret, except to a dedicated group of Shippers. When their electronic equipment tells them they are safe from the government’s orbiting satellites, they scurry from their jungle cover and camouflaged tents and head for the beach and lagoon to locate and drag back yet another piece of the of the once proud Redilator to a hidden place of safety.

            The crafty Shippers, hoping to avoid the pointy pitchforks and torches of the villagers of EODA (Enemies of DAT ASS), amidst much Sturm und Drang, pretended to their own dissolution. Oh there was much false protestation of woe is me, wailey, wailey, Duncan is certainly irredeemable now…

            BUT did they really believe this or, like their rotten horrible, irredeemable, stinky, lying, abusive, (WHAT? oh sorry…) leader Duncan, was it all a clever ruse?

            Time will tell. In the meantime, they continue to resurrect the Redilator, while watching the skies. For the moment they think they are safe.

            Yet high high in the sky, untraceable by human technology, a giant naked eyeball (named George) silently drifts away, having seen all he needs to. Off he drifts to find and report to his master.

            Oh, but there’s more, from a small jungle redoubt on a nearby mountaintop Flyboy, waits until the coast is clear and flies off to report the creepy eyeball and the Shippers strange activities to the Commander.

            Flyboy shakes his head. Adults are sooooo odd.

            Clearly events are afoot!

          • I love you Chris!

          • *smiles*

          • motordog

            Gah! You’ve revealed the secrets! Now we must abort and flee to our base on the Moon! 🙂

          • HA FIRE UP THE ROCKETS!

            *wait this could be another ruse… chris goes to open a good bottle of vino and ponder…*

          • Steven K.

            But did you notice that some of the hardy Redilator passengers (now castaways?) seem to be swimming over to where a new craft is being constructed, but they haven’t been quite able to fashion the right name to christen it with. I think I’ve heard something being bantered around like RedFluke, HotFluke, Pyle?? I’m still waiting for the FlyHot to be be built. Id like the partners to have similar levels of intimate experience, if I can’t have the May(March?)-December romance I was hoping for with K. and D.

          • Steven K.

            Sturm und Drang! 🙂

          • For you!

          • Steven K.

            Thanks for this too!

        • Steven K.

          Hey Sofia – Thanks for this wonderful comment as well – it made me cry, in a good way this time – I was so happy with what you said and the beautiful way that you said it, and adding your voice in Kyle’s defense in such a lovely and kind and gracious way. (Especially when I know how much of a Duncan-supporter you are.) I know I’m giving out a lot of virtual hugs at the moment, but you should get a super-hero size one as well for this comment. I am just so proud of so many of you saying all the right things as to why it would be inappropriate to “blame” Kyle so harshly. I know you were keeping track of the debate I was having with one of our “colleagues”/”peers”/fellow commentators on this subject the night this page was posted, and that it got a little heated, and I guess I had to be chastised for using a couple of those “you” statements (I just wasn’t thinking that I was using them in “attack” mode, but I see how one needs to be very careful and avoid such things so they won’t be interpreted in that way – I’d like everyone to know that I certainly never intended to be threatening or accusatory or a put-down in any way, just part of my attempt at debating a hot issue and feeling that my own feet were to the coals, though I know I should have expressed a couple things in a somewhat more discreet manner). In any case, I know that you were moderating and had read all or most of the threads (because you mentioned that you did), and you also commented a little as well at that time about not thinking that there should be so much blame heaped on Kyle and that he did nothing wrong. I am so proud of the courage that I see in so many here today stepping up and making it so that I don’t have to re-join that debate again – and you all have done the most exemplary job in making all the points I would have made, and some really good ones I may not have thought to include. I was really worn out and fatigued regarding that issue, and yes, a little peeved at having to keep arguing my point and the subtleties of various related aspects of that whole discussion. I didn’t want to risk saying anything inappropriate again (though definitely now making sure to skirt ANY ‘you” construction – unless it’s positive I’ll assume), so I was feeling very reluctant to get involved again. But because of the goodness and understanding and intelligent analysis and big-heartedness and graciousness and charitableness and wisdom and astuteness of so many of you all tonight, I didn’t have to! THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH for not only coming to the defense of our RedHot “little hero”, but for doing so with so many intelligent and rational and well-thought out reasons and explanations why that would be appropriate, and for also joining with me that “blaming the victim” is not cool. And thank you especially, Sofia, for your careful and understanding moderation Saturday morning (EST) as well as for deciding to chip in these couple cents here. You also added some other aspects for which I can and should appreciate Kyle, that even I had not thought about – particularly the fact that he himself did NOT judge Duncan so harshly, only on the basis of general or standard opinion – that he wanted to and tried to research things and ffind out himself, and that he was willing and gracious enough and kindhearted enough to give even someone like Anni the benefit of the doubt from what he found. The only thing I might except from your statement is that I think his decision was actually more logical than you or many might have thought, given the circumstances (especially his take on the chances of meeting other fire-proof reasonably attractive entities with whom he might have even the chance of some intimacy, after six years of “holding off” on even so much as a self-induced orgasm, let alone getting a little of that sort of affection from another human being, after what must have been many lonely years with loss of family and being physically alone, etc. I think Kyle made a rational and cogent and – for me – at least somewhat logical cost-benefit analysis and risk assessment before making his choice). In any case, however, your words were quite beautiful and touched my heart. Thanks again.

      • Steven K.

        Thank you and hugs to you too motordog for your comment – I’m really happy a number of you have also decided to speak up in Kyle’s defense and against “victim-blaming”, but also stating all the right reasons why we should not feel like this toward Kyle under his circumstances (though we should try not to do in in general either).

    • dereule101

      Kyle started out as being suspicious – even hostile. Duncan purposefully manipulated him in numerous ways, with tactics even as convoluted as setting up an ostensibly organic situation in which he “proved” his trustworthiness, mercy, and honor. Duncan also manipulated Kyle into thinking that it was unlikely that he could ever find anyone else physically capable of having sex with. So I won’t blame Kyle. Not even a tad. Kyle may have been naive, gullible, vulnerable, trusting, whatever- Duncan was none of those things and made the conscious decision to take advantage.

      • Saxon_Brenton

        I was thinking along pretty much the same lines. If anything, I’d go further: the info that Kyle unearthed about Duncan having stopped with the overt villainy roughly six years ago tentatively indicates that this plan and trap was being laid a very long time ago. I any case, Kyle doesn’t seem to be either a paranoid or a experienced and jaded veteran to see through that level of deceit. I am somewhat disappointed that he didn’t think to give a heads up to any of the others (even Fluke, as one of his best friends) – but I’m guessing that his concerns about his sexuality that led to him being closetted in the first place meant he kept his personal life close to his chest.

        That said, a though occurs to me as I write this: how cool would it be for the next page to start with Kyle saying, “The cake has gone off. You were right, I was wrong, and we’ve got a full supervillain emergency here. Can you get Spooky or the Commander on the line?”

        • That would be extremely cool!

        • Steven K.

          Thank you for the “going further” in your comment. I agree. Hugs to you as well.

        • dereule101

          That would be *perfect.*

          • Saxon_Brenton

            After a little bit of further thought, it would also be a work-around for Anni’s “I had to gain your unconditional trust, because that was the only way the spell would only work” limitation. The idea of Kyle having had prearranged backup is something that has always appealed to me, but which I had had more-or-less shrugged and given up on. But Kyle going along with it because his friends insisted – even if he doubted it would be necessary prior to the big second date, and definately didn’t believe it necessary by the time Anni got him into bed – would work. And better yet, any other character in this situation would be anxiously asking Kyle whether he was all right. But Fluke’s idiosyncraticly happy outlook means he’s going to be casual about enquiring how things wnet, whatever the actual outcome.

            Actually, that leads to another, rather darker thought. There’s been a lot of guesses about which of Kyle’s teammates would be supportive or condemnatory. I have no doubt Fluke would be supportive once he finds out how Kyle is feeling. But… Given how Fluke’s perpetually happy behaviour is perfectly understandable if you understand his power but bizarely Pollyana-ish if you don’t… Are we going to have a scene where Fluke finds out what has happened to Kyle, and we see him have to pause and deliberately change mental gears simply to be able to express the type of sympathy that we would expect from someone encountering another person in emotional pain? It occurs to me that Fluke’s outlook might mean he has had to work at mastering certain social interactions. Extrapolating to the logical extreme: he might come to very close to a Candide’s Dr. Pangloss with a “best of all possible worlds” outlook, and maybe even theodicies about the problem of evil in general.

            [blinks] Okay, even for someone whose astrological sign is chocolate, I think that last paragraph indicates that I’m operating on too much of a sugar high at the moment…

          • I was about to ask, why is Fluke being so cheerful when on the screen the call coming in is on an encrypted emergency line. Surely they don’t just use those for every day communication or on any given lark.

          • Steven K.

            Very good question – he does seem rather overly nonchalant.

          • I suspect that what Commander would want the encrypted emergency line to be restricted for, and what the boys’ use of it is, are slightly different,

          • You have a point (ha!). Young men (young individuals period) are not known for their diligence of following such protocol.

            Probably use it to plan their poker nights.

      • Steven K.

        I wholeheartedly agree with you. Thank you and hugs for your comment.

  • SofiaT

    Hi Pierre!

    I do agree with all your points: fantastic comic? Ticked! Addicted? Ticked! Want more pages? Ticked! 😀

    Oh, and about the last one: don’t worry, we’re currently in the process of creating the technology for cloning Alex, Adam and Veronica. That is our evil masterplan for getting pages more often. Mwa haha.

    If you wish to translate pages into French btw, just send Alex an email (http://webcomics.yaoi911.com/email-alex/) and he will set you up with an account. 🙂

    Welcome to the comment section, Pierre! I do hope we’ll see more of you here!

    • Denise Cruz

      Hi, Sofia!!

      Do you think Alex will ever try to translate it into Portuguese? ‘Cause I’d love helping him with it, too! 😀

      I’m currently translating some manga with a group of friends, and I love doing it! 😉

      • SofiaT

        Only one way to find out, ask him! 🙂

        • Denise Cruz

          I will! 😉

  • SofiaT

    Hm. I do have problems with the archives page sometimes.

  • motordog

    I guess we’ll see a mix of concern or pity for Kyle, disbelief and shock at the totally unforeseen course of events, and (yes) anger at Kyle’s actions.

    My intuition tells me that Tsunami will probably be the heavy of the group…he seems like the most ‘frowny’ of the guys.

    Commander will no doubt be angry as well, but she’s also the den mother, so she’ll probably be much angrier with Anni for messing with one of her boys. If she uses her telepathy on Kyle to get the whole story, I’m pretty sure she’ll be able to work some up a good amount of pity for Kyle as well.

    • Denise Cruz

      Great comment!!
      I hope you are right about the ‘good amount of pity’ thing… although, I wish they wouldn’t show it so directly… It wouldn’t be very pleasant or enjoyable for Kyle.

  • Just wondering, but is this the fastest the donation bar has been filled?

    • SofiaT

      Nah, I’ve often seen the donation bar tip over right after Saturday’s update… Sometimes even right after Wed/day’s!

      • Ah, I came upon this comic not that long ago….I think around page 44…so I wasn’t sure. The last few came pretty close to the cut off, so this one getting filled that fast kind of pleasantly surprised me.

        • Sometimes there has been enough donations to ‘earn’ two bonus pages within a week so we were a week ‘ahead’ for a bonus page coming for a while (if you get what I mean) – sometimes already knowing that there would be a page two wednesdays forward.

          • How many times has this happened?

          • Hmm.. maybe a couple of times in the time Alex has made TYP, but then it lasted for a while because there was also enough donated for a bonus page the following week. Donations came fast around the time of early chapter 2 and when the kickstarter was on, so the bonus pages stayed a page ahead for a while. Basicly until the end of the kickstarter where people spend their monet there instead 🙂

          • Saxon_Brenton

            Hmm. Two factors to take into account. The first is what pages have had the donation bar max out at $400 relatively quickly. That’s actually easy enough to find out as a matter of hard record: by scrolling back through the pages, finding what pages have had an update from Alex, and then comparing the original posting date of the page on the one hand with the date and time of edit announcing that we’ve clocked the donations on the other. A quick check back through about thirty pages or so revelaed a few instances where the bar clocked on the same day.

            The second and far more nebulous factor is whether the donations bar was already at a high number already when the new page was posted, and hence didn’t have very far to travel. IIRC this page was around $100 and zoomed up the rest of the way very quickly (it was about $120 when I donated on Sunday morning, Australian EDST, approximately 14 hours after the posting). But unless someone’s been keeping records, there’s no real way of determining whether that’s the most impressive most-amount-of-money-in-the-shortest-amount-of-time-to-clock-the-donations-bar example the Young Protectors has experienced.

          • SofiaT

            That was such a well-thought-out and almost mathematical in its logic comment! And with that hat on your avatar, two words popped into my head: Phileas Fogg. 😀

          • Saxon_Brenton

            [sketches a bow] And yet despite all that you’d never guess that most of the time I’m maths-phobic, would you. 🙂

          • SofiaT

            Nope! And I thought I would know a fellow maths-phobic anywhere. You Sir, fooled me completely.

          • Klaus

            Alex often includes the status of the donation bar in the text he posts woth the comic. E.g. when this page was posted, the bar stood at $154.

          • Saxon_Brenton

            Ah, very good point. I had overlooked that.

          • Sapfo

            Dont really know, but when Artifice was really going hot it felt like the donation bar was ronding itself all the time.

        • Saxon_Brenton

          [repost; apologies for any duplication]

          Two factors to take into account. The first is what pages have had the donation bar max out at $400 relatively quickly. That’s actually easy enough to find out as a matter of hard record: by scrolling back through the pages, finding what pages have had an update from Alex, and then comparing the original posting date of the page on the one hand with the date and time of edit announcing that we’ve clocked the donations on the other. A quick check back through about thirty pages or so revealed a few instances where the bar clocked on the same day.

          The second and far more nebulous factor is whether the donations bar was already at a high number already when the new page was posted, and hence didn’t have very far to travel. IIRC this page was around $100 and zoomed up the rest of the way very quickly (it was about $120 when I donated on Sunday morning, Australian EDST, approximately 14 hours after the posting). But unless someone’s been keeping records, there’s no real way of determining whether that’s the most impressive most-amount-of-money-in-the-shortest-amount-of-time-to-clock-the-donations-bar example the Young Protectors has experienced.

  • SofiaT

    H Brent,

    Welcome to the comment section!

    You may have noticed that your posts don’t get published immediately -that’s because your email address hasn’t been verified with Disqus 🙂

    I’m on my way to work now so I won’t be able to approve of your comments immediately and Admiral Jane, our other Mod, may not be available for a while. So if you wish to continue this debate, maybe you’d like to verify your email? 🙂

    Again, welcome to the fandom!

    • Brent S

      Thanks. I was wondering about the delay. Just verified my email.

    • Sofia T, Admiral Jane……I am being considered being added as a Mod for EMR. ^_^

      • You up for it?

        • I believe so. ^_^

          • The hardest part is knowing when to step in and when not to and then hoping you make the right call. Other than that, just have fun. 🙂

          • motordog

            As a bonus, this fandom seems very civilized. 🙂

          • That is very true!

          • Well, there is a lot less commenting on EMR, it doesn’t have quite the traffic TYP does. (I am still plugging EMR when I can, it is a great comic and the art is gorgeous. Great characters, very moving.) I think themice just wants someone that can help take care of the “in moderation” comments while she is away. Which is fine.

            Her hands and up close eyes are simply gorgeous. It is done with pencil, which I don’t think is done much. It is called Elan Meets Rafa and it is a very moving story. http://elanmeetsrafa.com/the-comic

          • Denise Cruz

            OH! Thanks! I was dying to read this story, but each time I saw the ad, I couldn’t get in! So glad you put the link here!! 😀

          • No problem. ^_^ I include a link almost every time I mention EMR.

          • SofiaT

            And now you got me hooked. It’s getting close to midnight, need to be up at 6am but there’s no way I’m going to bed before I finish it. *sigh*

          • Hikaru Takemori

            I know that feeling.

          • ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^ ^_^

          • SofiaT

            Stop smiling. I went to work after only 5 hours of sleep.

            I blame you. 😛

          • I gladly accept all the blame. ^_^ I have gone to work with no sleep more than once, it isn’t so bad. ^_^ And 5 hours is better than none. ^_^

          • Isn’t the art gorgeous and the story moving?

          • SofiaT

            It is. I love how she uses nuances to convey emotions -like focusing on the hands. I love those panels. Hands can be very expressive.

          • I am thinking that I should suggest all those that developed a hand fetish from Starfighter read EMR.

          • Sofia… “expressive?” Didn’t you mean SEXY. Hands are SEXY. I think it was just late and you were sleepy and got your words confused. Don’t worry, I promise to make sure you get these things worked out expressive SEXY.

            Don’t worry… we’re here to help. 😛

          • Steven K.

            Like the hands on Michelangelo’s David? – OMG – I’ve always found those hands sexy as hell- esp. the one that’s down to his side, gently resting against his upper thigh.

          • SofiaT

            Ha, hands can be sexy, I agree. But in the case of EMR it really is all about emotions. It’s beautiful in its simplicity really. 🙂

          • You are so right. I love that Doki has turned me on to EMR. I love that about this Group. I’m all subscribed for updates. Emotion is the way to describe that one. However, I do find myself drifting off into fantasy-land when I see hot male hands. I missed a bunch of questions in school due to that. LOL.

          • Denise Cruz

            I’m sooo in love with EMR, too!!! ^v^ Already read it all and can’t wait ’till next update!!

          • Two pages every Wednesday.

          • Denise Cruz

            I’ll be there! For sure! 😉

          • The easier part of being a Mod, freeing the trapped comments. 🙂 And I’m sure it’s the same for Sofia, that it feels good to help out the artist, especially one you respect and enjoy.

          • SofiaT

            Yep, I like the “being helpful to the creator and the fandom” part a lot but not so much the “being stern” part 😀
            Thankfully there’s not often reason for the latter in this forum 🙂

          • Exactly so!

          • I am a happy “squeee”-ing Dokidokibaka right now.

          • SofiaT

            Congrats then! I’m sure you’ll do a great job 🙂

          • ^_^

  • Hi Jena!
    If you verify your email with Discus, your comments will show right away, otherwise they get stuck in moderation and have to be approved.

    • Jena

      Hey! I know I’ve seen a couple posts about that on other peoples posts. I unfortunately can’t find the email to verify through. Is there any ways to get it recent? or another way to verify?

      • You need to go through your discus profile. Click on your name and then hit edit. It should then take you to your “dashboard” where you can then verify the email and other various edits.

  • Denise Cruz

    OR they’ll want to kill him for being so näive AND unlucky! >~< (Not literally, of course!)

    • motordog

      If Fluke had the kind of night Kyle had, imagine the charge of bad luck that would bring…he’d be able to beat Anni with one finger!

      • Denise Cruz

        I’m kind of torn between the wish that it had happened and the gratitude ’cause it didn’t… >~<

      • Steven K.

        Ha! Interesting thought.

  • SofiaT

    Awesome!

    Um, about the clones, we’re still on the “R” part of the R&D so it might take a while. 😛

    But! As soon as we have developed the clones, we’ll become like the evil Noneco corporation and put them to work day and night, with no concern for their feelings, for our reading pleasure. Mwa ha ha.

    • Hikaru Takemori

      I Think weneed to talk about the “putting them to work with no concern for their feelings” thing. Afterall, constant pressur without phases to relex will only result in reduced quality of the product. And I think we all agree that quality comes before quantity.

      • SofiaT

        You have a point. We’ll have to deliberate.

        • What we do is have them on shifts. So much time per each trio before they rest and the next trio picks up.

          • SofiaT

            Yes, but won’t that affect their creative ability? We will need to nurture their spirit in some way or the product they will deliver will be of a much lower quality, Hikary is right.

            I propose building facilities like on the movie The Island and never letting them know that they’re clones.

          • That could work. Although, they might all put out the same pages and then what would we do?

            We could offer bonuses. A trip to Disneyland plus $200 in spending money. My SIL got just such a bonus from her work.

          • SofiaT

            “Although, they might all put out the same pages and then what would we do?”
            ….
            Dammit. Back to the drawing board. >:(

          • We’re stuck with working in shifts I think. Just give them long rest periods and fun activities to keep the recharged.

  • You’re very welcome, Pierre! I’m very glad you’re enjoying The Young Protectors! (Nice to hear it’s become an “addicition”… 😉 )

    And yep, reaching out to me via email was the right thing to do re: translations. I’ve responded to that with the next step. (I got behind a bit on updating the reader translations, but expect to catch up over the Thanksgiving break.)

    As for this discussion of cloning below… Hmmm…………..

  • Eight_Rule_Pig

    I’m hoping that Kyle’s signalling device, the Annihilator’s smartphone, and the YP computer both have all the internet capabilities that I would assume they do.

    Annihilator_Official (@DunkinWell) tweeted; This is some
    BULLSHIT, you go to a business meet up and this guy cuts some occult shit into
    your skin and threatens to kill you #lamprosisadick #occupytheamericas

    -RedHot
    (@RHYP) tweeted; @DunkinWell Yeah, you really have a lot of reasons to feel
    betrayed.

    – Annihilator_Official
    (@DunkinWell) tweeted; @RHYP Don’t be airing my business on twitter, skype me
    with that shit.

    -Hunter
    (@hunterkilla) tweeted; Breaks my heart.

    – Annihilator_Official
    (@DunkinWell) tweeted; @hunterkilla, you ain’t even a man, you went out like a
    bitch in HK, a kid with a 2×4 took you out and ganked your piece.

    -Hunter (@hunterkilla) tweeted:
    @DunkinWell That was a sucker punch, that shit don’t count. Step to me like a
    man you get beat like a man, anytime, punk.

    -PlatinumPriestess (@plattitude)
    tweeted: @DunkinWell I heard the deal was you sell your soul to lampros for an
    eternal supply of product for that nappy ass head of hair and the ability to
    grow a moustache.

    -Annihilator_Official (@DunkinWell)
    tweeted; @plattitude lol, you know you wrong for that, trick.

    Annihilator_Official (@DunkinWell) tweeted; Heads up; Apocalypse Now (Annihilator
    Megamix) will be THE dancefloor crusher of 2013.

  • Oh damn. Just got a text from my internet supplyer. There will be updates happening between 2-3am = a couple hours before I camp next time. It better not be dragging out so I don’t have a connection when I get up early to camp.
    I’m really gonna need that camp wednesday morning (my time) to distract me. Was just told that our old family cat will take his last journey to the vet wednesday before noon ;_; It was expected to happen soon because he’s been getting sick, but it’s still sad to lose a long time pet.
    Right now I don’t care if the next page will be as sad as this hints, I just need something else to focus on that morning.

    • *hugs* We’re here for you Danish. Losing a pet is a sad thing.

    • SofiaT

      I’m so sorry to hear that Danish. 🙁
      I lost my dog, Hector, last year so I know how painful it is losing a pet. *hugs*

    • Kate G

      Poor Danish. I’m so sorry. I know that feeling all too well. *big hugs*

    • I’m so very sorry, Danish. Been there. *Hug*

  • Serifeen

    Kyle: Let’s see… I will tell you everything- i will just leaf out one litte Detail…
    The one thing about the >son<…
    Just to give you a surprise effect towards the end of the Story.. to loose your trust in me aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand make me desperate…
    ;DDDD

  • Jeanie

    Oh, my goodness. I am praying that Paul isn’t a jackass and acts like the good friend Kyle needs right now. Also, I’m ready to find out what happens next, but I really want to get to the bottom of this “Luke, I am your father” stuff. Like, how did that even happen? Oh, my God, I can’t take it.

  • Sometimes, on occasion, it takes a second shot at verification.

  • GingerChris86

    I Want to camp, but Worktime finishes in 5 minutes, which means I’m likely to be driving home when it posts 🙁

    • SofiaT

      Update day is tomorrow.
      You may catch the camping after all! 🙂

      • GingerChris86

        Yay for being a day ahead in my mind 🙁

        • It’s okay. I rarely know what day it is. The only way I know that it is Tuesday or Friday is seeing if the camping has started here yet.

        • SofiaT

          We’re all in a hurry for the new page *pats back*

        • I’ve been there.

        • davefragments

          Some days are like that.

  • SofiaT

    So… Um, Paul is pretty fit, huh?

    • Soooo, you saw that too then? 😀

      • SofiaT

        Maaaaybe…

        • It’s always posssible I did too.

          • SofiaT

            I had a thought actually. If those who think that Kyle is asking to talk to anyone but Fluke at the moment are right… is there a chance that the reason is that Kyle has a crush on him and doesn’t want him -more than anyone else- to know what happened?

          • That’s an interesting thought. It wouldn’t surprise me. Who hasn’t had a crush on a friend and if he does have one on Fluke, no he wouldn’t really want him to know exactly what he had been up to.

    • Klaus
      • Probably needs to be with his source of power.

        • SofiaT

          Good point.

          • Although, I would almost think it dangerous to work out? The accidents that can happen… But then again, maybe that’s a good source of charging up the good luck?

          • SofiaT

            I haven’t given a lot of thought on how Fluke’s powers work. I wonder if something bad happens to him before he needs good luck to save someone. So accidents are sort of a “bat-signal” that let him know his help will be needed somewhere soon.

            And if that’s not how it works… does all the good luck he gains for other people get “stored” somewhere till it’s needed or does it get lost if not used in a certain timeframe? Because having bad things happen to you all the time and not being able to help someone with them, sucks.

          • Those are all good questions. I think, if we go by Chapter 1, that he stores up the bad luck and turns it to good luck. Since he had crashed his car earlier that day…

            But does it also work in the opposite, if he has a bunch of good luck, will it then turn into bad mojo?

      • SofiaT

        Yep, I read the “cheat sheet” the other day. But “hearing” that someone is the fittest of the group and “seeing” it is a bit different 😀

        Although maybe I wouldn’t have noticed if Alex hadn’t mentioned it. After all, Paul may be fit but he ain’t no Duncan. DAT ASS. (Double meaning intended).

        • Eight_Rule_Pig

          Hey Annihilator, did you just wear those pants on a voyage to some kind of twisted hell dimension? Cos that ass is out of this world!

          • Just be honest… does that dating language work? I’d be willing to try, but it always sounds… well… you know.

          • Eight_Rule_Pig

            Eh, it’s like anything else, the context is everything. Audience, setting, and timing etc.

          • LOL… indeed.

    • What does it say that our MODS are so alert? Mmmmmm….

  • Jac

    Thank the gods that Tsunami didn’t answer. Paul’s got a better head on his shoulders, IMO.

    • Klaus

      How will Tsunami react when Kyle comes out/is outed? I am sure we will see before this story is over. Chekhov’s gun, you know.

    • Paul has a nice EVERYTHING. I mean… like… all over? You know?

      • motordog

        The trouble with dating Paul would be all the ruined dates you’d go on…
        Walk in the park? Rain.
        How about a movie? Whoops…sold out.
        Uh…stay home and make out? Someone’s at the door…oh, it’s your Aunt Ida, come for a visit.

        Though when you get those really, really GOOD dates! That might make up for the sucky ones…

        • Thank you for saving me writing that last paragraph.

          Kyle: “Ppppppaul that was, that was–

          *slams head back into pillow*

          –like the best orgasm EVER!”

          Paul: “Thanks K. I figured we were due!”

          M-dog, I bow in your general direction. 😀

          • motordog

            (Kyle walks in to the base with dazed eyes and a goofy grin on his face)

            Spooky: “Hey, man…how did your date with Paul go?”

            Kyle: “Peeeeeeeerrrfffeeeect!!!” ^_^

          • HA!

      • Jac

        So true. Nice head, nice moral ground, nice bod, nice face…

        Hey, Kyle, ever consider dating within your group?

  • EMR updated early!!! Denise! Sofia!

    http://elanmeetsrafa.com/the-comic/ch18pg13/

  • GingerChris86

    Okay, Back and Camping, On the correct day this time 🙂

  • SofiaT

    Anyone else finds the new Disqus Mobile annoying? >:(

    • I didn’t know there was one.

      • SofiaT

        It changed yesterday and it’s been driving me nuts! It doesn’t show new comments unless you constantly refresh the page -and even then they may not all show immediately. It’s a pain.

    • YG_Frenchie

      Oh is that what’s going on? It’s finally usable now! Before my safari wouldn’t stop crashing when I tried to use Disqus. <3 I kind of like it.

      • SofiaT

        It used to crash but at least you could see the new comments. *sigh*

      • Used to use Safari (still do sometimes) but didn’t have crash trouble???

    • I’m confused. I access Disqus on Chrome Browser on lap top because I can’t type fast on iPad. is D-Mobile a new program or something different?

      • SofiaT

        Apparently Disqus has now a new interface for access from mobile. I don’t like it.

  • Steven K.

    Hey all – I wasn’t keeping track – Is the current donation bar for a potential bonus page on Dec. 4th, or for one on Dec. 11th?

    • SofiaT

      December 4th.
      Last time the donation bar tipped over gave us today’s page.

      • Steven K.

        OK – thanks.
        And does the 400 need to be reached before this coming Saturday? (Which I’d assume, otherwise there wouldn’t be enough time to get an additional page ready?) – or does it just have to be before next Wed.?

        • SofiaT

          If the goal is reached by Tuesday 5pm California time, we get our update later that night. If it’s not reached before 5pm but it tips over before midnight we still get our page but it will be Wed/day evening instead.

          So, the absolute deadline is midnight of Tuesday :0)

  • Emiko

    Caaaaaamping

  • Okay… who’s voting:

    Cranky Kyle?
    Weepy Kyle?
    Homicidal Kyle?
    Surface of Sun Kyle?
    Gay Sucks Kyle (and not in the good way)?
    I quit Kyle?
    How fast can we find Duncan and torch him? Kyle?

    *add additional categories as needed*

    • Determined Kyle?

      • Toooo dooooooo…….?

        • stickfigurefairytales

          To defeat evil, of course! And save the world!

          • Right, exactly!

          • I’m good with that.

          • It’s the best Kyle I think.

          • motordog

            Yeah, I’m seeing the ‘man up’ Kyle (so to speak). He’s realized the crapstorm that’s coming, and he knows he as to do whatever he can to stop it…any self-pity (no matter how justified) will just have to take a back seat until the crisis is over. Then, I assume he’ll be ready to face any consequences that may come his way.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Yes, the entire Young Protectors team will need to man up! Or woman up, in the case of the Commander!

          • Just so. The day after all the dust settles with whatever they’ve just faced, then he can be called on the carpet.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            But of course Kyle could always incinerate the carpet in question and render the point moot.

          • HA! That’s true.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Take that, metaphorical carpet!

          • That could be said for the strap, the paddle and the rod too as punishment devices.

        • I suppose I should have said Phoenix Kyle. Rising up anew ready to stop a demon invasion.

          Of course there is contrite Kyle. If this is, as was stated below, a possible set up from the get go and is ready to here his I told you so’s before going and kicking demon butt?

          • Steven K.

            I prefer the first part.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Yes, Phoenix Kyle! Phoenix Kyle!

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Supported by some if not all of his friends in his rising from the ashes to kick butt and save the world Kyle?

    • Steven K.

      1 and/or 7, though 4 would be rather satisfying at the moment.

    • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

      Walk Of Shame Kyle.

      • BAD PRS! Stop trying to make me cry. A walk of shame will do it. I’ve got to get a grip on myself *sniff* I’m voting for anything… spunky Kyle.

        @admiraljane:disqus
        @disqus_P2huBPd9nS:disqus

        How are the ovens working? The page? We need updates? You to know everything so come on… how are AA&V doing?

        • SofiaT

          No inside info, sorry Chris.
          We’re just waiting like everyone else :0)

          • Although those cute flying ninja robot pigs…the antics the get up to.

          • That’s right we were promised ninja robot pigs. Grrrrr. I smell procine prevarication.

            *chris trundles off to find the Alex pig post……..*

            If there’s been false piggery around here there’s gonna be bacon flying tonight!

          • HA!

          • Jamie Dutton

            Hey can you check on the tea party, while you’re at it? We were promised tea, dangit! :/

          • *is wondering when they became robotic….just remembers Alex saying flying ninja pigs*

          • Awwww well can’t blame a guy for wanting to check the ovens… you know for safety reasons.

            Hey I’m just thinking of all of you. Right? 😀

      • Steven K.

        That’s the LAST Kyle-situation I want to see!!!

  • Hey guys, I am here, but not here. I am making Pumpkin Pie, Deviled Eggs, cleaning the living room, and other assorted food fixing. We are having our Thanksgiving diner tomorrow instead of Thursday due to scheduling. So I will be in and out.

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Sounds delicious! Good luck with the preparations!

      • My deviled eggs are coveted by my brother-in-law…..he like them more than his mother’s.

        • stickfigurefairytales

          I love deviled eggs! I wish I could have one of yours somehow.

          • If I could I would happily make some for you. I make them to my taste so they are usually a bit tart.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Mmm, imaginary deviled eggs…

          • motordog

            Very low in calories and cholesterol.

          • Nope, sorry, those are REAL.

    • Damn… you take your camping seriously! You go!

    • Mmmm pumpkin pie! The best part of Thanksgiving. Well that and cranberry sauce.

    • SofiaT

      Pumpkin pie is ok. But I love pumpkin bread!
      The best part of having an American flatmate when I was living in London 😀

      Her mom would send us pumpkin purée cans because you couldn’t find them in the UK. I can’t find them here either *sigh*

      • stickfigurefairytales

        I remember when I was studying in Ireland for a year – the mother of one of my fellow American students mailed her a package with cans of pumpkin and cranberry jelly!

      • Pumpkin pie is in the oven.

        I will try anything with pumpkin it at least once, where I used to work had these to die for pumpkin chess bars.

        No…..pumpkin purée…..how do you live??

        • SofiaT

          It’s a hard life indeed.

      • That is deeply wrong. Pumpkin bread is a breakfast food of the gods thing.

        • SofiaT

          I know, my pain is deep.

  • motordog

    I wonder…we know that Paul’s powers have kept him from being chosen by any of the ‘big league’ teams. Do you think they’ve hampered him in the romance department as well, if not all social interaction? We talked a little bit about this below, in regards to Kyle.

    The idea of your life being some kind of wild roller-coaster of amazing fortunate highs and amazingly bad lows…I think it may be an intriguing idea in abstract, but would be hell to actually live. Especially if your strokes of misfortune have a habit of backsplashing on those around you. Depending on when/how he got his powers, he may very well have had a lonely childhood, everyone being too frightened of the “jinx”…even if he did occasionally score great tickets to a concert or have the random celebrity’s car break down in front of his house.

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Hmm, I could very well see that. Excellent theory!

      • motordog

        I could see an older Fluke being almost robotic in attitude, or at least incredibly blase…I mean, he’s seen it all, NOTHING (good or bad) surprises him. If anything, he always EXPECTS

        • What a bleakly interesting idea.

          • motordog

            That’s why it’s good to see him so cheerful now. A ‘Days of Future Past’ type story would be interesting to see for these guys…or even a epilogue set after a time skip.

          • Super Interesting… although we all have our little dreams of good luck that we wish to call our way… his are just a little more known. Maybe he just get’s more accustomed to it… like breathing.

            Or not? Confounding thought.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            I have my fingers crossed for an epilogue where everyone is happy and successful. If we like them, anyway.

        • A bit like immortality.

        • stickfigurefairytales

          That would be pretty sad. Although it kind of reminds me of a story (possible a zen or Taoist one?) about this man who apparently bad and apparently good things keep happening to in turn, and he never really freaks out about either one and then subsequent events kind of prove the seemingly good or bad thing to be the opposite for some reason.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Like, his horse runs away. But then later it returns, accompanied by a wild horse. But when the man’s son tries to ride the wild horse, it throws him and he breaks his leg. But then soldiers come to the village conscripting all the young men, but the man’s son is spared because of his injured leg. And so on.

          • motordog

            That does sound very familiar…but I can’t place it either.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            But the point I was originally going to make (before I got distracted) was that I could also see Paul being like that – just very chill, very zen about things. Because everything comes around somehow.

          • motordog

            That’s a much better future to hope for…chill is much nicer than blasé.

          • I agree with you both… I like the zen idea. We humans never will truly get to understand cause & effect, so ZEN is the way to go. Like that a lot.

    • I’ve thought that often. He would be a hard character to tell a story about. Difficult to define the rules of his powers and backstory. I’ll be surprised in Alex’s notes in the final YP GN if Paul wasn’t a hard character to articulate for all the reasons MotorD states above.

      Luck is an illusive idea at the best of times. If Paul had gone to hell to visit papa Laampros… well I guess I’m just wondering what kind of ‘good luck’ that sucky birthday might have delivered?

      • motordog

        I’m wondering about the ratio of good luck vs. bad luck that Paul has…I’d like to think that he tends to get more fortune than misfortune. Even 50/50 would suck for him, and make him truly as much a liability as an asset. Perhaps, as he exercises his powers and learns to control them, he’ll be able dampen down his bad luck, or maybe even learn to have his bad luck at least affect his foes as much as it affects him.

  • Simba Hutchison

    Camping while riding shotgun to California. 😀

  • mogoskier
    • No crap. Wow.

    • motordog

      I read that and thought to myself “hey, that looks like Colleen Doran’s stuff”…then I read who the artist was…I’m Capt. Obvious!

  • Sapfo

    Trying to think of more than just two reasons why it would not be so good to camping when I’m driving. But the two biggest are probably best reason not to. Camping in Spirit and maybe in body if Alex have a slow baking day

  • YG_Frenchie

    My heart. It aches! I haven’t been reading many comment for the past…. I don’t know… Almost two months. I haven’t been posting comments either. The last ten pages or so have been so hard to deal with. I’ve never wanted to cuddle a fictional character so much in my life. That curled up pose of Kyle in the previous page just…

    I really hope Hot-In-A-Tight-Suit-Paul will make him feel like everything is okay until he figures out his next move with the Annihilator, and his “new” father. THAT totally caught me by surprise. I love plot twists!

    Alex, your story is SO good, there’s no way I’m ever going to dislike the rest of it. I wish this was made into a movie. I’d watch the SH*T out of this!

    I just want Happy-Kyle back. Being kissed and cuddled and stuff. I’m such a sucker for romance. Even after all this I still have a crush on Duncan. Can’t help it. He was created sexy.

    • stickfigurefairytales

      They really have been tough! I wish I could hug Kyle too!

    • motordog

      You’re last paragraph…yup, pretty much sums it up for me too. (and the part about a movie!)

    • *applause*

      Yes. That about covers it! 😀

      • YG_Frenchie

        He’s like the Master Puppeteer. Just pulls on our heart strings. Like a Boss.

        • Jamie Dutton

          Yes he masterfully promised us superhero & supervillain hot, smexy times and instead sends us to Hell! Not that I mind that….oh who am I kidding? If this had been ANYONE else’s story, I’d have bugged out when it all literally went to Hell!
          I’m waiting for Alex to do that voodoo that he does so well!

    • Steven K.

      I can certainly empathize with most all of this.

    • Soubi

      Wow! That art is magnificent. Not that it came at a bad time or anything (no, really, it cheered me up!) but still, I have to wonder…what’s in store for poor Kyle.

      • YG_Frenchie

        I’m glad it cheered you up! Mission accomplished 🙂

        • Soubi

          Love your DC stuff too! Big fan 😉 And I’m glad you ship Aladdin and Mozenrath, it’s a small fandom but I ship it hard :D!

    • Aweaome art of them. Very sexy. I missed that one on the gallery boards. Thank you for sharing 🙂

    • dereule101

      Your gallery doesn’t seem to be working when I click through. Page not found. 🙁

      • Me too

        • YG_Frenchie

          Log in to Y!Gallery.

      • You have to be a member of Y-gallery to see it (and logged in). It’s an 18+ site with m/m art.

        Edit: only art you can see on the site without membership is the pg13-17 parts.

        • dereule101

          Ah, thanks.

      • YG_Frenchie

        Do you have an account with Y!Gallery? If you’re not logged in it’s too nsfw to work. I have that problem all the time. But once I’m in it works.

        Edit: totally didn’t see that DanishWolf beat me to it. Hope it works for you! Let me know.

    • Thanks for the Edit: — lovely emotion there. Really well done. Much appreciated.

    • Thank you so much, YG_Frenchie! Glad to see you back here. You’ve been missed! 🙂

  • Terri Sutton

    Are we there yet?

  • I just wonder when that last panel in Page 49 is going to stop making me cry?

    I keep going back, thinking I’m cool… but nope. As Sofia teased — and rightly (paraphrase), “people tears”.

    • It don’t think so and I would hope not. Why should something so emotional stop affecting you?

    • Steven K.

      I know – it’s the same way for me.
      Even if I think about it at random during any day/time, I tear up and have to think of something else.

  • Holly

    So my work schedule probably means I will not be camping again until after Christmas. The page posts are always after I go to bed work, and even if I don’t have work the next day. (like tomorrow) I’m too tired by Midnight AST to stay up any longer.

    But I will at least say hello for a bit. How are you my lovelies?!

    • Jamie Dutton

      Hi Holly! 🙂 I’m getting ready for the crazy circus that is my family getting together for Turkey day.

      • Holly

        OH you silly Americans. Thanksgiving was LAST month. Silly silly

        • Once upon a time it was in this country, but it was moved I think by one of the Roosevelts.

      • Oh, you had to remind me. Can’t I just go to hell with Laampros and Duncan?

        I mean MY family of course. I’m just feeling a bit Grinchy this year. I plan to have lots of appetizers so that everyone will be full if I overcook the turkey. 😛

    • Hi you! You’ve been missed.

      • Holly

        I KNOW IT”S HORRIBLE! But having to work in the morning means no being up past 12. I am on my feet ALL day, and my brain needs to be sharp. Especially has today, the job became unnaturally dangerous. (Holly has a story)

        • Quickly tell before you run. Otherwise that’s just mean!

          • Holly

            Okay so I work at a Kiosk. For those of you who don’t know what that is, it’s a little shop in the form of a rectangle with counters all around and only one entrance. Customers remain on the other side of the counter. So the door to our Kiosk is a little swinging one. There is a cabinet on the inside, which we use to store empty boxes, and on top there are a large, heavy, glass, oval counter with the name of the company etched in metal under the glass.

            Today, I was on the opposite side of the Kiosk on the outside, showing a customer an item. When suddenly there is a HORRIBLE Crash. The door has come off the kiosk, and the oval has also broken off with the fall. No one was injured, though one of my coworkers and a mall patron were close to the door. Turns out the hinges ripped off. Probably because there were not enough hinges and they were not strong enough. So we had NO DOOR, and we had to call head office to fix it. Please note that this is the same door on all the company’s kiosks, it was just attached badly.

            Later, before I went to my lunch, I accidentally tipped the huge glass oval counter onto my shin and foot and was in A LOT OF PAIN, until my manager saved me. So no one was hurt, except me by my clumsiness.

            Also they couldn’t fix of replace the door today, so the temporary door was put up. It is bad. It is like saloon doors but too short to touch and not lined up right.

            THE END.

            Now I think I will depart. I think I have a fever

          • Jamie Dutton

            Wow, sounds adventurous to say the least! I’m glad you’re ok though.

          • Steven K.

            Well, if you must – have a safe day tomorrow!
            And feel better soon!

          • Glad you’re okay! Christmas is a dangerous time of year.

            And rest up, getting sick would suck.

          • Jamie Dutton

            Black Friday is bad too! The one time I stupidly decide to join in, I was run down by a pack of senior citizens and almost punched a guy trying to shank me with a barbie doll ><: I swore to Never venture into that vile dungeon ever again!

          • Holly

            My store is doing a Black Friday weekend. Our store isn’t open on Sundays, but I get to work Friday and Saturday. Yay me. *rolls eyes*

          • Jamie Dutton

            Gird yourself as if going into the colliseum, Holly. It’s dangerous outside take this pepper spray and spiked shield…you’ll need them.

          • My family and I have a long standing tradition of not leaving the house on Black Friday unless absolutely necessary.

          • Exactly.

          • Good grief! Those shopping days are just horror filled. And just trying to drive down the street…arg!

          • Holly

            No one was even TOUCHING it. It was so weird.

          • It’s been waiting.

          • Holly

            Yup 2 months.

        • Steven K.

          You are so admirable! I have to get up this coming morning at 4:00, but I’ll probably be staying up waiting for the new page, and risking not getting enough sleep to get me through my work-day tomorrow, which will be ending around 10 p.m. I sure wish I had your willpower to resist.

          • Holly

            IT helps today that I seem to have a fever. (Fatigue, pain, hot, chills, etc) I need rest. I don’t even have work in the morning, I’m just tired…

          • awwwww *hugs* Get some rest sweetie! And feel better soon!

        • Steven K.

          But I am curious about the “unnaturally dangerous” part – that sounds kinda scary/ominous.

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Hi!! I’m doing well (apart from being sad for Kyle).

    • Who’s one of those engineering whiz types who could build a little chime alarm for those of us in the wrong time zone. We could go to sleep and who ever posts the “PAGE IS UP” Post would include a little signal to ring everyone’s alarms.

      Hey good idea right? Holly could wake long enough to see the new page and either be happy or suicidal and then go back to bed!

      Alex could market the alarm on his new store and become disgustingly rich and full of himself.

      Everyone is happy. Right? Right?

      • Holly

        NO! I would TOTALLY need to talk out my feels. Also, I’m pretty sure i’m feverish so waking me with that alarm tonight would just mix YP with possible fever dreams. Why am I still here?!

        • LOL… more important WHO are you?

          Edit: I think some of Holly’s circuits may be under or over charged… 😀

          • Holly

            Wait, can androids have fevers? I that like just a systems malfunction? is my motherboard fried?!

          • Jamie Dutton

            You might be overheating, maybe check your coolant levels?

          • Holly

            This model cannot perform self maintenance. (I wish someone was here to take care of my sick butt. Also why am I still posting?! )

          • Steven K.

            Seems like you also need someone else to click the shut-down switch.

        • Steven K.

          Yeah – you don’t want your electric sheep to be disturbed/startled!

      • Steven K.

        Happy or suicidal after these things – ummm…I think that would be me lately – and I’m not even officially bipolar or anything.
        Well, on second thought, there have been pages where I was just so numb and didn’t know how much I felt one way or the other.

    • Aww.. no Holly at campings. Gonna miss you.
      I’m gonna continue as long as I can, but might be a time soon where I need to go before page is up sometimes. Depends on work I get. Necessary evil then, but I wait to pout until I have to 🙂

    • silibub

      That’s a bummer, Holly — it won’t be the same without you stalking the virgin! I’m good right now, dogsitting and running around cleaning my dad’s house. How’re you?

  • Soubi

    Le gasp. I’m camping -curls up in sleeping bag and waits- 😀

    • “Le Gasp” That is so classy for camping. I’m impressed!

      • Soubi

        Why thank you kind sir! Care for some tea? And monocles and…I think I have some top hats around here somewhere…

  • jreed3842

    CAMPING…. COMMENCE!! *pulls out s’mores and sets up tents and builds a fire.* Hello, fellow campers!

    • Holly

      Camping and Fever, reminds me of the time I got the bad sun burn and ended up having a temp of 109. Yeah…So like then, I will now go to home. (home being bed. yeah…sense is hard.)

      • 109° ummmm isn’t that like Emergency Room time?

        • Holly

          Yeah that MIGHT have been a stop along the way.See because it takes about 6 hours for sunburns to appear, everyone thought I was fine to go to camp for the weekend. Then the sunburn progressed, and I got dizzy and sick, and sent to a tent to wait for my dad. I remember nothing between then and waking up at home, except fever dreams. Which happily I do not acutally recall.

          also it might have been 104, Discalcula…

    • dereule101

      I’m also baking! I have a cheesecake in the oven right now. I’ll be topping it with cranberry curd. I’ll also be making a pumpkin pie tomorrow with the puree I made/froze last month.

      • I had this pumpkin cheesecake once that was absolutely divine.

        • I might hope that Laampros come to your homes first. There is nothing good cooking here. :/

          • Well as long as he is more human sized, then….no problem. …….I would love to see my mother’s reaction to him….

        • dereule101

          I made one of those for someone’s birthday once. They asked for a two layer cheesecake with chocolate on the bottom and pumpkin on top. Oreo crust.

          • Sounds like something I should try. ^_^

          • dereule101

            I would highly recommend it.

        • Steven K.

          Actually, Olive Garden has really good pumpkin cheesecake this time of year.

    • Jamie Dutton

      OMG, food porn! ><; That looks so good!

    • dereule101

      I love deviled eggs.

      • Me too. Do you ever put a tiny pinch of shredded crab on the top?

        • Jamie Dutton

          Ooo, is it like the lobster deviled eggs i had once at a really fancy wedding? Those were sooooo good ppl just hovered at that one table.

        • dereule101

          I’m pretty good in the kitchen but, for some reason, my deviled eggs are never as tasty as other people’s! I’ll have to suggest that to my friends who do a better job with that than I do.

        • I cannot handle seafood much….so far the only seafood I have been able to eat is calamari.

    • Sapfo

      Would you like som Julmust?

  • silibub

    I’m aggravated for a multitude of reasons that Duncan hasn’t arranged for Sircea to spacegate Kyle back home. I mean, I’m sure she’s like the second-to-last person Kyle would want to see at the moment, but at least it would indicate that he gave some thought as to how in the shit Kyle’s supposed to get back. (I’m not convinced Duncan knew about Kyle’s communicator.) Plus she could zap him into some pants.

    Still, something had to give in order for Kyle to have this difficult conversation with his friends. Having Kyle reach out to his team instead of having an easy way home will serve the story better, I’m sure!

    • I keep being shocked that many of you seem amazed that Duncan and Sircea don’t do nice things to followup this simply wonderful Birthday for Kyle.

      I mean it’s been so divine so far… so why shouldn’t they go that little extra step and give him… erm… cab fare. You know leave some crumpled bills on the dresser to make him feel even classier?

      REALLY?

      • Muffins here, get your free muffins here!

        • *waives hands above head*

          Toss one here please! LOL.

          • *tosses whiskey laced muffin to Chris*

          • Holds muffin in hands like a holy relic and mutters, “There is a god!”

          • Goddess! There is a goddess… 😀

          • Yes!!!!!! That is what I meant. (Damn patriarchal upbringing)

          • HA!

          • Sapfo

            I think I missed something here. Should maybe go up and read the other comments before I judge… But I am kind of scared. o.o

          • HA… no don’t worry, just muffin talk. 😀

        • I will take one of your delicious muffins!

          • I’ll share…. for a deviled egg… 😀

          • …..I get to share food with Chris?!?!?!?!?!? *quickly hands over a deviled egg*

          • Ahhhhhhhhh deviled eggggggg…. (snarfling begins)

            *wipe face*

            Thank yew kindly

          • ^_^ You are most welcome. ^_^

          • Jamie Dutton

            Did you see the pics Dokidoki posted of the eggs? *drools* They look so yummy!

          • They are, I was kind of sad that all the eggs came out perfect when shelling so I didn’t have an excuse to eat one

            *gives one to Jamie* With a comment like that you deserve to have one.

          • Jamie Dutton

            Yay, thank you!
            Mmmm

          • ^_^ You are most welcome. ^_^

          • Food porn was putting lightly. LOL.

          • *tosses Doki a whiskey laced muffin*

          • *catches muffin* Thank you! *takes a bite* Yum!!!

      • silibub

        Not amazed by any means, just annoyed by the discrepancy between Duncan’s expressions of regret/claims that Kyle deserves “better treatment” and his utter failure to actually show he means it. If Duncan really hadn’t wanted to hurt Kyle more than necessary, he wouldn’t have added the additional challenge of getting home after all this!

        (I doubt Sircea gives a shred of a crap, haha)

        • Steven K.

          I certainly concur with your feelings on this matter.

        • First it’s just me being dicky… I’m still totally with both –you and SK re a small kindness to Kyle would be so nice, but REALLY… it NEVER happens?

          And SILLIBUB, this is why Sircea NEEDS you to straighten her (wait… wrong phrase) erm… needs you to fix her up and get her act together. So please get over there (to wherever she is) and tell her to STOP giving spells to Duncan that he’s just going to cock up in a big way and put her talents to better use… like well… you know.

          Sillibub you have a job to do…. off with you!

          • silibub

            I’M ON THE CASE. *zips away*

        • HA… crisp bills in a money clip… the self-centered thing!

          For those of you hoping for a date, remember this post when you have dinner with Duncan and he pays for his half………… and looks at you.

          Dutch? Right?

      • Steven K.

        I know what you are saying for sure, but I still wouldn’t argue against some pants in the box. Having to be found nekkid doesn’t really give the classiest feeling either.

  • It’s a cold morning but I sit wrapped up in a thick blanket, just woken up but ready to camp.

    • Excellent. Let the camping FORMALLY BEGIN!

    • Sapfo

      Same here! It is ice on the roads, so I´m really glad that I got where I should be.

  • Sapfo

    Did I make it? Am finally of iceroads and can now saftely get my computer and camping on! Gooo Camping!

    • WELCOME! Now camping can really REALLY begin.

      • Sapfo

        Thank you Chris! Feels like forever.

    • Jamie Dutton

      Yep you made it in time! We were just telling scary Black Friday stories further down if you want to join in.

      • Sapfo

        Thankfully we dont get that here. Phu!

        • Jamie Dutton

          Its scary, like something out of a post-apocalyptic vid game. I always think all those doomsday preppers and z.e.r.t teams should practice surviving Black Friday first.

          • Sapfo

            I think it might be like the after x-mass sell here. I avoid it… thats my story. (sorry not that good of a story, but I like my life and my sanity)

          • Yeah. The closest thing we have to Black Friday is the ‘New years’ sale (which have pretty much moved to start between x-mas and new year for many stores), but that one is over a months time so no crazy days like this.
            Otherwise it’s a random one-shop event that might go wild besides the last rushed x-mas shopping.

          • Sapfo

            Yes, we should be greatfull for that. sometimes i go when its been on for 4-5 days, not as crazy then.

  • Holly

    Okay I am officially sending my feverish brain to the land of sleep dreams. There it will mend itself. If it does not, I fear… yeah lost my train of thought.

    NIGHT ALL. Enjoy the page. Someone break the news of my abdication as Virgin Chaster to Sapfo. Now I go…bye friends

    • Night!

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Goodnight!

    • Night and get better soon!

    • Sapfo

      Get well Holly! (did not know that androids could get sick)

    • Jamie Dutton

      Hope you can find someone to check your systems so you can feel better. Now go regenerate, ok?

    • Night.. see you at another camping. *hugs*

    • Night!

  • samae

    Camping so hard

  • Sapfo

    As I drove, I listened to the radio. “Heartbreak Hotel”, “My heart will go on” and then “Streets of Philadelphia”. Dont think my radio likes me ;_;

    • silibub

      Oh that is just mean.

      • Laampros is in your radio… I just know it. It’s the beginning. Kyle better get those big boy pants on quick!

        • Sapfo

          Yes, please save my heart from breaking form sad songs.

          • If it starts playing ‘I will always love you’.. you know it’s a conspiracy.

          • Sapfo

            Well, I have to see what the radio will give me on my way home then.

            “Radio, are you in league with Laampros? Or maybe Black Friday?”

          • Sapfo

            But for some reason I started to think about Lordy when I was driving. What do you think that means?

          • Whoa.. you need some hard rocking to make you scream Halleluja 😉

          • Sapfo

            Oh Yes!

        • silibub

          Now I’m imagining Laampros speaking through poor Sapfo’s radio like Satan in Good Omens. Sapfo, check and make sure none of your CDs/playlists have inexplicably morphed into “Best of Queen” albums!

          • Ahahahahahaha….

            up-vote for GOOD OMENS reference!

          • Sapfo

            But I already have all the best of Queen´s albums….! Scary! O.O

    • That is just mean. What did you do to the radio?

      • Sapfo

        I don´t know. Must have been bad. Sorry radio!
        (But I do like streets of philadelphia)

        • Well sure, but still all that sad on top of itself…

          • Sapfo

            Yeah, it is! And its not good to cry while driving.

            You hear that kids, don´t cry and drive!

          • That’s a good message!

          • Sapfo

            Just like don´t camp and drive 😉

          • Exactly!

    • Sapfo

      to lighten the mood, maybe you should listen to this instead. But the problem is that I think they are related to Laampros.

      ( @danishwolf, How could I forget to do even a single reference to the Lordy when Laampros was on?)

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAh9NRGNhUU

      • I had the best time ever when they won the EMC. My mom was all ‘whut’ while I had silently voted for them xD
        It was about time something rock won.

        • Sapfo

          They where the best that year! It was about time Finland!
          And I forgot that he had wings.

          • The whole opening scene in Finland the year after where they partly had the song from the arctic circle was cool.

          • Sapfo

            I really do like Eurovision! It brings out the strangers in us. And we can hear good (and really bad) music from all of Europ.

          • I’ve seen it almost every year since hmm.. ’99 or something like that. Sometimes before that too.
            I rarely see the Danish pre-contest and I don’t always see the pre-finals that they have now, but I try to see the finale every year.
            I think it’s funny and I’ve pretty much been able to predict the winner more than half the times. If my favorite for winner doesn’t make it, it’s usually in the top 5 still. Only once have I been completely off some years ago.

          • Sapfo

            Oh no, the Danish Wolf should not be wrong!

            I try to see the finally also, but misses it sometimes. But all the pre showes are to much
            (99 was that not the year Sweden won. So you do like us 😉 )

          • Well.. when Sweden wins, it seems to be Denmark’s turn the year after. That’s how it went in 2000 and strangely enough again this year xD

          • Sapfo

            Well its better for Sweden to be a good luck talisman for Denmark then we fighting. Make music not war 😉

  • *dances* Hows it going tonight, guys?

    • jreed3842

      *waltzes* Wonderful! How are you?

      • *tangos* FANTASTIC!

        • Sapfo

          *bugging* It is a great day for dan… camping ^_^

    • Not too bad, you? The bf with you?

      • He is. He’s watching Futurama, though.

        • The doggie doing alright?

          • She’s ok. Bit worried about her, so I’m looking into options for treatment.

          • *hugs* I have been cooking and cleaning for Thanksgiving, I posted pictures bekow of what I made today. Deviled eggs and pumpkin pie.

          • Oh my god. I LOVE Deviled Eggs. Please understand that I love and hate you right now

          • *hands over a deviled egg* Now what was that about hate?

          • *snuggles*

          • ^_^

          • *holds out hand* More?

          • One more….I need some to share with others *hands Kinziechan another*

          • :D!!!
            I might have to make the boy run out for supplies…

  • Jamie Dutton

    I have a question for the mods.

    • What’s up?

      • Jamie Dutton

        darnit, sorry about that! I had to run out in the friggin cold and take out the trash 🙁

        • No worries. Glad to know the internet wasn’t out.

          • Jamie Dutton

            I jsut finished up some fan art and was wondering if it’s not characters from TYP do I need to put the copyright stuff at the bottom?

          • Is it the world of TYP?

          • Jamie Dutton

            let me link it to you and you can let me know, ok?

          • Okay!

          • Jamie Dutton
          • Ha! That’s awesome. I’m assuming you’re mentioning the inspiration for it?

            At the bottom of the FAQ page talks about fan-art
            http://webcomics.yaoi911.com/faq/

          • Jamie Dutton

            Yeah I am. I just tossed it up on a temp link til I got your opinion. I’ll put up the permanent link once I upload it to my deviantart.

          • You know, I really have no idea. @disqus_P2huBPd9nS:disqus Help!

          • Jamie Dutton

            I was going to talk about the inspiration and include the link for TYP. Hmm, would this be more along the lines of fanfiction? Um, maybe I should ask Alex first?

          • I think what you were planning isn’t bad. A link from the inspiration. Though it probably wouldn’t hurt to ask Alex.

            I’m really sorry to not know this. I am so failing as a mod.

          • Jamie Dutton

            Don’t be sad, Admiral. It’s my fault for drawing fan art that blurs the line ><; Yeah leave it to me to cause controversy with my first fan art, lol.

          • I’ve pinged Sofia. So hopefully she knows the ins and outs of this type of thing. This is somehting I should know

          • SofiaT

            Haha!

            Well, this is inspired from the comments’ section and something Alex said there, not TYP as a story… so I don’t think the disclaimer is necessary but it will be good to add a link to TYP, naming it as the inspiration and explaining where this little inside joke came from -or people will have no clue what it’s about. 🙂

          • Jamie Dutton

            Ok, I’ll do that then and send it to Alex so he can let me know if I need to add anything. Thanks you two, sorry if I caused any trouble.

          • No troubles!

          • SofiaT

            No trouble at all 🙂

            I loved it by the way! 😀

          • Jamie Dutton

            Thanks 🙂 Chris inspired me to start doodling, actually. Next thing I know I’m done, lol.

          • Thanks for the assist!

    • No Jamie… I’m sorry, but as good as our MODS are, they simply refuse to take the trash out for any of us… it’s deeply wrong. I’ve complained to Alex, but I just get put on that hold message that keeps repeating “Your call is important to us” and then cycles you again.

      So I think you’re on your own with the trash tonight. 😀

      • Adam Black

        I think about it, if someone lets me in.

        ( Its cold out here )

      • Jamie Dutton

        Lol, you guys are hilarious! But darn I should have asked that!

  • stickfigurefairytales

    All right, I’ve got to head off to bed now. Have a happy Thanksgiving, those who are celebrating it!

  • Sapfo

    Alex, I am kind of hungry (for a new page) and I think my dear mother might scold me if I dont start cleaning out my old appartment. so I was wondering… Are you there or have Laampros got you? (or the radio o.O)

  • Diana_Christine

    Hiii! I’m a new camper! Brought my sleeping bag. AND MARSHMELLOWS! :p

    • Welcome.. now hand over the mallows 😉

      • Diana_Christine

        only if you have some chocolate and graham crackers. I forgot those D:

        • Damn.. can only help you with the chocolate.
          I really should try tasting a s’more one day. Not being American that hasn’t been on my camping menu.

          • Who has the graham crackers!?

          • I still think I should test that bag of mallows to see if they’re proper camping food *huggles the bag*

          • I must help! Toss me some. 🙂

          • Diana_Christine

            MALLOWS FOR ALL! *Throws them everywhere*

          • HA! Marshmallows, marshmallows! *nom*

          • This is a terrible organizational camping snafu! Shame I feel graham cracker shame…. Me and Kyle we’ve failed terribly and now we’re without graham crackers and demons are coming… so sad. 😐

          • Diana_Christine

            Well, instead of graham crackers I found some wine! That’s better!

          • Wayyyyyyyy better.

          • More graham crackers for me!

          • with wine!

          • You can have the wine. I’ll have the graham crackers.

          • SOLD!

          • Forgetting graham crackers is just wrong.

          • Diana_Christine

            :O my face literally looks like that right now. S’MORES ARE A MUST! So what do you eat when you camp?!

          • Sapfo

            I drink Julmust, but its all gone now 🙁

          • Diana_Christine

            Hmm… what is that? I’ve never even heard of it… should I feel deprived?

          • Sapfo

            Yes, you should! O.O

            Its a Swedish chrismas drink. Looks like coca-cola, but dont tast like it. Its really good (according to me)

          • Diana_Christine

            Maybe I’ll find some on Amazon that can ship here! And not cost me an arm and a leg :p

          • Sapfo

            Yes, you can, but not the right one. It shoulde be the Apotekarens Julmust or not at all. (but the one on Amazon might be good, I have not tasted it)

          • Diana_Christine

            Well I will definitely keep that in mind!

          • A lot of things I should be eating at 6-7am in the morning.. but don’t you dare say anything about me eating candy sometimes 😉

          • Diana_Christine

            if you didn’t eat candy that early in the morning I would be dissapointed!

          • Sapfo

            Make some chicken and rice for Wolf 😉

          • Shh.. that’s only sometimes 😉
            And I’m getting really hungry so a page might be on the way. Maybe I’ll go make fries and red sausages after it’s up.. or I’ll just stick to bread this morning xD

          • Sapfo

            O.O PÖLSE! GIVE ME!

          • *shares the bag*

          • Sapfo

            We don´t need s´mores when there is pölse ^_^

        • Eve

          I’ve got cinnamon graham crackers. Yum!

    • Welcome Diana!

      Yay for marshmallows!

      • Adam Black

        is the site broken?
        No new page
        Disqus wont load.
        ( not even the last 20 messages that autopost )

        • I think Disqus has issues because the site is so busy. Mine is acting a bit slow also + not all comments loaded.

          Edit: the more traffic on a site, the more disqus usually acts up.

          • Eve

            Black Friday is already breaking the interwebs.

          • Diana_Christine

            Ehhh don’t make me think about Black Friday! Some of us poor people work in retail 🙁

          • My sympathies.

          • Diana_Christine

            Thanks :/ I’m just looking forward to the paycheck!

          • I hope they’re paying good for it.

          • I wish you quintripple time!

          • Adam Black

            Its never failed like this before.
            This button itself is dead. Not a single comment, even when I use the direct link for it

          • Sapfo

            That is bad!

          • Adam Black

            yeah It is, send me the link when it comes thru…
            thx

            #GaffifreyFALLS #NOMORE

          • Adam Black

            thats a symptom of something

          • I know… I don’t have the pills right now but i put some cream on it and I’m hoping for the best.

          • Boo.. mine isn’t that bad, but it sure has issues. Comments jump up and down a little when new are added above/below, lagging of letters in the comment box when I write + not all comments load. I’ve given up on the ‘Load more comments’ right now.

          • Evil has a new definition!

          • Adam Black

            there is your Horror movie

        • I have no idea. It’s been kinda gremlin-y

          • Adam Black

            MOd,
            bust some Gremlins for me.

            ( is my IP blocked? )

          • If it was, I don’t think you could post here at all.

            I wish I knew how to disburse the gremlins.

          • SofiaT

            You’re not blocked or banned 🙂
            Disqus is just being stupid. I have more than 50 email notifications that won’t load. :0/

          • Uhhh you’re here?

        • What is going on ? First SofiaT and now you? Is Laampros already here?

          • Adam Black

            If Sofia cant get in,
            —-then I am probably not banned

            send me the page link when it drops , please

          • Absolutely….

    • SofiaT

      Welcome to the camping grounds! :0)

  • Is the page baking, Captain? *looks at Alex with puppy dog eyes*

    • Tina

      Yes we’re starving here! Withering away to nothing! *holds up pinky finger*

      • Diana_Christine

        Please sir, can we have some more?!?!

        • Pounce him!
          Trounce him!
          Pick him up and bounce him!

          Wait!
          Before we put the lad to task
          May I be so crious as to ask
          His name?

          DIANA_CHRISTINE!!!!!!!!!

          • Thank you, sir, for the obligatory reference.

          • Diana_Christine

            You sir, you win at life.

          • Bows in sincere gratitude…

    • I think Alex might be working late tonight, or he could be on his way somewhere for thanksgiving.

      • Sapfo

        Oh thats right. Thanksgiving!
        Cant America just skip it this year? I be thankfull for a new page 😉

        • Well… it is a pretty useless holiday

        • mogoskier

          HHHeelllllll no, it the one time of the year you can eat as much as you want nobody says anything

        • Ali

          Noooo!! I love turkey soup, turkey pot pie and stuffing way too much to just skip Thanksgiving! I’m completely incapable of making this amazing food on any other day of the year. 😀

          • mogoskier

            And the leftovers don’t forget the leftovers

          • Mmmmmm. Love the left overs!

          • Tina

            Damnit I’m hungry now! >:

          • *holds up little finger*

            Hungry? You? Little bitty you? Welllll you are not alone I’m dying here deviled eggs and pumpikin pie and I just dying…..

          • Tina

            Little bitty? *laughs* I wish. Still I can smell the turkey already and its still a few days away from being cooked

          • *applause* for leftovers!!!!!

          • Diana_Christine

            now I’m dreaming of my favorite left over Turkey/mashed potatoes/ gravy sammich. I WANT NOW

          • *uses hip to push Diana rudely out of the way*

            “Oh Turkey/mashed potatoes/ gravy sammich… lovely don’t mind if I do” … *walks away happily snarfling*

          • Diana_Christine

            :O NOT THE SAMMICH! ANYTHING BUT THE SAMMICH!

          • Ali

            The turkey soup and turkey pot pie are made almost entirely out of leftovers. I’m so excited for Black Friday dinner!

      • Thanksgiving isn’t until Thursday but I guess he could be travelling… Impatient…. lol

      • Whaaaaaaaawhat???? Alex is allowed to have a holiday?? I’m sure that’s very very wrong. Kyle is crying on a table in a warehouse… we are in a critical state here.

        Web-comic is ALL!

        Okay Alex, Adam and Veronica can have a slice of pumpkin pie, but you give Alex a holiday inch, and he’ll take a mile. Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

        • Sapfo

          Alex, please dont be mad at our dear Chris. You can have some turky also and maybe some of the other things that goes with it.

          • Diana_Christine

            I will allow you to have some mashed potatoes, Alex! They are the best part, after all!

          • SofiaT

            I’m starving and you’re killing me!

          • Yeah me too. My husband is doing more snoring than cooking just now. I’m not happy. Grump.

          • Steven K.

            Why do I have to keep reminding – some of us would be happy having the husband (or anyone in bed with us), even if going hungry for awhile was the price.

          • Sorry… there’s snoring too… don’t forget the snoring. It’s not all puppies and rainbows. Sometimes I have to take my foot and shove him onto his side to stop the snoring…………..

          • silibub

            Haha, I’ve been with a couple snorers, and now I tell bedmates to just put a pillow over my face if I ever start.

          • Yeah… a good idea… some times it ends in rambunctious sex and sometimes I just get thumped. It’s all about timing. LOL.

          • silibub

            But to be fair, that shit can fuck up your whole night. I’ll take getting swatted if it means I get some silence!

          • Yeah… if, if, if, if…. it’s all some complicated. 🙂

          • Steven K.

            Not a comforting and adorable reminder of a loved one’s presence?
            As long as there’s no bedwetting or drunken vomiting, I’d be willing to deal with the snoring.

        • Sapfo

          Okay, I have a plan. I buy expensive tickets to the United States, rent a house, teach myself to do thanks giving food and then make the food for our three comic creator, while they continue to make comic to us. Who will help me?

          • Diana_Christine

            I’ll do a quality check on all the food!

          • SofiaT

            Sounds like a solid plan.

          • Sapfo

            So you help me?

          • mogoskier

            I think you only need to do that for two, Veronica lives in south America.

          • Sapfo

            Well I will travel all over the US making food for all the of them 😉

  • All this talk about yummy food. I’m no longer sure if my stomach is telling me that a page is coming very soon – or I’m just really, really hungry.

    STOP MESSING WITH MY VIRGIN HUNTER SENSES!

    • Sapfo

      Yes, do continue to mess with the wolf!

      • Dog goes woof
        Cat goes meow
        Bird goes tweet
        and mouse goes squeek…

        • Sapfo

          Hey, Im not a mouse. Im a strawberry. Wolfs dont eat strawberrys.

        • Eve

          If you meet a friendly horse…

          • Eve

            Would he communicate by moooooorse?

        • davefragments

          But what does the fox say?

          • That’s for you to go and find out.. and take Sapfo with you 😉

          • Sapfo

            Maybe he can help me clean? Have to go very soon ;_;

        • Wolf goes Virgin…

    • Diana_Christine

      *waves turkey leg in the air* can you smell it? do you want it???

    • SofiaT

      I’m in mod-mode and trying to catch up with all the comments. Part of me wants to go make some dinner and the other part tells me I should stay here till the storm of posts has passed… but I’d kill for a turkey sandwich with cranberry sauce and brie right now. 🙁

      • No cranberry sauce. Just a turkey sandwich with some gravy and potatoes. This would be an open faced sandwich, of course.

        • SofiaT

          No, no, no. Turkish bread (or ciabatta) slightly toasted so that the brie will be melt.

          • o_o Um.
            Hey
            Sofia
            I don’t like you right now. I want this. >_<!!! You're just making my mouth water at the thought

          • Ali

            Ooooh, that sounds amazing. Now I am hungry, but I should be going to bed soon…

          • OMG.. MELTED BRIE…

          • Sapfo

            Bad Sofia! You are not only making me hungry, You are making me drool! Bad!

        • mogoskier

          No a turkey sandwich with stuffing, yum

          • Eeeeeeew stuffing! *childish face*

          • mogoskier

            gasp, that like saying potatoes are gross. It just wrong

          • Stuffing is made with the turkey guts in my family. It is just…nasty.
            I am Irish/German though, so potatoes are my favorite food.

          • Diana_Christine

            Being Irish/German is the best. Potatoes and beer EVERYWHERE

          • Aaaaaa *insert drooling here* food of the gods!

          • Diana_Christine

            The badass gods. :p

          • ALL OF THE BEER! GERMAN WINE FTW!
            I mean… um…>_><_<

          • Diana_Christine

            oohhh German wine?! I wanna try!

          • Yes! My favorite is Blue Vin. It is a German Riesling. Sooooo goooood.

          • Diana_Christine

            I do like Riesling. I’m drinking some right now!

          • I’m sad. I only have a Cab in the house and I hate red wine o.o! It was a gift from a friend and I didn’t know how to tell them I won’t ever drink it.

          • Diana_Christine

            Don’t blame you! IT’s too dry! I want to try red moscato though, I’ve heard it’s sweeter than normal moscato

          • Hmmmm may have to force my sister to try it. She likes reds so if anything she’ll just have a bottle of wine.

          • Diana_Christine

            Yes! Make her try it. Then have some yourself and tell me how it is :p

          • Steven K.

            I think you’d really like a wine known as Brachetto then! (Such as Brachetto D’Acqui.)

          • Do you have that BLOOD SAUSAGE! Ewwwwwweeeee.

          • I actually like blood sausage. That’s a british thing, though.

          • dereule101

            omg, blood sausage reminds me of my childhood and attending my neighbors’ matança, which is a Portuguese/Azorean thing where friends and family come over, a pig gets butchered, and things get made out of it. I just remember the smell of them making the morcelas (blood sausage). :-X

          • scawway…..

          • I bow to your bravery. LOL.

          • mogoskier

            Oh…. yea that sounds horrid. Also Irish high 5

          • IRISH HIGH 5!!

      • Sapfo

        Oh poor mod, Sorry cant email any food to you. Sorry.

      • Thought you were a tad quiet… it was HUNGER warring with good behavior! YEP. Go grab a sammy… we’ll be the portrait of goodness… promise… *smiles innocently*

      • Go eat. We’re behaving right now. Staying on guard is when we act naughty 😉

    • Sapfo

      I think this might be the hunger games! How will take the virgin?

  • I am glad I don’t seem to have missed anything, the vacuum had a clog. So nasty and cleaning the vacuum out aggravates my allergies.

    • silibub

      I feel you, I was trying to vacuum my dad’s house but that thing is jacked all to hell – I was pulling carpet clumps out of the vacuum for an hour. I think the pile is too thick or something.

      • wow

        • silibub

          Stupid machine. Next time I’m calling an exorcist.

          • *leans in an whispers*

            “I think Sircea has a spell for Dad’s carpet… just sayin’.

          • silibub

            I’m sure she has spells for looots of things~

            …In which case the carpet would be very low priority.

  • QUICK! What’s your favorite food!

    • Diana_Christine

      POTATOES OR CHOCOLATE

      • YES TO BOTH! :D!

      • mogoskier

        Stake or hamburgers or rosat beast. Basically cow

        • Diana_Christine

          I’m down with those! Need something to eat with my taters! 😀

        • Great choice

    • silibub

      vodka

      • not food, but I’ll take it!

        • silibub

          *raises glass to you*

      • Diana_Christine

        …I second that

    • davefragments

      steak and potatoes

    • SofiaT

      My mom’s spanakopita.

      • mogoskier

        Dose she make Baklava?

        • SofiaT

          I don’t like baklava but she makes a kick-ass mill feuille! And her galaktompoureko (like baklava but with milk-custard filling instead of nuts and drenched in sugar syrup) is to die for.

          • mogoskier

            I’m the exact opposite love baklava but can’t stand galaktompoureko, texture is too creaming for me but it my mom’s favorite.

          • SofiaT

            You’re from the Balkans?

            Edit: if made properly, it’s not sickeningly creamy. 🙂

          • mogoskier

            Yep Greek, Irish and Italian, so I cover most of Europe.

          • SofiaT

            Ha! That’s an interesting combination… lots of yummy food.

            Except the Irish. You don’t eat boiled lamb with mint sauce or anything, do you? o.O

          • mogoskier

            Not my family, but the greek side dose try to make me drink this soup that has the lamb organs in it.

          • SofiaT

            Eww. Have never eaten that, it’s banned in my family.
            My mom makes a pork stew with avgolemono and celery instead for Easter. Yum.

          • mogoskier

            We don’t do greek easter much anymore because my greek family is ether in Greece or has moved but before we use to do a whole lamb on a stick on top of an open fire.

          • SofiaT

            The Greeks here in Australia do that because they like to hold traditions. We haven’t done that back home in years.

            I’m agnostic and my family is not religious anyway so for us these holidays are just an excuse for really great food 😀

          • mogoskier

            Yea, that why I miss greek easter, I miss the lamb so much :'(.

          • SofiaT

            I hate lamb!

          • mogoskier

            GASP, how.. no , I can’t look at you right now.

          • SofiaT

            😛

          • mogoskier

            Oh no I don’t want to dis the people how usually make it, mostly because it a Greek bakery down the street from me and make awesome things. I just have a weird thing about textures. It the same reason why I can eat sushi but not cooked fish.

          • I’m actually glad to hear I’m not alone with this issue with texture.
            There’s a lot of food I like the taste of, I just can’t eat/drink it. Like smoothies/fruit meat in juice, fruit poridge, the lumbs in yoghurt/jam, cooked aspargues/mushrooms etc.
            I hate this issue but I just can’t get it down my throat without feeling like I’m choking or gonna throw up. I largely blame my childhood nanny for this. She forced me to eat all of my strawberry yoghurt – even those horrible big mushy strawberry pieces 🙁

          • Sapfo

            Poor Danish. I cant eat cheese and egg for the textur.

    • rum cake

      • Oooooh never had!

        • My Aunt Francis makes one that is to die for. and she uses real rum and not rum extract/flavoring/whatever

    • Orange, chocolate, chocolate chip ice cream.

      • omg. that’s a thing? I want that thing!

        • Yes, it’s very much a thing. Well it was a thing at Swensens Ice cream parlor when I was a kid. Store since closed and I’ve since moved elsewhere.

          BUT, it’s easy to make if you have an ice cream maker. Make chocolate ice cream, add a 1 tsp of orange extract or maybe a little more. At the moment I have orange oil so I use that, but maybe a little less. Add chocolate chips when almost done.

  • Sapfo

    Noooooo! I dont want to. Cant i stay, just a little longer…..

    Sorry good people. Sapfo have to go now. ;_;

    • *waves bye-bye* First Holly, now you. What have it gotten to.

  • I know Alex is probably just busy.. but wouldn’t it be FUN if he’s fallen asleep or have forgotten it’s tuesday night and there’s an extra page because the donation bar filled so soon? ;-p

    And we’re all making outself starving with all the food talk while Alex is snoring away!

    *troll face on*

    • silibub

      He would wake up and find us all standing around his bed. Which would be terrifying, I hope he hasn’t dozed off…

    • He wakes up with a troll face
      *Looks at clock* 1am PST? *troll face*

      • Time is only 10.30pm where Alex is usually, so we have to wait another 2½ hours >.<
        For once I don't mind waiting actually. Makes camping longer on a crappy day.

        • He’s in the same time zone as me. Actually, I think its 10:35 there. I think they’re an hour earlier right now.
          I don’t know. Time doesn’t change here.

          (my state thinks daylight savings time is stupid)

        • silibub

          Sometimes I like the anticipation almost as much as the page!

    • Terri Sutton

      One of my thoughts is that he has forgotten. It’s Thanksgiving (the holiday where Americans celebrate the slaughter of their native populous); he probably has to travel (or has relatives who are travelling to him), the gathering, preparation and cooking of a huge amount of food and all the 101 things that suddenly have to be done just before the celebration/feast. It wouldn’t surprise me if it has managed to slip his mind.

      • Ahahahahahahahaha… can you imagine the next morning and the Kyle sized “ooops” as he has to face his MODS who give him the stink eye for leaving them hanging….. Now THAT is funny…. in a sick twisted sorta way. 🙂

  • Diana_Christine

    Even though I just joined all you lovely campers, I feel as though I must leave. For my horrid teachers didn’t cancel class tomorrow 🙁 But you can count on me being back on Friday! If my day doesn’t kill me!

    • D:!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

    • Aw! Hope to see you then!

    • Evil teachers… they shall rue the day Laampros comes for them first. Ho-hum…too bad. LOL. Well you can’t say you didn’t warn them right?

      You did warn them….. right?

      • Steven K.

        Uh oh.

        • Ummmm… oh dear….

          • Steven K.

            Actually – I might be in quite a lot of trouble – I have a class that’s scheduled from 6-9 Wed. evening that I have not even thought of cancelling (well, I’m not free to anyway, as the Holiday at my college is OFFICIALLY Thurs. & Fri. ONLY).

          • Good luck!!!!

          • Seeing all this talk about class getting in the way of camping made me realize I’ll still be at my parents on Friday and won’t get to camp.

            Grrr! There’s no way I’ll be able to get on a computer for any length of time without my brother and Dad standing over me asking me what I’m looking at.

  • Adam Black

    I Broke IN!

    • AWSOME! Let the snarking begin.!!! 🙂

      • Adam Black

        im tired.
        ill need some snarkspiration, first.

        • understood… will think.

        • Steven K.

          I’ll do my best to tread lightly tonight and not inspire you. Someday I’m going to have to ask about the football team thing though – but NOT now – I might have to go anyway.

      • Steven K.

        Why do I get the feeling that if I were the one to be making an implication that someone had a tendency to be snarky, I’d get in trouble?

        • Adam Black

          It’s purely your imagination. ( or your guilt* ? )

          ….transference? indigestion? alternate universe? mistaken identity? amnesia?

          ( * There was a certain time “in the American Continents” , …)

  • I keep hoping it has posted… I have to go to sleep soon! I have work and a flight tomorrow!

  • Sorry, y’all. I was traveling home to the East Coast for Thanksgiving and if you’ve been watching the news, travel has been a nightmare today. But after many delays and some drama, finally landed and settled so page should be updated shortly… 🙂

    • Thanks for the update, Alex! Happy Thanksgiving to you!

      • Thank you! Happy Thanksgiving to you too! 😀

        (Or as Terri put it “the holiday where Americans celebrate the slaughter of their native populous” :p )

        • Ha, ha! That’s definitely one way to put it.

          Seriously, I’m glad you made it there safely. My parents only live an hour’s drive away so I’m very lucky I don’t have to travel far.

        • silibub

          We should really stop making elementary school kids put on construction-paper headdresses and pilgrim hats and act out the G-rated fluff version of “Thanksgiving,” and just officially admit that we want a day where we can eat whatever the hell we want without feeling judged.

        • Terri Sutton

          I first heard about Thanksgiving while watching “The Addams Family Values” when I was a child, that movie left a lasting impression (especially about Thanksgiving).

          • LOL. Wednesday’s revised Thanksgiving was my favorite part of that movie. ^_^

          • Terri Sutton

            Mine too. My favourite part of that scene was where the blonde girl was tied to a stake and Wednesday threated to burn her alive.

          • I love Wednesday. She is my #1 from the Addams family.

    • silibub

      Glad you made it safely! Traveling east is always a crapshoot this time of year.

    • Yay! 🙂 And don’t tell me that travel is going to be hell. I am travelling tomorrow afternoon! D:

      • Alas, supposedly it will be worse tomorrow. Plan for the unexpected is my advice…

        • dereule101

          At least you’re out here now before the real stuff starts rather than up in the air or in an airport!

        • Well…foo…Thanks, Alex. Hopefully since I’m just going to Texas it won’t be toooooo bad.

          • If you can avoid the northeast, I bet you’ll be ok. 🙂

          • Luckily it’s a straight shot to Houston and then after that a little hop to San Antonio. No NE travel until Feb.

          • I’ve heard the same from Texan friends… hopefully you should be okay. Good safe travels. And whatever you do don’t let Sircea tentacle you through a portal… it only looks good in the beginning…

          • Looks like it could be fun but at the same time, I’m not into tentacle porn >_>
            <_<
            wut

      • Safe travels, Kinzie!

      • See, Alex was traveling as I first suggested 🙂
        Aww.. I just realized this mean I have to stop posting teasing comments of why no page xD

        • mogoskier

          Why real information never stop us before.:p

        • You can still post teasing comments 😀

    • mogoskier

      Oh man, the weather here sucks today I am glad you made it there safe.

      • For a bit it looked like I would not. Thought I might be stuck in DC for the night. Luckily, was able to get on the last flight out…

        • Bravo well done… I’ve been stuck in D.C. and it’s not fun unless you are rich or powerful or Laampros. 😛

    • I heard it’s been a weather nightmare. Condolences and welcome home!

    • Glad you made here safe! It was raining all day and as of right now it is snowing. Though I am sure up north they didn’t have the rain.

      • mogoskier

        SNOW NO NO GOD NO, “looks out window” okay still only rain. Don’t do that to me, I still have to use the mta for travel and there bad enough with rain

        • Where are you at?

          • mogoskier

            Brooklyn

          • ………Do you have THE accent? The accent that is distinctly Brooklyn?

          • mogoskier

            Nope but I speak fluent Brooklynises.

          • …..have you heard the Hispanic-Brooklyn accent?

          • mogoskier

            Yes but the ones I hear are not that strong, the really thick ones is the hispanic-bronxes ones

          • The Hispanic-Brooklyn I heard was definitely quite…..unique

      • Thank you! 🙂

    • Glad you made it safely!

    • Jamie Dutton

      Glad you made it back safe and sound, Alex!

  • Good evening, everyone! Thought I’d missed the party.

    • SofiaT

      Looks like you’re right in time Gryph! 🙂

      • I’m super tired today, had to get up for an early meeting but seeing everyone here makes me so happy.

        • SofiaT

          I know the feeling. I have a horrible headache but I’d rather be here than napping to get rid of it 🙂

          • So, so true.

          • Awww crap… I’d sing you a lullaby, but with my singing I’d probably send you the Emergency Room. So hope you feel better soon!

            Not migraine I hope… My sister get’s those and it’s the END OF DAYS… feel better!

  • Sapfo

    I am back and my radio is playing… Baby think twice Celine Dion O.o

    • Jac

      Thank youuuuuu <3

  • @disqus_FidZAwLkzS:disqus just in case your wi fi is acting up…
    page: http://webcomics.yaoi911.com/archive/ete-ch3pt1-page-2

  • Michelle Grifka

    love that sillhouette in the last panel

  • SpookyDomme

    Awww.

  • Dude, I just read the sound effects for the first time and realized that Paul is playing Angry Birds, (“Squak!” “Oink!” “Ding” haha). I love all the little details that get thrown in here.

  • 🙁