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The Young Protectors: Engaging The Enemy Chapter Three—Page 53

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  • Yay for pencils!

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Congratulations, Admiral!

    • Sapfo

      Virgin? You? Never!

  • davefragments

    A pencil – I wondered when she was going to get around to that revelation – – immortality is a curse and not a blessing

  • Wow…..PP…do you need to ask the wizard for a heart?

  • stickfigurefairytales

    Pfff, people! Like they matter.

  • James Wade

    You are not ready for immortality. – Kosh

    • CH

      Only those whose lives are brief can imagine that love is eternal.

  • stickfigurefairytales

    Well, we have some of our answers about Sircea. She used to have immortality but lost that, presumably to the Grey Working, and my guess is that she’s been aging regularly since then.

    • IamM

      Even if she’s been aging very slowly since then, it would still imply an eventual end approaching. Imagine that after hundreds or thousands of years of being immortal.

      Her description does make the idea that the Grey working was intended in whole or in part to harm her, or powerful magic users like her, seem more likely. Especially the use of the word stolen. Why would somebody risk their life with dangerous magic to kill such a sweet old lady?

  • Sapfo

    Just woke up to this. And it is a wonderful

    • Morning Sapfo sweet!

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Good morning! 🙂

  • Well Sircea is really a piece of work. Talk about a haughty expression.

  • SofiaT

    Ah. Sircea is all about equality.
    It’s so clear now.

    • No women and children first with her.

      • SofiaT

        No misandrist there!

        • She’s an equal opportunity “ist”. She hates everyone.

          • SofiaT

            Exactly.
            Although hate might be too strong a word. You don’t hate the ants that you happen to step on, do you?

          • You might, but you’re right. Hmmm. Oh! She disregards everyone equally

          • SofiaT

            She dis- everyone equally >:D

          • Ha! Yes!

          • silibub

            “A misandrist? Never. I disregard all human life equally.”

          • Ha! Yes.

    • Absolutely. And to further the goal of equality, Duncan really needs to wear an itty bitty outfit just like hers.

      • SofiaT

        100% with you there. >:D

        • Step 1: Remove the armour. 🙂

          • SofiaT

            Oh, David… *sigh*

            …Well, different motives, same outcome. We both want him out of his clothes. 😛

  • SofiaT

    “My darling”?

    What’s next? “Baby”?

    • silibub

      “Sircea, honey, doll-face, sugar, light of my life…you’re being a huge douche right now.”

    • stickfigurefairytales

      “My ragtime gal”?

    • Schmoopy!

    • as I didn’t know which reply to put this under….

      Holy childhood movie scene just popped into my head, Sofia!

      http://youtu.be/XQtDdb9Pt_Y

    • Keneu

      Amorcito mío, corazón, cielín, reina de las diademas de papel de aluminio. xD

      • SofiaT

        Ha! Queen of the tinfoil tiaras!

        I understood it all but cielin… Little sky?

        • Keneu

          Yeah, it’s a dork endearement – like something Ned Flanders would say. I’ve never heard anyone calling another person “cielo” -much less “cielín”-, it was only used in dubbed movies that were released originally in English, probably to keep up with the lip movements.

  • Sapfo

    Yay! PP have spoken. Everyones going to die painfully, Besides her and Duncan. Living forever never dieing, but I wonder if they know what they might have too live through.

  • davefragments

    If you lived for a very long time and watched your children and their children grow old, sicken and die, would you begin to think that immortality or longevity was a blessing with all that heartbreak?
    No.
    What is astounding is that she still craves power – We should be royalty, she says. We should be worshipped, she says.
    Gee! PP or Sircea – I don’t care how old you are you are not entitled to anything more than anyone else.

    • Klaus

      We are living in a very unusual society, where we take it for granted that we are all equal, or at least that we should ideally be so. For most of history, it was not so. In much of the worl even today, it is not so. Of course the PP does not think so.

  • Keneu

    If the last pannel would make a nice T-shirt, the first one would be a neat meme. xD She has a crazy look on her face.

  • Jakk Anthony Guzman

    If Sircea was all-powerful and immortal as she says, then what was she doing during the last 6000 years?

    Why wasn’t she ruling the Earth and being worshiped and living like royalty like she wants to do now?

    • This… is an amazing question! Thinking we will find out the answer soon…

    • stickfigurefairytales

      She kept meaning to get around to it, but stuff kept coming up.

      • We all know that is. Stuff just happens. I mean her high score on Angry Birds had to be defended and all that.

        • stickfigurefairytales

          Way back when, they had to use actual birds for that!

          • Indeed. It wasn’t easy maintaining those birds. The wrong spell, a bad throw and poof bye bye birdie. And I’m quite certain that Sircea would not put up with those piggies laughing at her.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            At least fifty percent of this plan sprung out of her need for revenge against the pigs.

          • Those pigs and their laughter! I can’t blame her for wanting revenge against them.

      • Jen Roberts

        Hey, Netflix doesn’t watch itself.

    • mogoskier

      Maybe she was and after she lost her power ,she lost her crown.

    • I think she gave up a load of power when the walls were build. It still left her with magic and immortality, and her current name as well as the men in hoods suggest that she HAS been worshipped at some point – and still is having followers.
      I just guess that her powers have weakened further as the years have past, and maybe she lost more status as she fully lost her immortality and/or as new meta humans evolved.
      It’s getting harder to be worshipped as a goddess when people with powers multiply. It stops being spectacular in the same way.

  • Sapfo

    So our dear PP have been immortal, but it is not anymore. Being immortal is sometimes seen as a curse. But I think that those who once have become immortal and have been it for so long. must feel very fragile once death is presented as a possibility again. And I dont think PP take being fragile as something good.

    • Keneu

      Just as the Annihilator. Birds of a feather…

      • Sapfo

        Not yet. PP have been alive for 6000 years. Duncan have not done that yet. But if everything goes their way, then he might be just the same way.

        • Keneu

          Yes, I guess it all depends on what he decides to do. By the way, it seems like they don’t see beyond “we have lost our powers, we must get it back to do whatever we want again!” They don’t seem to think about any other supervillain taking advantage of the situation to get revenge on them or being captured by the government or something like that. Probably they keep the fact well hidden, or they would already be done for.

  • So.. how many has she lost personally?… Any children? Has she learned all this the hard way?

    They bicker like an old couple, are they just that? Is this a way for her to prevent she’ll be all alone once again and/or is the only reason why she includes Duncan that she really need him to help? Duncan could go to hell where she probably can’t at her human state.

    Questions, questions and as always new interesting things to consider 🙂

    I had a feeling that she somehow lost her immortality along the way, as she got weaker, and now grows old just like a ‘regular’ human. This appears to be the case. Must sting to grow old for someone who has lived for 6000 years. It’s not even that funny for the ‘normal’ humans 😉

    “When you live as an immortal…” I guess this is both a warning and a wake up call for Duncan of how it’s going to be with the consequences of what they’re doing.
    This again shows how great apart they are in age. Duncan self question it all, Sircea is indifferent to it – after all she’s tried it multiple times before. She just wants her greatness back.

    Duncan might be 58, but in this case he’s young and naive xD

    • Sapfo

      the first question. Maybe she can not have any children.

      • That’s the question. Can’t she – or as she given birth to human children only to see them gro old and die?

        • Sapfo

          reminds me of queen of the damned

        • Jakk Anthony Guzman

          Not only that, but she would see her grandchildren and great-grandchildren grow old and die too.
          I think that probably she hasn’t had any, otherwise she would be more empathetic, but maybe she has no empathy whatsoever.

          • Terri Sutton

            Maybe that is why she has no empathy. She has seen her children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren etc. grow old, wither and die if they were lucky, if they were unlucky, well their lives could easily be described brutal and short.

      • Keneu

        Or doesn’t want to.

    • Soirbleu

      I had the impression that rather than being an “along the way” thing that it was a direct result/the “consequence” she experienced as a result of the Grey Working, no?
      Also, Danishwolf, as a frequent lurker but an infrequent poster (well completely new as of last week if one was being accurate), I wanted to tell you that I really enjoy reading your comments. They always seem thoughtful and insightful and usually give me something interesting to mull over. So thank you.

      • Thank you. It’s always nice to know people like my comments and get something more out of them than just a short read 🙂

        I should have specified better what I meant about Sircea losing her powers along the way, because I meant it as you said it – about losing the immortality at once, along the way from first losing some powers and slowly weakening as time went by.

        Last, welcome to the vocal side of the comments 🙂

  • silibub

    Ha, I thought of a Deadpool quote I’ve seen floating around Tumblr — I don’t remember the exact words, but Spider-man was questioning the morality of killing some people and Deadpool’s response was something along the lines of “Whoa, yeah, it sounds terrible when you put it like that. But yes, we’re going to un-alive them.”

    Anyway, harsh, but not technically untrue. I figured this would be her mindset — since she’s seen so many people die throughout her life, death has lost its sense of gravity (except her personal case). So yes, women and children don’t get a break when it comes to their inevitable shuffle off the mortal coil, but come on, you’re still a person deciding the fate of billions, not the inexorable personification of death. There’s still a moral component to this choice. (Why am I typing like I’m arguing with her directly? My god, this rhetorical device could lead me anywhere. So…what are you wearing? Oh never mind, I see it. Niiice.)

    Ahem. I have a slightly alternate take on her last line, though — if anything, she seems bitter as she says it, possibly because she’d be aware of the hypocrisy behind the high moral notion of protecting the women and children, when in reality they’ve been some of the most victimized throughout history. I imagine she’s seen some pretty horrible things done to both groups in her lifetime — probably to people she cared about, although that might have been a very long time ago. Still, it seems like she’s content with securing her own safety, and doesn’t care to protect anyone else even if they are vulnerable: not exactly a champion of the downtrodden. Yeah, you chase that crown, sweetheart, and let those proles eat cake.

    So! Interesting to hear that she was immortal at some point. I hope we figure out how she managed that. Her arms are always covered, so she might have the mark of a demonic pact on her like Duncan and we just don’t know it. Also interesting that she’s keen on getting her immortality and full range of power back, but she doesn’t seem to place as much importance on a youthful appearance, or at least not enough to mention it. It’s actually a very nice change of pace to have an older woman in a story not be preoccupied with signs of aging — another way of turning the focus away from her sexuality and avoiding objectifying her, since she’s not scrutinizing her appearance and thereby inviting us as readers to do so as well.

    (This is getting kind of disjointed. I should start outlining my comments ahead of time.) Finally, I notice Duncan is still taking on the full responsibility of this decision, even though it’s becoming increasingly evident that Sircea has coaxed him along this path. I don’t know whether that speaks more to her manipulation or to Duncan’s possible martyr complex.

    Thanks for yet another fantastic page! I’m always excited to see the pencils, and now we still get to look forward to the colored version. You guys rock!

    • Thank you, silibub. Another very nice analysis. It’s fun reading your insight into her character and the nuances you pick up. 🙂

      • silibub

        Yeah, I don’t spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about this or anything…ha, but no, I really appreciate the depth you’re giving her, as well as this opportunity to get some insight into her character. I’ve been having a great time in the comments over these past several pages!

  • All else aside.. Sircea rules in that last panel.

    I wouldn’t want her to stare at me with that expesssion 😉
    Adam, you are truly great at drawing emotions.

    • silibub

      It would be a little soul-crushing, wouldn’t it? But it goes well with the pointy-horns look her tiara gives her, haha.

    • davefragments

      How about Laampros? Think he knows about her immortality and how cold she is?

  • silibub

    Ok, I’m going for a run — after a new page is always a good time because I’m fired up! Can’t think too hard about it, though, or I’ll wind up tripping over something. See you all later, and thanks again Alex, Adam, and Vero! ♥

    • Make certain to avoid any zombies

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Have fun!

  • Jen Roberts

    Brrrrrrr. It got cold in here.

    • There must be some Sircea in the atmosphere…

      No? I’ll just show myself out now xD
      (point if you know the reference)

      • bobbyjoeguy

        Ha Ha gotta love a “Bring It On” reference!

  • Sunseahl Silverfall

    Can i just say….

    Sircea is so pissed she made everything all kinds of shades of silver, chrome and platinum XD

  • Adam Black

    whos up?

    • SofiaT

      I am, but I’m also at work for the next two hours 😛

      • Adam Black

        but now you are free

        • SofiaT

          Lol, I just got out of the shower.
          Impeccable timing.

          • Adam Black

            Well Im totally not stalking your house.
            Im probably on the other side of the world

            but if I wasnt… How good is my timing, again?

    • Still around for a bit.

      • Adam Black

        How much is a bit?

    • Soirbleu

      Me. For a little bit.

    • Sapfo

      You are?

  • timemonkey

    To me this just screams ‘I don’t value any life but my own, even you are disposable once I have what I want, run while you can.’

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  • John

    I think there’s some backstory to that last panel.

  • Cman65

    Look out Annie the PP will come for you next, unless RedHot and his friends kick both your butts

  • Terri Sutton

    That last picture of PP on one side of the T-Shirt and that last line on the otherside of the T-Shirt. I’d buy that!

  • Just posted the work-in-progress colors. 🙂

  • I didn’t think that last look could become anymore chilling. I was wrong. Beautiful work, Veronica!

  • Richard Grant Muir

    What a great page! Perfectly sums up the PP’s personality. I totally can see Duncan turning on PP out of guilt, spurned on by Kyle’s raw emotions.

    Prince of Hell + Competent magic users…. That will be how the walls are repaired, while slighting Llampros.

    Also, one wonders who Kyle’s mom is!

  • Adi Zeller

    Oh, yeah, Lady, you’re the only sane one left. Clearly!

  • silibub

    Sircea’s expression in the last panel reminds me a lot of Maven, actually. Ladies, please!

    • Saxon_Brenton

      Oh my goodness, you’re right. And now that I flip through the Artifice TPB, Maven uses the same look-down-her-nose-and-sneer-out-of-one-side-of-her-mouth expression at least three times.
      [thinks] Does this mean the Platinum Priestess is also “too cool to die”?

      • silibub

        She’s been too cool to die for 6,000 years already, so I hope she continues in that vein!

    • SofiaT

      You know, I didn’t realise who Maven was when you wrote this. Then I was about to post that Sircea’s sneer look a hell of a lot like Clarice’s -and it hit me. Facepalm moment 😀

      (I’ve read Artifice so many times that there’s really no excuse. No. Excuse.)

    • JesBelle

      Speaking of “Artifice,” anybody catch the shout-out by Jess Fink on this week’s “Oh Joy, Sex Toy?”

  • Toli Bera

    Hmm… Anni might be worth redeeming…. *Ponders and watches*

  • Kate G

    “So he does have a heart. An itty bitty one.” -The Return of Jafar. IT JUST SEEMED APT.

    (Man, thank God this page isn’t covered in frills, bows and pink….like Teahouse. Holy smokes, my eyes! *shudders*)

    I love that we’re seeing a new dimension to Sircea’s (aka Metal Boobs) and Annihilator’s relationship. Metal Boobs has definitely been around for centuries and it seems she couldn’t care less about the human-plebeian type yet she’s forgetting that, essentially, Duncan is still part of the plebeian folk; he still has a heart. He still has the ability to form doubts.

    It seems immortality comes with a trade-off: you lose any ability to value in a human life. It cuts off the importance of what living is all about: experiencing new things before you die because, well, YOU CAN’T DIE. She’s had that taken away and she still sees no value in HUMAN lives; she doesn’t see herself as human because, in a way, she isn’t. She’s too old. She’d be bones by our terms, but she’s still human in a way because she can be killed now.

    Sircea has now become iiiiiiiiiiiiiincredibly interesting.

  • Hrmmmm curiouser and curiouser…. the more we learn about PP the more she seems like a victim in some regards…. “Women and Children receive no special dispensation.” If she is around 6000 years old this would put her in a time where Women and Children were dispensable commodities, could it be she was a mother, or (considering her physical age) grandmother, and watched as he child / grandchild (possibly both female) were disposed of in such a manner as to drive her into (or perhaps further into) the “dark arts” finding a way to achieve immortality through magical means to take revenge on all the descendants of those who would have done this. Most of which could or would live not in North America (the only place safe from this deal). She seems to care more about reaquiring her power and imortality then helping Duncan do the same. only time will tell……

  • I have to admit to being a bit befuddled. She was immortal? Now she isn’t? When and how did that happen? Did I miss something?

    • Klaus

      The Grey Working weakened her, she said.

  • Klaus

    Alex, it is up to you if that t-shirt gets made, isn’t it?

    • True. T-shirts are dangerous, though, from a costs perspective. As merch, they are heavy, expensive to make (especially if you want any quality) and you have to carry a ton of sizes. Also, from what I hear from other webcomic creators, readers often get excited about the idea of a T-shirt, but when the shirt is made, they often don’t sell. (Or, more to the point, only 10 T-shirts actually sell out of the whole batch, even with comics with a much larger audience than ours.) Back in the day, T-shirts used to be a great option for webcomic creators, but now, it seems, not so much. So… I’ve been cautious about offering them.

      But that might change soonish… I have a shirt I’m thinking of trying. And if that works out, I’ll create another one. Stay tuned. 🙂

      • Klaus

        It would need to be really exceptional t-shirt for me to buy it. Postage from wherever they are made just makes them too expensive.

  • CH

    Is this an appropriate spot to say to Sircea “calm down girl” and try to get her to take a deep breath?
    Ah, well, either way it might be advisable for you to run, Duncan, like now.

  • AUScitizen2

    I wish Duncan will turn on her and reverse this whole fiasco before it’s too late! Is it too much to hope for that he really had some feelings for Kyle or just some human feelings, period? He seems to be having reservations about what he’s part of and she’s such a heartless bitch maybe he doesn’t really love her after all, and maybe he really is gay so he’ll dump the cold fish? 🙂 Ahhh, I’m dreaming, I know. But I liked him and didn’t want him to be really evil, especially not evil enough to sacrifice the whole world! What do you folks think?

    • SofiaT

      He’s not evil.
      He has a unique moral code, one that would not be
      universally accepted… and his moral compass doesn’t exactly point to
      the North… but he’s not evil. 🙂

      • Klaus

        Who is most evil, she who sees nothing wrong in what she does, or he who agonises about how wrong it is, but does it anyway?

        • SofiaT

          Sometimes there are no right choices.
          Feeling conflicted about them, is the least one can do.

          Duncan has his own reasons for acting the way he does, and what these reasons are we still don’t know completely. What we do know, is that he has
          human emotions, and a sense of right and wrong, skewed as it might be.

          Sircea is what ancient people would call “a goddess” (before the idea of a kind and all-loving god was spread around) and what modern society would call “a sociopath”. No sense of empathy whatsoever.

          There are different definitions of evil, as “evil” in itself it’s a rather philosophical term. We can argue about them all day, but for me, that’s it.

          • Yukiness

            I agree with this. Not to mention that Sircea is 6000 years old. She has spent decades of watching people suffer and die in various ways for various reasons. Eventually the cycle of violence would wear away your empathy and sympathy. Why give away such obsolete emotions when you have encountered hundreds of the variations of a similar, if not the same, circumstances before.

            Up to a some centuries ago, a war lord decided that killing the families and citizens of the opposing country or faction was wrong, and that was profound for it’s time. Let the women, children, and elderly go free? So no raping and pillaging? And to this day we have tried to adopt this moral code but thousands of years ago humans were not so like minded. Sircea has lived long enough to understand the human capacity of suffering, destruction, and then some. However, she has also lived long enough to understand humanity’s ability to struggle, survive horrendous conditions, adapt, and bounce back. She has seen every plague there is and/or demonic summoning gone awry.

            So I cannot call her evil for that. It’s streamlining, and it’s a shoe she just doesn’t fit

        • r-o-t-a

          This right here, on so many levels, is so right.

      • john Johnson

        Anti-hero. I tend to think they’re more realistic about the world.

    • Klaus

      The problem with that is that the walls really are weakening. You don’t want to take the PP’s word on that? Then see here: http://webcomics.yaoi911.com/archive/ete-bonus1-page-25/

      Something must be done.

  • Klaus

    Circea is not being very clever here. If she knows Duncan well, she should know that that is not the way to convince him. She could have pointed out that when the walls come tumbling down, even more people will suffer. It may be that they have years. It may be that in those years, she could teach Spooky how to mend the walls. It may be, though it is highly unlikely, that he would not go mad as he got deeper understanding of magic. And it just may be that the two of them would have power enough between them to mend the walls. But if they choose that route, and any of these mays turn out not be so, the Earth becomes just another part of hell. That might have convinced him.

    In stead she let slip her real reason for not choosing that way: she is not satisfied with saving the Earth. She also wants to be immortal (again). If that requires billions of humans to be tormented, so be it.

    • SofiaT

      I agree. From what we’ve seen so far, Duncan has considered this plan a necessary evil. He admits that he has his own selfish reasons for going through with it, but it also appears that he thought this was the best -or at least not the worst- course of action for Earth; the alternative, must have been even grimmer, so he went for the lesser of two evils.
      A smart move on Sircea’s part, would be to remind him and convince him of that.

      He’s already second-guessing their supposed lack of other available options, and if he’s smart (which we already know he is), her speech, instead of pacifying him will make more warning bells go off.
      Is this really the best and only option they have? Or is it the best option for Sircea?

      I’ll go with curtain #2.

    • john Johnson

      It might be that learning in another dimension would make a difference. And if he’s the kid that was carrying the demon’s head, maybe his madness just took a different turn.

    • IamM

      Yeah. The answer to his comment is some people (okay a lot) can be demon chow now or soon enough everybody is demon chow and probably forever.

    • silibub

      She does seem to be losing patience — this is the second time she’s snapped at Duncan to not be stupid/a baby about this — but I’m not sure she’s let anything slip that he doesn’t already know. It depends on how she’s framed the problem in the past, how much of a hand she’s had in forming the plan overall, and how recently Duncan has started feeling this deeply conflicted.

      Duncan has been consistent in claiming responsibility for what’s going to happen, which implies that this was mainly his idea (or at least that he believes that it is). He’s been largely motivated to strike a deal with Laampros by his fear of ageing, having his power wane, and then dying — so far nothing has suggested that Sircea is responsible for planting that fear, only that Duncan’s getting older and feeling the effects for himself. One of Duncan’s failings is that he’s been selfish and willing to sacrifice innocent people to get what he wants; it seems like up until now he’s been able to rationalize their actions, but now that he’s seen Hell for himself and spent time with someone who’s truly kind, he’s made uncertain by his new perspective on the situation.

      Their whole interaction here implies that Duncan’s moral conflict is a new development. Here’s how I’m reading it: I imagine that before, driven by fear/selfishness and pleased to have found a solution to the impending crisis that also solved his personal problems, Duncan didn’t need to be that strongly persuaded to stick to this plan — or if he did waver, it would be sufficient for Sircea to point out that it’s their only option and better than the alternative. Since the ends justified the means in Duncan’s mind, he would have accepted that argument. But now he’s unsure about what used to be his core principle, and that has to throw Sircea off a bit. Like, what, suddenly we’re supposed to care about the people we’re sacrificing? Such a buzzkill, Duncan, honestly. Now he feels guilty about his self-serving motivations and the fact that he and Sircea will benefit nicely from this deal at the expense of billions, so he’s playing that aspect down and making it primarily about saving the world. All of this indicates some positive personal growth for Duncan, but from Sircea’s perspective it’s coming at the worst possible time, and now she either has to go along with the way he’s reframing the problem and gently coax him back into gear, or try blowing his argument apart so as to nip this “moral conscience” thing in the bud. Apparently she’s choosing the second option — which isn’t all that surprising, given her distorted views on death and morality.

      What I’m saying in the wordiest way possible is that Sircea has probably already made the “temporary Hell” versus “permanent Hell” argument (or Duncan has made it himself, to himself), and in Duncan’s current frame of mind wherein the ends no longer seem to justify the means, that alone probably would no longer be a sufficient reason anyway. So I don’t think that Sircea’s missing the obvious way to persuade him; I think she realizes that that method will no longer work, and it’s pissing her off that she has to humor this new line of thought at such a critical juncture. As for revealing her true motivation, I think Duncan probably knew that saving the world just to rule it was what she was after the whole time — and in fact, that it used to be what he was after, too, only now he’s having a moral crisis and feels bad that he let himself be so influenced by selfishness. So the question is, will his opinion of Sircea sour because she’s not similarly conflicted, and will their new difference of perspective drive a wedge between them that they won’t resolve before the crisis comes to a head?

      • Klaus

        I agree with most of what you say. However, Ithink that saving the world was always the main thing for Duncan. That is not necessarily altruistic. Who wants to live in Hell?

        In chapter 2 Duncan is trying hard to convince Kyle that his motives are entirely selfish. Who knows, maybe he is also trying to convince himself? He is troubled by the feelings he has for Kyle, and wants to close that door once and for all.

  • bronakopdin

    I enjoy seeing Duncans second thoughts a lot! Seems our Kyle had quite an impact on him! Maybe he even just hid those thoughts inside himself for years, but the interaction with Kyle brought them to daylight!
    Circea on the other hand is you typical Ice Queen somehow ^^’

    I doubt she can persuade Duncan the way she’s trying to talk it down into meaninglessness…

    I sure am curious how this discussion continues!

  • john Johnson

    Okay. Now we know who’s evil in this series. Is she human? Or cursed into human form?

  • Yukiness

    I’m enjoying PP a lot more as a character now. Loving the ambiguity of her statements and how deeply personal it all feels.

    P.S That fish comment on tumblr had me in stitches. Imagine PP and Anni fishing peacefully as the world is slowly burning around them

  • Ireyon

    She’s technically right. Being a woman or a child doesn’t really afford you any protection outside of what people are willing to give to you. Six thousand years ago it was probably common to supress women and kill male children when you conquered somewhere to wipe out potential heirs.

    I’ve also never heard of an illness that stops at age or gender. So she’s either completely utilitarian or living in a moral mytopia. I wonder whether she’ll be a hypocrite about this or not.

    Well. Let’s see if her plan to avert the apocalypse actually works. History is written by those who were right after all.

    • Yukiness

      History was written by those who won

      • Ireyon

        So gaining immortality and preventing the end of the world as we know it isn’t winning in your book? Or what was that supposed to mean?

        • Yukiness

          It is winning.

    • indigofromage

      I’d say prostate problems are pretty gender-specific…

      • Klaus

        Color blindness, hæmophilia, …

        • indigofromage

          No, and sort of. Colour blindness shows a marked tendency to appear in males (1 in 20), yes, but can affect women too (1 in 200). Haemophilia is present but asymptomatic in women.

          • Ireyon

            Haemophilia in females is extremely rare, but it is possible. It’s because they need all genes on the X chromosome to be defective, which is just extremely unlikely (except in cases of severe inbreeding). Men have XY, so they need just the one defect on Y from their mother.

          • indigofromage

            The Y can only come from the father, and would actually end the trait then and there. The defect for both haemophilia A and B lie in the X chromosome alone.

      • Ireyon

        Prostate problems stop at women because they don’t have a prostata. It is perfectly possible for a women to develop cancer in the area where a prostata is in a male, it just wouldn’t be called prostata cancer because the organ isn’t present.

        • indigofromage

          Which is my point. Women don’t have prostates, so they can’t have prostate problems.

          • Omar Cantu

            Lindsey´s point was that that only applies to people who were born women while there are women who were born men. In that case a woman could have a prostate.

      • Lindsey Amethyst Hampton

        If you assume trans women don’t exist, this is true. But since trans women do exist, this isn’t true.

  • r-o-t-a

    It’s interesting for me how much this scene is revealing, but even more so how it is changing my opinion of Sircea. In chapter one, I really didn’t like her very much. She seemed a bit forced to me, probably because she had such little ‘screen time’. Now I can see that she is a strong and very wise woman. I respect her moral standing.

    She’s seen human life as such a fleeting thing and she is a confidant and powerful woman, it’s no wonder she holds her own interests so highly. And she is being a utilitarian. In her long-lived eyes it’s no wonder the Earth as a whole seems more important to her then one generation. She’s now up there with my most respected characters, along with poor, overlooked Mitch (who I can’t wait to get to know better).

    I have one question though. I am still sceptical as to why she has such a revealing outfit? It’s obviously not following stereotypes, I know better than to expect that in this comic, so what is the true reason? I have moved on from being somewhat bitter about it to taking a step back to really consider why. Is it to give the impression of a confidant woman? Is it actually made of platinum or some sort of material that focuses/augments her power? Would she prefer to be a nudist but instead conforms to society’s norms? Does she just like to look sexy and knows she doesn’t need excessive armour to protect herself in battle?

    Any of these are plausible to me.

    • I’ve wondered some of the same things about her outfit. But the truth is that all people like to dress themselves as they wish. Some aggressively sexy and some to disguise themselves and everything in between. And, all the time, the truth is we rarely know why people choose what they choose. I look at Sircea’s outfit as 6,000 year of attitude that I’ll never understand without some serious explanation.

  • indigofromage

    While at this stage I can’t say I support Sircea’s actions – whatever they are right now – I completely agree with her logic. Assuming we avoid being hit by a speeding truck, we do all suffer and die in the end (particularly if well-meaning but ill-informed relatives prolong our suffering with protracted palliative treatment).

    She has doubtlessly seen many generations of (mortal) humans age, wither, and perish; perhaps even had feelings for some of them. As an immortal, it must be a horrible experience to see everyone you know and like/love die while you continue to endure, and would therefore be equally horrific to know that suddenly you, too, will degenerate into decrepitude and death.

    Again, I think the active sacrifice of billions for the preservation of your way and length of life is unjustifiably selfish and rather dismissive of the sheer magnitude of the people to be affected, but her reasoning is sound. There also appears to be a bigger picture that we’re missing right now, so I’m looking forward to see how this develops!

    • purplefoxglove

      “She has doubtlessly seen many generations of (mortal) humans age, wither, and perish; perhaps even had feelings for some of them. As an immortal, it must be a horrible experience to see everyone you know and like/love die while you continue to endure […]”

      Been thinking along the same lines. Ever since Sircea said she was 6,000 years old, I had Erra from the Kate Daniels Series in mind. She’s 5,000 years old, give or take a little, completely psychotic, and at one point, she tells Kate to live…as long as she [Erra] did, and see everyone and everything she loved and cared about whither and die. Or something along these lines; I don’t have the book at hand right now.

      I’m not sure what would be worse: to see everybody you care about grow old and die, to know that one day, it’s your place to go, or to suffer from endless repetition on one hand and sudden and incomprehensible changes on the other. Taking these options into account, Sircea is actually surprisingly sane…or rather, she seems to be surprisingly sane. So far.

      • I had some very similar thoughts about Sircea and the “old ones” from the Kate Daniels series in mind. Power corrupts absolutely and endless life make you different than your fellow human.

  • TwoWayStar

    This is NOT the way to cinvince him what you’re doing is right especially now that things are down to the wire! Your frustration got the better of you, you’re going to give him MORE doubts, not placate him!

    Bad planning girl, bad planning.

  • Klaus

    Immortality does not last for ever.

    • indigofromage

      doesn’t that rather negate the definition of immortality?

      • Klaus

        We are all immortal for a limited time.

        • JozefAL

          Actually, there’s a philosophy that basically says as long as people know your name, you’re immortal. Along with this is the idea that anything you create–music, literature, art, children–helps you on the path to immortality.

  • From the point of view of the universe, all lives are the same length, even the very long and the very short.

    From the point of view of the people, longer ones are better.

    Sireca needs to meet Discworld’s Death. (They wouldn’t get on.)

    TRiG.

    • Cman65

      I can see her meeting a death who will not be as kind as The Death of Discworld would of been

    • Jac

      I’d love to see that conversation.

    • bergulme .

      She needs meet Susan or Granny Weatherwax. That would be an epic showdown.

    • Klaus

      At the start of the Sandman story Brief Lives, a very different incarnation of Death is picking up one of the few people on earth that still remember the wooly mammoth. “I got 15000 years. That is something,” he says. “You got what everybody gets,” she replies. “You got a lifetime.”

    • davefragments

      You mean the incarnation of Death that had to pretend to be HOGFATHER? That would be like epic, gag me with a spoon epic, totally epic, more epic than epic itself.

  • Ian Rocha

    I find myself taking the most note of Duncan calling PP ‘My Darling’. It’s an odd way of referring to her. Her age, their familiarity, and the ambigous nature of their relationship so far makes it a striking choice of words since it’d be most fitting for a romantic relationship. Maybe Duncan is her latest mortal boy toy she chose to help stave off the boredom of such a long life.

    I’d also found myself wondering if perhaps Duncan was Sircea’s descendant, given the hair color and similar costume motifs. It could explain a few things, not just why she seems to have such a vested interest in Duncan, but the source of his power; perhaps he has a connection to the walls through her, which it can be implied she has personal experience with and perhaps even helped create, and the reason why his powers have weakened as of late is because of the Grey Working just as it did with PP. It also would give new meaning to her assertion (emphasis mine) that “~We~ should be ROYALTY on this planet!” Both of them not just because of their efforts to save the planet now or their powers, but because he is her descendant and she feels like the world owes it’s existence relatively free from demonic influence to her work.

    It could also explain why she’s talking to him like she is – she wants him to see things her way just like any parent does, growing frustrated when he begins breaking away and expressing his own viewpoint that doesn’t necessarily align with her’s completely. She’s somewhat dismissive of his concerns because she’s still thinking of him like a child and thinks he should just trust her judgement and go along with it – Mother Knows Best, after all, not understanding the basic understanding of the world and how it works has changed between her childhood and his. Talking through it all there are some clear parallels to standard parent-child dynamics. I suppose Duncan’s choice of words can be overlooked as him realizing she starting to lose it and he’s trying to calm her down.

    • indigofromage

      This makes sense. Laampros referred to her as ‘your sow’ when speaking to Duncan in hell.

    • Klaus

      Reminds me of how Laampros expects Kyle to serve him in thenew world.

    • zunden

      *sits here quietly, imagining PP belting out “Mother Knows Best” (Tangled) to a teenage Duncan in a pink dress*

  • TwilightDreamer

    whoops! almost forgot what day it was 😀
    Hmmmm….yep, it’s decided. Despite all anger at him, I still love Duncan, but I don’t like PP. Duncan is willing to do evil, but he can still say when it’s truly going too far, and the fact is that he cares, where PP doesn’t…
    hmm…I might just be slow, but honestly, I’m not convinced one way or another about what type of relationship those two have…*shrugs*….

  • davefragments

    A few pages ago with that stunning remembrance of the Grey Working, Sircea said this:
    “The Grey Working had many unforeseen repercussions. It may have weakened me, but if rendered every other human on earth with a true knowledge of magic dangerously insane.”

    And now we hear her say:
    “Women and children receive no special dispensation.”

    Do we not see the pathology here?

    • Omar Cantu

      Are you trying to imply that she is insane because she doesn´t looks for the well being of women and children? I mean, you could call her insane because she seems to lack empathy to (her fellow) human beings but maybe that is normal for beings who have lived 6000 years.
      She does have a point though, everyone suffers sometime in their lives and everyone dies and at the end women and children are just people. Of course she is missing the fact that her powers COULD very well diminish that suffering.

      • davefragments

        I wasn’t “trying” at all. I was outright accusing her of being a sociopath willing to sacrifice millions without a single thought of remorse, guilt, or compassion. That’s a form of insanity.
        She says that in the Grey Working, all magicians (witches, wizards, warlocks, practitioners, etc) were psychically damaged to the point of insanity. I say that her insanity is the craving for power, for immortality and the mistaken belief that only she can “heal” the world.

    • I think her morality could be different at 6000 years old.

      • davefragments

        That statement requires a lot of thinking on my part. Yes, she’s seen more people come and go over those 6000 years but does that ever justify killing as moral? My answer is no but I do understand how that can be made to work philosophically. She’s a villain, actually an evil overlord and they justify lots of evil things.

        • There is that, but what I’m meaning is, 6000 years ago, the folks of that age, their morality was different than ours. Sure, she lives in our times now, and well yeah, them words and her actions are indeed sociopathic, but if she’s a product of her times, I don’t think her thought patterns have changed just because society has.

          • davefragments

            That last panel is just cold and heartless.
            I might even be humorous and say that the mother’s milk of kindness has curdled.

          • Oh I agree. Though in many ways, as others have stated, it’s possible she just doesn’t see one set of humans being above another. To her they’re all ants under her glamorous boots.

          • Yes, “sociopathic” means a specific thing in our day and age. However in a different time it may have simply meant a set of actions that protected your wife, children, family and people you loved. If you were a person trying to kill my family and take what little I owned…?…. then I don’t think it would be sociopathic (of course I wouldn’t know that word). I think it would be ‘survivalist’… as the Admiral says… times change our beliefs regarding what is acceptable in order to ‘survive’.

  • Pikinanou

    Sacrificing mankind to save the World… but if there is no one left, by the end, can it still be called the World?
    And how good immortality can be, if you’re the only one who ends up having it?
    hmm…

    • Dark_Otter

      In other words, it has become necessary to destroy the world to save it.

      (not really)

    • “Hello? Hello? Is there anyone left here? We’re safe now. You can come out now………….. hello? (echo, echo, echo…………)

  • Embyrr922

    To be fair, men don’t deserve less consideration than women and children; especially when dealing with a cosmic force that men have no more ability to fight than anyone else. Come on Anni, don’t be so old-fashionedly sexist.

  • Speaksvolumes

    Women and children because REASONS. Men, on the other hand, are clearly dispensable (as they have always been). How do you like that equality?

  • Klaus

    That outfit is going to be a challenge for the cosplayers.

    • Terri Sutton

      I personally can’t wait for the photos of the male PP cosplayers to crop up.

      • zunden

        ….Will they all be in speedos, He-Man style? Or will they do some serious redesigning on everything other than crown and cape…?

        • davefragments
          • zunden

            Tumblr believes your link does not exist…?

          • davefragments

            Tumblr did it. I didn’t. it’s all gone away.

        • Terri Sutton

          I’m referring to those wearing faithful recreation of the outfit, only it’s a bloke instead of a woman.

          • zunden

            Ah! Okay, cool. Thank you 🙂

    • davefragments
      • davefragments

        That tumblr site disappeared and I didn’t keep a copy of the image. Sorry about that.

      • Klaus

        This link leads to an error page.

  • …..I know I said Michael Crawford was my Phantom…..but….I don’t think I would mind being Christine to this one either….http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/08/20/watch-norm-lewis-as-broadways-first-african-american-phantom/

  • purplefoxglove

    First reaction when seeing panel 3: “Don’t kiss her. Don’t you DARE kiss her!”
    *scrolls down lower*
    “Phew. No kissing. Can get back to reading the text now.”

    Well…at least I got my priorities straight.

  • xLizardx

    Well… she kind of has a point. Killing anyone is reprehensible, regardless of gender. The whole “save the women and children first” thing is a cultural bias, or possibly an instinctual one in the case of children.

    No one’s life is intrinsically any more valuable – including PP’s, which is of course the irony in her dismissal of the demise of millions of others.

    • Madock345

      >No one’s life is intrinsically any more valuable – including PP’s

      Some odd and quite possibly terrible part of me wants to disagree with this. In a way, her age and power *does* make her life more valuable. The loss to the world if she died… the first hand memories of ancient civilizations, the power, the potential… It’d be like burning down the library of Alexandria. All lives start with the same value, but there’s so much more tacked on to hers. I don’t know, maybe I’m just an awful person who always sympathizes with the villains more than I probably should.

      • Tyler Griffin

        I see where you are coming from, and actually agree with the spirit of it. However, I would point out that her current attitude makes her knowledge and experience worthless for most situations. I mean, I imagine that she could give all sorts of lectures about past civilizations and great rulers and how they fell, or the mistakes made, but clearly she hasn’t. And I am very curious to know more about her.
        For instance, “Priestess”? Priestess of WHAT exactly? Maybe she just liked the sound of it, but she doesn’t seem to be the type to do things out of careless whimsy( except maybe have a little fun at Kyle’s discomfiture and dignity before the date).
        What being, concept, or power did she serve that the Grey Working was deemed an acceptable course of action?
        Her life may have accumulated a great deal more value than, say Duncan’s, but if that value isn’t in the form of accessible benefit to others, then it really doesn’t alter the equation.

        • Madock345

          I see what you’re saying, right now she’s (probably) not helping anybody, and so it shouldn’t really be considered. At the same time though, I still feel like it would be a tragedy if she were killed. Like a work of art locked inside a metal box where nobody can see it. It’s objectively worthless, but people would still be upset if the box got crushed.

          I also feel the need to say that my name is also Tyler. Hi.

          • Tyler Griffin

            Ok, yeah. I can see that. I can definitely agree that she must be an amazing reservoir of knowledge and history. And awesome, fellow name holder!

      • xLizardx

        That is a very valid point – the knowledge she could provide could be fascinating. I suppose I was thinking more along the lines of morally, her not having any more right to live than anyone else, which I believe is a different question from a person’s usefulness. A genius scientist, for example, would almost certainly be more expedient for a society to keep around than say, a child with learning difficulties, but that doesn’t mean that the scientist has a greater right to live, just that they have the potential for that life to be of greater service to others. The usefulness itself is the added value, not the actual person.

        I suppose what I’m getting at is that being better *at* something doesn’t make someone intrinsically superior as a person – it’s just an attribute that they happen to have.

        Still, I hadn’t really considered the implications of her age in relation to historical knowledge, so thankyou for pointing that out. 🙂 Tyler also makes a good argument – how useful might the knowledge in question actually be if she refuses to share it?

        However, the dead cannot share anything, of course. Whilst she remains alive there remains a chance of accessing it. I guess the possibility of her imparting knowledge at some time in the future must be weighed against the potential carnage she could wreak in the present. 🙂

  • purplefoxglove

    I’m wondering…if she lost her immortality, does she appear to be a woman of…advanced age…because she chose to, or is it because she started aging again? And if she started to age again, how does that work? Did she stop to age at one point, and is now aging from that moment on (e.g. she stopped at 20, was 20 years old for 6,000 years, lost her immortality 40 years ago, and now has the physical age of a 60 years old or something along these lines), or is it like some kind of rubber band: her natural age has been stretched so far, the longer the protection through immortality is inactive, the faster she ages?

    • stickfigurefairytales

      My personal guess is that she had been eternally youthful and then started aging at a regular rate once she lost her immortality, but that’s just what I’m thinking at the moment.

    • TheManBehindTheCurtain

      Immortaility is not just being youthful forever. She might not be aging but if she can be killed now due to a physically violent event (car crash, bullet, etc…) or even from a disease, being youthful isn’t going to help.
      You just leave a good looking corpse.
      I would have to say there are different “levels” or degrees of immortality

    • Kate G

      That’s a good question to ask. Considering her name is Platinum Priestess, one could assume her platinum locks are signature to her look, but her age is mystery. Traditionally speaking, females with portal powers have been old women or have had facets of an old woman (Hecate, the goddess who controlled the river Styx and decided which area of the Underworld you went to in Greek mythology was said to have 3 faces, that of a young woman, a mother and an old crone.) Portal powers generally are connected to the underworld as well which we’ve seen with her as it was her spell that connected Duncan to Hell, so she has the connection to Greek mythology there too.

      It could be she used to be able to switch between faces of young, middle aged and old but got stuck in whichever she was last in when her immortality was ripped away. It’s why she’s become more interesting to me.

      • Soirbleu

        I really like this comparison.

  • Shinashi

    IDGAF. That should be on her headpiece somewhere.

  • Wow. The YP universe gets bigger, grander and more complex. Our villains don’t just get evil-er-er, they get more complicated, fascinating and… dare I say… appealing. Minor deities, powers lost and gained, aliens, mutants, demon-half-breeds, ad infinitum. And, honestly, I get more and more confused about what’s might happen next… but I don’t seem to mind. Now that’s just fabulous whack! This is such great stuff.

    A quick note to say thank you for the great comments in these pages. It really has been fascinating to read the possibilities articulated in so many interesting ways. Thank you all.

    First and foremost, Alex Humor™ has hit an all time high. I want that T-shirt! (*chris trying to get through a line at a planned parenthood clinic* “Wait, wait you don’t understand… it’s a line from a 6,000 year old sorceress… hey stop hitting me! *chris runs*)

    “Will her insight finally unharsh The Annihilator’s mellow?”

    Do I win a prize if I guess that one? Heeeeeee.

    P#1: Awesome. Who else but Sircea gets to say to 58-year-old Duncan, “Don’t be an infant! and get away with it? So great. There’s a great “I want” speech from her. Crystal clear. That Grey Working must have been a doozy if it robbed Sircea of her immortality AND a significant chunk of her power. “We should be royalty on this planet…” Erm? As opposed to what OTHER planet missy? And skulk(?) Duncan? The most notorious SUPER VILLAIN on earth doesn’t seem like he’s been doing much skulking! Dude is infamous.

    Adam and Vero, love the open panel and Sircea’s impassioned gesture. Such energy. It really couldn’t fit this piece of yummy emotional exposition better.

    P#2: I love her expression. She doesn’t seem over-confident at this exact moment. She gets it. This is dangerous. Feck this up and they’re dust. And she wants her goodies back! Damn it. And she thinks she deserves them for her effort. Again a wonderful character reveal and a beautiful facial shot.

    P#3: I actually read Duncan’s line as the kind of line that gay men share with women they care for as friends. She uses the endearments with him and he clearly also does with her. Whatever she really feels, it seems they have created the trappings of a friendship. Long-term in his terms… who knows in hers? Interesting. She is such a tough character to make assumptions about. I haven’t had a lot of experience with 6,000 year-old BFFs (and I mean forever). Ha.

    It’s interesting, after all this time, to hear the issue of morals and ethics come out of Duncan’s mouth. We’re well into the book. It’s just fascinating that with all the agonizing he seems to be doing over these last few pages he hasn’t mentioned Kyle by name once. Purposeful? Or is it that he just isn’t considering “the boy” much? Curious. All the agony has been about the uber ethical issues of billions dying. The only slight mention of “the boy” was on the last panel of page #51.

    http://webcomics.yaoi911.com/archive/ete-ch3-page-51/

    When Duncan brings up Spooky as an option, The Boy’s friend — the Jones boy — he uses magic and seems COHERENT.”

    Just interesting. I just went back and re-read Duncan’s monologuing after the hell-date. Sure he seems conflicted, but the words are actually less about Kyle in specific and more about the fact that Duncan feels torn about having had to do these things. With the exception of one single line, all the monologuing is about Duncan feeling sorry for himself. There is only one line that speaks to Kyle being special in some vague way… Panel #4 of Chapter 2 page 48.

    http://webcomics.yaoi911.com/archive/ete-ch2-page-48/

    I only bring it up because I had so clearly veered toward the idea of a romance between the two of them back then. However, it’s interesting that given this section, I can now go back and read that monolog section and see that those speeches may never really have been about Kyle. Not then, not now. This seems to me 95% about Duncan and his overall conscience. Even now, KYLE (in specific) doesn’t seem much on Duncan’s mind as a specific guy, but more as a general goad making Duncan examine himself. When last we left Kyle with Spooky, he was coming to terms with Duncan as a ‘MONSTER’ and self-examining in much the same way.

    Interesting mirroring.

    I just bring this up as I try differentiate the romantic head cannon I had attributed to the two of them and what is actually there on the page. It is interesting that if Alex is taking us back toward anything romantic between the two… the future road seems long and unpredictable.

    Crazy good fun for sure. Of course, all this could change in a page… all roads are open. It’s just fascinating how I read different sections differently as this new information is opened up to us.

    P#4: Me, me, me. It’s Sircea’s game. At least as far as she’s concerned. I must admit that I’m given up (even with everyone awesome comments helping) trying to understand how walls — no walls bring in arcane power for her.

    Sooooo… 1) There were no walls but we were part of hell? 2) Walls got put up by somebodies? 3) That did/didn’t minimize arcane power on our earth? 4) That did/didn’t harm Sircea? 5) So now, bringing that wall down… charges her battery? But she has to control Laampros and Co. in the process? (so much I don’t understand).

    You can see that I’m a big pile of non-answers here and just a mite confused. Did Alex say when he was releasing the TYP bible on this? 🙂

    P#5: I love Duncan’s line here. This is a classic line that reflects socio-cultural thinking that is really 1940s onward. We didn’t pay any attention to civilians, particularly women and children prior to WWII. Just think how recent “dropping” the bomb on Hiroshima was. Women? Children? That was removing every living thing for years. So I love him saying something I might… being a child of the late 20th century. It’s a very new ethical idea that life is precious and that there is an overarching responsibility toward women and children. (Except when they’re riding the bus, walking after dark or wearing provocative clothing… then we clearly have a ways to go).

    Go back 6,000 years ago and the only child that mattered was royalty. A pharaoh’s child, etc… Women even as recently as the Victorian era were still chits in the game of thrones. Property, albeit better kept than the peasants. So we can only imagine Sircea’s perspective. 6,000 years ago being a woman or child meant NOTHING, unless you were one who had power.

    I still have trouble imagining Sircea as human. I wonder where she came from? Was she a traveller who was caught on this dimension when the walls went up? Just a curious unknown.

    As I said a couple pages back. Living that long and watching everyone around you die cannot help but distance you from humans. You are not one of THEM. So she moves farther and farther from the human race, even if she was one to begin with. I can’t imagine how it couldn’t.

    P#6-7: I love Sircea’s facial expressions here. They are PERFECT for these lines. This is the real Sircea. Unadorned. She believes this and she doesn’t worry that she is ethically wrong any more than the man who made the final decisions to drop the bombs did. THE GREATER GOOD. Even if the greater good is HER greater good. She BELIEVES it IS HER RIGHT.

    Someone mentioned this section reminding them of Clarice Maven in ARTIFICE. I actually didn’t have the same reaction. Not that, that association is at all wrong, but Clarice Maven is clearly human and she’s followed an ungenerous and self-serving path to become the woman we see in that book. I’m not at all sure that Sircea is remotely human and, even if she started out as a human, she’s not one anymore. Totally my personal opinion and I’m quite prepared to be wrong. These pages seem to shift us left and right with each new reveal. Just fascinating to think about my reactions in the moment

    Adam & Veronica, these facial expressions are just fantastic. That sulky one of Sircea’s, followed by that final sneer are some of the most evocative expressions I’ve ever seen. So communicative, and so dimensional. There is NOTHING simple about either of these two characters.

    Alex all my compliments for another stellar page. Such rich characters. Still more hard information that just makes them and the world richer and more complex and, of course, leaves us hungering for more. Thank you… this is so clearly the product of a lot of work over a long period of time and then a realization of the vision from Adam and Veronica that is just exceptional. You guys are amazing and this project is uniquely special.

    • Thank you, Chris. Some really nice insights. And fun for me to read your play-by-play as always. Nice. 🙂

  • XD first update as a college student! Here in my college state after 8 hours of flying this was amazing to see. Thank you Alex and everyone else who worked on this! Thank you so much!

    • You’re very welcome! Good luck at college! Have lots of fun! 🙂

    • Madock345

      I’m leaving for my second year at six o’clock tomorrow morning. I have to pack my car, I have to burn road trip cd’s. I have to get everything ready. Instead I’m browsing the web and lurking on webcomic forums where everybody else has already gone to bed because I’m a terrible procrastinator.

      (PS. Someone please help me.)

      • I wish I could. I’m supposed to be working on my own writing. Hahahaha!

  • PP has a face in that last pannel. Talk about scorn.

  • anonywolf

    Desperately want to quote Heinlein here but probably not appropriate. Although – the even less appropriate quote I have in mind I will – if anyone recalls Die Hard 4 where Timothy Olyphant’s character gets insulted by Bruce Willis saying that he thought his character was in it for the money and he says: “What? I shouldn’t get paid for my work? I’m working my a** off here John.”

    And THAT quote is what came to mind when I read PP talking about how there should be rewards for what they’re doing in the form of regaining her immortality. I wonder if PP will go the way of Timothy Olyphant’s character in Die Hard 4…

    • Ikaru Sentinal-K’Valshar

      How would Heinlein not be appropriate?

      • anonywolf

        Dunno- was v. tired when I wrote that.

        I was thinking about Heinlein’s quote from the Notebooks of Laz Long and how he said that any civilization and it’s rules are built on the principle of women and children first (remember when it came to the lifeboats on the Titanic?) and that any other system basically fell to pieces and was doomed.

  • Malcolm Wright

    Alex, you’ve created a deeply appealing superhero universe, and i look forward to seeing more of it.

    • Thank you, Malcolm! So glad to hear you’re enjoying it. Welcome! 🙂

      • wineflask

        Speaking of joy, did you notice Artifice got a shout-out by Jess Fink guesting on Oh Joy Sex Toy? Well deserved and in very good company!

        • Yes, I did notice! It was very cool to see that! 🙂

  • TheManBehindTheCurtain

    Just a thought. Lammpros said that Duncan and PP shouldn’t assume to understand his desires and wants.

    What if he is well aware of what PP is planning; using a large number of demons on earth to provide enough power to restore the world walls? They are assuming Lammpros will bring all his armies through, but what if only he and some of his generals come through? PP won’t have the power to restore the walls and Lamppros and friends can simple plan and prepare for them to fall and his army will be on earth anyways. What’s a decade or so to an immortal demon?

    This way Lamproos can spend some special time with his son (which might be is true main motivation to want to come to earth) and prepare him for his roll as a prince of hell on earth in the future when the walls naturally fail?

    • TheManBehindTheCurtain

      Another thought on this subject (I’ve been going over it all day). Duncan and PP could be regretting this deal forever
      (literally, since they are now immortal).

      Here is the line of thought I had. If Laampros only brings a few demons with him, PP will not be able to repair the world walls. Their entire plan was that they assumed Laampros would immediately bring all his army and ravage the entire world that isn’t the North and South American continents (protected from him and all demons under his authority by the agreement). PP would repair the world walls and no other demon would be able to get to earth and the one’s here would permanently be kept away.

      The North and South American continents would pretty much exist as they are but under Duncan and PP’s rule since only they can maintain the agreement and keep the continents safe.

      However, if Laampros only brings a small number of demons and uses them to quietly mark the area of earth under his rule, once the world walls fall, his full army will be on earth and prepared to defend and protect Laampros’s and their (by extension of being under his authority) territory. This would mean that the North and South American continents would be fair game to all the other demon kings of hell and their minions!

      Being young and immortal will be of no use to Duncan and PP as their territory will become a hell on earth since they have no non-aggression treaty with these demon kings. The North and South American continents will be ripped apart by the back and forth battles between demon kings and ravaged by their underlings as they work to try and stake their claims to as much of “paradise”
      (or what’s left of it) as they can.

      Another twist is what if Laampros doesn’t want to ravage his territory but instead protect and conserve it for himself and his son.

      He and the other demons would be seen as protectors and life could pretty much the same in a lot of ways except human would need to accept demons in their midst as a necessity to continue to
      exist . Laampros would need to make sure that the demons under him don’t do anything too egregious to the humans or the land, but he would be the hero of the story for doing his best to protect humans from the other demons and his large piece of paradise
      will only make his power greater and be a jewel in his crown compared to what the other demon kings will possess.

      This would completely reverse the situation Duncan and PP expect and is truly the ironic and demonic twist worthy of a demon king on those foolish enough to think they could use him.

  • SofiaT

    There’s a lot of discussion about Sircea’s brand of evil; is she really evil or not? And if so, isn’t it to be expected, considering her age?

    “Evil”, the way we understand it today, is a fairly recent notion -about 2,000 years or so, as old as Christianity. If we have a kind and loving god, then we need to have an opposite to keep the balance. And that opposite is named evil because, why not?

    Before that though, the cruelty and indifference of the gods was not considered evil. Gods could be cruel and indifferent to the suffering of human kind and that’s how things were. Everyone accepted that. They could help you if they felt like it and if it suited their plans, but you would still be wise to be afraid of them.

    Sircea is a lot like that. She’s evil in the modern sense of the world -a
    sense that I subscribe to: if you can’t be moved, even a little bit, by innocent people’s suffering, then there is something terribly wrong with you. So yeah, in that sense she is evil, a true villainess, worthy of the title.

    But is she malevolent? Doing evil for the sake of evil, like a demon would?
    I don’t think so.

    I do think that her kind of “evil” (or maybe wickedness is the better way to
    put it) is less excusable than that of a demon though. A demon is a creature that was spawned in darkness and evil is its natural state. Personally, I feel sorry for demons. They don’t have a choice, like humans do.

    If we decide (because that’s not clear yet) that Sircea is human, maybe a
    lesser deity turned mortal, she had 6,000 years to advance herself. People comment on how seeing everyone around you die will eventually turn you into stone, a cynic with little emotion. And I agree that’s possible… if you have a heart to begin with.

    But if Sircea was once an immortal, a god-like creature, then she would have been like those pagan gods of the past: exactly the way she is now.

    She wouldn’t have been turned unfeeling and cold by the passage of time, she was already there to begin with.

    So which is it? Is she still carrying with her the morals of times long passed? Is she still the same cruel creature she was in the height of her powers? Or was she turned into what she is today?

    The later I can understand and even excuse. The first two? I’d have three words for her: Get. Over. Yourself.

    Evolution is the key to survival and if Sircea refuses to evolve emotionally, then maybe she won’t get to survive. And I’m not convinced that would be a bad thing.

    • Derkins

      She’s got a definite Queen of the Damned Akasha thing going on, doesn’t she? It never ends well for those types… though they can take a lot of people with them in the process.

      In fact… Anne Rice might just give us some good insight into her character, considering there aren’t lot of other deeply written immortal characters out there in literature. In her worlds, the creatures of the past never grew out of the person that they had been born into, or the time they were born into. The cruelty of ancient eras were absolutely imprinted on the ancient person, and how could they not be? How could they just become someone else? If we look at elderly mortals we see that as we age (even before our body and mind start to go) that really we just become more stuck in our habits and thinking as we grow older. We become more of what we already are, and lose access to be what we could be, as neural pathways die away from repetitive behavior.

      I think you’re right in assessing that she should likely be judged more by the morals of the past as opposed to the present, which have obviously had a lot less bearing on her personality. And the God complex really isn’t surprising considering her power, and age.

      The troubling part is that Duncan has, at least up until now, bought into all of this, despite his better judgement. My hope is that the more severe she becomes, and the more contrast she provides against that better judgement, the more clear the correct path will become. I predict that, especially if he sees Kyle, he won’t be able to go through with whatever it is he’s about to do. But that’s just my hope/guess. He seems perhaps too troubled about it to pull the final trigger.

      (I’d like to also point out that not knowing enough about this world yet, we can’t rule out that a real heaven doesn’t exist, like the hell we saw. If so, that would bring a whole other set of implications on top of how they feel about letting so many people die. Just a thought.)

      • Saxon_Brenton

        The troubling part is that Duncan has, at least up until now, bought into all of this, despite his better judgement.
        This comes back to something that I commented on a few pages ago: The Platinum Priestess understands modern pop culture enough to be able to make a Disney reference when she said “Bibbity-bobbity-boo” to Kyle after transforming his clothes.

        I’d say she can fake a modern-style sensibility and morality. The interesting question is: to what extent has she done so with the Annihilator? How much does Anni actually understand how her headspace works? He’s supposed to be smart, so even if the Priestess has been faking it to an enormous extent, the Annihilator should still have been able to figure out everything you write above – at least in abstract. I mean, even the discrepancy between how a 6,000 year old should be acting and how she actually is acting she be enough to provoke some questions; negative evidence and all that.

        And as I type this, a solution occurs: she cast a spell on Annihilator to cloud his perception and keep him from noticing. I’m not sure I like it, since it feels very handwavey to me from a storytelling point of view – but I’ll need more time to think over the implications. Hmmm…

        • Derkins

          He is definitely acting submissive to her, but it might not be spell-casting. I agree that could be considered some iffy storytelling. But. Maybe she’s more powerful? Maybe he owes her somehow? Maybe she raised him from a child? Maybe she turned him into the villain he is today? We can’t know at this point why they have the dynamic that they have. What we can see is that the PP’s selfish motivations for immortality are far stronger than Duncan’s. He seems to be more concerned at this point with the greater good than with himself. Super curious to see how this is going to play out.

        • SofiaT

          I’m not keen on the idea of a spell, because I want the heroes and villains I love to be responsible for their actions and own them (which is one of the reasons I like Anni.) Being under a spell would be too easy an out for Duncan, and as much as I love him, I don’t want this to be easy for him.

          If he’s emotionally attached to her though, if it’s their friendship that blinds him, then that’s a fault I can go with, and it wouldn’t really clash with Duncan’s intelligence, because emotions and intelligence don’t always go hand in hand -as we’ve already witnessed several times in past pages.

      • SofiaT

        Actually, I am judging her for not changing her ways. I don’t judge her for her past deeds but I am judging her for her current ones. She has had the opportunity to evolve (6,000 years of opportunity) and chose not to.

        And as Saxon pointed out, she is very good at picking up modern nuances and copying them when it suits her, so it’s not as if she’s this thick person still stuck in the past, with no real comprehension of what is expected of people’s attitudes nowadays. She’s chosen not to go along with the times when it comes to morals, because that would be inconvenient. But it also makes her a dinosaur who doesn’t belong in this time and age.

        The cruelty of ancient eras were absolutely imprinted on the ancient person, and how could they not be? How could they just become someone else? If we look at elderly mortals we see that as we age (even before our body and mind start to go) that really we just become more stuck in
        our habits and thinking as we grow older. We become more of what we already are, and lose access to be what we could be, as neural pathways die away from repetitive behavior.

        This doesn’t apply to Sircea though. She’s not bound by the limitations of a mortal body; and she’s not bound by the limitations of a human’s short lifespan either. Can you accuse an 80year old for not evolving? Times and morals have been changing fast in the last hundred years and the lifespan of a mortal is hardly long enough a period to allow for the kind of emotional growth that is required when it comes to shifting paradigms. An elderly mortal person is still an embryo when compared to a creature that is centuries old.

        I’ve never read any Anne Rice books, so I don’t know if she channels Queen of the Damned, but Sircea reminds me of Roland or Essa from the Kate Daniels’ series. They were extremely powerful wizards in the past, god-like creatures, but when the time of magic ended, they went into a
        long sleep for thousands of years and were just awoken recently. Both Essa and Roland have the whole “I am immortal and the world is my playground” thing going, but in a way they are excused because they were asleep for most of their long lives. They didn’t have the opportunity to evolve, they woke up into a new world and considered it their right to try and change it instead of changing themselves.

        What has Sircea been doing for the last six millennia?

        • Derkins

          Speaking of mortals I know I mentioned the elderly, but I also meant before our minds start to go. I mean at like 30, I’m already fairly jaded, and my brain just now stopped developing. Though honestly in regard to the PP It’s maybe not as much as brain chemistry that I should be talking about, as much as just that life can easily make you jaded. That would have been a better direction to go in. Though she’s not like a vampire – dead and therefore unable to have cellular processes like a living person, but clearly aging has been stalled in her (not before she grew into a mature woman). But yeah. That’s not really the point. The point is even if she would be backward after living that long, she still has no excuse. She’s trying to justify her actions, but justified means are exactly the signifier that one is going about something the wrong way. And anyway… she just doesn’t feel trustworthy.

          But you can take my word that she’s got a definite Queen of the Damned thing going on. And besides that character, In those books Lestat met one ancient vampire after another that was, as you say, out of time, and didn’t belong in the world anymore. Ones that hadn’t been sleeping. Lestat seemed to adapt, love, and embrace the future, but the “old world monsters” just couldn’t do it. Their reality as humans had just been too black and white. Too unforgiving. The queen of the damned also undertook a many centuries long slumber and awoke with a similar attitude. She was ready to rule, and saw the world and all the people as there just for her, so she took what she wanted with no one to stop her.

          So that’s interesting that our two references have similar parallels to each other. In this case, as you pointed out, Sircea didn’t seem to have done anything like that. Or at least, we can ask the question:
          What has Sircea been doing for the last six millennia?

    • Dave Nguyen

      After spending years of my life under a Dungeons and Dragons manual, I’ve come to this conclusion.

      Good is when actions are motivated for benefit of others at the cost of self.
      Evil is when actions are motivated for benefit of self at the cost of others.

      The key is motive, rather than the act itself. A person, for instance, can save a bunch of children from a fire. However, if that person only did so for reward and/or recognition, rather than for the children themselves, they lean more evil than good.

      There are of course gray zones, which may fall into the “Neutral” category, or may be up to the DM’s discretion.

      • SofiaT

        Good is when actions are motivated for benefit of others at the cost of self.
        Evil is when actions are motivated for benefit of self at the cost of others.

        Hm. Not so sure that definition is foolproof.
        Because then, when I was a kid and stole my sister’s nutella jar contents little by little with a spoon, so I didn’t have to use mine (yes, we had individual nutella jars in my house when I was growing up, with our names written on them and everything -nutella is a serious business), I was evil?
        The motive was there, having more nutella benefitted me and cost her… It seems to fit.

        I’d say that by that definition, the gray zones would vastly outnumber the black & white cases. A rule can have exceptions, but if the exceptions are more, it’s not much of a rule.

        • Dave Nguyen

          I’m not sure how gray “Stealing food from your sister” is because you wanted more nutella. It’s definitely an evil act. Is it evil enough to push your alignment? That’s up your DM.

          Severity is a huge factor. Not everyone who is evil is a Lich King. Most people don’t have the qualifications on their resume. You can have an evil alignment, yet only commit nothing more than petty crimes their entire NPC existence.

    • silibub

      I think you’ve approached this really well, and hit on a key question regarding Sircea’s character — what was her moral starting point? Personally I think the most interesting possibility out of the ones you raised (and conveniently the one that would give her “sympathetic villain” status similar to Duncan, ha), is that she was born human and attained immortality, and had to undergo significant mental/emotional changes over an unnaturally long lifetime. If that’s the case, then she has evolved emotionally, but unfortunately that evolution was to unlearn empathy and reject the more modern notions of morality as a means of protecting herself from the pain of losing people she cares about.

      Continuing in that speculative vein, maybe losing her immortality and having her powers weakened has contributed to her ability to form a bond with Duncan, assuming there’s a genuine connection there — it would be interesting if he were the first person she’s befriended in a long time because she’s finally on a more or less equal plane with someone power-wise, and how that would affect the way she’s approaching their current scheme. It could also be that events will transpire in such a way that connecting with other people again will suddenly be important for her survival, and she’ll be forced to either adapt or suffer, like you said. (I just wonder if there’s enough story space for that to conceivably happen, after she’s had so much more time to unlearn that behavior.)

      Also, it would be interesting to know if she’s being deliberately harsh to make a point to Duncan — he’s chasing immortality without any real understanding of what it will be like, and here she’s pointing out to him that living forever will change how he perceives people and the value of their lives. I bet she’s cognizant of how far removed her viewpoint is from a regular person’s, and she probably considers it a necessary aspect of living as long as she has. I think if she recognizes that the prospect of such a perceptual shift might trouble Duncan, though, that’s a good sign re: empathy.

      Of course, it’s just as likely that she’s an amoral ancient deity and her unchanging arrogance and disdain for human life will mean she must be killed before she becomes immortal again, in which case I will mourn alone in my corner and mentally craft AU’s in which she’s redeemable. We’ll see!

      • SofiaT

        I like the way you think. 😀

        I didn’t approach the idea of Sircea having been carved the hard way into what she is today, because it had been addressed by many already, and I wanted to give a different twist, play devil’s advocate -or, in this case, prosecutor.

        But I know what it’s like to love a villain and I hope, for your sake, that Sircea has more layers than the face she’s showing now. 🙂

        Btw, you know who else Sircea reminds me of on this page? Queen Bavmorda from Willow. Maybe because that makes Duncan the equivalent of her daughter Sorsha who ended up turning against her mother and siding with the good guys when she fell in love… So yeah, maybe we’re both a bit too star-eyed and I’ll end up joining you in that corner where we can pat each other’s backs.

        • silibub

          I haven’t seen Willow, but now I’m curious…

          Duncan’s had way more indicators of coming redemption than Sircea so far, so you’ll probably be fine, LOL. And it’s always good to have a voice of reason come in to remind us, “Hey, remember how this character is actually being an asshole? That’s still a thing that’s happening.” Prosecute away!

          • SofiaT

            *gasps* Like Ladyhawke, Willow is one of the fantasy movies of the 80s you just have to watch!

          • stickfigurefairytales

            I’ve seen Willow, but I haven’t seen Ladyhawke. Better add that to my list!

          • SofiaT

            Young Michelle Pfeiffer, paired with a rather dashing Rutger Hauer, and a (very) young Matthew Broderick as the narrator and comic relief. Nuff said.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Nice!

          • ….You
            haven’t
            seen
            Willow?????
            …….

            …….
            Go watch it. Right now.

          • SofiaT

            Well, not right now.
            We’re in the middle of camping -and I love her comments.

          • But it is only two hours, she should have plenty of time to watch and come back and camp unless Alex updates early

          • silibub

            Y’all are cute — I’ll watch it late tonight or tomorrow!

  • Ikaru Sentinal-K’Valshar

    Wow. I love complex characters like this. Makes one think.

  • BitchInMaking

    i know this is unrelated, but at least on this site i can find the comment button
    should i still expect a chapter 3 on no kissing?

    must have read the existing chapters about 10 times now ^^’

  • Peter

    ok, how much you wanna bet Platinum Priestess caused the magic crazy in the first place…

    • LimpBiskit

      Looks to me like she might HAVE the magic crazy 😛

      • I hear that when one catches that, and it flares up, you can put this special lotion on it (which is faster than the pills). I’m not sure it’s completely curable, but now they can make your insanity much more comfortable than they could in the old days. 🙂

        • Dave Nguyen

          She should try acupuncture, with a really thick/dull needle that runs on C-batteries (preferably dishwasher safe).

  • himitsusj

    Dat last panel face tho. So good.

    • Steven K.

      “All right, Mr. DeMille, I’m ready for my close-up.”

  • Steven K.

    Too bad Agatha Harkness isn’t around. I’m sure she would have been able to help sort all this out.

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      I remember her from the Fantastic Four. What makes you think she’s not around? They kill off characters and then keep bringing them back.

      • Steven K.

        Yeah – she was Franklin Richard’s nanny (and also helped mentor/tutor the Scarlet Witch) and helped protect him when he was a youngster (though eventually we find he doesn’t really need protection from anyone else, as it ends up that he’s actually one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe). Last I heard she had passed on – but you are right – she may have been brought back or might have come back somehow or in some form.

  • Kim Kunnas

    Well considering Sircea seems to be heavily inspired by Circe I can’t really fault her character. Circe was never portrayed as the nicest person to begin with and if the PP is indeed supposed to be Circe I doubt time has improved her attitude. She is obviously not mad in the sense of cackling lunatic but I think she is closer to the literal definition of a psychopath.

  • stickfigurefairytales

    Hey, people who are also on tumblr, do you know how to save a text post as an image? Do you just take a screenshot and save that?

    • ……*doesn’t even now how to take a screen shot >.<*

      • stickfigurefairytales

        (To be honest I have to look it up every time I need to take one.)

      • *whispers* Print Screen button on your keyboard ^^

      • davefragments

        On my MacBook it’s a three key shortcut – Shift-Command-3 – and a file should appear on the desktop. Edit that in “Preview” and “Export” it as a JPG file.

        • stickfigurefairytales

          (Just looked it up again) You can also open Grab, which is in the Utilities folder in Applications, and use that to take a picture of just a portion of the screen.

          • davefragments

            Grab got to be too much of a pain in the buttocks for me. Command-K is the crop command in preview and the three key sequence and a quick select gives me what I want even in full screen. Call it being too lazy to open another app.

          • silibub

            Command+Shift+4 lets you select a portion of the screen, too.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Ah, sweet!

    • Yes, that is what I normally do. Photoshop is your friend 😉

      • stickfigurefairytales

        Awesome, thank you!

    • SofiaT

      I don’t have tumblr, but if I want to turn something into an image, I get a screenshot, then open Paint, paste there, save as JPEG and then crop as needed.

      • stickfigurefairytales

        Not having Paint is one of the few things I miss about having a Mac.

        • Jakk Anthony Guzman

          If you use Firefox you can use the plug-in Fireshot. It lets you capture an entire page or just the visible area, or just select an area that you want. It also allows you to edit the screen capture.

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Cool, thank you!

    • Madock345

      If you have a windows computer, the snipping tool is probably the best thing.

      • stickfigurefairytales

        I’ve got a Mac, but thanks anyway. Other folks were able to help. 🙂

  • stickfigurefairytales

    Now if only I could find the post I wanted to take a picture of…

  • silibub

    I need to duck out for a while — hopefully I get back before the page goes up. Laters!

    • stickfigurefairytales

      See you later! Fingers crossed that you’ll be able to make it back.

    • (silibub is going to go watch Willow)

  • CAMPING.. after just waking up and thinking I might have over slept – turned the timer off and fell back to sleep for half an hour >.<

    How's everyone?

    • Morning Danish sweet!

    • stickfigurefairytales

      I’m doing well, how are you?

      • Tired, but doing oki 🙂

        • stickfigurefairytales

          How is your back today?

    • Trying to stay awake… think getting sick… >__<

      • Oh no, not you too D:

        • I guess this means I should make a hot pot tomorrow? 😉

        • Madock345

          If you got Starrwinter sick, does she have a computer virus?

          • Danish, what did you do? 😉 It’s cold and rainy so I blame that…

          • But I love that kind of weather!! Perfect snuggling weather ^_^ Do you want a snuggle starr?

          • Yeah.. I didn’t feel good in the weekend but got better. With this crappy weather change I’m just waiting for my turn :-p

          • Luckily it’s not me.. this time. Just that half the people from online I talk with on twitter are sick >.<

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Wish I could send them some internet soup.

      • stickfigurefairytales

        Oh no! I hope you feel better soon!

    • Madock345

      Having slow, awkward conversation with new roomie. It’ll get better, I’m sure.

  • SchalaRenee

    Platinum Priestess…so hot…I want to do her. How is Duncan RESISTING the sexy!?

    • Madock345

      This is a Yaoi comic… Her boobs have no power here.

      • Terri Sutton

        Her boobs seem pretty powerful from where I’m sitting.

        • Cydney Sabin

          Hey, I’m gay and I think her boobs are hypnotic.

          • Steven K.

            Actually, that’s kinda cute too.

      • Steven K.

        Ha! I enjoyed that one.

    • Maybe he prefers to be the cougar.. or what the male version of that is called 😉

      Edit: Naah, are we even sure he has resisted her?

      • Cydney Sabin

        I might be wrong, but I’ve heard it called a “panther.” I’ve also heard “daddy.” The second one creeps me out. Just my opinion.

      • Sapfo

        Maybe he prefers only men?

        What I never heard of such a thing? What do you mean Sapf?

        I don´t know? o.O

      • Jakk Anthony Guzman

        it’s probably called “normal”, since older men have always dated/married/sought out younger women throughout history. 😉

    • Cydney Sabin

      I don’t know about him, but the sheer amount of crazy coming from her is a bit of a turn-off.

    • silibub

      I think I see the makings of a Mutual Appreciation Society here…

      • (huh, thought for sure silibub was going to tell her PP was already taken….)

        • silibub

          (Oh, people can look, but they can’t touch! *hair toss*)

    • Terri Sutton

      The last thing you want to happen when bringing Hell on Earth is being caught with your pants down, so to speak.

    • Steven K.

      Hmmm – well, yeah – maybe he might be, ummm…..(hushed whisper) g-a-y.

      • silibub

        *loudly* He’s WHAT?

        • Steven K.

          🙂

  • davefragments

    I think that tonight I will listen to Messiaen’s TURANGALILA Symphony just because it’s so Friday the day before Saturday.

    • Steven K.

      Props for that! If only there were some cute boys around here who were even the slightest bit familiar with that piece (well, or any other piece of really good music from the last 600 years).

      • davefragments

        I’ve heard it live twice. The first with Andre Previn the second with Andrew Davis, conducting – various soloists and the Pittsburgh Symphony.
        It’s a stunning piece to see with all the solo instruments. Last time, they explained the Ondes Martinot and showed some of the rather beefy percussion section. There is a version with Thibedaut online and he is spectacular on the piano part.

        • Steven K.

          And he (Jean-Yves T.) is gay! I have to admit, however, to not being able to well-distinguish between the general sound / tones of of ondes Martenot and those of the theremin.

          • davefragments

            If you search for “turangalila dutoit thibaudet” there’s a youtube video of that concert that shows the Ondes Martenot close up a number of times. It is a keyboard instrument but very strange and very different. The keyboard moves, there’s a touch strip that makes all sorts of strange effects, It’s got stops like a electric organ. It has more “voices” than a theramin and a much wider musical vocabulary.
            Then there’s the extra percussion like a vibraphone, xylophone, gongs, tubular bells. . . Those add sound on sound to familiar instruments. Some of the effects are quite subtle. Think of the orchestra as a giant gamelan that produces fireworks of tone and sound – the Turangalila is a love song retelling the greatest love story Tristan and Isolde.

  • Sapfo

    Good morning!
    First day vacation and I am up at 5:30 am… why?!?… Oh camping that is why! XD

    • YAY VACATION SAPFO!!! No strawberries or virgins are safe!!!

      • Sapfo

        Strawberrie season is over in Sweden. RIP Strawberries -_-
        Now where is my Virgin?! <..>

        • -_- … I see you.

          • Sapfo

            O_O

          • ~_- ..yuu-up!

          • Sapfo

            Have you been awak all night?

          • No xD
            I actually slept a few hours.

          • Sapfo

            Good wolf!

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Good morning, Sapfo!

    • Morning! I however am going to pass out… bath then bed *yawns*

      • stickfigurefairytales

        Goodnight, starrwinter! I hope you feel better soon.

        • Thanks & I will try! Can finally sleep in tomorrow…

      • Night! Do you need me to wash your back? ^_^ O:-)

        • Doki not innocent :p hehehe

          • Sapfo

            I can do your front…. ;D

          • … you two are making me think of the Rin / Haru / Mako douj I was reading earlier…. XD

          • hmmm, but can your bath fit all three of us?

            and link?

          • Sapfo

            When AJ and the rest of us are doing that trip around the world, I am sure the castle has a sufficiently large hot tub for all of us who wants to join in…..

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Do you have a link for that, by any chance?

          • Below… *blushes and runs away*

          • stickfigurefairytales

            Thank you!! <3333333

      • Sapfo

        Pff!
        Admit it, you think it’s still 22 and not 23? You are strange in your part of the world.

  • Adam Black

    halo

    • Sapfo

      WHERE ARE MY MEN IN KILTS?

      Oh I mean, Hi Adam, nice to see you.

      • Adam Black

        you are like Kilt Bo Peep

        • Sapfo

          No, I dont really care if a man have anything on under or not. It is mostly that men in kilts usally looks, what can I say….. “Manly”? A little bit of a beard and a little rough.
          Oh darn it! Did I just admit that I like men how don´t pluck every hair on their body?!?
          @chrisdangerfield:disqus better not see this comment. He is going to go mad!

          • So.. what if it’s a wet man in a kilt? Standing in the rain looking all sexy.

            *Goes weak in the knees*

          • Sapfo

            *Pick up Wolf from the floor*
            I have no idea what you mean…. non at all. O.O

          • D: I think Disqus just stole your picture. I couldn’t reply to it and then it went away ;_;

          • Sapfo

            Porn?!? XD

          • This is the 2nd time I’ve tried this in a few days. It also did it on Teahouse the other day. Must be their new version doing things :-/

          • Sapfo

            Wonder why. Maybe time to ask them again.

          • Instead of just going away immediately, when trying to reply it shows a warning sigh and saying ‘You can’t reply to comemnt that isn’t active’. Bleeh :-p

          • Sapfo

            But sharing links is part of the fun of commenting and camping. Darn darn dran.

          • davefragments

            Trust me, I wore the uniform and played bagpipes in college and they aren’t that sexy without a good imagination.

          • Sapfo

            I am kind of guessing that they did not allow you to only have the kilt on. But there are some really good looking pics out there with good lookin men in kilts.

          • davefragments

            No, the Pipe band wore the full military uniform. the marching band were a different regalia. Several Pipe band members had permission to wear the extras of various clans. This was spats, hose tops, doublets, a full plaid and caps with skein dh’s and pins and (of course) the pipes themselves.

          • Sapfo

            Hope you still had a really good time playing 🙂

          • davefragments

            Spent half my time tuning up (that’s an old joke, BTW). I did enjoy it.

          • Adam Black

            i mean, … lost her sheep…

          • Sapfo

            <.<
            So I admitet to all that and I did not even have to XD

            Well if I did have any sheeps I would loss them all, honestly I am on the computer commenting to much which means I have no check on any kind of sheep, animal, of plant in my life.

          • Adam Black

            theKiltmen are busy with the sheep

          • Sapfo

            Nope, Kilt men are pure as virgins and would blush if they saw what was under their kilts. True story.

          • Adam Black

            but sheep dont wear kilts

          • Sapfo

            Oh you are so innocent dear Adam.

          • Adam Black

            thats a scary thought.

          • Sapfo

            I like that thought. Kind of want to get you to blush. But I think you might have forgoten how to.

          • Adam Black

            Man you are kinkier than I thought

          • Sapfo

            You have no idea my dear. Now get me a string and two bits of paper 😉

          • Adam Black

            I got some videos on youtube that show otherwise

          • Adam Black

            why is chris shaved?

          • Sapfo

            Face, maybe. body, I dont think so. But he is not here to defent himself.
            NO, he does not shave, he wax! He wax everything!!!

          • Adam Black

            Chris you wax everything?

          • Never more than once. The itching from hair regrowth is one of the few things that made me wanna cry. A lot.

          • Adam Black

            @chrisdangerfield:disqus ?

      • davefragments

        There’s a couple of real nice looking guys in kilts on the STARZ adaptation of OUTLANDER.

      • Adam Black

        so how s vacation

        • Sapfo

          13 hours in on my vacation, so far so good. A bit cold.

          • Adam Black

            You live in sweden. “A bit cold.” is what you have instead of a summer, right? then it freezes solid?

  • davefragments

    I still think she has sticky tape on the inside of that metal top she’s wearing

    • silibub

      Well, magic can only take you so far — I’d want the extra insurance!

      • Phyre Storm

        You just want her to take it off and show you. 😉

        • davefragments

          That would be interesting, I’d have to warm up my hands, though – – wouldn’t want to give her a cold.

          • Phyre Storm

            I DON’T GET COLDS, PUNY HUMAN.

            …Ow, my head…did someone say something? o_O

          • davefragments

            but my fingers would be cold on some rather delicate parts of her anatomy. . .

          • silibub

            *narrows eyes* Oh, would they now?

        • silibub

          I’m curious about how it goes on, so that would be informative, yeah. *innocent face*

  • Adam Black

    By the way, Team Pitchfork is fully active

    Annihilator is smooth as silk. He know he is being watched.
    This speech is his insurance , if things go south

    • SofiaT

      Watched by whom?

      • Terri Sutton

        By us?

        • SofiaT

          So…. Duncan is lying because he knows he only exists in the pages of a comic book, read by people around the world?

          • Terri Sutton

            I know, meta right.

          • Adam Black

            who know who can listen from the weakend walls?

          • SofiaT

            Yeah, I don’t think the walls act as a barrier to sound and their weakening means they’re no longer soundproof. We’re not talking brick vs plaster here.

            And even if he could be overheard, it would be by Laampros… he’s the one on the other side.

            He wouldn’t speak like that if he thought Laampros would hear.

          • *Whispers* I think there’s more than one wall xD

          • SofiaT

            Yep but it’s Laampros they’re trying to bring here -if we think it’s possible that anyone is listening on the other side, it would be him.

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            This brought an image to my mind, Laampros putting his hand next to his mouth and saying in a very loud voice: “Can you speak a little louder?!” “The walls are not that thin yet!!”

          • Adam Black

            I assumed the walls were not that simple.
            I was thinking it was more of a Buffy and the ” Key” situation” “the Gift”

      • Adam Black

        Good Q.
        Spooky? the Government? a silent partner?
        Other magic users?
        Whoever he ,might need to acquit himself with.

        We’ve seen how perfectly he lies and allows potentially covers himseld when he can.

        He will allows leave room for doubt that other peoples best Interests are with him .

        This speech seems very rehearsed. Platinum Priestess might being getting played by him. He is capable of premeditated betrayal .

        • SofiaT

          Him being watched by the government (or Spooky or whomever) is more likely a scenario to you than him actually worrying about the fate of the world?

          • Adam Black

            i think you misunderstand what I mean. I dont believe his appearance of sincerity and earnestness at all.

            It seems fake.

            I am sure as llong as Duncan has to live in it, he cares very much for the world. .

            If he betrayes PP he has a nice justification to cover his ass. . The exact same way he betrayed Kyle fora supposed greater good that wasnt. .

            I dont buy that he never thought to bring up the obvious point of getting Spookys help before..

            Otherwise its b for bad writing.. He looking foir Numero Uno. If he has to destroy the world so be it. If he can save the world.maybe he will do that.

            No matter what he does, he will be looking out for himself first.

          • Sapfo

            So you mean that Duncan wants to live forever, but he also wants the world he lives in to be the same. He kind of likes the world the way it is right now.

            Have the cake and eat it at the same time?

          • Adam Black

            Im saying he probably doesn’t want to shit, where he eats.

            Its not alttruism, its just selfishness and bit of intelligence. I am sure he can justify whatever he does, as enlightened self-interest . Thats his MO

          • Clef

            I’m with you on the wanting to find a way to weasel out of trouble if he has to. I honestly don’t think he’s capable of enough remorse to care that he is condemning 80% of the world population to a living hell. This seems to me about him covering his rear as getting to point to Platinum Priestess as the driving force and he is not to blame.

            Yes, it is important to have a planet to live on, but there seem to be more planets to choose from. Or, at least dimensions to choose from.

          • Adam Black

            hes gonna betray her. I know it.

            Its hard to find good minions these days

          • Adam Black

            LOL

            Of course! Platinum Priestess, she cares about the fate of the world ( as a whole ) . She wants to rule it again.

            Duncan really has no particular use for the whole world. He cares about himself and pretends that greed is anarchy .

            No, its inconceivable top me that Duncan can care about the whole world. But he has his narcissistic self-image to maintain. The one that says he inst truly ‘evil”

  • Oh I’m getting quite tired…

    NOT ALLOWED NOW.. abort, abort.. mission not complete. Wake up!

    • silibub

      *flicks cold water on your face* You can do it!

    • stickfigurefairytales

      Me too. O_O

    • Sapfo
      • Is Delusor always picked on?

      • That horse is like the most patient part in that video 😉

        • Sapfo

          Yes. Poor horse and poor Damien

          • I’ve seen the Moon Moon a couple times before and still I’m uncontrolably giggling. Yup, I’m tired.

          • Sapfo

            Poor Moon Mooon. Nobody understands him.

          • At least you didn’t bring me the long dick or the one stuffed into a watermelon. I’m laughing bad just thinking of that again xD
            That one reaction tweet made it hysterical funny.. especially when you’re tired.

            … Oh god. *laughs some more*

          • Sapfo

            Maybe I should…maybe I should. The rest of them have not seen a guy having his dick in a watermelon. But I dont really dare to show this here
            *BLUSHING*

          • NO! I’m already hysterical giggling and this is NC 17 page xD

          • Sapfo

            but if this is a NC17 page and that is a NC17 pic. why not show it.
            (Considering the fact that I could not even bring myself to retweet it. Do you really think I will post it here? XD)

    • Not long now…

      • Good.. because I’m at the point where I’m laughing just thinking of funny things that might only be funny to me.

        … The new page is going to be a blast xD

        • silibub

          I’m getting to a similar point — I’m watching a Dramatical Murder let’s play and I can no longer tell if it’s funny or I’m just loopy.

        • Terri Sutton

          You haven’t reached the part where your laughing at your own yawning, you should have a bit left in you.

  • Adam Black

    I have a GIFT!!!!!! read this Now…. http://www.dumbingofage.com/2014/comic/book-4/04-the-whiteboard-dong-bandit/wrongway/

    its the beautiful story of a young man’s first…. ( been going all week. yesterday had 1000 comments in minutes )
    ( If you dont know the characters, Ethan is gay and closeted . Danny is.. Danny is Danny. )

    • Adam Black

      @chrisdangerfield:disqus

    • Adam Black

      @smsif:disqus

      • Sapfo

        Oh thank you Adam! Cute guys blushing.

        • Adam Black

          you have to read the alt-text. …

          Thats a boner-blushing. This storylinewas a 2 year
          plan.

          • Sapfo

            I will take a look at it. But the strip you showed, it seem like a cute funny comic.

          • Adam Black

            whoops. I assumed you read the next 7 pages!
            it is cute. There is more blushing. more cuteness.

            Danny is straight…. right into Ethans arms.

          • Sapfo

            SSSH! NO spoilers for me now.
            Blushing… this is a must read comic then 😉

          • Adam Black

            danny is the white-bread everyman character boy-next-door.

            ( in the original comic, he was a author-insertion ( from when the author was in college and a conservative Christian ) Both have grown a lot.

            this version is loyal and innocent, and dating a caped female vigilante. Ethan is Amazi-girls gay ex..

            the boys got together to discuss her ( and read comic books. ) .

            Danny has stated on multiple occasions that he is intimidated by the good looks of Ethan ( his gfs ex bf ) .

          • Sapfo

            the innocent innocent men and their comments. I will give it a look. Now I think bed is calling again. after all, I do need my rest so I will make it today.

          • Adam Black

            goodnight

  • Sapfo
  • Richard Grant Muir

    If I hadn’t mentioned it, PP gives me chills in that last panel.

  • cold lol

    • Mathew Cole

      But accurate. How did Tolkien put it?

      “Mortal men, doomed to die.”

      • …unless otherwise:

        like…you know the Nazgul lol

  • She’s a bitch but she’s a realistic and practical one…

  • Kattriella

    I bet she’s just a real joy at parties . . .