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The Young Protectors: Engaging The Enemy Chapter Two—Page 42

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Don’t make Kyle angry. You wouldn’t like Kyle when he’s angry…

Aw, who am I kidding? Get angry, Kyle! Kick some ass! 😀

In other news, I’m working on the written content for The Young Protectors Trading Cards (one of the Kickstarter rewards that I’ll make available for sale to the general public once the Kickstarter backers have gotten them.). The backers have gotten first dibs on giving me input on what information they’d want to see on a character’s card, but now that I’ve recorded their top choices, I’m also curious to hear what y’all might want to know. There will be four different types of cards (POWERS, ROMANCE, ORIGIN & FIRST-TIME) and every character in Volume One gets their own card for each of those types (except for Hunter & Killer who share a card). Right now, I’m looking to get your input on just two of the card types: POWERS and ROMANCE.

I’ve set up Google Moderator links for each kind of card. With those links (and a free Google account), you can make suggestions and also vote on others’s suggestions for what you’d want to see on each card. Remember that these are just 2.5″ x 3.5″ trading cards, so any suggestions you come up with would have to be answered on the card with just a few words, certainly no more than a sentence. So, “What is the character’s ideal age range for someone they’d want to date?” would work because I could answer that with something short like “25-40”. Something like “Describe the character’s idea of a perfect first date” would be difficult to fit into even a whole sentence and thus there wouldn’t be room for it on the card and I couldn’t use it. So keep that in mind when coming up with and voting on suggestions. Also, I’m wanting to answer the same “questions” for all the characters for a certain card’s type, so please make sure your suggestions are general enough to apply to every character.

The POWERS CARD is meant to detail “a character’s abilities and other cool superhero/supervillain stats including their ages, how long they’ve been active and real names.” But what exactly would you like to know about each character’s abilities on a trading card?

Share your ideas here:

Submit Your Suggestions for The Young Protectors POWERS CARDS

The ROMANCE CARD is meant offer “details about a character’s romantic interests.” So we’re mostly talking interests here—likes and dislikes, crushes, etc. Many questions about experiences would already be answered with the FIRST TIME card.

But if you have a question about romance that you think is really special and that lots of folks would want to know about a certain character, feel free to suggest it. Something like “Who is this character dating right now?” would be fair game and not necessarily covered by the FIRST TIME card. (Although if the question is likely to spoil the plot, I won’t be able to use it. But you knew that. 😉 )

Submit Your Suggestions for The Young Protectors ROMANCE CARDS

I already have specific ideas about what I want to include on each type of card, but I also want to know what you’d really like to see, so have fun!

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So! Kyle looks like he doesn’t want this Annihilator/demon deal to go through. Chains are snapping, flames are blasting and he even seems to have burnt The Annihilator! They say revenge is a dish best served cold, but Chef Kyle seems to be inventing his own cookbook here. I wonder what’s next on the menu?

Tune in next Saturday this Wednesday to find out! Hope to see you there! 😀

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  • Sapfo

    I just got out of bed and so did Kyle 😉

    • Holly

      *Glares hard and then goes to stare at George*

      • Sapfo

        Hug? *looking a bit embarrassed* Cookie?

      • Aww.. well you both beat me today. That’s what I get for deciding to read one more paragraph in a m/m story I’m reading, before refreshing the page. I was distracted by buttsex 😉

        • Holly

          I MISSED because I was responding to Sapfo on the last page. She Tricked me. *cries*

          • Sapfo

            Welcome to the world of hunting the virgins. Too comment and get the virgin is the hardest thing.

          • She IS sneaky with that. I’ve fallen into that trap a few times myself.

          • Sapfo

            And so have I with you, Dear Danish!

        • Sapfo

          It is a good end, too a good week for me. So why not a virgin on top of that XD

        • Anything good you’d share a title for? Buttsex is a worthy literary pursuit. 🙂

          • I’m reading various stories on nifty.org. There’s some real gold to be found there.. and some not so good stories that freak me out. Depends on your taste. It’s just to check a story and see if it’s something you like.

          • Sapfo

            Thanks for the tips. I need some good buttsex XD

          • It is good for what ails you. 🙂

          • Steven K.

            Good for what NAILS you. (I’m disguised as Adam.)

          • I’ve heard you can buy that costume at Target.

          • Steven K.

            Or Filene’s Basement (although I think that original main store at Downtown Crossing in Boston closed down several years back, unfortunately).

          • Thank you much. I’m used to sifting and it’s nice to be introduced to new compilations. Much appreciated.

  • Holly

    MINE!…. Or not.

    Well as many suspected Kyle broke free. And he BURNT anni. He’s not supposed to be able to burn anni. THAT is amazing power! Oh I am so excited! His will is strong and he is sexy!

    Also, Hello George my darling! *he stares at me. I stare back. We stare together. Always*

  • Bad situation but Kyle makes me cheer .. he actually burned him.

  • Sapfo

    Have Kyle become stronger. He was not able to hurt Duncan before. Right?

  • Yay! That is all (for now)

  • Holly

    UNRELATED TO KYLE’S AWESOME: Who wants to hear about the EVENT that happened today?

    • How horrific?

      • Holly

        Someone says something horrible to be. I retell the story to get some shocked reactions at this. A friend agrees.

        • Go for it.

          • Holly

            Okay so I haven’t had a job in a long time, but I’ve been trying to get one since July. My brother and dad help me with food and bills but I hate to be a burden. Anyway, I ran out of most of my essentials so I had nothing really to eat this week except rice.Now I was complaining to a girl online about how I’ve been losing weight lately (yay), but that i’m not sure if it’s because I’m being more active, the digestive problems I’ve been having since my gallbladder surgery last year, or literally the fact that I’m STARVING. (Rice is not exactly full of nutrients) And she basically says that it would suck if I gain the weight back once I start eating healthy again, and maybe I should stick to barely eating. Basically, “Take the Dive and become anorexic.”

            So I tell this story to my friends tonight during a break while recording episode two of the series. Everyone is shocked and disgusted, except my friend Tia(fake name). Tia excitedly suggests that maybe I SHOULD only eat rice all the time, not return to eating healthy, etc. After all, I wouldn’t want to gain weight. And the jaws of everyone else in the room hit the FLOOR.

          • *jaw drop* Good grief. *sputter* No words.

          • Holly

            I KNOW RIGHT!

          • The things that go through some people’s minds. I’m still at a loss of words. Maybe she needs a good smack on the back of her head to jostle her brain back into place?

          • Holly

            Maybe. I think she’s just kind of stuck in her own world. TIALAND!

          • That too. Most people are stuck in their own land. 😐

          • Holly

            🙁 well that is a depressing thought

          • Yup. It sometimes takes a fall to realize it.

          • Holly

            I FOUND HALF A MEAT LOAF SANDWICH IN MY FRIDGE! (not to worry only two days old) YAY!

            What kind of fall?!

          • YAY! That’s like finding a five dollar bill in your pocket you forgot about.

            It depends on the person, but then sometimes shit is so real that all one can do is concentrate on their own issues. Sometimes it’s just age too.

          • Holly

            One time i had like 2 dollars I went to buy a microwave meal with it. On my way to the store I found TWENTY BUCKS IN THE STREET. I took it as the universe liking me. Plus no one else was around so I couldn’t find who lost it.

          • Exactly. I don’t think I’ve found a $20, but I have found a $5 outside a gas station and twice there’s already been a dollar in the lottery machine.

          • Holly

            I once discovered a hidden twenty in my wallet. When I have money, I like to get at least one emergency twenty. It just makes a person feel better. But only when I have spare money. Sometimes you need every last nicklel. (canada doesn’t have pennies.)

          • Hey, sometimes it’s those pennies (nickels) that get you dinner. (since we still have them).

          • Holly

            Perception is funny. Like when you have money so you get a 5 dollar smoothie, and then later you don’t have money and you’re like “Damn I wish I had those five dollars” LOL

          • Exactly, exactly. Been there.

          • Holly

            But I might have a job soon ^_^

          • Fingers definitely crossed over here!

          • Holly

            Thanks. They called while i was at recording so I missed the call, but they left a message. I will call in the morning.

          • How is the web series coming along?

          • Holly

            We filmed almost all off episode two today. ^^ so sunday will be reshoots. We might even start on episode three. We will have episode one up soon

          • You’ll need to let us know.

          • Holly

            I SHALL!!!

          • Steven K.

            I LOVE smoothies, but usually they (well, and less-healthy things like milkshakes) are SOOO overpriced for what they are.

          • Sapfo

            Well I´m stuck in Laampros world right now 😉

          • Holly

            GEORGEVILLE! *stares. stares. Stares. always*

          • Beware the rampaging Redhot.

          • Sapfo

            Loosing weight is not always a good thing and by eating a very limited diet is not good at all. That girl do not know what she is talking about.
            The body needs more then rice.

            one can become demented by an unbalanced diet. But what do you do for achieving an unhealthy ideal?

          • Holly

            Yes that was the point. I was telling a story about a horrible girl who suggested I be anorexic, and my actual real life “friend” agreed with the person telling me to be anorexic

          • Sapfo

            Live by your own ideals, they are more health and you will feel better.

            (I just hope you will be able to buy more then rice soon)

          • Holly

            I feel you are missing the point of the story a little. obviously i would never treat my body in such a way on purpose.

            And yeah, my dad sent me some money so I will buy some essentials tomorrow

          • Sapfo

            No I think I got you view, that loosing weight in this manner is bad. Right?

            And the things “girl-on-line” and “Tia” said made you little shocked. Right?

            Am I totally of? I am a little tiered so I might have gotten it wrong.

          • Holly

            No that is correct. It’s your replies sounded like you were trying to EXPLAIN TO ME why such a thing is bad. And i was trying to respond “yes I already knew it was bad, which is why we were all shocked.”

          • Sapfo

            Na, just putting in my 2 cents, that’s all. I have worked with girls like that. There is no real good way to reason with them.

          • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

            Sweet Christ, Tia (name changed to protect the guilty) needs some counseling from an eating disorder clinic. Putting thin-ness above all else is a very dangerous attitude.

          • Holly

            OH she doesn’t starve HERSELF silly. Just thinks I should.

          • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

            Daaaaaaamn! I think I might have bopped her upside the head with a celery stick.

          • That’s what I said.

          • Adam Black

            Actually, there is a danger that you will gain all the weight back and THEN some.

            starvation diets, even from being poor cause rebound weight.

            So you should try to east super healthy, lots of vegetables to fill you up when you can.

            or you go back to lots high calorie foods, ..weight gain
            it takes like 3 months for your body to adjust to higher calories.

          • Holly

            It’s just this week. Normally i eat pretty balanced meals, and once a week friends of mine cook dinner together and i eat that. So is one week on the rice going to ruin my metabolism etc?

          • Adam Black

            for 1 week only, no but its like living off pure sugar.

            Pick up a few sweet potatoes if u can. nukem add cinnamon, and a little oil ( or peanutbutter ) and mix with your rice.

            Whole Foods gives away a lot of bread and nice salads to their communities ( local food banks )

            You might be amazed at what is given away by supermarkets

          • Holly

            I literally had NO money. Plus I don’t know where the foodbank is.

            my dad just sent me some. I’m going to pick up my essentials.

          • Adam Black

            If you buy staple foods ( for when you are low on money ) get good grains.

            you cant live on white rice.

            Pick up brown or Quinoa ( high in protein ). and beans and canned corn. you can live off that

          • Holly

            I had essentials like that. Including frozen corn etc. I just ran out. My freezer and cupboard slowly emptied. It just happens sometimes.

          • Adam Black

            I hear you .

            If it happens a lot check out the wholefoods thing.
            I had a roommate who worked at a local “foodbank” .
            It was really a small club to get free food. It was good stuff that I normally dont buy either.

          • Holly

            Also we don’t have Whole Foods Canada. Or at least not this part.

          • Adam Black

            Iglooland? I had no idea.

            Do you live in the part that kills baby seals?

          • Holly
          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            I hear you on the cupboard was bare thing. My dog’s been wiping out my food budget with an abscessed growth on his tail. Lucky (or unlucky?) me, I grew up in poverty, so I can stock a pantry like nobody’s business, so I wasn’t too bad off, but pretty much I was living on my baking supplies to save money for vet visits.

            My tip for everyone is learn to cook while you have the money to do it. Then stock your home with flour, sugar, salt, eggs, butter, milk, and rice and do not let these run out. The things you can make with these things are almost limitless – add yeast, cheese, and cheap frozen vegetables and you’ll have a veritable feast! We’ve been struggling financially for a couple of years now, and all those old-school baking and cooking skills have really saved our skins.

            I’ve been referencing old cookbooks from the WW1 to WW2 era (Foods That Will Win the War by Goudiss and Goudiss, 1918 is a very good choice – Gutenburg Project: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/15464). A big tip from the days of rationing that was passed down to me by my grandmother – if you’re using ground meat, you can substitute about half of the meat with boiled rice or barley to stretch the meat further.

          • Ugh. (a) Sudden changes in weight (up or down) are usually a sign that something nasty is happening to your health. (b) Being Pollyanna on your own behalf is one thing, but minimizing other people’s problems by being Pollyana on their behalf is the behaviour of an arsehole. (c) A pure rice diet is not sustainable.

            Sorry you had to go through that, Holly. Wishing you the best.

            TRiG.

  • DiDi

    Did he just get burned? I thought he was immune to fire…

    Is this something interesting? Or are only the parts of him in the armor immune to fire?

  • I absolutely love Big Red’s face in panel two. It’s kinda saying “Hur?” Like when a dog tilts their head to the side at an odd noise.

  • Amanda

    No one better harm a damn spot on George.

    • Holly

      I WOULD KILL THEM! *stares at George, He stares back. We stare together. ALWAYS*

      • Amanda

        Forget Dinosaur and monster erotica, George is ushering us into the Giant Floaty Eyeball romance era! So suck it Nora Roberts and Nicholas Sparks.

        • Holly

          Nicholas Sparks; I enjoy the movie adaptations but not the books. he is a bad writer with good ideas.

          DO NOT HUG THE FLOATY EYE!

        • Steven K.

          I’d def. be more prone to read that than that “50 Shades of Grey” excrement.

          • Amanda

            Yeah That’s a road I am going nowhere near.

    • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

      The worse thing that could happen to George is he’s hosed down with visine. Or is that the best thing?

      • Amanda

        That’s typically how Giant Floating Eyeball wet tshirt contests go down.

    • Steven K.

      Maybe he should get out his Ray-Bans, or some welding goggles.

      • Amanda

        Definitely, something. There really should be a petition to adopt George as a permanent cast member. I mean that Giant Floating Eyeball has touched all our hearts.

  • Jakk Anthony Guzman

    His fire is stronger, he managed to burn Duncan.

  • davefragments

    He let out a blast of fire that burnt DUncan’s hand…

    oooh, interesting and unexpected. I wonder just how hot Kyle can get…

  • Sapfo

    Totally unrelated question: Is Laampros born with those horns, or did they come after the? Even if they were very small, I would not like to be the woman who gives birth to a child with horns!

    • Holly

      Probably like a goat, cow, or other horned animals he was probably born without. They probably grew in. As well, if he wasn’t BORN a demon that solves the problem as well.

      • Klaus

        Are demons born?

        • Holly

          Sometimes?

      • Sapfo

        Was not Hellboy born with horns?

        • Holly

          Was he BORN or just summoned as an infant?

          And even so, NO vagina to go through

          • Sapfo

            I don´t really remember, Have not read it in a long time. But I do have an image of baby Hellboy with horns.

        • Steven K.

          I think they were very small at the time he “came through” – but yeah – we don’t have a situation in that case that he came out via a normal human (or even abnormal and/or inhuman) reproductive tract.

    • Steven K.

      If he’s some sort of metaphysical being, he may not have been “born” in the human sense. I assume the standard belief is that beings such as angels and demons, etc., are in some way “created” or otherwise brought into being without being physically birthed by a mother? (Although there are the stories of demon-babies, or half-breed children of the devil or a demon with a human woman (like the classic “Rosemary’s Baby”).

  • Amanda

    Also, If Anni is redeemed, I hope that Kyle didn’t just permanently injure the hand that Duncan uses when Mother Thumb and her 4 daughters come to visit.

  • Looking at Kyle, I guess PP did a slightly miscalculation about him and powers needed to restrain him.

    Well this should learn them never to underestimate the strength of someone fighting for their life and loved ones.
    Duncan’s life lesson is gonna be quite physical.

    • Holly

      He just turned 18, he’s probably coming MORE fully into his powers. You know the whole adult thing.

      • But 18 is just an age set by law/society standards. He’s legal in the eyes of the law, but he is still ‘just’ a teenager as well. I read somewhere recently that the brain isn’t actually reaching ‘adulthood’ for most until they’re in their early/mid 20s, and we mature at different times.

        Sure it can have something to do with brcoming an adult, but it could just as well be something about ‘if you push someone hard enough they’re eventually gonna push harder back’.

        • Sapfo

          Yes, that’s true about the body. But the story might not know that 😉

        • Holly

          Yes well yeah that’s option two. He won’t be post-pubescent until he’s 25 or 26 technically. Development takes so long. So he could just be developing still. Like that is like deciding someone height at 17 and then being shocked they are taller at 24.

          Also, if his powers are MAGIC, 18 could still be a magic number. But I agree, ANGER makes powers grown. ADRENALINE!

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Sure, developmentally speaking, you don’t really reach full adulthood until you’re around 30, but there’s also Kyle’s perception to throw into the mix. If he views himself as an adult now that he’s 18, couldn’t that have
            an effect on his power manifestation?

          • Holly

            Depends on the source really. For example, if it’s pure pyrokinesis than brain development affects it. If it’s magic, other factors. and the things.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            True, though contrary to popular belief, the brain never stops developing, so it stands to reason if it’s plain pyrokinesis, his power would change over time.

            If it’s magic, well, all bets are off, that’s down to whomever or whatever set the rules down for his powers.

            Whatever the case, this might be an interesting development of Kyle’s abilities, or a strange synergy with location kind of deal – I’d be very interested to find out which. 🙂

  • Jakk Anthony Guzman

    Laampros seems to be almost smiling in panel 2.

    • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

      I think he’s got that “something smells” look he had when he told Duncan that “There is nothing that happens here without my allowing it” on page 36.

      • davefragments

        He referred to Kyle as “this is what you used to pierce the…”
        So he obviously thinks that Kyle is a willing tool and not much else.

    • Pup Ruff

      yeah, he does.

  • TwilightDreamer

    holy smokes!!! He hurt him!? :O He actually managed to burn the annihalator!?
    ……wahoo Kyle!! XD
    Duncan better grab that key back up though, with Lammpros around and all…

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      Yeah, Laampros could just grab it and fly away with it.

      • TwilightDreamer

        That’s exactly what I can see happening if he doesn’t pick it right back up…or threatening Duncan to activate the other key.

  • FIRE BALL IN THE CHEST!

    • Holly

      TO HOT TO TOUCH! *shot*

  • Steven K.

    YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      Yeah right? Finally! 😀

    • Admit it you and I just like that little red armpit, pervs that we are. *grins*

      • Sapfo

        If it weren’t for you, I would have missed it XD
        Kinky little Chis!

        • ScorpioladyCZ

          I didn’t miss it.

      • Steven K.

        Well, no doubt about THAT, either – have never hid being a fan of such things here 😉

  • Pup Ruff

    So… anyone else just a little distracted by getting a bit more of a look at Duncan as he gets up?

    • YangYueLan

      You mean Kyle? I bet in the hard copy (when it gets printed) will have more of a view 😛

      • Pup Ruff

        Yes, Kyle. Like I said, distracted. 🙂

      • Most likely not.. if I get you right and you mean genital. The comic is R-rated but he’s not adding that to print either.
        It’s PG-17, not 18+ 😉

    • Denise Cruz

      You meant, besides me?! lol

  • Denise Cruz

    Great job Kyle! It was worth the waiting time!
    Burning hand! lol

  • It appears Kyle burnt off Anni’s glove. Do you suppose that Laampros made Kyle stronger as he was standing over him? Or is it just anger leveling him up?

    • Denise Cruz

      I believe it was the second option,for sure!
      Laampros wouldn’t help anyone else besides himself! Not without geting something back, at least!

      • Unless he did it to mess with Duncan, because he thinks so highly (not) of him. It was just a thought that popped into my mind so I thought I would share.

        I like the thought of him leveling up on his own.

        • Denise Cruz

          Agreed! But, it could be a very dangerous shot… The boy could do…well… exactly what he is doing now and Laampros can loose control over the situation… As I said: a dangerous shot, just to mess with someone who he once called a ‘maggot’. Uhn?! O.o

          • He’s a demon?

          • Denise Cruz

            Well… yes, he is… but, no one said that Kyle isn’t one, too… Ô.o

          • Very true. But I was thinking because Laampy was a demon was enough reason to cause Duncan trouble.

            Basically at this moment it’s like he’s become the Hulk.

          • Denise Cruz

            And If he kind of invalidate Duncan’s powers, rather than strengthen another possible enemy of his plans?

          • There’s that too. But he has yet to touch Duncan, so… So many things.

          • Denise Cruz

            Alex is unbelievable! He always does that to us! We can never guess things completely! lol

          • But that’s how he keeps us coming back. 😀

          • Denise Cruz

            Oh, I know that! It wasn’t a complaint, just a comment full of deep admiration! 😉
            The guy rocks! Always!

          • Indeed indeed. 🙂

        • Adam Black

          I had the same thought last page.

          Laampros does look amused.

          • Very amused. I wouldn’t be surprised if he busts out laughing.

          • I don’t think Laampy has had this much ‘entertainment’ for a while and since he’s probably not in greater risk, he’ll have fun no matter how this turn out.
            He might not get his billions of souls, but he was amused while it lasted… or/and he’s so much more arrogant than Duncan that this isn’t something he deems as being serious.

          • I’m sure Laampy’s not concerned at all. That he thinks so little of Duncan as it is, yeah, definitely entertaining.

          • Do you think his cable is out? This might be great entertainment for Laamp.

          • Adam Black

            ya I just posted the Hell has no cable theory too..

      • TheManBehindTheCurtain

        Well 2 thoughs from me:
        1) Anni is invunerable in the real world, but Laampros already stated that Anni couldn’t survive all that long in his, so Anii’s invunerability is probably weakening.
        2) Kyle’s intense anger, and being in a dimension of fire, are both probably boosting his powers.
        3) Anni’s body is normally invunerable, I don’t recall anything about his costume being invunerable.
        Ok, 3 thoughts.

        • Denise Cruz

          True! But, someway, his costume didn’t burn when Kyle … kind of spurted fire, before…

          About the other two thoughts: Agreed!!

        • Klaus

          After the Hong Kong fight, Duncan explains that he will heal in few minutes now his powers are back. He must have been hurt before. How else would he know?

    • Holly

      My votes:
      1) ANGER
      2) ADRNALINE
      3) BIRTHDAY MEANS POWERS LEVEL UP

      • He’s done gone super saiyan. 🙂

        • Holly

          SUPER SAIYAN LEVEL FOUR!

        • Holly

          HE IS THE PHOENIX!

      • dereule101

        I wish MY powers leveled up on my birthday. 🙁

        • Holly

          Sadly you actually have to gain skills the old fashioned way. By putting points and time into them.

          • dereule101

            I go on quests like “Escort these merchants across the swamp.”

          • Holly

            O_o your life sound interesting.

      • EldrinSMP

        Ahh, That’s why he couldn’t move. He was spending skill points and choosing his new feats and abilities!

        • Holly

          Always wondered what enemies did while I was organizing my spells

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            lol, it’s fun, albeit a longwinded process, to organize spells and level up at the same time.

          • Holly

            I love all magic users who don’t need to PREPARE spells daily. So much easier

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Oh yeah, Sorcerors for the win!

          • Holly

            ORACLES! If you are stuck in early game.

    • WarGoddess

      I think that Duncan’s scheming has caused Kyle’s literally hot temper to go supervolcano mode. We are about to see the eruption of Kylestone, lol. 😀

      • Redhot Smash!

        • WarGoddess

          I could just picture Kyle gripping Duncan by his ankles and body slamming him a few times, then walking away going “Puny supervillain,” lol. 😀

          • YES! I YES YES! I love that scene and can just picture it too.

          • WarGoddess

            That scene. Made me laugh so hard when I watched it in the theatres; my friend Chrissy had just left to go to the restroom and missed it, and she was so mad! 😀

          • We sometimes rewind it just to hear Loki’s little groan. I didn’t get to see it in the theater, but the first time we watched it on DVD, yeah, hysterical laughter. The GREATEST scene ever.

          • LOL.. I made a comment much alike this on previous page with Laampy’s ‘give me your arm’ comment.
            I got this image of either Laampy or Duncan grabbing the others’ hand and then smash dunk him into the ground a few times.

    • Adam Black

      Its taken him this long to recharge.

      ( VIRGIN )

      • HA!

        I thought it was the old guys who had trouble recharging.

        • Adam Black

          It’s partly psychological.
          Youngins may get so wrapped up in it they lose all interest or dont even try.

          • I learn something new. Selfish little turds.

          • Adam Black

            Rule 1 Never take your hand off the goods— despite protests. You may need to be still. ( Unless you don’t want to. but thats a whole another game )

            You can manually initiate a reloading process in 3-6 minutes

          • Manual override switch activated.

          • Adam Black

            Practice this phrase “I just want to hold you. It will be OK” and wipe away any stray tears.

            That or he will get outta bed and go play his playstation.

          • At which point you figure he’s a lost cause, make him lose a life, and then leave. Right?

          • Adam Black

            WHAT?!
            Don’t be ridiculous. Picka joystick and go polish it.

            You need to see how good his skills are , and If he can still score while you bend him over.

          • Okay then. I will have to keep that in mind if I ever have fun with a noob. Hehe…like this?

            http://satwcomic.com/women-s-rights (NSFW)

            Or maybe this?

            http://satwcomic.com/you-say-it-best

          • Steven K.

            Yep.

          • Adam Black

            get out that Kung fu grip

          • Steven K.

            I’ve mentioned things/guys like that. Among guys of any age there are those that get off then ALL they want to do is get out as fast as possible – no helping you in return, no touching, no kissing, no cuddling – they are totally done and don’t know the meaning of “afterglow”.

          • Adam Black

            try restraints next time

      • Steven K.

        That VERY WELL cold be – it was a super-duper big gigantic (fire) load he spurted forth before. Should I suspect that any semen that also, naturally, was expelled was vaporized the same instant? Hmmm…guys who are indestructible but who are also into jizz are going to be disappointed.

        • Adam Black

          It was made of fire, plasma plasma

  • WarGoddess

    YES!!!! I have waited for this moment for a long time, and to finally have it arrive fills me with the type of joy I never thought i’d feel again! Kick his ass, Kyle, he deserves it! He needs an unforeseen flaw in his plan! You are the flaw! Be the flaw! Become one with the flaw! Lol. 😀

    Now that my excitement has been expressed, let me just propose an idea. Hellish landscape, full of fire, home of demons. Just the right place that would increase Kyle’s pyrokinetic abilities, right? I mean, Laampros said that even Duncan wasn’t strong enough to remain in that world for long. Perhaps it’s because of the extreme temperature? I mean, a place that was eternally on fire like this one has to be positively roasting compared to our planet. Maybe Duncan’s invulnerability is only able to handle anything OUR planet is able to dish out. And since Kyle is a being of fire, is able to draw it into himself and expel it outwards, he is completely unaffected by the temperatures, and is in fact able to feed on it and increase the severity of his flames. Not to mention he has completely flown off the handle at the moment. He would be able to burn hotter than he ever could on our world. And it looks to be just hot enough to actually burn our silver supervillain and make him realize that Kyle is not a force to be underestimated. 😀

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      I also think that he may be feeding off the energy fire around him (possibly making him stronger), and is also pissed off as hell too.

      • WarGoddess

        I definitely agree, Duncan unwittingly brought Kyle into a world that will fuel Kyle’s eternal rage like a nuclear explosion packed into a massive supervolcano loaded with adrenaline and steroids. 😀

    • I was wondering something similar, if Duncan’s abilities were somewhat neutralized in this realm.

      • WarGoddess

        I don’t think they’re fully neutralized, or else he wouldn’t be able to be there at all. A normal, powerless being would likely be incinerated in the first few seconds. And Duncan may have just made the colossal mistake of bringing Kyle into a world that acts as Kyle’s own nuclear-powered battery, so to speak. 😀

        • No, not fully neutralized, but definitely hindered. Duncan’s powers could also be reaching their limit (for being there) too.

          But other than that, very very true. Nuclear powered Kyle

      • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

        Ya know, way back on their date I could have sworn that Duncan mentioned that nobody had super powers in his youth. They were just something that existed in comic books. I’m thinking that Duncan or someone contacted some kind of powerful being like Laampros and made comic book powers real.

        • That’s an interesting possibility. A generalized wish.

    • Steven K.

      Awesome summation of a lot of the ideas that have been bouncing around here.

  • Super fun. An energized exciting page Alex. Plaudits to you, Adam and Veronica. Great stuff as always.

    • Denise Cruz

      I was missing this kind of energy, already! 😀 Great stuff!

  • Jakk Anthony Guzman

    Wouldn’t Duncan have to touch Kyle and say another spell to get back, as he did to travel to this place? If Kyle breaks free and remains strong, he won’t let Duncan near him.

    • Steven K.

      EXACTLY! I was wondering the same thing – if he needed Kyle in his bound and controlled-flaming state to get back, how’s all that gonna work now and what is to prevent them from being trapped there with Laampros?

  • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

    *dies laughing*

    Oh Dunks… be glad you didn’t lose your hand.

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      He still might, and Laampros could take the other one! 😛

      • Steven K.

        🙂

    • You did say we’d enjoy seeing Duncan have to take a bit and it seems you were quite right. 🙂

      • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

        Schadenfreude with a healthy dose of been there, done that (at least metaphorically).

    • Steven K.

      Err – Arm (to Laampros, that is).

      • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

        I was going for Kyle’s anger, but that’s funny too.

      • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

        You know, Steven, Francis of Assisi had a vision of Christ as a Seraph… if we’re running with your Kyle-is-Christ thread. It combines those ideas.

        • Steven K.

          Just so you everyone knows, I just postulated that “literary theory” due to the various situational analogues that COULD be seen or interpreted between Kyle and Christ. I’m not saying that it is my feeling that such is intended by the author or that it is intentional – AND I myself am not particularly Christian, so it is not MY intention to be waving around a Christian symbolism or interpretation flag.
          But YES to your comment – that is convenient.

  • For the first time, Duncan truely has lost control over the situation, and he sure doesn’t like it.

    About time his arrogant ass is taken down a couple notches.
    His ass will still look mighty fine afterwards.. even if it might be slightly roasted for a while xD

    • Sapfo

      I am keen to know how Laampros feel about this little fire-starter, now that Kyle is more the a chess piece he can manhandle.

    • Just a little less hairy.

      • LOL.

      • Oh no.. I just realized Kyle might be able to burn off Duncan’s fuzzy chest hair right now.

        Hmm.. wonder if would they have to grow back, if that happens, or if they’ll just reappear when he heals. I think it would be the first option.

        Now look where you made my mind go >.>

        • Holly

          Perhaps it will come in thicker.

        • I think it’s worthy of such contemplation. Poor thing if it needs grow back, the itch of it.

          • Steven K.

            Not nearly as bad as things growing back after a fellow has shaved his scrotal bits. Either have to spend a LOT of bothersome “upkeep” to maintain it that way, or deal with the itch of it all.

          • ‘Tis a thing the ladies suffer as well.

        • Itchy.

        • YES. BURN IT OFF, KYLE.

  • Adam Irving

    Ah…a change in tempo!

  • CH

    This is what happens when you forget that the fact that you need his power is generally a sign that he has a great amount of power, and you’re pissing him off.

  • dereule101

    Yeah! Burn that bastard!

  • Adam Black

    Laampros just seems to be standing around,

    Not even trying to stop Kyle from Interfering with his supposed greatest wish.

    Is he that lacking in entertainment,
    or his doing?

    • Denise Cruz

      He’s probably very, very surprised right now! He didn’t expect it from Kyle!
      I almost feel sorry for him, now… (Almost!)

    • As I said below, Laamp’s cable may be out…

    • Something I wondered myself, the Laampy’s doing.

    • Ali

      It’s a bit hard to tell, but I think he looks amused in the second panel. And he’s probably so strong and powerful, he might figure, “I’ll swat this fly when he stops being a source of amusement.”

      • Adam Black

        No cable in Hell

        • Ali

          OH! I read a comment that said that his cable was out but didn’t get it at all. I thought, “Cable? Is he mechanical in some way?”

          Maybe it’s time I went to bed…

          • Adam Black

            I just told that joke better.
            It will be our secret. No one tell @Chris Dangerfield:disqus

    • Holly

      I think he’s just a little shocked and confused. Plus this whole page might only be a couple of seconds, so he needs time to react.

      • Adam Black

        Duncan had time.

        • Holly

          React to the burning. I don’t think Laampy realizes there is a problem yet.

          • Adam Black

            Laampy seems passive to me.

            must be a bottom

          • Unless this is the greatest thing to happen in awhile and is just sitting back with some popcorn.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Never underestimate the power of cosmic boredom.

          • Indeed not. I’m surprised there isn’t a bigger audience. UNLESS, George is projecting this onto a large screen in some arena elsewhere.

          • And a very attractive red one at that.

          • Sapfo

            I thought you wanted a firecracker with armpit hair, not a hot cool giant o.O

          • Not mutually exclusive. 🙂

          • Steven K.

            That was me. 😉

          • Adam Black

            I bet you can fit your whole….

          • HA!

          • Steven K.

            Just like South Park’s Satan (red and a bottom, though not my type in the area of attractiveness). “Saddam is from Mars, Satan is from Venus”. What’s that one quote – something like …

            Satan:
            “Saddam, how come you always want to make love to me from behind? Is it because you want to pretend I’m somebody else?”

            Saddam:
            “Satan! – Your ass is gigantic and red – who am I going to pretend you are? – Liza Minelli?””

    • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

      Duncan let go of the key. Laampros could go after that while Kyle is beating Dunks to a pulp.

      Also, Laampros’ wish seems to only bear superficial similarity to what Duncan described given how irritated Laampy got when Dunks tempted him.

      • Adam Black

        maybe Laampros know something we do not.

      • I foresee a clusterfuck of major proportions in the near future.

      • Steven K.

        Well, he dropped it under Kyle’s attack, rather than willingly let go of it.

        • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

          The grey area is that it was already offered.

  • Sapfo

    A recipe to Mr Chef Kyle cookbook: “Flambéed Spotted Dick”

    Known things about Chef Kyle, he is an expert on the Flambéed specialties.

    • Holly

      Charred Sausage!

    • dereule101

      All that syrupy sweet talk that runs from Duncan’s mouth is going to caramelize quite nicely.

  • SofiaT

    Are Duncan’s powers nullified in this dimension or are Kyle’s powers amplified? Because if the second is true, that could be a clue to his origins.

    • Either way, Duncan’s in trouble for sure.

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      I’m thinking that most likely Kyle’s powers are amplified. And possibly Duncan might be a bit weaker too in this dimension.

    • Steven K.

      Yeah – many here have been speculating a lot about that concerning Kyle and the nature of his powers and what clues this page gives us, and why he was able to escape his bonds. However, when Duncan told Kyle “you can’t hurt me”, and that he’s fireproof/indestructible/etc. – maybe that was a lie too. Maybe Duncan COULDN’T have stayed in the bed during Kyle’s orgasm (because he really WAS vulnerable) without uttering a spell to, among other things, direct and control the flames to issue from Kyle’s extremities only, directing them very specifically. Also recall that, even with those reduced/directed flames, Duncan gets up and out of the bed and out of the way pretty quickly. If Duncan really was vulnerable, he couldn’t have withstood a Kyle-climax while intertwined with him anyway. (For those of you who want something to ameliorate the wickedness of Duncan’s actions just a teeny tiny bit.)

      • Adam Black

        Oooh the Immaculate Firection gets a Kyle-max,

        we are rubbing off on you

  • Donald Burch

    Has anyone noticed yet? Duncan dropped the key…

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      Yep, let’s see if Laampros picks it up or it gets destroyed.

    • WarGoddess

      Haha Duncan dropped the ball. 😀

    • Holly

      I hope we get a nice shot of someone bending over to pick i up. Probably Duncan, as he is clothed.

      • True. If you’re in prison, never drop your key in the shower.

        • Holly

          Yeah that’s why they use shower gel dispensers now instead of bar soap.

          (Also I was just thinking that i wanted you to reply to me on something, and here you are. YAY)

          • LOL. Would it be too forward of me to ask how you know about the gel dispensers? *leans in to hear answer*

          • Holly

            I like documentaries.

            Also, i forgot to tell you about the pornstars last time.

        • Sapfo

          make sure you look good in orange?
          And is it not the soap that you not suppose to dropp?

          • Holly

            Just never bend over ever

          • I think the idea is that, unless the gentleman in the shower stall next to you is unusually attractive, dropping in general is discouraged. 🙂

          • Holly

            I am going to regret this but…
            Prisons don’t have stalls.

          • Klaus

            Do inmates have keys?

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Probably not in the sense most people think of keys – it’s a potential weapon, but I think I recall inmates in a prison in an episode of Pit Bulls and Parolees had keycards for something?

          • I know but saying the “dude at the next spigot” just didn’t have the same joie de vivre… LOL. Just a little penal system pre-fornicatory inaccuracy. LOL.

          • Holly

            The guy next to you?

          • Steven K.

            That’s a word (spigot) that doesn’t seem to be used that much these days – seems to have fallen out of favor, ‘cept for with the farm folk and/or the older folk. Makes me think of that classic Dudley Moore / Peter Cook sketch with Moore playing “Mr. Spigot”, a “unidexter” auditioning for the part of Tarzan. “You’re right leg I like …. I have nothing against your right leg …..the trouble is – neither do you.”

          • HA! I know, what a time to lamely blank out on the term ‘shower head’. *shakes head ruefully*

          • Adam Black

            @Chis Dangerfield : disqus
            rushes off to a felony

          • LOL!

          • Steven K.

            That’s what I was thinking.

          • Sapfo

            I would not mind dropping a thing or two 😉
            But I do not look good in orange, so that’s the main reason for not going to prison 😉

            (Oh but in Sweden the clothes are not orange)

          • Holly

            what colour are they?

          • Sapfo

            Normal. The Swedish prison system is based more on rehabilitation, then to punish.

          • Holly

            what colour is normal? do you mean they just wear normal clothes? no uniform

          • Sapfo

            Not uniforms, just normal. maybe not suites and tie, but sweat pants and so.

          • Holly

            that’s nice.

          • ScorpioladyCZ

            Oh, that is great!… Sounds like everything about Sweden is just perfect, I’m packing my bags and moving for good! (Czech Republic suck, the economy, low life standart for too many people, kids and drugs situation, just everything…)

          • Sapfo has a revelation!

          • Sapfo

            I do? Were?

    • Adam Black

      yeah …..

    • *watches as the key rolls or bounces by* Sapfo, aren’t you going to pick that up? This way you don’t have to ask Duncan for it.

      • Sapfo

        What Key? I don´t know what you are talking about….*kicks bag under the bed*…. I think I have to go now……<..>

        • Holly

          I HAVE ANDROID POWERS THAT LET ME OPEN ALL DOORS! *opens portal to the sexy yaoi boy dimension then closes it* See? I am very well programmed!

          • Sapfo

            And I have a bag with nothing important in…. “This bag? Na it´s not important. Look at Holly, she can open doors!”

          • Holly

            *opens door to a world of Nutella smeared John Barrowmans* SEE! *closes* Yup sapfo has nothing hidden. *holds out hands for my cookies*

          • Sapfo

            *one cookie, two cookies……500 cookies. so worth it*
            “I be in my bunk!”

          • Holly

            yeah weren’t you going to bed?

          • Sapfo

            Just a short nap. Have a good day! ^_^

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Uhm… uh… if you could make that real, I’d bake cookies whenever you could drag me from that world. Yeah. Forever.

          • Holly

            The Nutella Barrowmans are still gay silly. Or are you just going to watch them play with themselves. LOL

          • How about Nutella covered Captain Jack Harkness. He’s bi, right?

          • Holly

            *blinks* What about Captain Jack?

          • Covered in Nutella. He goes more than one way.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            No, Jack Harkness is omni. Male, female, some combination of the above, neither, alien, it’s all good 😉

          • And all covered in Nutella. Yup all good.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Bunk. I’ll be in it. Yup.

          • 😀

          • Adam Black

            I bet jack likes tentacles

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Oddly enough… there was a fanfic I read… I’ll be darned if I can remember where…

          • Adam Black

            wasn’t there something on show?

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Gosh, I must’ve slept through that episode last time it was on, because I can’t remember.

          • Adam Black

            The Silence have gotten to you, or was it a crack?

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Gosh, if I knew that, what need would there be for a Time Lord?

          • Wonderful for hard to reach places.

          • Adam Black

            especially in hottubs

          • Kyle’d be good for ‘hot’ tubs… bonus.

          • Adam Black

            If you want to cooked like a LObstah

          • Sometimes sacrifices must be made for Ginger love.

          • Adam Black

            like dragons?

          • True. Kyle was a virgin… chained to a rock… very traditional.

          • Adam Black

            DUDE!!!
            You cracked the CODE!
            This is the “Beyond” in “Bed, Bath, and Beyond”

          • And the doors to design paradise open…

          • Adam Black

            isnt that how hellraiser starts?

          • Steven K.

            Then I guess I like my decor “traditional”!

          • HA!

          • Steven K.

            Male Centauri have tentacles for their reproductive ……well, as Ambassador Molari would say …. “attributes” (though he’s also been known to use them for cheating at cards).

          • Adam Black

            And the men on aliennation have sexy hidden pouches below their abdomen, you can put a baby in.

            And I hear Klingsons are barbed for her pleasure

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Bleh… damn having a female body and a male mind. I guess I’ll just watch them play, maybe shout some encouragement?

          • Bi, omni, gay I’d hit/lick/watch that no matter what the persuasion. Just come on in and slam that door (but leave it unlocked so the others can join us if they want to).

          • I’m not sure if Barrowman’s got time for ego-surfing any more, but if he does, he’s probably completely bewildered by now.

  • Ellen Harman

    Reading down the comments, a thought has occured ro me. Kyle lived with a foster family, so no parents. What if one of his parents happen to be from this demon realm? That would definitely explain why the spell is no longer effective and the boost in power. So he could be like Majik of the xmen or Raven of the teen titans,
    both of whom have one human parent and one demon.

    • Holly

      Good theory Ellen. A few have offered it before, so he could be a possibilty. You know Merlin’s sire was a demon. Yup. So yeah/

    • Adam Black

      I am thinking a God.

    • Steven K.

      Would be plausible and explain a few things.

  • Sapfo

    My stomach says “Eat!” My head says, “Sleep!” My lust say “Stay here and comment!”

    Please body be kinda nice to me.

    • Holly

      EAT WHAT?! Also you can have two of those things, just not the middle one.

      • Sapfo

        The problem is that sleep is what I need the most.

        • Holly

          Okay then sleep. But have a light snack first so that your hunger doesn’t make it hard to sleep or wake you prematurely.

  • Jakk Anthony Guzman

    Kyle: Worm!
    Laampros: Maggot!

    • Holly

      Duncan is moving up in the world!

  • Adam Black

    I wonder of anyone ( ahem, @disqus_5yYGRkSeuL:disqus ) is going to request a George romance card ?

    You can all ask kinds of life questions stats

    • Holly

      *blinks* Look I always had a thing for eyes. Just because he’s disembodied doesn’t mean you can pick on me adam.

      • Adam Black

        I am being serious.

        Don’t you want to know if he’s single?
        ( i hear he’s got a roving eye )

        favorite foods? best film? Now is out big chance?

      • Adam Black

        I didn’t mean to imply you are the Only George Lover.
        I just thought you would want to go …first

        • Holly

          First doing what?!

          • Adam Black

            Posting ….for George.
            Nobody even posted on the Romance Card list yet..
            Or did…

            But If @DanishWolf:disqus or @smsif:disqus beat you again from claiming first seat, it won’t be because *I* didn’t try

          • Holy’s busy staring, staring….

          • Adam Black

            someone keep that Angel away from mirrors,
            we will never hear from her again

    • Someone with a google+ account should ask for their weakness under Powers cards.

      • Adam Black

        their?

        • Each characters’ weakness. Alex did say questions should be able to cover them all and not individual for the cards.
          I’m really interedted to know what their weakness might be when it comes to powers.

          • SofiaT

            Done.

    • Sapfo

      I would really like a Clave romance card. He seems the cool and silent type.

    • Adam Black

      How about asking the Obvious Question?
      Is Duncan regularly annihilating Sircea?
      Enquiring minds want to Know

      • Holly

        blarg what if they are siblings or something

        • Adam Black

          all the better to find out?

          • Holly

            okay.

  • Jakk Anthony Guzman

    From Laampros expression, it looks to me like he might not react at all at first. He may be looking to see if this turns out to his advantage.

  • Summer

    I appreciate this page. I appreciate it HARD. GO KYLE GO!

  • That is some serious font you’re busting out Kyle.

    • ScorpioladyCZ

      Lol, thats what I though too! xD

      But seriously, I really admire how fonts etc. are used here (not on this page only) I can nearly HEAR their voices in my head. From drawing, writing, to fonts… it’s just great work all over. YP and Starfighter are my favourite comics now…
      Teahouse is forgotten far behind… It’s not even because of a plot, maybe it is more due to them taking long breaks TOO often, uploads just 1x a week and constant delays, delays, delays and broken promises, just neverending promising and making people wait ALL NIGHTS nearly every week for nothing and then saying page will be uploaded a day later etc. It was horrible experience with them. Yeah, maybe it is due to THIS, that I don’t really care about Teahouse anymore. But YP is PERFECT with uploads!!! Everytime right on time as promised and twice a week – it makes torture of waiting so much more bearable. 😉 Thank you so much, Alex!

      (Just wanted to say this. The point is not to badmouth TH, it’s more about poiting out what is bad for webcomic makers to do.)

  • Xalun K

    I kind of figured something like this was going to happen eventually. Kyle is a being of fire…. in a fire realm…. yeah. And Laampros definitely looks like he’s just waiting to see how this plays out, and how much energy he’s actually going to have to expend on all this.

    GO KYLE. You are AWESOME, buddy. I knew you had it in you. 😀 😀

    • Xalun K

      Also, is it just me, or does Kyle look like the more he struggles against the paralysis the bigger he gets??

  • Jakk Anthony Guzman

    Also there doesn’t seem to be any stream of fire constantly shooting out of Kyle’s arms like before.

    • He must’ve taken control when he broke the chains.

  • Soubi

    Anni, in the last panel, looks like “OOOH GURRRL, when my hand stops smoking I’m gonna smack you back to your universe!” -z-snap- Ayooo. No, really, Kyle…kick his ass.

    • Holly

      “You little brat, how the hell did you do that?!”

      • Soubi

        “LAAMPURRU-KUN, HOLD MY EARRINGS!”

        • Holly

          “Hold your own earring little maggot. This is amusing to me.”

          • Soubi

            LOL. Hmm…I wonder if he would just burn Anni’s weave up. Could make an interesting crotch-sensor for him though.

  • La Belle Gigi

    Dammit, now I have the self-centered moron from “That ’70s Show” screaming “BUUURRRRN!!” in my head.

  • Xalun K

    Holy hell I just noticed, Kyle burned Duncan’s glove right off!

    • Adam Black

      The gloves came Off!

      another visual pun.

      • Xalun K

        LOL that was terrible. 😛

        • Adam Black

          Its a visual pun. Ive been finding them regularly.
          Blame Alex . Im just the messenger

          Remember Duncan literally “blew Kyles socks off” ?

          • well not ‘literally’. I don’t think Duncan’s lips got any where near the redhot thingie.

          • Adam Black

            let’s not got into the 5 different inflections of “literally” . I said it was literally a pun. It is. Puns are literal. ( Even “Literally” as conventionally understood is a METAPHOR for its original meaning of *TEXTUAL* )

            When you say Literally you mean carrying out the idiom. that would also be idiomatically. Ducan blew it off

          • LOL… you’re right, I was using it in terms of wishfully… perv that I am. *sighs*

        • Adam Black

          & “Duncan dropped the ball. 😀 ”
          —–@disqus_yjiINLn9PV:disqus
          2nd Visual Pun found today.

  • Hell hath no fury like a man scorned.

    Oh Duncan, when you play with fire you get burned, because Kyle is all fired up.

    • Adam Black

      like a woman, Bottom

      ( and geek who’s shows shows get cancelled on FOX )
      scorned.

      There I fixed it for you.

      • Holly

        FOX: We put out amazing shows and then cancel them.

      • Oh you.. just let me play with phrases.
        Duncan finally yanked Kyle’s chains hard enough for him to snap, and he is hell-bent right now to kick Duncan’s ass into another dimension.

        • Adam Black

          @Xalun K are catching these puns?

          and it all started by rubbing two sticks together.

    • Holly

      “Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a KYLE scorned,”

      It bugs me no one ever quotes the first part.

    • Steven K.

      Was wondering when someone was going to dig out that line!

  • Only because it bears repeating:

    Redhot Smash!

    • Holly

      REDHOT INCINERATE!

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      Kyle is SO angry he might even get WHITE hot!

      • Holly

        OR BLUE HOT!

      • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

        Doesn’t a Red Kyle have to die smiting a demon on the mountaintop before he can be a White Kyle?

        • Steven K.

          Could be, if he’s an “angelic-type” being – like the Maiar. At least I’ve always though of the Maiar being analogous to such – they might be able to incarnate, and that physical body might be harmed, but their true nature is undying and eternal, though that spirit may become tired and weary and may need to seek rest from time to time. Olorin is a good example. With the hypothesis that Kyle may have seraph-derived powers, this supposition sort of fits into that discussion.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            I clearly haven’t read the Silmarillion recently enough, I actually had to go Google that. It does appear the Maiar represent an angelic type of being, so I suppose a statement made in jest may turn out to be closer to the mark than I’d supposed.

            If Kyle’s powers are seraph-derived, this face-to-face with a demon may prove very interesting. This would mean Anni’s plan to bring a demon through to the mortal world hinged upon a metaphorical redemption for the demon. This has the potential for an interesting symmetry – when you consider the appearance of Anni’s act – corrupting a seraph of some sort, Anni may end up stuck in the demon’s dimension as a sort of karmic punishment, should the demon take Kyle, and the dropped key, and leave.

            This then leaves the possibility that Kyle may later be forced to redeem Anni in order to banish the demon.

      • Very well. WHITEHOT SMASH!

      • Steven K.

        Very good.

  • George’s pupil has dilated.

    Forget cable for Big Red, what about George? Day in, day out nothing but a lot of fire, burnt out landscapes, and a bored demon with big horns lumbering around.

    Then there’s an explosion and some literally smoking hot humans arrive. Some interesting negotiations occur and then kid in chains rises up to show everyone who’s the boss.

    George must be having a good ol’ time, he has a front row seat to this particular action movie.

    • Holly

      *stares at George. He stares at Kyle. I am sad*

      • B-But Holly! George will point his eyeball back to you very soon. This is a just a momentary diversion for him.

        • Holly

          We won’t be in hell anymore at the point. 🙁

          • Urrgh! I’m trying not to think about that.

          • Holly

            ditto.

      • Steven K.

        Well, Kyle is very “easy on the eyes” / easy to look at …and look at …and look at…

        • Ginger armpit staring…can’t really argue with that, Steven.

        • Adam Black

          I’m sure your college has a swim team

          • Steven K.

            MMMMM … swimmer-boys are my faves – they have the ideal physique in my opinion. Well, on second thought, they would be my faves if those that had it would let their body-fur grow out. Not that I’m into overly hairy guys (I don’t like really bear-ish or “gorilla” types) – so my all-time fave would be the “otter”-types. Guys with that build plus various patches or patterns of chest fur along with a nice treasure-trail going down the abdominal area (and of course extra-furry armpits) turn me on more than I can express. There was this scene in Artifice where Deacon is “seducing” Jeff for that first time and comments on how he finds the patterns (or randomness) of the body-hairs fascinating. I shared a little “moment” with the mind of Alex there – I’ve always found guys with interesting patterns of chest and torso hair extremely sexy – from those guys with a little patch between their pecs or around their nips to the guys with the inverted triangle or V-shaped pattern from the base of the neck and across upper chest down to the middle between their pecs to the guy with a nice band across the chest then leading down the middle in a nice thick trail – I can get off in seconds just looking at guys like that. So maybe gymnast-boys (and many diver-boys) are my real faves – they have similar bodies but don’t feel the need to shave what they have.

    • Klaus

      We have seen only one small part of what may or may not be an entire world. Who says Laampros is alone here?

      • True enough! But from what Laampy says, it still sounds like a place where not much happens.

    • I’m thinking George is projecting this little bit of fun on a big screen in some arena where all the other demons/what have you are gathered.

      • Jakk Anthony Guzman

        Like pay-per-view?

        • Yup. Although I’m not certain their currency so it could just be free

          • Holly

            SOULS!

          • Their own or maybe their buddies?

          • Holly

            Denizens. Not demons. Demons don’t have souls silly billy

          • Right right. Others besides demons and George live there?

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Some half demons have souls, don’t they? Maybe they gamble the half demon souls?

          • That’s a good question.

          • Holly

            I feel like mortal souls

          • Holly

            People who got sent to hell?

          • But is this hell or is this just a hell-like dimension?

          • Holly

            SOULS THAT GOT SOLD!

          • Or stolen on the blackmarket. Like kidneys.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Oh jeez, now I have a mental image of my half demon cleric sticking someone in a bathtub and extracting a soul the only way he knows how – kill it.

          • Someone has to do it.

          • Holly

            As an android, I know precisely how to remove the human soul.

            ….My creator was a very odd person when you think of my abilities…

          • Indeed.

          • Holly

            Speaking of, Muffins?!

          • *hands over basket* Macadamia nuts and bolts, right?

          • Holly

            I like other things… *consumes all and then makes the basket a bonnet* HEHE SILLY

          • So any requests for next time?

          • Holly

            I duno

          • Whiskey Marble Muffins?

          • with Nutella

          • Frosting

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Don’t forget the Harknesses!

          • Holly

            You mean it’s got marble in it, or it’s marbled?

          • Ummmm… if you can eat marble then sure.

          • Holly

            I cannot process rocks of anything kind.

          • Even if it’s ground to flour? Otherwise, it’s just marbled.

          • Holly

            Marbled with what? Whiskey and?

          • Chocolate of course.

          • Holly

            *opens food processing unit*

          • lol. In one of the stories I’m working on that’s the woman’s specialty when she bakes. Whiskey Marbled muffins. Although I don’t call it whiskey.

          • Holly

            O_o

          • Well whiskey marble not marbled. It’s on another world, so I called it something else similar to whiskey

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Yep, then make a deal with the vampire in the room for the blood, and the necromancer for the body, then get banished back to his home plane in the nth level of hell so he can carry the soul back. Fun times.

          • Sounds rather complicated. But at least nothing goes to waste.

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            Exactly, Toman the Eco-friendly demon at your service.

          • And best of all, no evidence.

          • Holly

            That body you sold me was DEFECTIVE!

          • No refunds.

          • Holly

            I’ll refund your face!

          • AJ SMASH

          • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

            lol, go ahead, the devils in the Blood War rearrange Toman’s face on a near daily basis.

          • Can you resell a soul? Second hand souls? Is there such a thing?

          • Holly

            Well no. Copper. You sell the raw material and that is made into currency

          • So how much currency does one soul make?

          • Holly

            Good man’s soul? Or an evil man’s soul?

          • Both of course.

          • Holly

            Good man’s soul makes 20 credits.Evil makes 2. He’s ten times the man you were!

          • HA!

          • Adam Black

            depends on the quality of the bean, of course.

          • HA! And if it’s cinnamon or city roast.

          • Adam Black

            maybe Laampros’s Earth form is a civet

          • That’s some big bucks yo.

          • Adam Black

            some places are making imitation with enzymes and acid wash.

            Perhaps its time to take your business up a level.

          • I don’t think the bucks are in pleather.

          • Adam Black

            OK, That riffernce bounced off of me

          • Oops. Meaning no money in the imitation. At least I wouldn’t think. I think people drink that because it’s been through the civet.

            Of course the people that won’t drink it because it’s been through a civet might then drink it…. Hmmm

          • Adam Black

            Supposedly its the delicate flavor it imparts to the bean.
            Even most civet coffee sold is partly artificial due to the cost.

          • And the poor civets are being farmed. 😐

            Artificial it is.

          • Adam Black

            just get some Rennet, HCL a dash of civet musk and try and make your own.

          • Well now, that just seems so simple.

          • Steven K.

            One first thinks of coffee, but I was also wondering – bean, as in noggin?

          • Steven K.

            Some do seem to be rather over-used and raggedy.

          • Adam Black

            It’s partially hydrogenated, individually sliced, genuine imitation hell-like, dimensionlly processed , afterlife

          • With red #40 and yellow #5

          • Adam Black

            is that the one made from bugs?

          • Not certain, but I was pleased to see it didn’t carry the natural flavor (faux vanilla flavor) from a beaver’s butt.

            True story

          • Adam Black

            um, is that a thing?

          • Adam Black

            on fake holliday M&ms

            Confectioners glaze = beetles

          • How yummy! That and corn syrup, how can they go wrong?

          • Adam Black

            o, they will find a way

          • LOL. We live in hope.

          • I await with bated breath…

            Of course, I’m surprised I can find anything to eat anymore.

          • Adam Black

            I hear beaver ass is yummy

          • and aromatic. But I’ve never been too fond of vanilla.

          • Adam Black

            They milk civets asscheese, too.

          • I’m never eating again.

          • Adam Black

            do you normally eat perfume?

          • Well lucky me, no. Dammit, that could be in my conditioner.

          • Adam Black

            could be

          • *grumble*

          • Adam Black

            i wonder what the old OEnglish bait was, that started that phrase

          • Adam Black

            In Boston we call that Asthma

          • Touché. I suppose instead I should say that I won’t hold my breath.

          • Adam Black

            then your Slang-Speare has indeed, abated

          • Alas I knew him not so well.

          • Adam Black

            He hath borne me on his back a thousand times;

            http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AlasPoorYorick
            ( and *YOU* refused to look up proust–yet

          • Apparently I have not. But is there good reason I should besides Future Kyle coming from the past to kick present Duncan’s butt?

            Cause you know I don’t want to break my brain. It’s fragile you know.

          • Adam Black

            …it all starts with a muffin

          • It always does.

          • Steven K.

            Though I think that’s more like “Back to the Future” than “A la recherche du temps perdu”.

          • Steven K.

            Except that Hamlet never says “I knew him WELL”. Rather: “I knew him, Horatio, a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy” (as you would seem to know, giving the next line and all).

          • Steven K.

            Ah, Proust!

          • Steven K.

            I like that.

          • Adam Black

            I thought you would.

            ( I did a search on Google Earth and suspect the Central Michigan Mattachine Club for Granny Lesbians, —-that I think you were telling me about, that doesn’t even know its Wagner from its Gary Wagner ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP1EfSMKV-I ) —-is called “Hellveeta” )

          • keep frozen and the use within three days of breaking the seal.

          • Adam Black

            In case genuine imitation hell-like, dimensionlly processed , afterlife leaks out of package
            Do Not stop to twitter.

          • wise

          • Steven K.

            Although – there is the talk of Laampros taking souls, which would be consistent with a popular conception of the ruler of Hell. However, the wording indicates that he eats/consumes/devours souls – which would not be quite as consistent.

      • Back of his eyeball is the giant IMAX screen in demon land? Do they wear 3D glasses?

        • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

          Probably not, doesn’t a 3D film get filmed by two side by side cameras? George is a single lens.

        • Ooooh. In 3D would be awesome.

  • jreed3842

    Fuck yeah! Get it, Kyle! You show him who’s boss!
    I like Laampros’ look… to me he almost seems… amused!
    This is getting super exciting! I cannot wait for the next page!!!

    • Klaus

      There is one way to get it faster, you know. Just $153,40 short right now.

  • Katie Chambers

    YEAH! Go Kyle go! Go Kyle go! Save the world and then fuck Anni over again!

  • Jakk Anthony Guzman

    Hmmm, I’m beginning to think that when Duncan told Kyle that “his silence would very likely keep him alive” was probably another lie too. Maybe a way to justify to Kyle later that he did it to keep him safe, and pretend that he cared.

    • Well Duncan might have believed it would keep Kyle alive if he didn’t know exactly what would happen. Or if all he or PP read about Laampros was that he was a blood thirsty malicious brute…

    • I wish I knew.

  • Holly

    Okay it’s 4am. Should i call it a night?!

    • Most likely, though I hate to see the fun end

      • Holly

        mmm yes true

        • But at the same time I’d hate to keep you awake if you’re tired. 🙂

          • Holly

            Yes plus I have to try to call back about an interview tomorrow. 😀

          • Oh yes. Get some sleep. You want a refreshed brain for that call.

          • Holly

            NIGHT

          • Night!

  • Not to be an ass or nothin, but I think Kyle’s also mighty angry he only has one leg. THIS WAS NOT PART OF THE DEMONIC DEAL.

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      Yeah, I noticed that in two of the panels.

      • Steven K.

        Interesting – in all the panels that show Kyle, only one leg is drawn in – I suppose we could assume the other is swathed in flames – like his pvts. (Cuz I know that, even though we never see his peener, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have one.) 😉

  • Rock on! This is just kick ass. I wonder if Anni’s going to heal? And what’s up with the Kyle’s hyper-powers? Maybe the spell strengthened him in certain ways. So excited!

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      Most likely he’s drawing fire energy from that dimension.

      • Steven K.

        It would make a lot of sense if that is the case.

  • Maria White

    I’m sorry for this:

    *Puts on rhinestone jacket, leather pants, and grabs microphone*
    Come on baby light my fire
    Come on baby light my fire
    Try to set the night on, fire
    The time to hesitate is through
    No time to wallow in the mire
    Try now we can only lose
    And our love become a funeral pyre

  • Saikkusukka

    HA! Serves you right for trying to trade most of the Earth to the most evil guy ever in excistence! BURN him Kyle!
    So, does Kyle get to shame both of them and then go on a rampage? Is he strong enough to remain there, and if not, does it close the portal and fling our guys back home? Or does the chain-snapping close it? Will Kyle go nuts back on Earth? Or do they get to go back to Earth at all? Does Anni’s burn scar? I sure hope so! Even though I still do have a soft spot for him… >:|

    I can’t handle how tight a grip this comic has of me, I always get giddy on Wednesdays and Saturdays! c:

    • Saikkusukka

      Oh, and also, will Laampros grab that sphere with the key in it? ._. Go get it back Anni!

  • december

    UNEXPECTED…
    Go Kyle!

  • Xeferial

    WOO! I actually cheered outloud for Kyle! You give that hellspawn what’s coming to him! Oh, and Laampros too!

  • vessto

    Go, Kyle, go!!! (ノ^∇^)

    And Mr. L don’t seem even a bit upset, he even is having fun as I see on panel 1…

    The only one who’s in a trouble now is Anni. His try to make a new spell failed.

    Next page will be superb, I know!

    • Denise Cruz

      I also think Laampy’s looking like having fun!
      Oh! I wouldn’t want to be in Anni’s shoes right now… Especially not if he kind of hope to be able to protect Kyle, someway or even less if he feels something for the boy… lol Poor guy! He’s in trouble! lol

  • Thanatopia

    Okay, that’s probably not good news for Anni. Especially since it looks like he’s not QUITE as flame-proof as he’d thought…

  • Becky

    Woah, those flames really left a mark!

  • Fakesubmite

    Sweet Kyle is letting Anni know he’s not victim, can’t wait until he’s completely free.
    Run Anni run 🙂

  • amanda

    that’s is soo cool. kyle is ssssoooooo pissed!! but who wouldn’t be!!?

  • purplefoxglove

    Yes, yes, yes!!! I’ve been wondering about Kyle being able to turn and lift his head during the last few pages, but thought those might be involuntary movements…just like his facial expressions. But no! Our hero seriously KICKS ASS! You rock, Kyle!
    Plus, it looks like Kyle is getting control over his powers back. How will Laampros react to this new development? Lean back and enjoy the view of Kyle mopping the floor with Duncan? Tempting, but that would waste his opportunity of world-domination. Is Kyle pissed off enough to go head-on with a demon!? Can’t… wait. Must…donate…

  • Tina

    Hey maybe my theory was right! PP casted a spell over Duncan to protect him from all the fire attacks but think Kyle was immobilised or crossing over into this realm broke that spell hence why he got burned

    • I admit, I was surprised by Duncan’s rather eclectic collection of powers…

      • rgleon9986

        Not me. He seemed like a pretty standard “tank” to me. Super strength and super durability. The super speed isn’t always a “tank” feature, but can be, with Superman’s original powers as an example: faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. Anyone can learn spells if they have the right teacher.
        He’s essentially a very intelligent, scheming version of the early superman.

      • AnSpideogDhubh .

        Duncan might have an eclectic range of powers due to collecting them, he is obviously focused on becoming stronger (I am nothing if not so very strong), so perhaps he has acquired abilities in pursuit of this goal.

  • Shasarazade

    Laampros is totally going to take advantage of this situation. But I think he’s going to take an interest in Kyle because of this. He probably doesn’t see too many people, who serve as the root to a spell, be able to not only fight against the spell itself but also fight against the person who cast the spell. I’m sure he finds all of this amusing, because even though Anni has lost control of Kyle it’s Laampros who has complete control of the situation.

    Speaking of Kyle—YAY!! Get up and kick some ass!! ^_^

  • ScorpioladyCZ

    Theory time. 🙂 What I STILL think of all this:

    I think Duncan has been a villain for most of his life, but now his remorse
    is true (remorse was only thing I really believed him when he was sweet talking Kyle) and I still think he want’s to compensate somehow for some of the bad things he did in past – but of course in the process screw over PP and screw over the big bad demon too and get his immortality out of it. No black and white, no self-lessness from Duncan, no, but maybe an age (and wisdom/altered views that sometimes comes with it) has changed him so he is able to do something good IF he gets something great out of it for himself too.

    Btw, I don’t think Anni is really that stupid to believe that a demon would
    ever LET him to keep an America continent for himself!

    I think this all must be a much bigger game and not what it seems now. There is still lot we don’t know (facts/motivations)…

    And I’d like to point out the look at Duncans face (on last page) when he
    says “something you have wanted for a very long time” – He, to me,
    looks like he HATED the demon for it, not REALLY offering it to him to enjoy it
    as the he want’s! I think Duncan would be smiling, or grinning maniacally, like
    true villain presenting good offer, if he was such a psycho! – Letting billions to suffer in big ugly red demons hands, just like that! No, to me, his face says otherwise. You know, his mouth – corners turned down, hard eyes, his gritted teeth…

    Now what do you think of this theory, dear pirates? – You know, the
    Redilator crew 😀 Yo ho, pirates life for us! (And „I’ve got a jar of
    diiirt!“)

    (PS.: I posted similar post on last page because I didn’t noticed a new
    page yet, so sorry for posting twice.)

    • I noticed Duncan’s face last page. I wasn’t certain which emotion to put to it. Either the one you said. Or “Just take the damn thing already.” Other than that, I do think there was a bigger game at play, which Kyle just lovingly threw a wrench in.

    • Steven K.

      Maybe Duncan is afraid that, given all his past bad deeds, when he passes on, his soul will end up with Laampros anyway, so he’s trying to prevent that by striking this deal with him.

  • Pashakitty

    Holy blazing balls batman! Kyle can actually hurt Duncan with his fire here!

  • Cydney Sabin

    GOODNESS GRACIOUS, GREAT BALLS OF FIRE!!

    Sorry, I had to… But seriously, I thought Anni was fireproof? Or was that just another of his lies? Hmm…

    • Xalun K

      He’s already proven himself fireproof – let’s not forget, he’s the one that made Kyle flame up in the first place. No, it’s probably more that Kyle’s channeling fire in a PLACE of fire, so it’s made him stronger. Either that or he’s in his homeworld (thus stronger). Those are the going theories, anyway. 🙂

      • Cydney Sabin

        My guesses are such: 1) Anni is fireproof like my watch is waterproof. It’s only proof against a certain degree. Any more than that, and they’re overwhelmed. 1.b.) Kyle’s anger is making his flames even stronger than even Anni can handle. 2) Anni is proof against normal fire, whereas Kyle’s fire is supernatural in origin, be it demonic, magical, angelic, psychic, etc. 3) Anni’s fire resistance somehow wore off or just doesn’t work in this world.

        But these are just my conjectures. Maybe we’ll find out more tomorrow, eh?

        • Xalun K

          I like the ‘Kyle’s fire is supernatural in origin’ theory myself. DEMON FIRE! *Muahahahahaha*

  • GO KYLE!! C’MON!!!

  • The KEY, Kyle, hit the KEY! I know how tempting it is to go for Duncan, but THE KEY!!!!

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      I agree, it’s understandable that he’s pissed with Duncan, but he has to destroy that key before Laampros picks it up and flies away with it.

      • Sargon

        I doubt the key can be destroyed that easily, it’s in a shield ball. I think if Laampros could have picked it up, he could have taken it away, so again the shield ball. But it doesn’t hurt to try!

        • Jakk Anthony Guzman

          You may be right, it might be very difficult to destroy, but he has to give it a shot anyway and find out. If he can destroy it, that would put and end to the bargain and protect Kyle’s world from a demonic invasion.

          • Sargon

            yeah but if he can, it makes the story awful short. I am kind of looking forward to a demon invasion cause I want to see more heroes from other teams and such. You know see more of the dynamics and structure of this world’s superheroes and villains.

    • grimsister21

      And then, Go fuck That demon to break the son of a bitch’s heart!

  • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

    Anyone ever notice that Kyle and Duncan are named for water?

    While Kyle means “victorious” in yiddish, it means “strait, channel, narrow” as in a body of water in scottish– in irish, it references a church through “kel”. It seems to carry his possible seraph theme in buckets.

    Duncan means “dark warrior” in scottish but combined with Wells— “Dark Warrior of the Well”. It also becomes a funny pun about Macbeth when you consider Orson Welles played him… and Macbeth kills Duncan at the urging of his wife. What if that’s more than a pun– it’s a clue? What if Sircea somehow manipulated Duncan into destroying part of himself (even carries with Odysseus, in that Circe manipulates, seduces and ultimate is the agent who destroys Odysseus through her son) that he is now in the process of recovering? Going back to the seraph– one of their powers is to grant absolution with a kiss. Kyle might be his turning point.

    With them both being “water”, they may have a deeper connection than any romance.

    Just spinning my wheels *whistles and strolls away*…

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      I was thinking, if Kyle is something like a seraph might he turn into something like a fire dragon?

      • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

        Possible. They are dragons/serpents made of poison and fire in one form.

    • AnSpideogDhubh .

      In case anybody finds this interesting, Duncan comes from Donnchadha, a combination of Donn meaning “brown/brown haired” and Catha meaning “of battle”. Donn can also mean Lord, although we don’t use it in that sense any more. So overall the meaning would be “Brown haired warrior” . Unfortunately about seven Gaelic names became the English language Duncan, so this is only one of them, although the most common.

      • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

        Very cool. Donn is also mentioned in the baby name book (a certain ex-girlfriend left at my home) as having the meaning “tanned” and “dark”– is that erroneous?

        • AnSpideogDhubh .

          They are archaic meanings, but certainly not erroneous. “Donn” really means any colour from light brown to burned orange/tanned brown. Applied to a person colour always refers to hair or the colour of their clothes. Many people learning Gaelic have often said “Duine Dubh”, literally “Black person” to me, when referring to African people, where as it actually refers to somebody with black hair. People of African descent are actually “Duine gorm” = “blue people”, due to the bright blue clothing used in parts of Africa.

          • SofiaT

            Thanks for the explanation. I find stuff like that fascinating!

          • moi aussi

          • Steven K.

            Also as in “The Dun Cow”.

        • Steven K.

          Hmmmm – bad sign that (what turned out to be) your EX-gf left the baby-name book at YOUR place. (Unless you were planning on having a child with someone you ultimately ended up splitting with, but still not the best circumstance once the break-up happens).

      • Steven K.

        Well, the Italians are still very familiar with “Donn/Don” as a title in the way you mention. Don Giovanni, Don Pasquale, Don Juan, Don Carlo (a few famous ones from the world of opera).

    • spin Sonny, spin.

    • Steven K.

      All very interesting, but, um…do I dare drag out that word again…B-A-R-O-Q ……well, a lot of fragile bits and pieces, very complex, lots of suppositions hinging upon one another with each having less than the internal support they would need to sustain the whole, etc. (perhaps a better version of what I mean to imply). However, I think you have given a lot of cogent evidence for the seraph hypothesis, and I love the idea in the last two lines of your second paragraph.

  • bandanajack

    don’t piss off the ginger…

    • Denise Cruz

      OH, come on! You know we all love seeing a ginger pissed off! lol Especially THIS ginger!! 😀

      • Gaz Hawkins

        Especially if said ginger is naked… and forgets he is naked and fights 😉

        • ShaedowDancer

          All my yes.

          If purely for the artists getting -very- creative with conveniently placed shadows and flaming bits.

        • Denise Cruz

          Indeed! lol
          Do you think would agree to help Laampros bringing Anni down, if the big red made ​​some nice agreement (over the world) with him?

          • I have absolutely no idea what Laampros really wants or who he supports in this moment.

          • Adam Black

            Isn’t it obvious?
            He just wants a hug

          • Yep… good for what ails you…

          • Guest

            maybe not for leprosy tho

          • Denise Cruz

            I believe he only supports himself, but, it would be insane if he just decided to turn against Duncan and used the boy for it, the same way the older guy did before, to get to him. It would be quite ironic and even kind of funny. Except for the horrible situation that Kyle would be in…

  • TwoWayStar

    What was that about being fireproof?

    I think Kyle is just like a Ponyta. You were protected from his fire unTIL YOU PROVED YOURSELF WITH THE ULTIMATE BETRAYAL UNWORTHY ALL FIRE WILL NOW BURN YOU ANNI!!111!

    • stickfigurefairytales

      What’s that? Your Kyle is EVOLVING!

    • Adam Black

      Duncan was burned once before

      • missed it… where? thanks.

        • Adam Black

          the first explosion in Chinatown

          • TheManBehindTheCurtain

            I never got the impression he got burned, his reaction to the explosion seems more to indicate his surprise at how powerful the explosion was. There didn’t seem to be any sign he was hurt, just his clothes looked damaged.

          • Adam Black

            you may want to reread. He had some kind of damage that had to heal. Kyle wants to take him to a Hospital

          • Duncan got nailed by Tweedle-swordsman’s sword.

          • Adam Black

            whoa, what a filthy mouth you have tonight.

            ( well, it IS a Saturday I supposes. OK go to town )

          • Ha! Well my fingers seem to be rather talented today.

          • Adam Black

            Don;t tell me, tell Craigslist

          • I have no doubt the good Admiral is good for many more wonderful things than just delicious baked good. *grins*

          • Adam Black

            What?
            No one mentioned these hot from the oven goodies to me.

            These jokes don’t come free you know.

          • Have a muffin!

          • Adam Black

            what kind?

          • Whiskey marble? Or cranberry orange.

          • Steven K.

            Where have you been for the last (uncountable number of) camping sessions, sweetie? Even most of the “non-regulars” know that AJ has another hat in addition to the military one – her crown as the Muffin Queen.

          • Awww… I think.

          • No, embrace it. It’s good to be multi-talented.

          • Well then, have a basket of muffins!

          • Nah, just solo.

          • Adam Black

            Sean Cody?

          • *Quick to the google machine* That could be interesting to watch.

            And I just may be in over my head.

          • Steven K.

            Hmmm..”Basket of Muffins” could be a rather cute title for a porn film.

          • Steven K.

            Oooo – ka-bam.

          • Can I use ‘literally’ for Admirals post ‘case it’s kinda turning me on. 🙂

          • Adam Black

            Only if you are “literally” referring to the “Literal” word-for-word Text.

            Otherwise 2 metaphors do not cancel themselves out.

            ( That reminds me of a Yo mamma joke )

          • Steven K.

            Yes, but in that case he was hurt only because his powers had been dampened by the device.

          • Is that because his power was nulled with that little globe thingie?

          • Adam Black

            It blew in his face
            ( another visual pun )

          • HA… keep going!

          • Adam Black

            Chris, I keep telling you , man cannot survive on Bukake alaone

          • You’ve test this theorem out fully?

          • Adam Black

            well, no.
            But @Steve K. got the background for it, and if it was a workable I’m sure hed tell us

          • Steven K.

            Might be nice to try for a little while though.

          • Adam Black

            then he needed 10 mins to recover

          • Steven K.

            Dude – stop – you are gettin me all excited again. I could probably release as many times as the fellows releasing on me – depending on my turn-on level, my “recovery time” isn’t very long, esp. for an old dude like me. Maybe I have a little of Duncan (‘s powers) in me.

          • Steven K.

            YES.

  • TheGodEaters

    Hmm, I have a few things to say about these new pages.

    1. No matter what Duncan’s true intentions are in this little scenario (we already know Alex is a master of misdirection so it could be anything) it’s going to be close to impossible for Kyle to trust him again.

    2.We know Duncan was impervious to Kyle’s flame prior. I wonder if the strength of his fire is somehow linked to his emotional state. I think the only time before that he used his fire consciously on Duncan he was afraid. At least that’s what I got from that first meeting scene. This time he’s angry. Maybe that is relevant, maybe not. It was just an interesting thought I had.

    3. Wonder what Laampros thinks of this new turn of events. In the first picture he looks almost as shocked as Duncan does, so he must have some idea of what spell Duncan used to paralyze Kyle. If so, it must’ve been a doozy which makes Kyle’s ability to move and speak truly amazing.

    4. I wonder if that eyeball is supposed to be Sircea’s. I don’t remember what her eye color was or if we even knew. But I was thinking maybe she was watching over the proceedings as kind of a back up for Duncan.

    Anyway that’s all my thoughts at the moment.

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      Her eye color is a grey-green…page 21 Chapter 1

      • TheGodEaters

        Ah, thanks. I suppose it’s just a random pervy eyeball then, heh

    • Steven K.

      Good comments!

  • Denise Cruz

    Was I the only one thinking that the way that Duncan tried ‘pushing’ Kyle back on the bed looked almost … ‘protector’?!

    (Yes! I’m probably crazy! And helpless! lol)

    • rgleon9986

      It looked more more to me like he was preparing another spell. That’s exactly where he put his hand before.

      • Denise Cruz

        Yeah! It looked like that, too! But, why?! He was giving Laampros the key, already… Once the big red have it, It wouldn’t be such a necessary thing. At least, he still wanted to protect the kid, someway… Maybe to take him home with him?! Or to be able to use him as a gateway back?! O.o

        • Steven K.

          Yes, I think.

      • Steven K.

        Yes – sorry – hadn’t noticed your comment when I said so above.

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      I had that same feeling too, but it’s difficult to say why Duncan does the things he does at this time .He may be trying to protect Kyle just because he needs him to get back and not because he really cares that much for him.

      • Denise Cruz

        I thought about it too!

        Will we, at some point, be able to understand at least one of the attitudes of Anni, at any time?!
        I don’t think so! lol Well, that’s the magic of Alex, isn’t?! 😉

        • Jakk Anthony Guzman

          I think that Duncan is very intelligent, cunning and manipulative. I don’t think that he is the type to close any doors if he doesn’t have to. In Kyle’s case, he may have plans to keep using him in the future, so he’ll be as nice as he can. And even if he doesn’t, he gains nothing by being unnecessarily nasty to Kyle. He may also have some genuine affection for him and doesn’t want to hurt him any more than he has to.
          I don’t see Kyle ever trusting him again after the betrayal and cruel way Duncan used him. A love relationship between the two seems impossible now.

          • Denise Cruz

            Agreed!

            Kyle is very young, so this betrayal will be like the first love or the first kiss for everyone else: always a mark! (It’s even worse, because his first kiss was actually with this same guy who betrayed him!)

            I also believe he won’t be able to trust Anni anymore. Not right now, not for a while. But, with some time and real changes and efforts from our hot grayhaired guy, maybe in the future they can overcome this and be great together.
            I still hope it doesn’t take soooo long, although!
            ( Like I said: helpless and crazy! lol)

          • Steven K.

            That would be more of a miracle, but not a totally unwelcomed one.

          • Steven K.

            That would seem true to me as well, but still so very sad! *Sigh!*

      • Duncan is one ambiguous character. He could absolutely do anything. He makes me nervous, because I keep preparing for him to break my heart again. *sigh*

      • Steven K.

        Yes – and like I said, I think he was trying to re-apply the spell in that gesture to possibly insure his “transportation” back would be ok.

    • Steven K.

      COULD be, but my first and continuing thought is that he was attempting to “re-apply” the spell, since that is the area that he touched Kyle when he incanted the spell.

      • Denise Cruz

        It was my second thought!
        But, Kyle didn’t give him any chance… doesn’t matter what he wanted to do!
        Now, I’m wondering: which one of them is in worse situation?..

  • Preludetoa

    S-C-O-R-N-E-D! What does that spell? PISSED!

  • Livia

    Well Anni wanted immortality with prefect health but he didn’t say he wanted to keep his power as well. Hahaha

  • Simba Hutchison

    I seriously am excited to see what Laampy’s reaction is. He may be some kind of demon and wants to nom on billions of souls, but he has a wicked sense of humor that I appreciate, and seems really curious about Kyle and whatever it is that gives him his power. Even dastardly villains don’t destroy things that pique their interest right away…

  • Amy

    Badass Kyle! Go, Kyle! Do the same to his hair!!! xD

  • Kalynn Osburn

    YES! OH YES KYLE!!! *cheers* Okay so i love Duncan, but he friggin deserves this!

  • Bryan Axson

    Go sexy naked Kyle!!!

  • Tragically_Unhip

    Look out, Annihilator — Kyle’s pissed.

  • Wohoo! I get my birthday bonus page 😀

    I never doubted you for a seco-.. well maybe ONE second when I saw the amount yesterday, but I knew it would surely happen. Thank you to those who donated for a page on wednesday. Right now, having about $12 in cash until thursday made me unable to.

    Now my day will be starting with camping for one hell of a page, and I get to have fun with you guys <3

    • Niggle

      Happy Birthday!

      • Not until wednesday 🙂

        • Niggle

          lol, I didn’t read very closely. XD Well, I get to be the first to wish you a happy birthday then.

        • Noooo. Birthday WEEK! 🙂

    • I was able to help this week, so have a wonder birthday page D-Wolf. I hope Kyle continues to toast them for your birthday! Sure redemption… but first… Butt kicking!! Yayyyy.

      • Sapfo

        That´s the right way too end October, with a bonus page ^_^

    • Sapfo

      I am kind of envy’s of you right now. Why do you get two and I only get one 🙁
      Well don’t you worry, I get your virgins from you. Oh I mean for you 😉

      • We’ll be campng in your b-day too That one is a sure one 🙂

        • Sapfo

          Yes it is ^_~

    • Adam Black

      haPPY b-DAY

    • Happy Birthday, Danish!

    • with your cool avatar you should start every post with a “Wohoo!”

      • *LOL*.. I feel kinda slow now for never realizing that little pun-option.

    • Denise Cruz

      Happy (early) Birthday, beautiful!!
      Lets hope your page is a freaking damn one! 😀

  • Lady_Hiroko

    From the other comments: He said that he (Kyle) shouldn’t be able to move. So that would make sense to put that spell on him again rather than protect him (at least out of good will–more like a ticket home). I feel bad for Kyle but at the same time, I’m routing for the bad guys. Lets face it, the good guys
    always winning makes it a lame story.

    Call me cruel, but I’m anxious to see Kyle squirm a little more if only to draw out some idea of Anni’s plans. We know his ultimate goal. But we don’t quite know justhow far he’ll go.

    I’m still trying to decide whether Anni’s a truly evil guy or some kind of anti-hero. Kinda like Jack Sparrow from PotC. He was selfish and was willing to sacrifice his best friend until the “good” got the best of him and did the “right thing”. Only Alex and his team knows the character’s true motives. XD

  • KiannaLeigh

    So much awesome, so few words to express it.

  • silibub

    Whoa, Kyle uses the ominous magic font when he yells “Bastard!” and smacks Duncan away – I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he burns Duncan in the process. Maybe Kyle’s tapping into some magical/demonic source of power – “hellfire”? – either because that’s always been a hidden aspect of his abilities, or he’s angry and emotional enough to warp Duncan’s spell. Very cool, and I’m so relieved we get the bonus page Wednesday!

    • Steven K.

      THIS is a very important speculation – has been mentioned earlier, but nice summation here (including the font being similar to that of the spell providing some evidence to support that speculation).

  • coyoteconscious

    If Kyle sets fire to hell, I am going to be soooooo happy!

    • Valja

      Now, THAT would be very interesting and picturesque.

    • TheManBehindTheCurtain

      It would be more epic if he put out all the fires.

      • Steven K.

        HA! Yes – his do-gooding nature – putting out all the fires in Hell, not thinking it through all the way that those flames are there to help the bad/evil people/souls suffer.

  • Nate

    Yay! Kyle is free!

    Told you he can take care of Duncan’s hair. 🙂

    • Nate

      Oh, and is it just me, or does Lampy have a happy look on his face?

      Almost a “that’s my boy!” expression….

      • He’s got sort of a hesitant kind of smile. Like he’s torn between thinking “Great, free entertainment! I love maggot fights!” and “This is eating into the time I planned to spend catching up on Teahouse.”

        • Nate

          I will remind you of one other detail.

          Kyle is adopted.

          http://webcomics.yaoi911.com/archive/ete-ch1-page-56/

          • Nothing has been said if Kyle was adopted or not. All we know is that he was fostered once, and his words heavily imply that family rejected him since then. And I knew what you meant – it’s already been debated several pages whether Laampy and Kyle are related or not and if that would explain the source/nature of Kyle’s powers.

          • Nate

            Point taken. Perhaps I should have said “his parentage is unknown”.

        • Nate

          *smiles*

      • jreed3842

        To me Laampy seems almost amused. He’s like “well, that’s certainly interesting. Let’s see where this goes.”

  • stickfigurefairytales

    Dude, Kyle actually burned him!

    • KryX

      I think he actually burned Duncan’s thumb to the bone.

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      Kyle needs to destroy that Sphere before Laampros grabs it, and THEN continue burning Duncan at his leisure.

      • TheManBehindTheCurtain

        Laampros stealing the sphere will do him no good. Didn’t you read the last couple pages? Even if he has it, Duncan has to get back and activate the sister key in the real world or this one is useless.

        • Jakk Anthony Guzman

          Whether Laampros has it or not, it is still very dangerous. If Duncan regains the upper hand with Kyle he can continue with the bargain. That Sphere needs to go.

        • Steven K.

          Also, if Laampros has it, he doesn’t need to offer anything in return for it in the future – and better to have one of the keys to a gateway you want to pass through than neither.

      • stickfigurefairytales

        Yes.

  • Valja

    YES!! Yeah!! Go Kyle, go get your damn revenge!!!
    I suspected Duncan’s betrayal from the very beginning (a evil hero who saves someone who tried to kill him? Mmmh someone here is being deceived…), and when it actually happened I wasn’t that surprised, but I’ve been waiting for the time when Duncan learned Kyle really IS a hero and not to be underestimated U___U
    And now he finds this out on his own skin! Duncan, being burned by a young hero! AH! I am SOOO enjoiyng this!!
    BTW, I think this is my first time commenting this comic (I wanted to catch up the latest pages, I started reading TLP not many days ago), and I got caught in it as soon as I confirmed Duncan was deceiving Kyle. Great choice of characters and story! Demons and world domination… Yum <3

  • TheManBehindTheCurtain

    I think you skipped a few pages.

  • Alan Michael Williams

    The demon will step in and subdue Kyle, so this outburst is in vain. Meanwhile, the eyeball will escape with the key-orb, and the two will fly off somewhere to be wed.

    • motordog

      Could have burned the glove AND the hand inside the glove, of course.

      • Alan Michael Williams

        Ah, well, if this is true, I think it might be good to show some transition of the glove being incinerated, because at present, it looks like an error. Just saying…

    • TheManBehindTheCurtain

      Sorry, but Kyle clearly scorched Anni’s arm and probably gave him some 3rd begree burns. Anni’s outbust and face says it all, he played with fire and got burned.
      As for Laampros, I suspect he won’t interfere or not to the full extent he could.
      Immortal demons think in terms of centuries and thousands of years. He would be better off if Kyle got back to the real world. I suspect Laampros weakened the spell on Kyle and snuck a tiny ember of his own essence into him.
      Given time and opportunity, it will leave Kyle to find another host and not be noticed. As it grows it will eventually work to open a portal back to Laampros’s dimension so he can invade the real world and claim it all, rather than having to share.
      In the mean time, Anni will be left in Laampros’s dimension and Laampros will have a good long time to experience “mortal pleasures”.

      • Jakk Anthony Guzman

        Page 38, Laampros: “And clearly you would not have the STRENGTH to remain here long”. So Duncan can’t stay behind for long and survive.

        • TheManBehindTheCurtain

          He can if Laampros wants him too.

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            Anything is possible, but is it likely? I’m thinking not. Though I would love to see Duncan spend some time there to pay for what he did to Kyle.

          • TheManBehindTheCurtain

            My thought/hope too. Who better than a demon to teach Anni a lesson about using others for ones own gain?
            Of course, Alex has the final word so we will just have to wait and see.

      • Alan Michael Williams

        So, then the glove disappeared?

        • TheManBehindTheCurtain

          Instantly incinerated.

      • Steven K.

        Well, THAT’s an intriguing hypothetical scenario.

    • SofiaT

      Judging from Duncan’s expression of pain and surprise, as well as the way he cradles his arm, I’d say that the spell incinerated the glove and burned his skin.

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      He not only burned the glove AND hand, but his ARM TOO.

  • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

    Well, I was perusing Gawker and found this:

    “The New Orleans Advocate has the fascinating story of a platinum-haired kidnapper, conman, and former Capitol Hill escort who left a trail of broken hearts and empty wallets from Dallas to New York until he was rearrested this week in New Orleans.”

    The guy looks nothing like Annhi but I started laughing when I read his description.

    http://gawker.com/glam-scam-con-artist-arrested-over-a-new-scheme-in-ne-1452696373

    • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

      10/10

  • WarGoddess

    Hey! Hey Duncan! Yeah, you! You with the face! Would you like some aloe to rub on that BURN?!!

    That’s right. Feel the searing heat of Kyle’s blazing wrath. I hope he singes every hair on that perfectly styled head. I love you so much, but me loving you doesn’t mean you don’t deserve this. XD

    • Steven K.

      🙂

  • Adam Black

    After rereading I think I understand a Mysteries on this page:

    (1) Why did Duncan immediately attend to Kyle Before handing the Key to Laampros/shaking his hand ?
    it seems prima facie a dumb move.

    (2) Where has Kyle’s increased power come from?

    I think the answer is the two spells. Kyle is still outflowing fire at full blast. This is probably not keeping the car idling, but allowing them to remain in Hellywood .
    ( yeah, I named it HELLYWOOD. somebody had to )

    So Duncan is justifiably afraid his ride is about to strand him in hell.

    The spells are not broken, Kyle just has some control over their outcomes.
    I suspect its either on a timer, or rebound effect that will snap them home.

    or maybe not

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      Good thoughts. it could also be that Duncan needs to speak another spell to activate the portal to get back. Laampros and Duncan need to protect that Sphere and Kyle needs to destroy it. And he needs to do it quickly before Laampros and Duncan can subdue him. He may not have enough time left to act. Or maybe he will, we’ll see.

      • Adam Black

        the nakaed rugby game begins

        • *chris pays attention…*

          • Adam Black

            C’mon.
            all of his Duncans clothes are about to be Annhilated…
            They are playing for TOPS with the blue football.

            I am surprised i had to spell this out for you

          • Shhh. I’m watching naked rugby.

          • Adam Black

            Lucky!

            I’ve only seen the showerup aftah

          • The encore!

          • Adam Black

            He shoots, He scores!

          • Literally?

            (I’ll keep trying and eventually the odds will be with me. *grins*)

          • *Wild applause*

          • Adam Black

            Streaker on the field

          • Woot! Run run run

          • Adam Black

            Double encore

          • Only… nice.

          • Adam Black

            Im sure seeing team after team of mud covered players slowly strip naked in the steaming shower in front of you would bore you to death.

            You seem more like the sporty type whos busy watching the ball.

          • ball(s)

          • Adam Black

            and cups

          • Protection of precious objects is important.

          • Adam Black

            OK, spit em out

          • No. Don’t want to.

          • Adam Black

            ..don’t make the ref get the cattleprod again

          • Steven K.

            Oooooh! SOTABH needs to join this discussion too.

          • Adam Black

            but its really hard for them to play that way

          • Nothing worthwhile cums easy.

          • Adam Black

            we have pills for that now

          • Those I’ll spit out….

          • Steven K.

            And the electrostimulation toys!

          • Steven K.

            Often the case. As we’ve established, I don’t mind waiting for a good pay-off.

          • Steven K.

            CD maybe – but not I – not one little itty bitty teensy tiny bit.

          • Steven K.

            I’d be thrilled with that – maybe even better – though I’d still like a long, HARD, view of all the glistening, sweat-soaked bodies – furless and furry – first, and including all that nice hairy, sweaty, intoxicating, pheromone-infused, naked armpit glory.

          • Exactly… spell away… I’m busy watching naked rugby with AM.

          • This requires concentration.

    • Saxon_Brenton

      Where has Kyle’s increased power come from?
      Time for a running summary of possibilities, then?
      * It’s the spells providing extra power as part of the gate opening ceremony.
      * It’s Laampros surrepticously feeding Kyle extra power, just to screw with Anni.
      * Kyle has always been this inherently powerful. He just hasn’t accessed it because he’s still got a psychological limitation of guilt caused by burning his sister when his powers first manifested. (This may or may not be related to whether he’s a demon/part demon/seraph/oraphim/pheonix/djinn/elemental salamander/the anthropomorphic personification of the entire freaking plane of fire/any other Wild Mass Guessing that seems even vaguely applicable)
      * Kyle has always been this situationally powerful, because of his pyrokinetic powers. This is just this first time he’s been in an environment so given over to flames that he’s had access to this much power to manipulate. His powers will settle back down when he returns to Earth because it has more balanced levels of elemental forces, but he’ll still be able to firebend large amounts of fire if he ever visits another firey hell dimension, or Musphelheim, or he gets thrown into an active volcano, or someone detonates an atomic bomb on him.
      * This is a story set in a superhero genre world, and heroes are always making awesome efforts of willpower to overcome limitations placed on them. It has nothing to do with Kyle’s powers per se, instead having everything to do with the vocation he has dedicated himself to, as his Heroes Journey heads towards him becoming one of the greatest champions.

      Any others I missed? I admit I only just got out of bed, so I may have overlooked some when I skimmed over the replies so far.

      • Nice list!

      • Klaus

        It may be that Kyle is not more powerful. Maybe Duncan is weaker here. Or maybe the environment is already as hot as Dunan can take, and a little extra harms him. As for escaping the constraints – so far partially – this may be the spell weakening for what whatever reason, rather than Kyle getting more powerful.

      • Adam Black

        yeah, coincidence.
        namely the 20 minute refractory ‘Delilah Effect’ has just expires

      • Steven K.

        This is an awesome summary!! People should mark it for later reference. (And I like the “Musphelheim” reference – we don’t get to hear all those nifty old Norse mythological names often enough).

    • Whatever it is that increased his powers (or decreased Duncan’s), he didn’t just burn Duncan, the blast actually knocked him backwards.

      • Adam Black

        Kyle “blew him away ” with his powers.
        Visual Pun #3

    • Steven K.

      Good ideas – I think that Duncan tends to Kyle, in genreal, since a moving, active, speaking Kyle may jeopardize all his plans there – the deal, his “relationship” with Laampros (how well or successfully he is relating to him), as well as the prospects for getting back “out”.

  • bronakopdin

    yes, Kyle, YES, do it more, let it all out, keep your anger rolling!
    really now Anni deserves it (for now)

  • Calahara

    I haven’t been able to see the next update till now, I had to watch meercats for hours today (study-project) and note every 30 seconds where they where. All had the tendencies to sometimes do their own thing. Aka, my head is kinda fuzzy now. So… is it correct that Kyle is being kinda really awesome right now? I wonder how long that wound will last on that stupid villain dude who’s name I forgot. He’ll burn in hell. Well, he kind of is already. Okay, the floor is moving, I think I’m better off getting some rest.

    • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

      Watching meerkats for a study project? Okay, that actually sounds kind of awesome, what are you studying?

      • Calahara

        Applied Biology and it is awesome. Until you have to observe at least 3 animals of the same kind for 8 hours while making very important notes ( in a table with all the different kind of behaviors necessary for your research (there are lots of different kinds)). Without the notes, you haven’t really done anything. Well, it’s still a lot of fun but it slurps your energy. I’m usually not hyper, but 4 hours of that kind of observation will do the trick. Easily. Those meerkats look alike, we got confused all the time.

        • Steven K.

          I’d think you’d mark/tag them, unobtrusively, to make ID easier.

          • Calahara

            If the zoo would let us, that would be great. Didn’t think of that possibility, thanks! We now recognize them by size (one is a bit heavier than the other 2) and color. Happy there are only 3 of them.

        • Sharon Kerr-Bullian

          Oooh, animal behavior observation! Maybe I’m crazy, but I kind of enjoy doing that.

          Even more so, I enjoy generational observations. I used to do that with birds when I lived in the UK, and was lucky enough to observe a male blackbird with leucism (a white tail feather and a small white cap on his head) who fledged successfully, returned, and fledged three more blackbirds with leucism (most to a greater degree than their father), one of whom also returned and bred the trait on. Our back yard was quite the hotspot for endangered birds already, so having a few oddball leucistic blackbirds just really illustrated to me how lucky I was.

          Now I’m in the USA, I observe feral cats, since the cats keep the birds away. I’ve watched and interacted with eight generations of this colony so far, so it’s turning into something a bit like an amateur version of the Kalahari Meerkat Project. Unfortunately, I may have to interfere (again) this year to save a kitten with a limb deformity – the limb isn’t a major hindrance to her, but she’s too small to make it through the winter, based on past observations, so I think her only shot at a good life is probably to be adopted as a housecat.

          • Calahara

            Never heard of the Kalahari Meerkat Project untill now ^^’ And it looks amazing. We have a bit of wild landscape with lots of dears and wild horses near the school. When one of the animals is about to… have a long struggle for his/her life, and if it’s obvious they won’t make it, the care takes of that land shoot them down. It’s actually a rule made by the government. So I think, interfering with that cat is a human thing to do. And keeping it alive is a kind choice.

  • Jakk Anthony Guzman

    I’m hoping that Kyle can keep building momentum and break free, and not be subdued by Laampros and/or Duncan. Otherwise I don’t see the point to make him struggle to get free if he’s going to be subdued and it’s not going to lead to anything.

    • Well I don’t think Duncan can do too much at this moment with that charred limb. It’s possible if the Hellywood realm (Thanks Adam) is weakening the Duncanator, his healing abilities may be stunted too

      • Adam Black

        If that Bar in Michigan doesn’t sue us,
        “Hellveeeta” is a close runner up.

        • Hellveeta… LOL! Maybe we should take precautions and just go with that.

          • Adam Black

            We gotta be careful.
            Those Granny lesbians in Central Michigan can be tuff broads. We don’t want to piss then off. They dance to pounding industrial disco and never ever to symphony.

            @Steve K.: disqus was telling me about this cultural wasteland.

          • O.O Yeah, I think extreme caution is needed

          • Adam Black

            That’s what I was thinking.

          • Wise

          • Hellveeta it is.

          • Adam Black

            obviously youve never been to Hellywood

          • Unless one considers that I live in Cali, it’s always possible that I have. Or not.

          • Adam Black

            You cant just pass through.
            The emptyness , stripmalls, hookers and hopelessness has to permeate the hole where you used to have a soul, and is now just a glare you use to scare away thieving panhandlers

          • You really should read Sandman Slim. He dives into the underbelly that is Hellywood and then actually goes back.

          • Adam Black

            I never went back

          • Congratulations, you’re sane!

          • Adam Black

            that can’t be right.
            I wound up here

          • I suppose there are degrees of sanity.

          • Adam Black

            I tried but the financial aid didnt cover it

          • Canada looks better and better everyday. I just wish it wasn’t so cold.

          • Adam Black
          • That could work. Do I have the patience to learn it.

            Although there is always this… if moving to Canada fails

            http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/oddnews/islands%E2%80%99-men-%E2%80%98import-brides%E2%80%99-to-increase-population-194111761.html?vp=1

          • Steven K.

            Toronto would be another place I could be happy in.

          • Steven K.

            “The grass is always greener” – Again. I’d still trade you a life in Boston for a life where I am anyday.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            … that is serious pain. Too bad it wasn’t something easy to replace yourself like the quills.

            When my antique electric organ (waits for laughter) shorted out I found out not only could I not get replacement tubes, but buying a new one would be cheaper than repairing the old one by a couple thousand dollars. I had to end up selling it for parts. I cried while the music store clowns were taking it away.

          • Steven K.

            Well, it should be an easy matter to put these springs and their accompanying pads on (since luckily they were not thrown out – though they would have been if I had not told the guys they can leave all the “trash” here) – it’s just that I myself in no way can detach the pedal struts from the main body of the instrument and lift it off and place it elsewhere while those parts are added and maybe the pedals adjusted – it is way too heavy for a single person, and I’m not quite sure how exactly the instrument is fastened to the stand and how it detaches.
            But nah – not laughing at all. I’m just impressed you know about the quills (plectra) of a harpsichord.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            I also know the strings pluck at one volume and mashing the keys harder does absolutely nothing but hurt the instrument and your fingers. Takes nimble, light hands to play harpsichord.

            You should sue those guys. Seriously. Sue the shit right out of them. Small claims court is your friend.

          • Adam Black

            i forgot you mentioned him

          • Good series. I’m waiting for the 5th book to come out in paperback.

            http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061714356/?&tag=ajanfanrom-20

          • LOVE THOSE BOOKS. Twisted just right.

          • He’s such a shit, it’s great. I’m not normally into first person, but these are brilliant. Have your read the fifth one?

          • Not yet… they are getting a bit random, but I like the chaos of them so I’m sure I will. Fun to be bad books.

          • But they do all sort of tie together. I loved the second book the best for some reason.

          • Steven K.

            Maybe not a cultural WASTEland, but nearly so when compared to places like Boston, Atlanta, Chicago, New York, LA, SF, Minneapolis, Portland, Denver, Miami, etc., etc. – even Detroit or Ann Arbor.

            As to those grannies – yeah – they like to put on exhibitions similar to events which have previously been televised such as the “The Battley Townswomen’s Guild Reenactment of the Battle of Pearl Harbor”.

        • Steven K.

          There is a “Hell, Michigan”. It’s very popular on Halloween, and there was a HUGE gathering there on June 6th, 2006 (I’ve never seen so many bikers in one place at a single time, but there were countless other people of all types and varieties – though maybe not so many fundamentalist Christians).
          Most of what’s there (and actually very little) is rather touristy anyway – a store, a gift-shop selling Hell-related merchandise, including lots of various T-shirts emblazoned with things such as ‘I’ve been to Hell and back!”, etc.

  • silibub

    Gah, I must be a big weenie because, as much as I find Duncan’s behavior reprehensible, I don’t like seeing him hurt. Getting burned sucks even when it’s a relatively minor thing like nudging a hot pan – Duncan’s hand and arm are actually smoking. 🙁

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      He can heal almost instantly. Kyle should burn him a few hundred times. And then some more. 😐

      • silibub

        I can understand the sentiment!

      • TheManBehindTheCurtain

        Were did it ever say he was an instant healer? Being invunerable means you should not get hurt in the first place, but not a guarantee that if you do get hurt it will heal quickly.

        • After his fight with Hunter and Killer and his powers returned to him, he said he would heal in about ten minutes-ish

          • TheManBehindTheCurtain

            Ah your right, i missed that.

          • Which can still be a problem. I don’t think he has ten minutes that he can take to heal.

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            Now you know. 😀

          • silibub

            What concerns me now is that Duncan was seriously injured while in full possession of his powers – I guess his invulnerability only extends so far, and the rapid healing compensates for that, but can he be injured to such an extent that he can’t recover like he normally would?

          • There is a theory floating about that his powers are decreasing in that realm, which could really be problem, making him the weakling he doesn’t want to be.

            But it’s also possible be that Kyle is leveling up because of his temper or because of being in a fire realm what have you. Which still puts Duncan is stormy waters without a lifejacket because he won’t have the time to heal.

          • Wayne Lunkwitz

            I would say it took a great amount of his power to open the portal, and keeping it going is draining on him…..Kyle on the other hand…..has been in a state of rest ,no drain , so the full force of his power is at it’s peak!

          • There is that possibility too. Add an angry fire superhero in a fire realm, fun time’s ahead.

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            Wayne, it seems to me that he used Kyle to open the portal, not his own power. That’s why he needed him in the first place. On page 33, he places his hand on Kyle’s chest and says another spell which makes a humongous fire/energy beam shoot out of Kyle’s body, and they are transported after that. And flames were constantly shooting out of Kyle’s extremities, probably to fuel the magic circle and keep the portal open.

          • Steven K.

            Yep! I was just saying so and agreeing with that! Kyle was and has been doing all the work!

          • Steven K.

            Ummm – State of rest?, No DRAIN??? – look at those flames that have been pouring out of him since the initiation of his orgasm and Duncan’s first spell. I’d say that’s a drain (though perhaps being constantly re-fueled by this fire-dimension). But also, he was orgasming an awful long time along with pumping out that fire (maybe he still is – I so wish Alex would give out a WoG about if/when that orgasm ended). If you have not experienced the fact that really good orgasms can often feel rather “draining”, and/or the circumstances that led up to them, then even I, with my more limited erotic experiences (relative to most guys my age) would be compelled to feel a little sorry on your behalf. In any case, I think Kyle has been doing most of the work opening and keeping the portal open, which may have been another factor keeping him unable to move much, along with the spell – his powers/strength were being sapped/transferred. Maybe now the hell-realm has been able to re-energize him, and even to a greater extent than what he had when he arrived. I think all Duncan did was to provide some stimulating friction and cast the spell, then get on with his evil speech and get dressed, then another spell and – BOOM – off to bargain with Laampros.

          • rgleon9986

            Or both: increased power with anger + currently in a realm of fire (possibly the realm from which he derives his power).

          • Or both. And Duncan is still without a lifejacket especially considering that Kyle was kinda it.

          • Adam did mention FARGO a while back, which was apropos as far as that question.

          • Adam Black

            Someone add it to the “Powers Card” question.
            What Character can survive the Full Fargo ?

          • S-o-m-e-o-n-e?

          • Adam Black

            GO, DunkHoes!

          • *whack with a newspaper*

          • Steven K.

            And that’s why there is some suspician that, if he can be hurt in the hell-dimension, it may be a clue that it is sapping some of his strength/powers, while perhaps aiding and enhancing Kyle’s.

      • Steven K.

        I appreciate your enthusiasm in that – – yeah, for someone who heals up almost instantly, might take a lot more injury and pain to make the same point.

    • Getting burned definitely sucks and that looks painful.

    • Denise Cruz

      I also don’t like it ! But, he really needed it! It probably is going to help him later…

  • Yukiness

    I know i have not commented for a while but I sincerely hope that Ahni’s burn won’t heal at all. It would make an interesting blemish on who will become the worlds next “god like” immortal.

    • Denise Cruz

      I don’t know about the not healing thing, ’cause once ( or if) Anni come back to our world, his powers will be back too. So, if we look at other early situations, he’ll quickly heal. But,

      I believe it will, at least,leave a permanent scar. Just it will already be a remarkable thing.

      Everyone else will certainly talk about it! For someone as proud as Anni, it’s gonna hurt. Besides, it will work on Anni as the betrayal and the first kiss will on Kyle: he’ll always remember about that other person because of it. How they are going to handle these memories, it’s exactly what I think it’s gonna decide their future or the absence of it

      • Jakk Anthony Guzman

        A few more scars wouldn’t hurt either, Denise So he can remember Kyle much better!. 😉

        • Denise Cruz

          You are mean! lol

          I know he deserves some good kicks in his ass, but…but…

          Oh! Come on!.. I really like the guy! What can I do?! lol (It’s so unlike me).

          Furthermore, there must be a way to make him pay enough for what he’s done and is still trying to do, without nullify all the possibilities of redemption for him, (doesn’t matter how distant and unlikely they can seem right now), and without make him look like a human barbecue, too.

          Don’t you think?!

          Come on! Work with me, here, uhn?! lol

          • Amanda

            A few scars can make a man sexy and give him character, as long as Dat Ass doesn’t get hurt I am cool with it.

          • So George is really Amanda’s eye in the sky watching Dat Ass carefully to make sure no harm comes to it???

          • Denise Cruz

            Some scars really do that, but not the ones made by fire. At least, I never saw one like this.

            I know we both agree strongly about ‘DAT ASS” ! lol We always will! But, the problem is: I also feel the same way about… well… almost every other part of him! (Yeah! I’m insane! lol)

            i’m kidding! I just don’t like seeing him being hurt, even knowing he certainly deserves it.

            Maybe he should take a beating. At least the injury would not leave scars as strange as the fire would and everyone would still be happy.
            Let Kyle do it!
            How about it?

      • rgleon9986

        I didn’t even think about the fact that it might be that Anni’s powers don’t function as well in this dimension… hmmm…

        • Denise Cruz

          Too many things going on… We always lose some thoughts about them… ^v^

      • Steven K.

        Wow – good observation.

        • Denise Cruz

          Thanks, Steven!

  • Wayne Lunkwitz

    OK …..one part anger ..two or more parts fire! Kyle is PISSED!

  • Anni is kinda screwed.

    The fact that he can be burned now means he’s at the mercy of not one, but two beings who can manipulate fire. Even if he can rapidly heal himself, what’s to stop Kyle (and Big Red for that matter) from raining a firestorm down on his silver fox head?

    Or maybe it gets worse for Anni. Maybe Kyle runs off into the barren landscape, leaving Anni at the (non-)mercy of Big Red, and taking away the only way out of this realm. So the story could be that Anni has to track down Kyle and get down on his hands and knees to beg forgiveness so they can go home. The only big decision Kyle has to decide is whether he wants to kick Anni’s ass now or later or both.

    If you think about it, they need each other. Kyle’s the way out BUT Anni is the only one who knows the “how” of getting out.

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      So many possibilities, the next two or three pages should be very interesting. Yes, Kyle is the portal and Anni is the key that opens it. 😉

      • I just keep thinking how early in the book we are………

        • Jakk Anthony Guzman

          Yeah, about 3 and half chapters left. It’s still closer to the beginning. So a lot can still happen. I’m sure that there will be lots of surprises and plot twists. But we can’t help speculating from we know at the moment. It’s fun.

        • And it’s not a “short” story. I keep expecting it to be for some reason.

          • I know what you mean, I lose track also from time to time. I’m guessing, but I think it’s that events already seem so climactic so we feel like we’re finalizing something and yet the roller coaster is still clacking its way upward… I have a nervous stomach, but I’m a romantic wuss. HA!

          • They do seem climactic as if we’re about to descend the final fall of the roller coaster. Although I would say we’ve either just crested or just started the decent of the first hill. Either way… *hands up* Weeeeeeee!

          • *Admiral’s muffins fly out of the car on the loop-de-loop*

          • *And Chris catches them as the car reaches the bottom*

          • *not a crumb lost*
            Shall we get in line and go again?

          • Yes! Over and Over. * steals muffin*

          • Sneaky AJ 🙂

          • Well considering how long the line is… *snicker*

          • I totally feel the same way about climatic feel of this chapter. I think your comments about being on the decent of the first hill is very accurate.

            But I still can’t help speculating about where this could be going.

          • And it’s a steep descent too. But yeah, I’m gonna keep speculating because we don’t know where these tracks go next. Up another hill? A straight away? A loop-de-loop? A twist!

            Yaya for roller coaster metaphors!

          • Steven K.

            I think we’ve already been through a few loops and twists already. My stomach has been queasy from it a few times – though now it’s feeling a little better with Kyle able to fight back at least a little, and the stomach-stabilizing comfort of muffins.

          • I think some of that is pre-drop jitters. There you are at the top of the first monstrous hill looking down looking down.

            As for muffins, HA!

          • Yep, it’s hard either way… which I often class as a good thing, but in this situation… less so. Heh heh heh.

          • *snicker*

  • Lady_Hiroko

    There’s a few stories where the bad guys win in the end out there (noticeably in Steven King, Edgar Allen Poe, and Lovecraft). I figured it would be something different. *shrug*

    For the escape from the chains, it was a response to all those commenting that he was protecting Kyle. I don’t know where you got the last part from….Anyway, my last paragraph was merely speculation on the future of the story. Not necessarily “right now”.

  • Hey Sonny —

    Honest question… If we hypothesize that Kyle will indeed continue to throw an irreparable wrench in Duncan’s plans over the next few pages, whatever they those plans actually were…

    Would you re-consider my long ago argument that in his arrogance, by taking away Kyle’s opportunity to consent and possibly refuse, Duncan considering himself in some form ‘knowing best’, what I was calling omniscient, such that, that it justified the force and betrayal with Kyle… Then Duncan may have caused the very failure of his plan.

    So perhaps, if he had taken the risk and given Kyle the respect and opportunity to decide for himself if he wished to participate in this plan or not, he might not be experiencing this now?

    Aside: I acknowledge that this presupposes that Duncan had a good-hearted long-term goal and not a villainous one, as that would have insured Kyle’s refusal and nullifies this whole conversation… but now Duncan seems to have done that classic time-travel trope type thing. Where in trying to prevent the future, it seems he’s caused exactly what he feared.

    Okay that’s a lot of ‘what ifs’, but I was curious to know if it might effect your previous thinking on this subject. Thanks.

    Best,
    ChrisD

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      I’m not the one you asked, but I’ll give you my thoughts anyway :). Assuming that Duncan was doing it for a good purpose, I think that he could have convinced Kyle to go along. I think Duncan could have made Kyle fall in love with him if he had wanted to. Kyle was very taken with Duncan.
      Duncan made one mistake, assuming that Kyle was weak and that he could easily manipulate and use him, and therefore not risk engendering any “good purpose” goal.
      And because Kyle was not weak and Duncan used cruel methods, it backfired on him.
      So yes, I think that Duncan did cause the failure of his plans by let’s say, his evil ways. 😀

      • Honestly it could have gone many ways and it still can, but that is pretty much what I was experiencing in THIS page. Thanks Jakk.

      • Steven K.

        I very much agree. Let’s say he had plans to go to the “hell-dimension” or “hell-plane” (we’ll assume that it IS more-or-less the “traditional” hell where evil souls end up, and Laampros is akin to the Devil/Satan – the lord, or at least a lord, of that realm, etc.) – in order to actually nullify Laampros’ future power or dominion over his own soul after he dies, and/or maybe even SEAL the gate/doorway/passage to the hell-realm. This would be personally motivated by Duncan’s own fears, if he has a traditional belief, still not so uncommon in a surprising number of folks even in our “modern” day and age, that, due to his lifetime of sinful deeds and practices (untold numbers of crimes and doing hurtful things to people – and he may still have some internalized homophobia and still thinks that being gay or engaging in gay sex is sinful), his soul is “going to Hell”, and his spirit will be forever imprisoned in eternal damnation. In order to prevent this, he needs to travel to the Hell-dimension and strike a deal with Laampros for eternal life and health, so his soul will never have to worry about being eternally damned after his demise, since he won’t have a demise. Now, at this point we still have to assume, for the sake of this conjecture, that he was able to offer Laampros something that would not negatively impact all the innocent and good denizens of the Earth-plane, and something which Kyle could agree to as well. Perhaps offering to make it more east for Laampros to gain the souls of the wicked, or to help facilitate them going to him by personally destroying them. In this way, Duncan could be furthering his actions to redeem himself by trying to make up for all his past wrongs and evils by helping to destroy the other criminals and villains and forces of evil in this world – he would be further turning to the side of GOOD. That could even further engender Kyle’s love or affection, and then they could now be a pair of (maybe somewhat rogue, given the circumstances) heroes on their own quest to save the world together, making love together and war on evil together. The other YPs and the greater hero community may not be convinced – lots of conflict – people not trusting them due to Duncan’s past (even Kyle having doubts from time to time), lots of animosity due to people’s homophobia – they might trust others, but they couldn’t possibly trust or feel good about GAY heroes – they might not even WANT to be saved by a gay hero, let alone a gay superhero COUPLE, doubts and animosity of Kyle’s friends and former team-mates toward him for getting together with the world’s arch-supervillain, their doubts because of the age difference and experience level between them, etc., etc. See – there would have been plenty of interesting story and plot-points and points of conflict even if there was never a situation where Duncan had to be TRULY evil and betray Kyle – it COULD have been a romance but still filled with lots of ups and downs (of “BOTH” kinds). Under these circumstances, Kyle may have been willing to undergo being used for transport to the hell-dimension (and get a truly pleasurable – great emotional pleasure and satisfaction as well as magically enhanced physical pleasure with a 15-minute orgasm (Duncan would have been living up to his promise of giving Kyle something that no-one else could) – by going through with it – getting a really amazing first experience and feeling ok about it due to his new-found admiration and affection for Duncan (as he is wanting to change and make up for past ills – some of which we know may have, on at least some level, been justified – and turn into a major force for good now). Kyle would also know he will be helping to prove himself ingoing through a heroic trial, for the sake of ultimate good and his love for Duncan. Duncan would promise to protect Kyle and make sure that no harm would come to him. If Kyle truly fell for Duncan because of this, he might be willing to help Duncan because Kyle would not want to see Duncan age more either, nor would he want Duncan’s eternal soul in Hell, so his feelings might motivate his decision to willingly aid him in this, despite some mis-givings. So I think Chris may be onto something theoretically – that Duncan’s betrayal cost the success of his mission, and if he had not betrayed Kyle in such a way, things could have been more successful (assuming more philanthropic goals). Here I’m just trying to flesh out a scenario of, if Duncan actually DID not betray Kyle, how things actually COULD have worked out – with Kyle’s consent – and providing a hypothetical circumstance that maybe would have actually been able to ENGENDER Kyle’s consent for being utilized in a mission he could, forgive the phrase, get behind, and that we-all could have supported as well.

        • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

          Some of this might still be possible (especially the bit about Duncan’s fears– I might even go so far as to say the realm feeds on them and reflects them), but it is definitely a “what if” worthy of chewing over.

    • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

      Yes I agree with you, but not quite the way you suggest. I didn’t disagree with that part, bringing on his failure by his over-confidence/pretending to omniscience/hubris what have you– I kinda figured that it would anyway.

      What I was more going for is that everyone assumed his intent was evil, when we really didn’t have any proof. (It struck too close to home for me.) We still don’t have any proof now. Sometimes extreme actions are “necessarily evil” (as per the cannibalism I mentioned before, eh?)- even in the real world, but it doesn’t make the intent evil. Sometimes the person has the best, most loving intent behind horrible things they do. Not everyone is strong enough to attack a problem from the front because there’s no way it would be effective coming from them– some of us have to be full of guile and attack problems from the side, from behind, with knives poised behind smiles.

      The trick is learning to take a step back and turn this off.

      I’ve seen a lot of anger at Duncan for not being honest with Kyle, and beside what I’ve already said (a mere handful of possible explanations) I will add in— perhaps Duncan was also afraid that if his feelings were out in the open and made real, then he would be rejected. Smoothness dies a quick death when real feelings get involved. The cool, calm, composed, smiling exterior becomes giddy and silly and frequently ridiculous (*raises hand* guilty). The Duncan Kyle fell for was the smooth Duncan. If he met silly Duncan, he might not want him at all…

      To the failure itself– Duncan is not Stalin. In our world, unless you’re a douchebag willing to evolve into Stalin (who maintained he was doing the best for Russia while he slaughtered millions of her people and held the living in a grip of terror– killed his friends and mentors and lovers along with his enemies, who abandoned his own child to the point that his enemies -the Nazis- pitied the abused boy and tried to prevent him from committing suicide) you aren’t going to see anything like success in the long run. This can be related directly to survival being a short term goal, to achieve space to consider long term goals. Some people never put down the short term (“SURVIVE!”) to get involved in the long term (“should I feel guilty about what I’ve done, and if I should, how do I go about not getting in that situation so I have to do it again…”)– it’s a vicious cycle where the person self-destructs, destroying anything they even guess might be a threat in the future. Unless you’re Stalin and the world is your enemy.

      So, short version, I assumed Duncan would fail, even with the best intentions (which I’m still willing to grant him until I know better). Duncan is not Stalin.

      • Jakk Anthony Guzman

        Sonny, if I may call you that, Duncan may not be intrinsically evil, but he employs evil methods which come back to bite him in the ass. There could be complex reasons why he did what he did, and maybe there was no way in hell to get Kyle’s permission and have his plan work. But by going ahead anyway and using the cruel methods that he did, he ensured his failure. Which as you say, you assumed he would fail.

        • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

          I guessed failure because this is a morality story and a parable. In the real world, short term, these audacious plans have a much higher chance of working. That’s why they become so seductive to people who employ them and that’s how hubris starts.

          Edit: Of course you can call me Sonny.

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            And I because it’s a superhero story, and they tend to rally at the very last moment. I’m enjoying your posts, they give one lots to think about. 🙂

          • Note: A couple of people have mentioned it. I didn’t come up with ‘Sonny’. sonoftheatomicbiscuithead suggested it as an alt. to our acronym of SOTOBH. I for one am grateful. 🙂

      • I do realize we were previously talking about a lot of different ethical issues, and this isn’t a slam against Duncan, since I still don’t have any idea of his uber-intentions. I was just thinking about ‘consent’ and my own personal predilection that it’s better to have, than not — if you can. And that you are at risk (clearly in this case) when you don’t place value on consent. I would imagine, in this moment, Kyle is doing what we are all doing… wondering who his real enemy is. Duncan? Laampros? Or both.

        So I was just musing that, as of this page today, Duncan is at risk because he didn’t prioritize ‘consent’ as an essential piece of his plan.

        Just suppositions since I still don’t have enough information about his plans. If he is really evil, then it may not ever have been realistic for him.

        It will be interesting to see. If Kyle is our Paladin, he will do the right thing as soon as Duncan trusts him enough to share with him what it is… I wish I felt better about that.

        Best,
        ChrisD

        • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

          I’m still of a mind there’s a reason he couldn’t get Kyle’s consent. If he intended to use Kyle mercilessly, he wouldn’t have to betray him. The betrayal sticks out as a sore thumb. It doesn’t make sense in context of what I’m seeing in Duncan. If he had no feelings about him, the wiser thing would have been to suck up to the mountain of adorable that is Kyle and tuck him firmly under his arm, so Duncan could use him whenever he wants. The very betrayal itself, the way it was handled, does not fit with the care and attention he’s paid to everything else.

          So it may not be a matter of consent, though I’ll grant you that is vitally important to most human interaction (thus, in Duncan’s plan should have been a priority). It’s just not obtainable sometimes.

          You and me both. I hope Duncan is the man I think he is.

          • Steven K.

            That is a great point you make, and something to be considered for sure (I have to admit that some of the same thoughts/feelings had been gnawing at me, but I didn’t consider them as significant enough to bring up. Hearing you put a cogent voice to them makes me think that perhaps there is something to that after all. See a couple posts I made above for my take on if there had been more consent in the situation, and some hypothetical non-evil ideas on why Duncan may have had such plans and his motivations.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            I did. They’re very interesting.

        • Steven K.

          See my reply to Jakk above (which was also sort of a reply to the question you threw out to Sonny just above Jakk’s response) for a bit of my take on this.

    • Klaus

      Duncan is working for the greater good. And to Duncan, the greater good means what is good for him.

      • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

        That definition makes him uncomplex though. That’s a very standard 2d villain excuse, and we know Alex likes complex villains.— Though I’m sure that Duncan includes his own survival high in his priorities, he’s not a Stalin.

  • Johndar

    GO KYLE, GO! YEAH!

  • Kyle doesn’t seem surprised that he actually injured Duncan, he just looks ready to hit him again.

    • Thank you Kyle may I have another! LOL.

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      I certainly hope so, and again, and again, and… 😀 I just wonder what Laampros is going to do about it.

      • Well considering he looks like he’s about to bust out laughing…

        • Denise Cruz

          True! It’s almost as fun as his face on previous page, when he accepted Duncan’s deal. That panel was hilarious! LOL

          • The first panel on this page, Laampy’s face as Duncan’s turning away right. He looks like he has something to say.

          • Denise Cruz

            Yeah! It got my attention, too! He seems surprised, admired and a little bit amused.

            I wonder how much fun he’s having seeing Duncan’s unrest about that kid. Even more, when he got burned by him. A very unique sight for Laampy, I could bet!

          • Wednesday cannot come soon enough!

          • Denise Cruz

            It never comes! You know! lol

            Hey! Do you think Anni’s ‘creation’ was inspired by some real person?
            I’ve been thinking about it, lately, and I got so curious about it! 🙂
            We don’t even know for sure if Alex told Adam how he would like the character or if Adam ‘created’ him by himself.
            Well, not only Anni, but he’s my favorite character, so… lol

          • Waiting for the Wednesday comic is the worst. So many more days. Ha!

            I would think that Alex told Adam the type of character he wanted for Anni (and the others), that he was an older villain, an indestructible one, etc. and then let Adam loose. Probably drew several prototypes for Alex. At least I think that’s what happened.

          • Denise Cruz

            It probably was amazing! Choosing the drawings! ^v^
            True! We need to find out a way to circumvent Sunday, Monday and Tuesday. Maybe Anni can help us with it! hehehe

          • So the week only consists of Wednesday and Saturday? 😀

          • Denise Cruz

            Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday! (Not necessarily in this same sequence.) That’s enough! XD
            But, of course, if you prefer not having Thursdays and Fridays, I would never get a fight with such a great person, just to keep them! lol

          • LOL! I’m good with whatever. 😀

          • Denise Cruz

            Great! I’ll try to reach Anni and ask him my key back. So we can make some good changes!
            How about a river composed entirely of ointment polishing horns?! (It may also be pretty good for wounds and burns! lol)

          • Ointment polishing horns?

          • Denise Cruz

            Well, something to let that red thing happy and distracted enough to get that key back! Just a little creme… smells better than ‘Hellywood’! 🙂

          • Right, haha. Horn polishing cream. That should do the trick. Kresley Cole (romance novelist) has all types of demons in her books and they love their horns being fondled. So I don’t see how Big Red would be an different. XD

          • Denise Cruz

            Just a little thing to make that huge thing happy and distracted enough, so we can get our key back?! 😛
            With such huge horns, he certainly needs it! He would like it! A lot! I’m sure! lol

          • Haha! Indeed

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            Yeah, one extra day to wait from Sat. to Wed. I’m hoping that the next two or three pages deal with Kyle kicking Duncan’s ass. 😀

          • I always get screwed up on the Saturday comic because it’s posted on Friday night (for me), but then I have to remind myself the following morning is Sat. and so the wait is made that much worse. For some reason I don’t have as much trouble after the Wednesday one. 😐

            Whatever happens the next couple pages, I’m thinking its going to be a huge clusterf*uck.

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      I’m wondering what’s going to happen if Kyle breaks free and the magic circle is broken. How are they going to get back? Kyle will have to agree to work with Duncan for it to happen. Will they need to have sex again to get back?

      • Dunno about the sex part, but I think it would be interesting if they had to work together to escape the situation. Duncan could use a lesson in team work.

      • This kinda touches on my wonderings from a few hours ago about how Kyle and Duncan need each other to get back (where you said Kyle was the Portal and Duncan the Key) BUT I hadn’t thought of the idea that they might need to have sex again, or rather thingy mushing.

        Didn’t Duncan say in order for the spell to work Kyle had to trust him completely and believe that he has his best interests at heart? How is Duncan going to do that with this clumsy betrayal?! VERY interesting.

        • I think the binding part of the spell is what Duncan needed the absolute trust for.

          • Steven K.

            Not sure he’ll get Kyle to easily go for it of his own volition, without the magical bonds, especially if it does indeed need the force of another magically-enhanced and sexual-energy powered and fire-energy powered super-orgasm-portal-opening and magically powered transdimensional combustion-teleportation sort of thing. I don’t think Kyle is going to want to get all physical in a feel-good way with Duncan anytime soon, nor would his new emotions concerning Duncan and the betrayal (and bringing him into this dimension to be ogled and fondled by Laampros, and hearing of his evil plans, etc.) put Kyle into a proper headspace to be able to (or even wish to) reach a point of climax with Duncan again in order to power that whole process again in the reverse. HMMMM – reverse – maybe if it took trust and intense pleasure to pass through one way, maybe it may require pain and mis-trust to get back out? If THAT’s the case, we have plenty of that now in Kyle. Wouldn’t that be interesting if such were the case – then, knowing this, Duncan would have HAD to betray Kyle in that way (at least his words implying such) – engendering the needed trust and pleasure in Kyle to get in – just up to the moment of orgasm, then the spell – then the betrayal speech in order to insure that, for the return trip, Kyle is going to have enough emotional (and maybe also physical – perhaps from orgasming that long) pain, rage and mistrust in order to get back. (Another tiny hypothetical morsel to support the floatation of all those sinking Redilator passengers). Maybe instead of having to have sex to get back, they have to have a super-heated battle full of rage and painful injuries and enmity (“wall of blood and pain”, from Laampros’ side) then Duncan recites another incantation, and “KA-POOF/BOOM” – they are back, and Duncan explains it all to Kyle.

          • Shella_Bluey

            Wow, that’s a very interesting thought.

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            Yes, very interesting Steven. I like it! 😀
            But Duncan is not going to want to leave without what he came for. He may never get another crack at it again. It would be best if Kyle destroyed the Key, that would put and end to the bargain…can’t do it without it. And if Duncan has to recite a spell, then he would since he no longer has a choice.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Imagine with me if you will…
            If Kyle uses his power on the key, and the key is a trap, he might get caught by Plats instead of Laampy. Dunks would probably get sucked out too– since he’s part of the spell that brought them there– and tossed at Plats’ feet. Cue gloating. This was her plan all along. Now Duncan is ruined and she has the boy, all awakened and angry and ready to have his power siphoned off…

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            There are so many possibilities that it makes my head spin. But if Duncan is somehow doing this for a greater good then PP is probably part of it. He can’t be working alone while she’s doing other stuff. Plus I get the feeling from their relationship that they know each other very well. But who knows?

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Oh, I’m sure she’s part of the plan– but reading her dialogue in the alley and Kyle’s reaction to her, makes me more suspicious of her than Duncan.

            Plus “Circe”, our Sircea.

            Odysseus was a well-intentioned extremist; if he burned you to death, stole from you, or knifed you in the back it was all in service of something greater than himself. There’s a curious humility that goes along with his hubris of believing only he can save the day– he could have chosen any name as his alias, for example, but he picked “Nemo” — “No one”. Sometimes that can even mean “I am nothing”. Add to that, one the potential translations of Odysseus is more or less “He is trash (or shit)” and you have all the makings of some intense pain carried in the man. Sudden awareness of that pain, of how desperately alone he is, and how he cannot fix everything is what eventually brings on his breakdown while floating lost at sea.

            Circe was generally evil as she was good because it amused her to be so at any given time– she’s a charming narcissist to the end. She even uses her own children like a toys.

            I’m afraid this play of Odysseus and Circe is true of Dunks and Plats too. Even if she turns out to be family. Really, really afraid. So I’ll keep “getting screwed over by Plats” in the “highly likely” category, myself.

          • There is also that b/w image, that I cannot find for the life of me, that shows Sircea and Duncan smiling evilly at a smaller image of Kyle trapped in what looks (sorry) a little like a bird bath / scrying pool(?). It’s impossible to know if he’s trapped or just being observed or what… but every time I forget about Sircea I remember that image in which she and Duncan are clearly evilly happy collaborators and it reminds me that I have NO idea still what’s going on, or what is going to happen next… yikes.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Very yikes.

            It’s one of the posters in the store. Also, Duncan is pulling away from Sircea, which struck me as an odd pose. Look at the way he’s drawing back with his upper body.

          • Yep yikers… that Sircea just scares the underpants off of me and not in the good way.

            http://store.yaoi911.com/typ-somethings-brewing-print/

            I hadn’t previously seen the color version, which is gorgeous btw.

            Alex, congratulations, the store is so well laid out. Even looking at this print, if you hover your mouse over it, you get a wonderful moving closeup view. It’s just really great.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            If you look at that poster– I think the story of Kyle’s birth is told on Sircea’s shield. In the center, a woman and a flaming being with wings hold a baby aloft.

            Also, Sircea’s outfit mimics the “moly” or snowdrop. This is the main ingredient in the addictive potion Circe fed to Odysseus to make him do her bidding– and what do we see on the table, but a potion bottle and a single goblet.

          • So two possible ways home. Hate sex or a blow out battle? Hate sex might be interesting. Well probably after a blow out battle.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            This is very interesting.

            TBH- If this were to happen, I’d still want Kyle to punch Dunks in the face again after the explanation.

            Kyle- “It still hurt, you smug f—.”

            Duncan *rubs cheek*- “You know, I felt that.”

            Kyle- “What have you done to me…” *puts hands over face to think*

          • Steven K.

            Ditto!

          • I think no matter what happens, we have a couple of bleak chapters to go before anyone gets the happy.

        • Jakk Anthony Guzman

          I’m not sure what’s going to happen if they get stranded there, except that most likely they will be forced to work together to get out.

          • Denise Cruz

            Exactly as I thought!
            None of them want to stay there for life! They are going to need working together. But, Laampros is going to make the regress home a little bit harder.
            I don’t know how they are going to beat him in his own land.
            It’s not impossible but, probably is going to demand a lot of effort from both of them and some trusting at each other, what, at this point, is going to be harder than beating that huge guy.
            Anyway… let’s see how it comes.

          • Steven K.

            “Is going to be harder than beating that huge guy” – Might just very well be the case.

          • Denise Cruz

            Who would blame them for it?
            I certainly wouldn’t!

        • KryX

          I vote for the thingy mushing. Must add this to my vocabulary:)

          • Denise Cruz

            LOL You’re right! That’s a good one! XD

          • Steven K.

            Technically, it’s “thingy Smushing” (Seriously!). Which is more like thingy smooching. Thingy mushing is more like thingy mashing (not so seriously).

          • KryX

            I have learned something new today in a subject I thought I was most adept at. Thanks.

          • Steven K.

            Be careful what abilities you admit to – it may engender unwanted admiration from some of us who may be rather fans of such things. 😉

          • Steven, sir, you are a fountain of knowledge.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Mashing. Ecch. I think of hammers, Steven.

          • Steven K.

            I know – it’s very different – more unpleasant-sounding, and I thought that the word “mushing” was more like that – hence the correction that the true word used was the more enjoyable “smushing” – which is more like two penises heavily cuddling and making out with each other.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Which is an altogether different and pleasant set of circumstances. Nice clothes to mess up while I’m at it (I so love to mess up nice clothes, be it just get dirty, shred or what have you)… maybe a tie to secure wandering hands while I work– hot date material right there.

            Of course the whole “wear something you wouldn’t mind being destroyed” sometimes needs to be explained as more literal than figurative to some people. I once had to buy a new dress for a girlfriend because of a misunderstanding (which is a shame, because the sequins flying off the other one were really setting the mood before I got clobbered with a pillow).

          • Just nice to ponder helping a friendly gentleman out of a handsome suit and yes… ties are handy. Nice set of posts gang. Thanks. I’m glad I stumbled across it.

        • Steven K.

          VERY good points (especially about the trust)!

        • Maus Merryjest

          Ahem— so Duncan is the Keymaster and Kyle is the Gatekeeper? 😉

      • Steven K.

        I worry about that too.

      • That is a point…it seems Duncan can’t use the keys himself, even if he had both of them here right now. Otherwise surely he wouldn’t have had to go through all this with Kyle…so how IS he going to get home now?

        • Steven K.

          Yep!

    • I’m afraid Kyle is now a fully paid up member of Team Pitchfork. 🙂

      • Right now, I think Kyle is on Team REDHOT SMASH! 🙂

  • Klaus

    Is Duncan’s gesture of holding up the key and his arm enough to signify acceptance? If so it may be that that arm is no longer inculnerable because it no longer belongs to Duncan.

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      I don’t think so. Laampros told him with his hand outstretched: “the key. your arm..” But Duncan never gave him the key or his arm. Kyle interrupted by starting to talk.

  • Valja

    This is ten percent shock, twenty percent skill
    fifteen percent concentrated power of will
    five percent anger (ok maybe more xD), fifty percent pain
    and a hundred percent reason to BURN HIM LIKE HELL

    ….ok, but not in an irreversible way. I’m damn sure that not all of Duncan’s feelings were fake, when he pretended to be in love with Kyle. Something warm could grow in that little icy heart, with time.

    Ah, but that’s not the main problem here… With all of his newfound power, I still don’t think Kyle can keep up with Duncanator (let alone Laampros). The sphere has fallen off Duncan’s grasp, and Laampros will surely take a hold of it. Luckily there’s the other key to be activated….
    I’m sooo curious and impatient!! xD

    • Denise Cruz

      I totally agree with you about Anni’s feelings! A bad guy would never show such a sad face just for betraying a kid’s heart to get what he wanted! He was pretty much hurt about it!
      About Laampros… I don’t even know where start with it… But, I believe that if things get really out of control, maybe Kyle and Duncan can ending up beating that horned head together. Otherwise, its going to be almost impossible to get out of ‘Hellywood’ (as our friends here started calling that weird place! lol)

      • Jakk Anthony Guzman

        Denise, I don’t think Duncan is evil, which is worse. You expect something like that to be done by an evil guy.

        Santana “Evil Ways”

        ♫♫ You have to change your evil ways…baby♫♫
        ♫♫ Before I stop loving you ♫♫
        ♫♫ You’ve got to change…baby ♫♫

        • Denise Cruz

          That’s what I’m telling people, since the beggining, but they seem not understand what I’m saying!

          It’s good to finally find someone who thinks the same way. =)

          He’s not a bad guy, after all… He just spend his whole life lost and doing stupid (and bad) things because of it!

          Maybe Kyle can help him to find himself!..

          That’s what I’m waiting for!

          I know it’ not going to be easy and it’s going to take some time, but, I still have faith on him! On both of them! 😉

          Btw: this song looks so much like them! I loved it! =D

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Fun with music? I’m game.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvocVlk2kYU
            Duncan’s theme, for me. Bombastic symphonic metal song about the suffering of Odysseus. If Dunks turns out like I think he is, the guitar solo will forever play in my head every time Duncan does something awesome.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJvX0Z8TlyU
            Sircea’s theme, thus far. I think the level of creepiness speaks for itself.

            Kyle’s theme is more complex– until Duncan put the whammy on him, I would have said Martin Page’s, “Keeper of the Flame” ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brD-L0RUzek ) — now, I’m leaning more towards https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08WeoqWilRQ “Man on Fire” by the Magnetic Zeroes.

          • Denise Cruz

            I really liked each one of them! Had a laughing crise with the Sircea’s theme! I could see her face saying: ‘What else can anyone ask for?’ lol Petty fun!
            And, of course, my favorite couldn’t be another one (but, of course you already knew that before – XD): Anni’s theme! I loved it! ;D Thanks for sharing them!

      • But that’s exactly why I see Duncan as a bad guy. He KNEW it was wrong, what he did, and he did it anyway. He wasn’t born a psychopath unable to experience empathy, nor did he have the latter stifled through a bad upbringing. He knew this was wrong, he felt it was wrong, but he still did it. He had many chances to back out. He’s had second, third, fourth chances all his life: he’s not some silly young irresponsible young man who does something stupid (as per your below comment). He’s in his mid 50s!

        • Denise Cruz

          I understand your point of view and I respect it, but I don’t think it makes him bad. For me, it makes him WEAK!
          Do you remember when, few pages ago, he said he was nothing if he wasn’t very, very strong?
          He did what he did,even feeling and knowing it was wrong, for fear! Fear of loosing what he thinks is all he has: he’s fame, he’s strength!
          That’s what I’m talking about!
          He seems to think he’s worthless, except by being so very strong.
          At my POV, this is exactly his bigger weakness!
          He has nothing and/or no one.
          He knows he’s feared, not loved, admired or wanted. (Think about Kyle’s first reaction when they first met and put yourself at Anni’s place. Not while setting the trap, but at his daily life. More than fifty decades like that!)
          But, if this second condition changed, he could be the man he really is. He could know who he really is.

          Maybe Kyle can help him with that! ^v^ Once he already touched his heart in someway.

          NO! I don’t believe that Duncan is such a bad guy! He only ended up believing he is!

          Maybe you think I’m being too naïve. And maybe I am. But, I believed and liked very much what I saw and felt when he was being kind and tender to Kyle! I believe that’s the real Duncan! Even if he has a darker part inside himself.
          Afterall, who doesn’t?

          • Shella_Bluey

            I like what you wrote, I feel exactly the same about Duncan. 🙂
            But there is this nagging voice in my head that calls me a dreamer …

          • Denise Cruz

            Yeah!.. It sounds very familiar to me, too!
            And, of course, it may not pass from a dream, but, and if it does?!
            A dreamer would never get what he /she wants if had not dreamed about it at first, uhn?! ^v^

          • Shella_Bluey

            So I will keep dreaming. 🙂

          • Denise Cruz

            Welcome to the ship! 🙂

          • Many people have a darker part, but they don’t all go and abuse a vulnerable teenager and end up dragging him to hell. Everything Duncan said was calculated to gain Kyle’s trust for the spell.

            Sure, given that we’ve been told there will be an HEA, it looks like Kyle will show Duncan how to really be strong…but that’s a world away from them being in a relationship together again. Duncan had his chance for that… Kyle was willing to look past his previous crimes and see good in him, and Duncan blew it.

          • Denise Cruz

            I know that. But, each person handle things their own way. Many make mistakes. Many others don’t. Many don’t forgive others’ mistakes. Many others do.

            It’s all about the way we see/handle things in life.

            Kyle has all the right to feel completely furious. And Duncan certainly deserves punishment. But, at the end of the day(s), I still would like that they could handle that issue the way they need and, after that find a good way to work in a real relationship together. I think it would be good for both of them. It would be worth.

            That’s how I think/feel.

          • But why in a relationship? I just don’t get it. Someone told me a while ago that Team Redilator, despite the name, wasn’t in favour of a romantic relationship at all, just Duncan’s redemption through Kyle’s help/influence. Which makes a lot more sense to me.

            Kyle has so many options, to be with other people, other men who will not have already abused him! The only thing Duncan has going for him is his fireproofness, and that seems to be in question now. I’m sure Kyle can forgive Duncan if Duncan shows he’s changed via huge sacrifice, but taking him back…I would seriously question Kyle’s own self-esteem if he ends up doing that. It would be, as I’ve said before, like a battered wife taking back her husband after he’s shown himself to be truly remorseful. Maybe you believe him, but taking him back? Just…no. How on earth would their first time in bed be after this – no matter what Duncan does from now on, Kyle would always be jumpy, waiting for Duncan to shout “Laampros ba dfjsklfjdslk” again!

            And it’s not even as if they’ve come to love each other and that could lead Kyle to putting his emotions before his better judgement – Duncan made this move only on the 2nd date. There’s no strong prior attachment. Kyle can do so much better and should!

          • Steven K.

            I KNOW! Reading this. I pretty much agree to it all, and feel the same way despite my romantic dreams of wishing things COULD be different. Duncan’s betrayal of Kyle, and the way he went about it, make such reconciliation almost impossible – or almost impossible to be believed or be truly satisfying. BUT, if things could have worked out differently, and there was no betrayal, then I really liked the idea of them together in a relationship, because, from my perspective as an older gay guy, it would have been really refreshing and empowering to me to see a successful and loving relationship (though not without its difficulties) being portrayed in a positive way between a young gay man and an older one for once, without the older one portrayed just as a seducer and abuser – that it can be possible, it can work, and be physically and romantically fulfilling for each party. GEE WHIZ- I didn’t get my wish there, did I? That’s one reason why I was SO upset (practically unhinged) after Duncan’s betrayal. I had such positive hopes. Duncan ruined things for me as much as for Kyle.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Yeah, demonizing the older guy got me wound up too– for a lot of reasons besides the fact that I’m older, queer and a douchebag in recovery. (I still think Dunks needs a few more boots to the head and some introspection before he can come back to DBIR meetings and he better be careful or we’ll revoke his silicone bracelet.) But it was the “evil bisexual” overtones (shoving me past my tolerance point) in a few comments that got me to post here rather than just lurking. So… I can’t say Duncan’s spectacular screwup was all bad. lol

          • Denise Cruz

            I believe that I’m the only (crazy) person here that openly says that still wants to see Kyle with Duncan after all.
            Not sure how I haven’t been stoned, yet … lol (Although, you seem to be about to do it, now. Aren’t you?! lol)

            Well, I think my insistence about it comes from what I saw at Duncan’s face, when he left Kyle alone on that bed, (page 30 – ch 2). especially on third panel. It made me believe him and makes my heart aches.
            He had his back to Kyle. The boy couldn’t see his face. That wasn’t an acting. He suffered for doing what he did to that boy. He even said that to him, on the same page or on the next one. (I’m not sure on which of them.)

            I can’t imagine Anni lonely just because he was afraid of mean nothing, afraid of losing what he had, just because he was weak… That hurts me! I feel sorry for him! What can I do?

            Take into consideration that, after 60 years, a person’s physical strength significantly weakens, the friendships and everything else greatly reduce.

            Anni is 58 years old and, according to Kyle, his performances in recent years greatly decreased.

            I wonder if he has any illness or health problem that made him low down and has led him to more critical attitudes, as the ones he’s taking right now.

            Of course, all of it is just conjecture.

            On the other hand, think about when you were as young as Kyle and imagine or remember, I don’t know, when you got as hurt as Kyle is feeling now … Of course you felt anger, sad, stupid, everything we all know…
            Now, think about how wonderful it could have been if the same person who hurt you got back and was pretty regretful…
            There’s no one better to heal a painfull wound that the one who did it. It heals faster, almost painless and doesn’t leave any scars!
            Believe me! It would worth the danger!

            Trust can be build-up, inch by inch again, even after betrayals and bad moments. (How many couples do this every single week/day?!) It takes effort, strenght, courage and mind.

            Kyle already has the most of it. He can do it!

            Anyway, after being so hurt by him, I think Kyle deservesmuch more than only get to kick his ass or burn him. He deserves some repairs, he deserves to be pampered to the teeth. And, who better to do that than someone who needs to learn a little bit about being humble and also about his own trully value ?!

            Come on! They both deserve it!

            Now, go ahead: Call me crazy! lol
            (I know! I’m a freaking romantic little girl!! lol)

          • Shinashi

            Sorry if this is completely wrong or accusatory or judgmental, but I find it hard that many people being so hard on Duncan (not as if he doesn’t deserve it) have really been in a position of abuse, and then asked for forgiveness.

            I’m sure all have been up against an utter asshole, or even a bad person, but have they ever been in the position where they *could* forgive that person. That they *could* trust them again? Not just never seeing the douchebag from highschool again?

            I am not thinking of reconciliation between them just because I want it, but because lack of trust and lacking forgiveness is a trait (at least for those truly working for it) just as bad as breaking trust by itself.

            Perhaps I’ve seen too many movies where the bad guys stays bad, yearning forgiveness, and only receives it when he makes that sacrifice of his life towards the end.

          • Denise Cruz

            This post just made my night! 🙂
            Thanks! I really needed to know that I am not the only one thinking about him as someone who deserves to get forgiveness, too! Even if he receives some good punches before that happens!

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            I’ve been on both ends (DBIR). It depends on if the person wants forgiveness, for me. I find it easier to forgive someone who realizes they were as hurt by what they did to me as I was. I can’t look at them in the face and not see myself wanting that same forgiveness for some assholish or unthinkingly hurtful thing I’ve done.

          • I think there are more components than just the perpetrator being truly sorry and wanting forgiveness and the victim being in place where they are strong enough to give that forgiveness.

            Kyle is a good example, but any of us who have been victims may understand. The key step is first with the victim and their fear. In order to forgive their violator, they have to have forgiven themselves. Like Kyle, the times I’ve been taken advantage of, including a lover who refused to stop when I asked… well I was furious… with myself.

            My own foolishness created that opportunity for that to happen to me. I felt phenomenally stupid for a long time and I deeply ashamed at having to confront my bad judgement and stupidity. It was only after I “lived and learned,” so to speak, that I had the strength to look that person in the eye and truly understand that he had no ability to hurt me again, unless I gave it to him. That was when I finally let it go as being only his fault and understood it as ‘our’ fault.

            We knew mutual people and found ourselves some years later at a gathering. We had never spoken again. I needed to, so I brought it up. He admitted it was one of his greatest shames (we were very young). To be honest, I couldn’t say the words, “I forgive you” but I was able to say that he should forgive himself as long as he knows what he did and never does it again.

            Talk about DBIR.

            So my point is just that, Kyle will have to confront his own mistakes and forgive himself, and then (as our Paladin) he will probably be able to forgive a truly repentant Duncan. IF that’s what happens(?)

            Note: None of that is to imply that he will ever choose to make his heart vulnerable to Duncan again. He may simply never feel safe to… and that is okay. Sorry or not, I certainly never had sex with that guy again.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Yup. Not suggesting sex makeup, just forgiveness (and I’m not all forgiving. I have a short list of people that deserve to burn in hell. My rapists are on there. Hammer boyfriend is on there not just because he hurt me and violated my trust– but because last time I saw him in public he called me a “dirty breeder slut” in front of one of my sisters and her kids.)– and we talked a bit about choosing to be a survivor on an earlier post. You have to cast off being a victim (although the media sure loves to jack it to perpetual victims, and make it look like survivors are somehow ‘odd’ or ‘inhuman’ for being able to survive and even take instruction from the stuff that’s gone on) at some point to be a survivor, and only survivors can forgive. So yes, you are absolutely right.

            Chris, I’d give you a hug, but posts are woefully inadequate for stuff like that. You have my empathy instead. I hope you always survive what life throws at you.

          • It’s quite mutual… and thank you.

          • “because lack of trust and lacking forgiveness is a trait (at least for
            those truly working for it) just as bad as breaking trust by itself.”

            Seriously???????

            Kyle is under no moral obligation to forgive Duncan, let alone “trust” him (in the context here = sleeping with him again) !!! I would not judge him for that! He is the victim here, NOT Duncan, no matter how sorry Duncan may be in the future.

          • Steven K.

            That’s very true. What victim of sexual assault or abuse SHOULD be expected to be able to “trust” the perpetrator again – like to the point of being able to be comfortable alone (or otherwise) in a room with the attacker. And of course one wouldn’t even think of having an expectation that the victim would necessarily have a wish to be intimate with the abuser again (of their own free will or volition) – certainly not if the attacker was someone that the victim had no intention of being intimate with in the first place. Yes – some people are able to arrive at a place where they somehow are able to be forgiving, but I’m certainly never going to have an expectation that they do so, nor would I ever judge them negatively if they never do.

          • Yes. Shinashi’s comment made me feel really uncomfortable.

          • Steven K.

            But then again ….I’d say that, in contrast to Denise’s admittedly nice post above, this, I think, is still more where I’m at right now.

          • “That’s why I’ve asked if it’s possible to be on “Team Pitchfork” and “Team Redilator” at the same time.”

            Well, I won’t chuck you out! But do bear in mind it will be slightly tricky for Duncan to make love to Kyle if he has a massive six foot pitchfork stuck up his own ass.

          • Denise Cruz

            LOL —– breathless ——- LOL

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            I agree with you David. I don’t see how Kyle could ever trust Duncan again. This was no little thing, this was a very cruel and cold-hearted thing to do. I could see Kyle forgiving him one day, assuming that Duncan is repentant and had good intentions, but I don’t see Kyle trusting him again.

          • Steven K.

            Yeah – I’m very torn between the two alternatives – my mind and logic agree with you and David and part of my heart/emotions feel exactly just like you guys. But there is still a little part of my heart/feelings and romantic nature that wants to agree with Denise, hoping beyond hope that such a thing could be possible.

          • I love romance, and I agree about the problem between logic and heart…sometimes I have had ships I follow which I really don’t want to like as they are against my principles, and yet still can’t help shipping them…

            However, in this case I don’t feel a connection for Kyle/Duncan. This was only the second date. There’s no love or strong attachment (which is fortunate in one way , as that would have made Duncan’s betrayal even worse if Kyle genuinely loved him).

            Alex surprised me by making the betrayal so early on! On the one hand, this interesting placement means Alex has avoided the usual cliches…on the other, it seems he’s made things a lot harder for himself to convince readers later on that Kyle should take back Duncan.

            Assuming he is planning that, of course…

          • Denise Cruz

            It would take A LOT of courage and mind. Beside, of course, many, many, many open conversations.

          • Can you imagine what sex would be like between them? Every time Duncan opened his mouth to cry out, Kyle would be expecting to hear “LAAMPROS…”

          • Steven K.

            So true.

          • Steven K.

            I really loved this post. This is what having hope (and being a romantic optimist) can lead one to believe – I’m not quite there yet but I wish all that could be true. Some incredibly excellent points in any case.

          • Denise Cruz

            Thank you, Steven! It’s nice to know you liked it! ^v^

            I know I’m a big dreamer, but, I really love Duncan! I can’t see him only as a bastard! I still have faith on him! I still want to see him with Kyle.

            If you think about it, the best moments you can share with someone else are the moments after a big argument or a serious problem between the two of you. Right there, after making peace again! 😉

          • Denise Cruz

            I just realized you called me ‘a romantic optimist’! lol
            Do you believe I NEVER show it out of here?!
            No one close to me would ever call me a romantic person.
            An optimist, yes. But never a romantic person! (I make sure no one knows that out of this comments. lol)

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            You certainly are an optimist! 🙂

          • Denise Cruz

            You bet I am! 🙂
            I always look for good things in everything! It helps a lot with some hard moments!

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            I like your post, very well stated from your point of view. 🙂

          • Denise Cruz

            Thanks, Jakk!! 😉

          • Denise Cruz

            Thanks, Jakk!! 😉

          • Saxon_Brenton

            Well put. Every time Anni’s monolog to ‘be strong’ comes to mind, I always think of a bit of dialog from an old Dr Who comic, where the Fourth Doctor tells Merlin, “It’s not strength that motivates such men… but weakeness… monumental weakness! I know, old man… I’ve faced such creatures on a dozen worlds!”

          • Denise Cruz

            Thanks. I feel bad for him! Poor thing! Doesn’t matter how many bad choices he did/does, although I would prefer it was different, I can only think at him as someone in pain… >~<

          • SofiaT

            Very well said, Denise. Duncan is worthy of pity, not hate. He’s his own worst enemy and completely unaware of it.

          • Denise Cruz

            Thanks, Sofia!!

            Exactly! He’s someone trying to save himself from his own ghosts/fears. Of course he’s not being pretty smart about his choices,(each time, less smart), but it doesn’t make me like him less or hate him. I only want him finding some peace and getting something/someone that worth the fight! I want him happy! 😉

        • Steven K.

          I agree! (I think he’s 59.)

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            58 Steven, not that it makes much of a difference.

          • Steven K.

            You know, my first inclination was that it was 58, and I was actually going to say that at first – lol – but maybe thought 59 would be more dramatic? – I knew it was one or the other, but I was too lazy to go back and check.

        • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

          People’s emotions age at different rates. I know if I’d been invulnerable, I’d still have been a bad man well into my 30’s. In a way, Duncan’s own power could function as a blinder.

          • Can I ask what DBIR means? I’ve Googled but can’t find it.

            On another note. Being invulnerable wouldn’t allow much in the way of learning humility. If you’re invulnerable, it would be really hard to have your ass handed to you when a mistake is made. Of course if you (general) hold some empathy, you might see the destruction caused, the people hurt, and allowing for a more metaphysical (I hope that’s the right word) ass kicking.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Sometimes you’re so numb emotionally that the physical asskicking is all that gets through for a long time.

            DBIR is an acronym coined by Chris from my “Douchebags In Recovery” statements.

          • That’s true. Which brings it back full circle. How do you have your ass kicked if you’re invulnerable?

            Thanks!

          • DBIR… a phrase which I’ve entirely adopted from this List. To go with the equally nifty douchecanou, cock-weasel and Firerection.

          • I often think similarly, if I’d been born to abusive parents as opposed to great ones, I’d be a truly awful human being as opposed to just frequently inappropriate.

      • Valja

        Yeah he even said it himself if I remember correctly… He said “If I were different”…
        So he must realize he harbors some feelings towards Kyle, but he’s obviously more strongly driven by (or rather, he forces himself to concentrate on) his evil plans . Plans about which we still don’t know anything, I mean we can’t say for sure what are Duncan’s real plans, we can only assume part of them based on what he’s told Laampros in these last panels… and if literature has taught me anything, is that a complex character such as a “wannabe-evil superhero with a tormented soul” often has particular motives and background.

    • KryX

      I think I see bone for a thumb in the last panel. This might not be reversible. For a man as vain as Duncan, this might be his punishment.

      • Valja

        Oh my. Now that I look closely, you actually might be right D:

      • Steven K.

        Well, if his powers of regeneration or healing are not too diminished in Laampros’ world, it will be all right again, or will be so if/when they get “back” even if his regenerative powers are slower in the hell-plane.

  • Steven K.

    Wow – where did you come from you handsome fellow? (Sorry, not trying to be provocative or even unduly social – just a visceral reaction).

  • Steven K.

    Kyle is cute no matter what expression he has at any given time.

  • JM

    YES! KYLE! KICK HIS ASS! PUNCH HIM IN HIS STUPID FACE!
    I feel so divided right now! I love Duncan, I really do, but I hate that he screwed Kyle over. Like I want Kyle to get up, do some serious damage and save himself, and for Duncan to realize he seriously messed up the best thing he could have ever had, because Kyle is awesome. I also want them to beat Laampros together and then spend the rest of the story fighting but having tons of pent of sexual tension. Then I want to Duncan to beg for Kyle’s forgiveness and for Kyle to punch him in the face. And then they should go out to a nice restaurant.

    • Steven K.

      YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! (That would be acceptable.)

    • Valja

      Ahahahah I loved your outburst xD
      I partially agree with you, though I’d love to see some pull-and-spring between the two of them… I’ve always loved the stories in which two character are prey of a twisted love but are on opposites sides of the board 😉
      I’d love to see Duncan trying to bring Kyle on his side, or to see them fight in the real world while glancing at each other like “You damn bastard, I’ll punch you but I sooo want to kiss you” and “I’ll attack, but I still don’t want you to get hurt, oh crap what am I doing” and things like these 😉 I want to see them struggle for their happiness!!
      And, in the end, I want to see the almighty Duncan on his knees begging for Kyle’s forgiveness.
      Gosh HOW I WANT THIS. *nosebleed*

      • JM

        I agree! I too want to see their confused interactions in the “real world” – I feel like them meeting each other has made them both question their impressions of what/who is good or bad, though I’m sure Kyle’s is clouded right now from the betrayal and heartbreak. I just really *really* want them to be forced to work together to get out of this

      • Steven K.

        Wonderful post (and loved your situational examples)! That would be so great. Would be rather awesome, actually – so a part of me feels I could def. live with that kind of scenario and find it satisfying and acceptable.

      • Denise Cruz

        Is it weird that your ideas are pretty acceptable for me?! O.o
        I liked it! A lot!

    • Please save your version for the fanfic onslaught that will inevitably follow. Oh… and then write it. Love it!

  • Surly Shirley

    I was starting to forget Kyle was there. lol I was all about the whole world getting taken over thing.

  • Comic Reader

    You totally rock with this story line! I am constantly surprised with what is going to happen and I love it even when I hate it lol! Also I love your idea for trading cards. It is great and I bet they will sell out all the time! I know I want them already!

  • Shella_Bluey

    Ok, Duncan deserved it and I liked it a lot that Kyle was able to hurt him, but those burns on Duncan’s hand left me uneasy and I did some research about burn injuries and how they heal and so on. What I read was horrible and I really hope Duncan’s body is still able to heal fast.

  • Kit the Coyote

    Well they haven’t completed the handshake, so is this a deal breaker then?

    • Denise Cruz

      I wouldn’t say it yet! It ‘s going to depend on what happens next… I think…

      • Kit the Coyote

        The problem with demonic deals gone wrong, is the demon is always ready to take advantage of any loopholes left hanging hehe.

        • Denise Cruz

          So true! hehe
          But, this demon in particular seems to be having a great time with what is happening. Look at his face on panels 1 and 2… lol

          • Amanda

            Laampros can enjoy it all he wants, as long as this whole scene doesn’t end with him looking at Kyle and saying, “That’s my boy!! Making his Daddy proud”. Imagine how awkward that would be.

          • Denise Cruz

            OH! For God’s sake! Don’t even start it, Amanda! LOL
            I’m gonna have nightmares tonight, just because of it…LOL

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            Laampros: Kyle, I am your father.
            Kyle: Noooooooooo
            Lampros: Kyle, join me and together we can rule the galaxy as father and son.
            😛

          • Steven K.

            Or at least the Earth-Plane and the Hell-Plane.

          • Steven K.

            Well, that would be more acceptable to me than some alternatives I can think about, including those that also might have reference to “daddies” and “sons” (although that would have theoretically worked for me with Kyle and Duncan, but not-so-much Kyle and Laampros).

          • Denise Cruz

            I completely understand what you meant! lol
            Agreed! lol

          • Adam Black

            they are a cute couple. give in to Kaamopros

          • HA

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      As long as the Key remains, Duncan can continue with the bargain. If
      let’s say, he and/or Laampros manage to subdue Kyle. But if Kyle manages to destroy the Key, then Duncan has nothing to bargain with.

      • Denise Cruz

        Oh, I wouldn’t want to be in his shoes if something like that end up happening… hihihi

  • Amanda

    Omg!! It just occurs to me, since Kyle was technically the ride there, he could totally ditch his date! Should have skipped taking over the Earth with Laampros, Duncan!! Should have stuck to the old adage “Put out or get out!”

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      Let’s hope that Laampros is not planning on riding him back. 😛

      • Steven K.

        Amen lil’ bro.

      • Riding him…. or riiiiiiiiiding him?

        • Jakk Anthony Guzman

          I’ll leave it up to your imagination. I’m sure it will be more fun that way. 😛

    • Steven K.

      What if there needs to be another spell for Kyle to get back though (with or without Duncan)? Maybe Laampros would know some incantation to do it, but might ask from Kyle a price he has no wish to pay in order to get Laampros to use it.

  • Kiri

    Yay for Kyle. He really is strong! And he will show Anni what true courage is.

  • SpookyDomme

    Did he just burn the invulnerable guy!? He just burned the invulnerable guy!
    Kyle, you BAMF, you.

  • Cman65

    Could be that here somebody is just a man but Kyle is much more?

    • Steven K.

      That would be nifty. About as nifty as that nice trail that is rather explicitly presented to us in your avatar/icon.

  • Klaus

    “There is nothing that happens here without my allowing it.” Did Laampros release Kyle?

    • Valja

      I don’t think so, but I’m afraid he could easily put him back on a leash if Kyle doesn’t put up another heroic scene, and pretty quickly if possible *gulp* I’m sure Duncan would be eager to punish him for this little rebellion, and I’m afraid of how far his imagination can go when he wants to discipline a sexy hottie like Kyle… *smirks*

      • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

        I think that even if Duncan is more or less innocent (and the jury is out on that), disciplining Kyle is the last thing that needs to happen right now. It sends the wrong message not just to the reader, but to Kyle and Duncan. Especially to Duncan. Dunks needs to take a level in humility.

        • Jakk Anthony Guzman

          We need at least a couple of pages of Kyle kicking Duncan’s ass, destroying the key and screwing up Duncan’s plans. And making it impossible for Duncan to get back without Kyle’s consent! Duncan needs to learn a lot of lessons. I’m hoping for something like this to happen.

        • Valja

          Well I agree with you, I don’t want that to happen and Duncan sure needs to learn not to underestimate young aspiring heroes with awesome powers… But on the other hand I’m sure he won’t take lightly the fact he’s been hurt and burnt – hurt! He, who’s supposed to be invulnerable! – and his colossal ego would definitely want to take a bit of revenge, sooner or later. I hope more later as possible.
          As for the “wrong message to the reader” and the others, well… Plot twists shocked me and had me taken aback so many times in books/movies/comics that now I try not to take anything for granted…

          • Steven K.

            Well, that bit of burn is probably not that significant to a fellow that has powers of super-healing and regeneration, and I think Duncan has hurt Kyle emotionally/psychologically, in a way that is greater or much more significant than how Kyle has just hurt Duncan physically – and besides, Kyle was just protecting himself – def. was in self-defense and possibly deserved by Duncan as a tiny bit of retribution for what he did to Kyle – AND Kyle was protecting the fate of the whole planet. Seems more than totally justified even if Kyle were able to actually evaporate Duncan totally (though I don’t think that’s in his nature to want to do that).

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            I agree, it was just a little burn, Duncan can heal. Kyle heard all that was going on. He is not burning Duncan because he wants revenge, he’s doing it to stop him and save the Earth. I’m hoping Kyle can screw up Duncan’s plans and stop him.

          • I agree in a satisfying overarching way, and definitely about the ass-kicking that D. sorely needs… I just wish we knew what Duncan’s plan really was. I still don’t buy any of the you get South East Asia and I’ll take the Americas baloney… it’s all just too convoluted. So good intentions or not, I still feel like I don’t have a clue what Duncan’s REAL intentions ever were/are. Kyle actions right now given what he’s been led to believe are totally understandable, but…

            Warning: Total supposition time —

            If Duncan was actually trying to do something selfless in his own arrogant way and save the earth rather than destroy it. Then perhaps his journey to redemption (after escaping from this situation) is to realize that his plans can only be achieved with with Kyle’s help… that Kyle is indeed more powerful than he is, and only through humility and working in tandem with Kyle can he achieve his goal (whatever it was). Now that would be a journey in humility for a man like Duncan.

            Speaking, as one who knows, a real journey of the soul for a Douchebag In Recovery. Admitting one is spectacularly wrong can be quite the trip to the dentist. Unpleasant, but ultimately good for you.

            Just a wondering…

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            Chris, a scenario like this will be very difficult for Kyle. First he will not trust Duncan, and second it could get him in serious trouble with his team who might start to view him with suspicion once they find out about his association with the Annihilator. So if he keeps working with Duncan he could get kicked out of his team.

          • All true, but what if the team is included. If D. can convince Kyle who will be most resistant, then he can convince all the YPs and everyone necessary that against all odds he (Duncan) was actually trying to do something worthy and selfless… convince them, and not just Kyle. I’m just imagining a journey that would require Duncan to learn the kind of life lesson that leads to redemption. Something, I think it’s fair to say most of us hope for him.

            Ummm… after the butt-kicking, of course. That’s mandatory. 🙂

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            Yep, that will be the only way it can work. But it will take SOME convincing!

          • True. I meant that in my example for Duncan’s great good it should take A LOT of convincing, groveling, grudging admitting to being an ass, etc… Duncan will NEED to go through all that if we’re to expect and believe in any true redemption.

            I’m mean it’s all mondo-guessing —

            It would just be fun and it would, in it’s own way, mirror that wonderfully satisfying post of @JM:disqus ‘s where he outlines a journey that forced Kyle and Duncan together to kick Laampros butt and Duncan is forced to learn (well so is Kyle in his cool scenario, but at 18 it would be hard for Kyle NOT to learn something) and they end up a dinner (HA). Butt since we’re so early in the book I think we can still weave scenarios that may take our Alex a few pages to pull off. ‘Cause the man HAS a few pages. You know?

          • Steven K.

            Wow – Go Chris with that scenario!

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            *applause* *wolfwhistles* *dodges chair thrown at head by chris’ husband*

          • HA

          • Valja

            I know that little burn is nothing to Mr. Supervillain, with his strenght and his rumored fast healing abilities… I was mainly referring to his ego 🙂
            Imagine if you were a super human with awesome powers, totally overconfident, and suddenly a young inexperienced (compared to Duncan) lad, who you’ve already classified as “naive”, manages to break the supposedly perfect magic that held him captive and silenced and starts messing up your accurately schemed plans… and on top of everything, burns you, who normally are invulnerable to fire.
            Well, I must be sincere, I’d be very indignant and quite pissed 😉

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            You might. But from my POV– Duncan has been invulnerable most of his life. His brushes with pain so far have given us shock and amusement in comic. Combine that with very possible feelings for the young man who might have burned off that “sore thumb” as well as the possibility that he might be stranded in hell and I think his whole brain is going to be clouded by horror. If he becomes indignant, it’s going to come after his mind can process what just happened. With his emotions being as stunted as they are, even with his fierce intelligence, that may take awhile.

            It may be fun to imagine we menfolk as indestructible mountains of sex and violence, but it’s not so.

          • Valja

            In a previous post I said “sooner or later”, he obviously right now doesn’t have the time to think about his wounded ego. And probably it won’t happen at all.
            But I only stated my opinion – if I were an invulnerable superhuman, that’s how I’d behave… of course I’m not Duncan, anyway. And I’ve never tried to bargain with a demon while keeping tied down a man for whom I probably feel something.
            No one is an “indestructible mountain of sex and violence” (wow where did you get that from?), I only thought of what the reaction of someone like Duncan could be (feelings for Kyle aside). I just don’t think someone as experienced, cunning and determined as Duncan could panic over the situation, even though this one is a little extreme even for someone like him…

      • Steven K.

        Yeah – trying not to think too hardly about that myself. But maybe Kyle has some added powers and abilities to somehow be able to thwart all that – or for some reason Laampros takes pity on him and lets him go (there are precedents, such as Orpheus softening the heart of the lord of the underworld with his plaintive song to win back his beloved Eurydice).

        • Valja

          Well in that case I just hope the similarities between Orpheus’ myth and this story end here… I don’t want Kyle to suffer the same fate as that poor musician.

    • timemonkey

      Probably not, but I wonder if he stripped away Duncan’s powers when he crossed over?

      • Jakk Anthony Guzman

        Laampros told Duncan (page 38), “clearly you would not have the strength to remain here long”. Most likely the longer he stays there the weaker he becomes. That place is sapping his strength, but it looks like it might be having the opposite effect on Kyle — making him stronger.

        • Steven K.

          It does seem that way, doesn’t it? As many have pointed out I think, Duncan should have thought through things more fully when he planned to bring some sort of “fire elemental” into a realm of fire, or someone who at least could have the capabilities of gaining strength from all that fire ’round and about.

    • Steven K.

      Interesting question. Laampros may not have allowed Kyle to escape his magical bonds initially, but he doesn’t have to allow him to be ultimately successful in his escape in general – I’m sure there are several ways that Laampros could place Kyle, or have Kyle placed, back into bondage if he so willed or desired.

      • Jakk Anthony Guzman

        There are so many things that can happen. Laampros may take an interest in Kyle, seeing as he is getting stronger in that dimension instead of weaker. I’m hoping Kyle is not subdued by Laampros too quickly, otherwise it would have been all for nothing. One thing is clear, Duncan is getting weaker there and he won’t be able to stay for much longer. So if Kyle manages to brake the spell, and they need to co-operate to get back, it would have to be done rather quickly. I’m thinking hours, not days.

  • Ikaru Sentinal-K’Valshar

    Wow

  • Maus Merryjest

    Kyle totally just ‘burninated’ the ‘invulnerable’ one.

    I hear the seal being slowly torn off a can of whoop-ass.

  • Arthur Dent

    It just hit me… Kyle will most definitely have to tell his team mates about the Annihilator’s and the Platinum Priestess’s plans, which will lead to awkward questions about how he knows that, which must eventually lead to his big coming out moment.

    • Valja

      OH YES. I’ve been waiting for that.
      *grabs popcorn*
      I’m dying to see Spooky’s face (if I remember his name correctly) when he finds out…

    • Steven K.

      I still don’t think (many will argue with me about this) that he has to reveal all of the INTIMATE details of what happened – he could say he fell into a very well-laid trap and was captured, etc. – he doesn’t have to admit to them that it was in the midst of actual sexual activity (though he might want to talk about all of that part and afterwards to a good and non-judgmental sexual psychotherapist). He should come out to them as gay – that would help – and could say that he was naive enough to be tempted, etc. I just hope he doesn’t have to blather things in a way that he is made to look, or even worse, FEELS or is made to feel, so stupid and silly and

      • Valja

        Probably you’ll feel like I’m rather cold, but I want them to know…
        Of course if I were in Kyle’s shoes I’d hide as much as possible (they don’t need to know the details..!), but for the sake of the pathos here, I’d like it if they knew all that’s happened and so made him feel even more guilty (even though I myself would immediatly forgive him, poor guy he’s done nothing wrong apart from trusting the wrong person). Maybe not all of them (everyone has his own personality, so probably part of them would understand and be sympathetic) and not forever, but only for what it takes to him to start feeling torn between what he (obviously still) feels about Duncan and his duty as a superhero. I want to see him tormented by his inevitable feelings, while at the same time he would have to maintain a façade, showing he has overcome his feelings and he doesn’t care about Duncan anymore. The pressure from being constantly watched by the ones more concerned about his psyche would probably stress him, and I know I’m being kinda cruel towards him, but it’s something I’d really love to see as I’m curious as to how it would be portayed in the comic. But I also would like it if Kyle still had a friend on his side (which one was his best friend among the heroes? I think he told Duncan but I don’t remember right now).
        I hope I’ve been clear on what I mean…

        • I know it is very individual, but my memory is that the closer you are to specific people, the longer you put off telling them the truth. The possibility of rejection is so so awful. For me my mother was one of the last people I told. Honestly? It was silly, she’s much to good a person and showed that instantly, but she was so important to me that I just kept delaying and practicing ‘coming out’ on others first.

          So, correct me if I’m wrong, but the YP team is a bit like Kyle’s family now, right? Or do we not have enough information to make that statement? I just thought it might explain part of his normal reluctance to tell them.

          Rejection is just too awful. They’re too important to him.

          Maybe?

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Maybe. Or it could be that he’s afraid of being tossed out on his butt and having nowhere to go. There could be repercussions for being a super-being, registered, who can’t find acceptable work. Either way, still unpleasant.

          • I hear that. One is just emo-family based and one is career-life based and neither sounds fun. True that.

          • Steven K.

            Finally some understanding even if not total agreement with some reasons that I have my articular point of view. Thanks guys – I’m feeling a lot better now to hear you guys mention such things.

          • Valja

            Noooo please Steven don’t scold/”pluck” me! I understand we have different opinions on the matter. I’ll try to explain a bit now (even thought right now I don’t have much time and I’m writing with the mobile phone, which I find rather uncomfortable) (and on top of everything, in english)
            I think he did the right thing not telling his friends about the dates with Mr. Evil (though I don’t think he’s that evil yet) before. That was his own business, and if they don’t know about his being gay this means he is not very confident with them, so it’s quite obvious he didn’t tell them about Duncan being possibly a good person . (for example, my best friend has dated a bunch of times people I totally didn’t like, some very older in age and with questionable reputation, but she always told me, and only me, because even if I scolded her, should anything happen at least I knew where to go and who to search). Obviously a Hero would have thought twice before doing something like this, but he’s still young and his behaviour is totally understandable. He was naive but kind-hearted, and I won’t definitely criticize him since everyone acts differently, especially when he’s afraid of being judged and ostracized (does it exist in english?).
            But. But. Now it’s no longer about his being gay and trusting someone questionable. Duncan has betrayed him already, what happened is indirectly also his fault, and if Duncan’s plan succeeds, there’s the risk 3/4 of the world will become a living Hell on earth.
            So, i I were him, I wouldn’t hide what happened. If they find out everything on their own (and villains usually blabber aa lot about these kind of things, maybe not Duncan but the witch probably) he’ll risk to lose their trust forever, and for real. Better spit it all out while he can.
            Please don’t scold me 🙂 but tell me what do you think about this, I’m curious. …

          • Steven K.

            YESSS! – That TOO!!!

          • Steven K.

            YESSSS! You ARE so sensible and you make me feel so much better now – that is a part of what I’ve also been trying to say – that the YP is like his family, part of the reluctance, (fear of) rejection just too awful, they are too important to him – many reasons why he may not have come out before. With that one comment you made that I submitted the long reply to – the one that I was “bristling” over – I just wanted to pull all your chest-hairs out one-by-one until you understood or to “pluck” some understanding into you (and I normally like chest-hair, so that would have been a rather drastic thing for me), but I do see much more understanding in these posts down here (that I thought was there all along) and the things that you mention here just make me want to hug you instead now, as is the usual case with the vast majority of what you write and your comments here. But later this evening when I have more time, Valja still needs some painful “plucking”.

      • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

        Closets are bad.

        • Jakk Anthony Guzman

          I agree with Sonny, he should come out to his teammates. There’s nothing wrong with being gay. If they have a problem with it, then that’s their problem. If he’s worried about rejection from them, then the sooner he finds out about it the better. Less time wasted being friends with people who in the end are going to reject you. And if they don’t then less time wasted on his part worrying about it and pretending to be something he’s not.

          • Valja

            I don’t think that being gay would be the problem… What would be worrying, from their point of view, is that he became intimate with the enemy. Not something a hero would usually do…

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            Superheroes are not usually portrayed as gay and in the closet. Kyle put himself at risk because he’s afraid of rejection and what others are going to think of him. When Duncan sees him outside of the gay bar, Kyle thinks that Duncan is going to blackmail him, or expose him. That’s why he agrees to a kiss. Actually, Kyle agrees to do anything the Annihilator wants as long as he doesn’t have to betray his team. If Kyle was out, he wouldn’t have been in a vulnerable position. So for Kyle being gay is a problem that he is dealing with.

          • Valja

            Yes, you’re right about his fear. It’s something he himself has to overcome, and his bigger obstacle right now, but I probably didn’t explain myself properly…I was referring to his friends’ point of view. I mean, I don’t think that’s what would worry his friends (if they truly are friends). I guess they’d be more concerned by the fact he’s become buddy with someone known to be the apotheosis of a supervillain… From what we’ve seen so far of him, he wouldn’t want to tell them what’s happened also out of fear of being judged for being gay, but they’d surely make a greater fuss over his relation with the enemy, no? A friend doesn’t scold you for being gay, but for sleeping with and enemy…well it can happen…

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            I totally agree. I think his friends would accept him no matter what. It may take some of the a little time, but they will. But it’s all about his fear of rejection from his team and others, not how they are going to react to him. I think if he explained his problem — that he was afraid they would reject him and that he can’t have sex with anyone because he will burn them. And that the Annihilator is immune to fire, and that he wanted to experience love with another person. And because of all that he let his guard down, etc. I think they would understand.

          • Valja

            Yes, definitely. Otherwise they wouldn’t be friends.
            Oh my, suddenly I’m afraid of the typical “former friend” cliché… You know, when a friend of the main character suddenly stops trusting him and starts opposing him in every way, trying to turn his other friends away from him… I so hope this won’t happen to Kyle, I think he’s suffered enough (and he’s still suffering, since a broken heart is not something from which you heal that easily)

          • Adam Black

            let it mirror real life

          • WHAT? You got taken to hell on your first date too? Damn, I thought it was just me.

          • Steven K.

            It COULD happen. But yes – you see – you begin to catch a point – or a few of them. He HAS suffered enough already, etc. – why risk so much more hurt and shame and humiliation, etc., etc.

          • Steven K.

            In the best of all possible worlds, that is what should happen and that is what we all would hope for. B ut in the best of all possible worlds, Duncan would have never betrayed Kyle in that way in the first place. If Duncan is capable of that, then Kyle’s friends might be capable or reacting in some other way than the proper and ideal way you describe. True friends SHOULD be accepting and understanding. Also parents (if anyone, even more than friends) should still LOVE and cherish their sons or daughters when they come out to them. But often they DON’T. Gay children SHOULD be accepted by their parents, and loved unconditionally (well, at least still loved under the condition of being gay), but so often they are NOT. We don’t love in the best of all possible worlds. We don’t live in a world where what SHOULD happen always happens. Because of that, things are orders of magnitude more complicated and less black-and-white.

          • That all makes sense to me. They key is that before coming out of the closet you’ve usually never discussed any of these things with anyone, you have no points of reference to make the judgements wisely and thus Duncan used his fear and ignorance superbly. So I do agree with you.

            And you’re right ‘coming out’ does separate your real friends from the ones that quickly fade away… and painfully they do.

            If you (are foolish like myself and like to suffer) go back and re-read your way into the present. You’ll be reminded that Duncan really took his time playing Kyle. Kyle didn’t just hop into the petal strewn bed. There was lots of flirting, Hong Kong, fake saving of people, romance, Montrachet 1978 (let’s not forget the Montrachet). Duncan played Kyle masterfully. And between his previous fear of sex and the way his sex and powers mixed destructively in the past and then just the same fear of gay ostracisation that all of us who are gay have felt it’s understandable that if he gets out of Laamprosville… he won’t know what to worry about most.

            I think many of us have left an evening out with some hot thing that our friends were convinced was less than desirable. Whoops, he got duped into dating a super villain who’s idea of a good date was hell.

            Bet he won’t do that again.

            Sorry, that was a lot of words for me to mostly just agree with you.

          • Steven K.

            Wow – you, from considering things through other lenses or other parts of your brain or heart, really do seem to understand a number of the things I’m talking about. You put that all so well, that it’s hard to read your other post about what Kyle has to do and how he needs to suffer and get what’s coming to him from the Commander, etc. “But he won’t do that again”. By GOLLY he won’t!!! And he didn’t need ANYONE – the Commander, his team-mates, etc, – bitching at him or lecturing him or shaming him or giving him his “due punishment” or giving him “what he deserves”, or giving him “what’s coming to him” because of his actions – to teach him that and in order to learn that lesson. You guys can’t have this both ways at once.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Steven– I think he hurts with Kyle. I know I do. Adam does too and has said as much. All three of us seem to have chosen to bare our souls rather than suffer at some point.

            Like lancing a boil, it hurts right at the moment you admit to everything, but like lancing a boil it heals clean. All the pus and funk and shit gets drained and doesn’t fester. It doesn’t get infected. It doesn’t become a problem later. And if it twinges, you can talk about it, even if you go to a message board like this to talk with strangers.

            Kyle did nothing wrong, and he deserves all the love and support in the world, but like a child that brings home a landmine thinking it’s a frisbee— it’s still a landmine in his pocket. Patting him on the head because he’s an exemplar of innocence, doesn’t change the landmine aspect. At some point responsibility has to kick in and he has to defuse the landmine somehow before it kills him or someone else. For Kyle, it seems that the easiest way to make sure everyone is safe and take away the potential for explosion, is telling the truth now. I’m always open to alternate ideas, even if my lack of patience makes me sharp at times, but I really do not see how shutting up is going to benefit him in the long run.

          • Steven K.

            But all in the proper time and circumstances, with/to the right people – those who will respond with as much empathy rather than punishment and derision as possible. If he truly did nothing wrong, he shouldn’t be PUNISHED – shamed, humiliated, etc. Though even I don’t believed he did nothing wrong, I just think he didn’t intend to do wrong, and he shouldn’t be blamed for what he did, and that it wasn’t his FAULT that he did something that ended up being the wrong choice, etc. And I do know what you mean with “and if it twinges, you can talk about it, even if you go to a message board like this to talk with strangers” – that’s why I’ve bared a lot here about my life circumstances that I normally wouldn’t talk about – because it is therapeutic for me to do so – even though it has led some to think that I have a lot of self-esteem issues and that I need to “like myself before I can expect others to like me” and that sort of thing, even though that is not an issue. It’s just that everything – LIFE – is truly SO complicated, that the same solutions applied the same way at similar times just aren’t going to be applicable or work for everyone – there are so many countless unique variables to everyone and everyone’s situation – we just need to be more understanding of that – and just more understanding – period. If only Kyle had the reassurance of knowing that his team-mates loved him – and moreover loved him unconditionally – and had that empathy he would need when he felt that he needed to reveal things that happened, and at least some of the details as to what went on, and why things happened the way they did. You made some very charitable and empathetic statements in this comment about or toward Kyle – if he could be sure that his friends and team-mates would have that same perspective and that, at least in spirit, he truly “did nothing wrong”, then I think it would be a lot easier for Kyle to follow along that path of confession and resolution. I just don;t want to see the kid hurt any more than he has been already – time and time again. Some things heal, but negative responses and rejection or loss of membership, or shaming, or humiliation, or being made to feel EVEN MORE guilty, may just exacerbate the previous wounds, and cause them to fester even more RATHER THAN be fully drained and on the path to healing. It’s a tricky matter.

          • Steven K.

            Yes.

          • Steven K.

            A somewhat more charitable way to put things.

          • Adam Black

            yeah

          • Denise Cruz

            Exactly my point! This could be a huge problem!

          • I understand what you’re saying, but at this point Kyle’s been rejected by all the adult teams on various grounds and while he does some heroic things… I’m not sure he (or whomever?) classes him as a super hero YET. At least not until Alex gets through with him.

            It’s the classic interview in every serial killer docu-drama: the nice old lady, that lives next door, who tells the interviewer, “But he was such a nice quiet man. Alway put his trash cans away on time and…”

            Kyle had plenty of reasons to hope that something different was happening between he and Duncan (he seemed so nice and his wine was really good). At worst Kyle was guilty of young naive judgement and a healthy dose of inexperience.

            So, perhaps not a thing a super hero would do, if indeed he can be considered one yet, but it’s definitely something a human does. Tricky line, I guess. You’re definitely right… could just be more pain for Kyle. Time will tell.

          • Steven K.

            Yeah – under normal circumstances. Though I don’t blame Kyle one bit for considering the various consequences, and the risks vs. benefits, and making the exact decision he did. And c’mon people, you think he really could have predicted, in his wildest dreams, that what actually happened would happen (the transportation to a hell-realm, the huge pointy-fingered demon-lord, etc., etc.)

          • Steven K.

            He should come out to his team-mates, or one or two, when he is comfortable and ready, but he doesn’t need to give them all the details of his sexual encounters – with Duncan or anyone else.

          • Steven K.

            Well, it IS their problem, but if they react badly, it sort of becomes another problem for Kyle too – and he really doesn’t need that right now, on top of everything else. And he doesn’t need a “talking down”, nor shame, or humiliation, or being made fun of, or ridiculed, etc.

        • YES! Very very bad. They energy that goes into maintaining a closet (that very few people ultimately believe anyway) sucks all the joy out of one’s life. There is no better time to come out of the closet than NOW. (or the minute you move out of your bible-thumping parent’s house…)

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Makes me sort of glad Kyle doesn’t have that problem. He has one potentially homophobic teammate to deal with in Tsunami… (and maybe Flyboy. We don’t know if his “wow” was a good thing, after all. It might have triggered his self-righteous trolling for all we know. He’s a computer whiz, he might have hacked that website.)

            I really think the “seduced by the enemy” part is going to be a harder thing to get over for his teammates, given his history, than the being gay part.

      • Denise Cruz

        Agreed!
        But… do you really think this would be the best time to come out of the closet?
        I don’t know… If he wouldn’t want explaing everything that happened between both of them, maybe he should talk about it some days later… Maybe in the next week.
        I just think it could put him in a very… suspicious situation.
        Do you know what I mean?
        First he tells them he fell into a trap, then he tells them what he heard about Anni’s and PP’s plans and, after all this he comes out of the closet?
        I think it’s quite obvious.
        Well… I don’t know! Maybe I’m wrong…

        • Valja

          Your post made me think of a strange scene… a scene quite, errr, embarassing, if not thorny.
          Imagine if Duncan manages to give Big Red the key, and all he has to do is activate the one on Earth. And Kyle giving this kind of explanation: “Hey guys, you know the big awful evil plan in act right now?
          I guess it’s partially my fault.
          Yeah, because the Annihilator used me to open the gate to Hell.
          How? Oh, he was successful in using me because I trusted him.
          Aehm, yes, I trusted him because I became friends with him.
          Why? Cause I had a sort of a date with him. A couple of dates, in fact.
          Yeah, I spent the night of my birthday dining with him.
          And then we went to bed.
          Together.
          Because I fell for him.
          …..did I mention I met a demon and a fliyng eyeball?”
          Well, that escalated quickly. I guess it’s time for me to go to bed.

          • Denise Cruz

            LOL Oh, God! LOL You really understood what I meant. Didn’t you?! LOL
            Actually, you made a picture of this much better than I made by myself! Great jog!

          • Ahahahaha…

            I hated those nights out when things got a little wild and someone served you shots and then things get blurry and then you wake up the next morning with a splitting headache, next to a snoring twelve foot demon, in an unknown hell dimension, and you don’t remember how you got there? You remember those nights? Right? Right?

            And you end up thinking… “Ummmm, why am I so sore back there?”

          • Steven K.

            I did all that NOT-telling of people, and I never did anything irresponsible in terms of risking my own health or well-being or sobriety – never got drunk, never got high – and never ended up in bed with anyone I didn’t mean to end up there with, or with someone I wouldn’t have ended up with if I had been thinking more clearly. I have the opposite opinion from y’all, but I can’t claim to ever having to do the proverbial “walk of shame”, nor did I ever end up in any sort of sordid or dangerous or disgusting situation with anyone.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            … I’m glad I didn’t see this until now. Sordid or disgusting as you might find my *shameful* behavior– I am a good playmate, a faithful lover, and I work hard to be a good man. My mistakes have made me a better person not just for myself, but for everyone I come in contact with in any situation.

          • Steven K.

            Gosh – NO!!! PLEASE – I am so so so sooooo sorry – I didn’t mean ANYTHING personally – I was not talking about anyone in particular – I was speaking theoretically about something that a person experiences that he/she SELF-IDENTIFIES as being negative or makes them feel one of those ways. I’m not sure how you took anything I said to relate to you – maybe I used the pronoun “you” in a way that was not clear – if I did, I meant it in the general sense, as in “someone” or “a person”. I don’t even know what aspects of your behavior you think that I found shameful or disgusting – that was not the case at all – I was not speaking personally. I feel really REALLY terrible. I sincerely apologize from the bottom of my heart, and I’m not trying to be obsequious. There is nothing that you have ever mentioned or that I’m thinking about regarding you that I find that way. Again, it was not my meaning or intention that anything I said be directed against ANYONE in particular – but in general, and I was talking about situations where someone does something and THEY THEMSELVES might feel badly about it later, and characterize it negatively in one of those ways. I have to tell you, and I hope you believe me, that I was just about in tears when I read your reply – the intentions you ascribed are SO not me. If you truly knew me, you’d know that one of the things that makes me feel about as badly as possible if for me to think that I have hurt someone or caused someone pain. I even have regrets if I try to “get back”: at someone who is causing me problems or grief, or has treated me with enmity. Sometimes I try to strike back and then feel badly for doing so. Please let me post this apology, and then when I have a few more minutes, attempt to try to explain what I meant. Again, nothing was meant to be personal and I certainly was not commenting on any aspect of your personal behavior. When I read your response, I was mortified. I read it just before a 2-hour lecture followed by a 3-hour lecture, and the fact that I couldn’t respond immediately and at least TRY to set things aright was exceedingly disturbing to me and I found it very difficult to get through those five hours. I don’t know what more to say before trying to explain what I had meant in such a way that I hope you can see was not meant to be taken personally at all, and was not meant as a commentary on you, or any behavior – I don’t even know what behavior you might be thinking that I thought was shameful. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am SOO very sorry to think that anything I said caused you hurt or pain – I’m feeling quite miserable if it is any consolation. I’m still about to burst into tears even now – I don’t like making people feel that way – especially not people I like or care about or feel are my friends in one way or another. I really have developed a kind of affection for you guys – for Chris, Adam, yourself – we may not always agree on certain points, but I have found a bit of a community where I can share my beliefs and not to too harshly judged if I tell aspects of my personal story that I would not share anywhere else. You guys help me to feel a part of something in my generally rather isolated social life right now. I appreciate the comments and replies you all have made to me and the interesting discussions, and the times you have tried to help and offered a consoling word or message. I have gotten to the point where I have been thinking of you guys as far-away friends, with whom I can have lively discussions or bear my own heart and soul as therapy for me when I need to. To tell you the total honest truth, I really don’t know how what I said was interpreted so personally, or that it was thought that I meant or intended anything to be a comment on your behavior or any particular person’s behavior. There was nothing that I meant to characterize as sordid or disgusting or shameful. I was talking purely theoretically, about situations where a person might do something foolish that is regretted later, especially of that person does something that he or she is ashamed of, or later SELF – CHARACTERIZES that way. I was saying that, because of doing a lot of thinking ahead of time, I have been lucky that I have never found myself in that kind of situation, at least sexually speaking, but that maybe that was a bad thing in retrospect, because I never had a lot of fun either. I will try to explain more soon – please know that I am sincerely sorry and there was never any intention that anything or any characterization was directed at you or anything you’ve done, or anyone here specifically. I am sorry to my core that something I said was taken that way and made you feel like that. Even if I do have a few issues with myself and my sense of self-esteem, in other ways I’m pretty solid, and I wil tell you that I am one of the most honest and sincere and empathtic people you are ever going to meeet – and when I say I am feeling terrible and miserable and shedding some tears at the moment, you can take my word on the truth of that. I feel just awful and my stomach is in knots. I really like you guys, even if, as I said, there may be some conflicts of opinion – I would never say anything like that intended to characterize you or anything you did in such a way. I was talking about how people may sometimes characterize thing that they themselves might later find shameful, I don’t know what more I can say at the moment. I’m still mortified and feel torn apart inside. I never meant to hurt you or make you feel bad in any way. Please understand this. I will try in a subsequent post to explain things further. I am so sorry if I used a pronoun that made you think that I was referring to you personally – or ANYONE personally. Let me know if there is anything I could possibly do to make you feel better! An apology card, flowers, candy? I never EVER meant to say that anything about you or any sort of actions on your part were sordid or disgusting or shameful – and I am feeling like hell thinking that I somehow said something in such a way that could be interpreted as such, especially at the expense of someone for whom I have developed an APPROPRIATE fondness – including your knowledge, your intellect, your eclecticism, your heart, your compassion (maybe you don’t see it in yourself too much, but from your many comments it is there). I am sick with my own disgust if I have made any of you guys (even unintentionally, feel so badly. I will have to go over what I said again to find where any other misinterpretations might have been. I sincerely apologize for saying something in such a way that led you into such interpretation. I humbly ask for your forgiveness and belief in what I say here that the characterizations that you feel or thought I made where TOTALLY not intended in any way shape or form, and nothing was meant to personally characterize and particular person or any action.

          • Steven K.

            When I said I didn’t end up in any sort of sordid or dangerous or disgusting situation, I NEVER meant to say that you guys did – **I** wasn’t judging it that way – I was just saying that I never had any experiences that I felt that way about afterwards – that I myself characterized as such, though there are some references that have been SELF-characterized by others as experiences they feel badly or ashamed of or rather wouldn’t have happened. I was not making that judgement on anyone’s behalf – was just talking about situations where someone self-assesses, after the fact, that it was something that made them feel like that. I was just saying that, because of the thought that went into any “encounters” or meeting anyone, I was lucky enough not to have ended up in one of those types of situations that you (that one) often hear(s) about (and that a couple times in college I heard from my own friends about) where you (I mean SOMEONE) finds that they did something shameful or regretful, or that may even sicken them to think about afterwards. Like waking up in the morning to find that you (I don’t mean “you” personally” ) are in bed with someone that one would have never even considered getting intimate with, but under the (theoretical ) use and influence of certain substances, you (one) ended up in that situation of having done something with someone that, in the light of day and sobriety, one would feel quite repelled to be with, and, because of that, feeling rather dirty or ashamed. I’m not, or never meant to, characterize anything you (this time I mean you personally) may have done that way, though there might be some things that you yourself self-identify as things that you would rather not have happened – I don’t know. There are lots of things that I’ve done that I wish I hadn’t, or that I feel terribly about (making you feel badly – as unintentional as it was – or causing you to think that I was referring to you personally as doing things that I find objectionable – would be an example). Anyway, as I was saying, there are certainly lots of things I’ve done which I regret, but fortunately not many involve awkward sexual situations that I for some reason have to reveal, or getting intimate with someone who I, “in the morning” found rather terrible. Lots turned out to be assholes, so maybe I wasn’t the best judge of character, but I never found myself lying naked to someone I was mortified to think I had slept with and done erotic or sexual things with. And I don’t mean to suggest that such a thing has happened to you. – I have no idea, but I have heard of such things happening from time to time.

      • Adam Black

        He dated a supervillain. Thats going to be hard to spin.

        It will raise the obvious question to his teammates that if Duncan hadnt betrayed him so fast would he still be siding with him.

        Do you really think he can keep this a secret? There are probably security camaras that show them together. Plus telepath commander.

        If he lies about it ( including thru omission ) and gets caught, as he inevitably will, he will rightly permanently lose their trust.

        If he’s completely honest, he has the luxury of giving his story and gaining some sympathy.

        He’s supposed to be a Hero. If he can’t stand the heat for making a mistake or the shame of screwing up, then he should quit.

        “he certainly doesn’t need the Commander lecturing him and bitching him out, etc.”

        Of course he does. He put the entire in Danger. Regardless of the reason that needs to be put right so that can’t happen again. His dishonesty lead to this.

        Besides, if he is dishonest he can’t be trusted. He could be blackmailed all over again to keep it secret.

        • Totally agree. No half truths can be anything but bad for Kyle at this point. Only strength can get him through this. (of course, easy for me to say)

        • Valja

          Yeah! Well said!

        • Steven K.

          Oh he fucking DOES NOT!!! How is that going to help him and teach him what he doesn’t already know by now? You think he is not strong enough (or doesn’t have the strength of character enough) or not a hero enough to learn and know all that without being told. And I’m also sorry but – lets just blame the victim for FUCKING EVERYTHING!!! Kyle did not put the entire world or whatever at risk. Duncan did that. That is the biggest load of victim-blaming I’ve ever heard.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            I didn’t see anything in Adam’s post that was victim blaming, Steven. There is a difference between saying “you asked for it” and having suffered enough yourself to know that it’s best to let pain and humiliation out so it can’t bite you in the ass. With Kyle it’s especially tricky because he is, whatever he ends up being, more than mortal and registered as such. ANY connection to the Annihilator could get him put in JAIL if someone spun it the right way (I would not want to see the inside of the super version of guantanamo, thx). He needs to come clean NOW, not later, if he wants to live the life he set out to live before this all happened– being a hero. Hiding what happened, adding more nails to his closet door, is not going to help keep the monsters out. It’s going to put him and potentially everyone he cares about in a coffin long before their time because this is the world he lives in. A world where your thoughts aren’t your own, people can manipulate reality at will, and the government keeps book on everything you do because you might turn out to be a monster.

          • Steven K.

            Adam says “Of course he does. He put the entire [?] in Danger. Regardless of the reason
            that needs to be put right so that can’t happen again. His dishonesty
            lead to this.” It IS tricky with Kyle. I don’t say he should hide all or most of what happened, but that certain aspects don’t need to be given away. But even if he does tell the bigger things, what guarantees are there that he WON”T lose his position on the team, or be put away – maybe there are rules that, given what he did, he MUST be – they’ll think he can’t be trusted, whatever the extenuating circumstances. We all think the answer is so simple but it’s not. I actually am in partial agreement with a lot, but not in total agreement with everything. Because that world is so crazy (like our own), we can’t expect that the repercussions will be at all fair or justified. He has to be very careful who he tells and what details each knows. If things got out publicly, in tabloids, his career as a hero might be over anyway. Maybe the public would never trust him. Of course, what if, hypothetically there was a loving relationship between Kyle and Duncan, and they were not afraid to express THAT publicly, and then that public may not trust Kyle, but through their actions together, and aided by the love and support of and for one another, they could prove everyone wrong (but still plenty of opportunities for conflicts and creative solutions on the way through all that). I should be making these comments when I have more time to express things better and have had more sleep so that I’m even potentially ABLE to express things better.

          • Steven K.

            Hey guy – sorry for the yelling and the swearing!! I shouldn’t have been so testy! For some reason all of certain aspects of this discussion jut hit a nerve with me. I don’t know why certain things bother me so much. I’ve had a really bad half-dozen days, physical and personal life taking turns for the worse, no sleep at all last night, very little sleep the last few days, etc. But I still shouldn’t let things affect me so much – but maybe due to my own pain I’m overly sensitive to that of others, and just REALLY don’t want to see poor Kyle have to go through more drama and hurt than he needs to right now, and I just don’t think he is so sure that everyone is going to be so accepting in as many ways as they should be. How can we expect all his friends and superiors to be as empathetic and understanding as Sonny – to actually think that he “did nothing wrong” – even I don’t think that, though I don’t think that it is all his fault and don’t hold him ultimately responsible – 90% or more of the blame in this situation is on Duncan. If Kyle truly did nothing wrong, as sonny says, then why should he be held accountable – why should he be shipped off in irons? I think there are about as many mitigating circumstances as one could conceive, but not all forces and authorities will see things like that.

      • I realize you’re saying that it would be awful to see Kyle hurt further at this time, by any of those things you suggest above. I get that.

        However, he doesn’t have to reveal ‘intimacies’. It’s not necessary to describe the ‘thingie smushing’ in intimate detail. and I suspect no one will really want him to, but maybe us. But, his real strength will only found by facing the hard truths of his actions as it’s all more complex than his 18 year-old head yet understands. Taking in the truths of what he did wrong (not trust his friends, etc… ?) and taking actions that left him open to becoming a very unwilling accomplice to Duncan’s plans (whatever they actually were). Those truths will help him grow. It’s hateful that it’s our biggest failures that stick with us and in the end help us improve the most.

        As we hypothesized before… perhaps if he’d confided in Spooky… a safety net could have been created… allowing him to pursue this self-discovery, but not be completely vulnerable. Who knows? That’s a lot of what if-ing.

        At this point, he needs to take the fair heat from the Commander and his team-mates AND he needs to tell those who give him unfair gay-heat to F*CK-OFF… That’s what coming out of the closet IS. It’s learning to stop letting people’s unfair opinions of gay-you have power over your behavior. It’s the sneaking and lying that always creates the most trouble.

        Coming out was hard, but everything got exponentially better. I do understand there are reasons as a teenager for some to delay, but everything in my life got better after coming out. I hope it does for Kyle too.

        • Steven K.

          Ahhh…ummm…so you’ve ALWAYS blabbed about every awkward or ill-fated or unwise or unpleasant or unsatisfying or generally bad sexual encounter you’ve ever had to your friends and the people in charge where you worked?? You never hid any of those from anyone? You never thought that some things are private enough not to tell anyone, even though they may have resulted in bad experiences that you indeed “learned things” from? I don’t mean to be confrontational about things, but I think a lot are being just too severe on Kyle and what all he HAS to reveal. I’m sure he’s just learned and still will learn a whole HELLUVA (forgive the pun) lot even if he doesn’t reveal all the details. Maybe to a trusted friend or 2, maybe to his psychotherapist, maybe certain details about Duncan’s plans (maybe he was really good at infiltration and spying). Not coming out to everyone all at once – not coming out to your friends and colleagues at or before 18 is not “sneaking”. When you are totally afraid of people’s reactions – if you have already lost your family and don’t want to lose your friends, it may take a bit more to be ready to risk those friendships. I think Kyle was still in the process of accepting HIMSELF – give the poor kid a break – it takes time to become accepting enough to them tell everyone else and be confident enough in their reactions will not be to reject you. You can’t pontificate about when someone should come out – that all young gay men should be out to friends and colleagues before 18 – it is not the same for everyone – every body’s circumstances are different, and we shouldn’t pre-judge. I pretty much knew I was gay since around 10 or 11, but I didn’t tell another human soul until I was around 17. These days society is a bit more accepting, but you still have plenty of tales of bullying and hate crimes, etc., etc. And we don’t have a great amount of detail on the kind of community Kyle lives in. No way he needs to give all the intimate details – especially to all his work colleagues and superiors.. I bristle at the statement “at this point, he needs to take the fair heat from the Commander and his team-mates”. I wouldn’t put myself through a lecture and bitch-out session from her or anyone else. So, again, you told your boss and your colleagues at work all about your erotic encounters that went awry (or even those that didn’t)? Don’t you think he KNOWS what he did wrong?? – more than anyone else could because it is he himself that is suffering the pain from it. Tell me ONE SINGLE thing that the Commander is going to tell him and lecture and yell at him about that you think he DOESN’T ALREADY KNOW HIMSELF at this point. What are her words going to do in any sort of way that is going to help? What you are saying , then, is that he needs, for some reason, to be verbally punished and also shamed by his boss and his colleagues and friends. Yeah – that’s just what he needs right now on top of all else. If you can tell me how that is going to help him, I’d love to know. I think he already has learned his lessons more acutely than you seem to think, and is already suffering the consequences and there is nothing that anyone would tell him about all his actions that he doesn’t already know now. Besides, his team-mates don’t know all the circumstances that led him to make the choices he did – and there are some aspects of those that are very private as well and don’t need to be blabbed to people whom he may not feel comfortable telling. How has e already NOT “learned his lessons”. Oh – he just needs some good beratement and shaming to drive those lessons home – that will do oh so much more good than the hut and trauma he’s been feeling and is being put through. At least you agree that he doesn’t have to share all the intimate details. Yeah – confiding in one close friend would have been nice, but maybe he was just not ready for that, and no one should blame someone for not being ready yet at any given point to come out to any given person. It’s a process. Other than the guy I went with (whom I met for the first time that same evening), I didn’t tell another soul that I was going to a gay-bar for the first time when I crossed that landmark. I was 18 – but I didn’t tell my parents I was going to the local gay club for the first time. I didn’t tell any of my close friends. Why was that SOOOO freaking irresponsible of me that I didn’t tell anyone about that. The things with Duncan are one thing, but you seem to imply a negative reaction that going into a gay club without anyone knowing is “sneaking”. Also, withholding information from people is not the same as lying – and you equate the two much more than I ever would. Not telling people certain things is not lying to them. Not revealing certain things is not the same as lying. Going into a gay bar for the first time is not usually the big horrific experience that you need to inform all kinds of people about beforehand in case something unspeakable were to happen. I think I was going to the local gay bar at least twice a week between the ages of 19 and 20, and my parents never knew, my “superiors” never knew – I didn’t think I was “sneaking” and “lying” because I didn’t tell certain people. Most dates that I went on, or encounters that may have possibly been planned – I didn’t tell my parents or even my friends. I still made sure that I behaved safely. I’m very sorry, but somehow this has all “hit a nerve” with me. I think some are being way too judgmental about what he should do or what he needs to do. It may not even be that he didn’t “trust his friends” per se. If you yourself are just getting used to the idea of being gay, how can you be certain that even close friends will be accepting (especially if you are just beginning to accept yourself). We already know Tsunami seems to be rather homophobic. If Kyle had heard such things or comments, why should he NOT be reluctant to tell his friends. Fearing rejection from someone you care about is not exactly the same as “not trusting” them. How can we always “trust” that someone will react to our secrets or very personal admissions the way we THINK that they SHOULD act? I;m totally in love with an already partnered gay man, but I have yet to tell him my true feelings after a few years of feeling this way, though not because I don’t TRUST him – he’s actually probably the most trustable guy I’ve ever met – but I still don’t know how things will make him feel.. I don’t want to upset him. I don’t want to make him feel upset, or uncomfortable, or threatened, or uneasy, or differently toward me as a friend, or that I have ulterior motives, or that I’m saying something with a thought that his circumstances should change once he knows how I feel, or that I’m wanting to upset his life with his current partner in any way (which would be totally untrue). But he might feel any of those things, which I wouldn’t want. I THINK (and hope) that, given his personality and character traits, he won’t reject me because I love him more than any guy I’ve ever met before, but because he is def, planning to live the rest of his life with someone else, is not looking to have someone else on the side, and may not even be one bit physically attracted to me even if he were single, I don’t know how my revealing these things is going to make him feel – and so far I haven’t wanted to risk his friendship. By not telling him, however, I don’t think I’m “sneaking” – I don’t think I’m “lying” to him when I don’t blab out all my passionate feelings to him. It would be great to have an actual, real-time, face-to-face,m give-and-take conversation/discussion/debate on all this. It would be easier. This is such a complex and complicated issue, that I find it difficult how you can see this as so “black-and-white” about what Kyle needs to do or say or tell, and that he needs to be verbally punished and then shamed and humiliated (or risk humiliation) by and/or in front of superiors, colleagues, and friends in order to “learn his lessons” and :”get what’s coming to him” for his naive decisions. I reject this notion totally. I;m sure that this big failure will stick with him and improve him totally on it’s own without needing the bitching-out by the commander and being shamed and verbally punished, and maybe being punished in other ways. What happened might be enough to be drummed out of The Young Protectors for all we know. If his actions violated the rules of the group/team, and the punishment is loss of his membership – should this happen? He needs to take his punishment, right. Being drummed out and losing his friends and team-mates – that way he’ll learn his lesson, right? Yeah – now being even more isolated, alone, ashamed – it’s all going to be for the best and help him grow – yep, now when the people in his life that he was closet to won’t even speak to him anymore. Why should they risk their own position by continuing to associate with him and risk admonishment for it? We don’t KNOW how they will react – they could be empathetic and accepting and do everything possible to try to help, or he could get kicked off the team and none of his former team-mates may even be comfortable associating with him after that. They might be reluctant to associate with him because they are now suspicious that, after such an intimate involvement with a supervillain, maybe he has joined “the other side”.. Maybe his team-mates might feel that he can never be trusted again. There are just SOOO many valid reasons why he should NOT tell certain things. We just can’t make all those decisions and judgements for him from afar. I could blather on all night, but I hope that y’all might at least get or understand some of the points I’m trying to make, even if you don’t agree with them

          • Gracious. SK, it is okay for us to see things differently. I’m sorry it is too late for me to reply to you fully, but I’ll just say this before turning out the light.

            I promise that all my statements were strictly about a hypothetical superhero, in a highly specific plot situation, presupposing him needing the trust and support of his team. That was all.

            None of it was ever a comment on your opinions or personal experiences re ‘coming out’ or the rightness of your personal choices. Nor was it any kind of suggestion that everyone comes out the same way in RL or that there aren’t an infinite number of choices all gays must make about their specific lives, families, geographical areas and safety.

            You know absolutely that I wouldn’t wish Kyle one more bit of pain and misery than necessary and my sense of humor is the armor that helps me to keep enjoying this webcomic and not become too swept away by the angst inherent in the journey.

            As I said in referencing coming out to my mother last of all things, I made many many mistakes in coming out of the closet. Things I would do differently, with today’s hindsight. Different choices that I believe would have made my teens much better. More honesty would have been one. That said, I do believe when one can be honest and be themselves, even if hard, it is better in the long run. But that is just my personal real life hard-learned opinion. Nothing more.

            I respect that you and others will have a million differing viewpoints about what works or has worked best for them, and I wish you and them well.

            Just please know that I’m discussing far-reaching what-if scenarios, about a character named “Kyle” in the AU of a webcomic named “The Young Protectors.”

            This is the second time that sharing my opinions on this evolving artwork has triggered someone’s unhappiness. I am sorry for that, but I am also being honest.

          • Steven K.

            Hey – I’m sorry too – it just seemed like everyone was ganging up on me – not necessarily willfully – and I certainly felt like an outlier and that some felt my opinions were silly or stupid or without merit – almost like they were saying – “God, it’s so obvious what he should do – for the sake of the further safety of the whole world cuz if he doesn’t, the planet is doomed, and this kid needs to suffer more to learn his lesson – Steven, how could you POSSIBLY think the way you do about this situation”. I never meant to suggest that you had any sort of malintention, and I don’t want you to think that I do. For some reason this particular issue just got me riled up – maybe I felt backed into a corner – I felt compelled to give some of my resoning why I felt the way I did about it so that maybe some understanding could be forged, and maybe I wouldn’t seem myself like some naive unsophisticate or some immature immature fellow who has no conception of what the “adult” thing to do would be for Kyle. I’d say you are, and always have been, the gracious one. This is going to sound weird, under the circumstances, especially since I truly know you hardly at all, but I’m rather quite fond of you (in an intellectual and quasi-emotional way) and your writings and opinions – you are very witty and awfully talented (though maybe there is some internal conceit here in that, as your views usually – in the case of this tale – mirror mine pretty amazingly closely, enough that I feel a kinship with you in certain emotions and reactions, though in other aspects of your real-world experience I unfortunately cannot relate because I have never been as lucky in a lot of the interpersonal arenas as you – or maybe even the majority of people here – which increases my sensitivity). Your response above was/is deeply appreciated. Can I hug you now? (I promise not to grope, out of respect for your bf, but I can’t promise that I won’t surreptitiously try to check out and experience your sexy armpits, esp. if you are in a tee or tank.)

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            Yeah, what Chris said. 🙂
            I’m not as verbose as Chris, but I hope you didn’t feel that I was being dismissive either. My comments were about this particular situation in the comic and not real life situations. I feel that as a superhero, Kyle needs to be honest otherwise he will be subject to blackmail from others. And I know you think his teammates might make it real rough on him if they find out that he had sex with Duncan, but in comics superheroes are very strong mentally and physically.

            Have you given it any thought that if Duncan is not as nice as you think he is, he could blackmail Kyle into doing more things for him or he will reveal that they had sex? In my opinion Kyle needs to come clean and not be in a vulnerable position. He needs to take charge and not remain in a position were he could continue to be victimized. He should deal with the consequences, and whatever happens, happens.

      • OK. There are some interesting ideas being talked about in this thread, but while many are doing an excellent job of maintaining the “tone of respect for other commenters” that is part of my comment policy in some cases that is clearly being lost.

        Before anyone else comments, I will remind people that this comment section is a venue that is about discussing this comic and its themes and its purpose is to be fun and illuminating for those participating. And so, to create that space, everyone is expected to keep it about the ideas and to go out of their way to make it a pleasant experience for the other commenters, especially when there is disagreement.

        Even if we feel we are in the right about what is happening in this fictional story, it is never, ever OK here to deliberately post something with the intention of making another commenter feel bad — be that provocative humor to “get a reaction” or a “scolding” or anything like that.

        If you feel you have been personally attacked here or that someone has posted something clearly inappropriate, then email me directly and I will look into it. But if it becomes clear that a commenter is using this space to directly make another commenter feel bad about what they think or feel, whether they feel they were “justified” or not by what the original poster has said, they will be asked to go.

        Disagreements are totally OK here. Treating the person you disagree with with anything less than a tone of respect is not. If you are feeling emotionally triggered by what someone has said, then please wait until you calm down enough before you post to ensure that you are using a sincere and clear tone of respect. Or, if that’s not possible, then please bow out of that particular thread without comment and move on.

        Again, overall, I’m very pleased to see that the majority of folks really do seem to be going out of their way to use a tone of respect, even in a heated thread like this one. In fact, most of you are doing a great job with that. I just want to make clear where the line is before someone crosses it. 🙂

        • Steven K.

          I just sent the following reply to sonny – I sincerely am not sure what happened or how some statements I made may have gotten mischaracterized – nothing I’ve said was never meant to reference someone personally or their actions – and I certainly never meant to suggest that I feel that ANYTHING about anyone here is sordid disgusting or shameful. I am posting the reply again here, since I unwittingly and unintentionally find that I have have made someone feel badly, and want everyone to know that the characterizations that were felt that I had made were about as far from my intent as I can possibly say.

          To “sonoftheatomicbiscuithead”:

          Gosh – NO!!! PLEASE – I am so so so sooooo sorry – I didn’t mean ANYTHING personally – I was not talking about anyone in particular – I was speaking theoretically about something that a person experiences that he/she SELF-IDENTIFIES as being negative or makes them feel one of those ways. I’m not sure how you took anything I said to relate to you – maybe I used the pronoun “you” in a way that was not clear – if I did, I meant it in the general sense, as in “someone” or “a person”. I don’t
          even know what aspects of your behavior you think that I found shameful or disgusting – that was not the case at all – I was not speaking personally. I feel really REALLY terrible. I sincerely apologize from
          the bottom of my heart, and I’m not trying to be obsequious. There is nothing that you have ever mentioned or that I’m thinking about regarding you that I find that way. Again, it was not my meaning or intention that anything I said be directed against ANYONE in particular – but in general, and I was talking about situations where someone does
          something and THEY THEMSELVES might feel badly about it later, and characterize it negatively in one of those ways. I have to tell you, and I hope you believe me, that I was just about in tears when I read your reply – the intentions you ascribed are SO not me. If you truly knew me, you’d know that one of the things that makes me feel about as
          badly as possible if for me to think that I have hurt someone or caused someone pain. I even have regrets if I try to “get back”: at someone
          who is causing me problems or grief, or has treated me with enmity. Sometimes I try to strike back and then feel badly for doing so. Please let me post this apology, and then when I have a few more minutes,
          attempt to try to explain what I meant. Again, nothing was meant to be personal and I certainly was not commenting on any aspect of your
          personal behavior. When I read your response, I was mortified. I read it just before a 2-hour lecture followed by a 3-hour lecture, and the
          fact that I couldn’t respond immediately and at least TRY to set things aright was exceedingly disturbing to me and I found it very difficult to get through those five hours. I don’t know what more to say before trying to explain what I had meant in such a way that I hope you can see was not meant to be taken personally at all, and was not meant as a
          commentary on you, or any behavior – I don’t even know what behavior you might be thinking that I thought was shameful. Nothing could be
          further from the truth. I am SOO very sorry to think that anything I said caused you hurt or pain – I’m feeling quite miserable if it is any consolation. I’m still about to burst into tears even now – I don’t
          like making people feel that way – especially not people I like or care about or feel are my friends in one way or another. I really have developed a kind of affection for you guys – for Chris, Adam, yourself – we may not always agree on certain points, but I have found a bit of a community where I can share my beliefs and not to too harshly judged if I
          tell aspects of my personal story that I would not share anywhere else. You guys help me to feel a part of something in my generally rather isolated social life right now. I appreciate the comments and
          replies you all have made to me and the interesting discussions, and the times you have tried to help and offered a consoling word or message. I
          have gotten to the point where I have been thinking of you guys as far-away friends, with whom I can have lively discussions or bear my own heart and soul as therapy for me when I need to. To tell you the total honest truth, I really don’t know how what I said was interpreted so personally, or that it was thought that I meant or intended anything to
          be a comment on your behavior or any particular person’s behavior. There was nothing that I meant to characterize as sordid or disgusting or shameful. I was talking purely theoretically, about situations where a person might do something foolish that is regretted later, especially of that person does something that he or she is ashamed of, or later SELF-CHARACTERIZES that way. I was saying that, because of doing a lot of thinking ahead of time, I have been lucky that I have never found myself
          in that kind of situation, at least sexually speaking, but that maybe that was a bad thing in retrospect, because I never had a lot of fun either. I will try to explain more soon – please know that I am sincerely sorry and there was never any intention that anything or any characterization was directed at you or anything you’ve done, or anyone here specifically. I am sorry to my core that something I said was taken that way and made you feel like that. Even if I do have a few issues with myself and my sense of self-esteem, in other ways I’m pretty
          solid, and I wil tell you that I am one of the most honest and sincere and empathtic people you are ever going to meeet – and when I say I am
          feeling terrible and miserable and shedding some tears at the moment, you can take my word on the truth of that. I feel just awful and my stomach is in knots. I really like you guys, even if, as I said, there
          may be some conflicts of opinion – I would never say anything like that intended to characterize you or anything you did in such a way. I was talking about how people may sometimes characterize thing that they themselves might later find shameful, I don’t know what more I can say at the moment. I’m still mortified and feel torn apart inside. I never
          meant to hurt you or make you feel bad in any way. Please understand this. I will try in a subsequent post to explain things further. I am so sorry if I used a pronoun that made you think that I was referring to you personally – or ANYONE personally.
          Let me know if there is anything I could possibly do to make you feel better! An apology card, flowers, candy? I never EVER meant to say that anything about you or any sort of actions on your part were sordid or disgusting or shameful – and I am feeling like hell thinking that I somehow said something in such a way that could be interpreted as such,
          especially at the expense of someone for whom I have developed an APPROPRIATE fondness – including your knowledge, your intellect, your insights, your eclecticism, your heart, your compassion (maybe you don’t see it in yourself too much, but from your many comments it is there). I am sick with my own disgust if I have made any of you guys (even unintentionally, feel so badly. I will have to go over what I said again to find where any other misinterpretations might have been. I
          sincerely apologize for saying something in such a way that led you into such interpretation. I humbly ask for your forgiveness and belief in what I say here that the characterizations that you feel or thought I made where TOTALLY not intended in any way shape or form, and nothing was meant to personally characterize and particular person or any action.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            I had a longer response, but shitcanned it. It doesn’t matter. In dubio pro reo. There but for the grace of god.

            I forgive you. Let’s move on.

          • Steven K.

            Thank you. Someone suggested I might be so emotional lately because I’m on my “man period”, a la: “I’ve heard guys get those sometimes. Just minus all the pain and gore.” I’ve taught anatomy of one sort or another for 24 years now, and have never heard this, but maybe with all the “hormone disruptors rampant out there in the environment these days, I’m becoming affected. Or just the stress of a crazy life right now.

    • Denise Cruz

      I hadn’t thought about it, yet… But it’s true! huummm…

      Oh, well,after having a demon’s huge claw on his chest, see a big freaking eyeball in the sky and some part of hell and don’t even be able to scream, I don’t think he’ll care too much about it anymore…

      I’m much more worried about they thinking that he can be betraying their trust or something like that… That would be horrible! Poor thing!

      • Adam Black

        All he did was secretly date a supervillain, why would they think that?

        • Denise Cruz

          The point here are the words: ‘supervillain’ and ‘secretly’.
          Why would a young hero date a supervillain? Especially one so much older than him.
          Even worse if he is “The” supervillain.
          Everybody knows how manipulative villains can be and how naïve, dreamer and manipulable can be any teenager…
          They could think that Kyle was in love with Anni. (Wouldn’t be so hard. He was never involved with anyone else, as we all know.) So, all that the supervillain needed to know, the boy could be telling him. >~<

          • Why would a young hero date a supervillain? Especially one so much older than him.”

            1) Have you seeeeeen Duncan?.
            2) He’s HOT.
            3) He’s unbelievably sexy.
            4) He’s smart and funny in that incredibly alluring way.
            5) He’s acting like his ‘super-villain’ days just might be over.
            6) I’m super young and sexually denied.
            7) I’m desperate to get my rocks off and not incinerate anyone.
            8) Duncan give’s great date (pre-hell anyway).
            9) Did I mention I’m young and sexually desperate?

            Anyway, I’ve made ‘a’ point anyway… Personally I dated so many less obviously sexy men as I learned to figure ‘it’ out, that the WHY of Kyle dating Duncan just isn’t hard for me to accept at all. Heck for a shot at Duncan in bed, I’m might have agreed to the hell-visit at 18. But as I’ve said before, I’m with Sonny in the local chapter of Douchebags In Recovery, so maybe it’s more understandable.

            And I didn’t even mention the Montrachet… oi.

            Best,
            ChrisD

          • Denise Cruz

            Oh! I definately agree with each and every one of your motivations! I would date him even now, if I had the chance! lol

            But, his teammates maybe can have some sort of … difficulty in understanding this, once they don’t know that Kyle’s gay and also don’t know how enchanting and alluring our Duncan can be.
            They only know the Annihilator. They know nothing about Duncan.
            Do you understand what I mean?

            And… unnn… Montrachet?! O.o (WTH?!)

          • You are quite right, his team mates will only understand the Annihilator via Kyle’s explanation… I hadn’t thought of that. Hope he’s a convincing 18 year-old.

            Montrachet 1978 is the impossibly good wine that Duncan serves him at dinner… (guessing) page 115? It’s the kind of wine that there is probably a limited number of bottles left and goes on auction for the very rich… but I’m guessing… you’d have to Google it to know for sure. Needless to say it doesn’t come in a box, so I don’t have any around the house. 🙂

          • Denise Cruz

            Oh! Montrachet! (Thanks!)
            That old fox!
            The kid wasn’t even born at that year! He didn’t even know about cheap wines, let alone one like that!
            Anyway.. Let’s hope he can, at least, explain something understandable about all that happened between them… It’s not every day you see a 6 feet horned demon, a flying eyeball, the Annihilator naked… all at the same night. lol

            Hey! And if his teammates think he’s getting crazy?
            Think about it: Would you believe if someone you know tell you he/she saw Laampros, (with this name), George, (try to explain about it), and the flaming hell (don’t even try!) with his/her own eyes and came back from there?!

            I don’t think so… lol

            Poor Kyle! He’s SOOO screwed!

          • Steven K.

            Sorry, but no one is ever going to convince me that he needs to tell and explain about “ALL that happened”.

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            Steven, it would be best for him to come clean to his team. If he lies to them (by omitting certain parts of the story) and they later find out, they will have a hard time trusting him. They won’t know if he is keeping other stuff from them.
            He can explain that because he’s gay and can’t have sex with anyone because he’ll set them on fire when he has an orgasm, he placed himself in a vulnerable position and let his guard down. He can then tell them about how much he wanted to be in a love relationship and that the Annihilator who is fire-proof found out and used it against him to trap him and use him, etc. He doesn’t have to disclose that he had sex with Duncan, but they will probably know. They can put two and two together.

          • Literally.

          • Steven K.

            Ummm…yes, he can/could explain that – but put yourself in that position for a second – do you think that you’d be able to go through all that kind of personal admission with THOSE particular details, to your close straight buds and your female boss? They still might not trust him, they might not believe him – he’d go through hell wit no guarantee that he’d be better off than before, and might be worse off – there is no way to predict. I understand what y’all are saying – truly I do – but it’s not that EASY, and in a complex world, it just isn’t that black-and-white.

          • Denise Cruz

            I also don’t think he needs to, Steven. But, to explain some things to them, he’s probably gonna need to tell much more than only the things he’d like to… It’s a awkward situation that he can’t avoid, unfortunately.

            Well, at least, he doesn’t need to tell them that Anni and he ended up into bed together. It’s too private, too intimate. It’s not going to change anything for them… I think… 🙂

          • Steven K.

            Couldn’t agree more! And except for the supervillain part, I kinda fit that description you gave of Duncan (see – it’s not that I’m all THAT lacking in self esteem) but I’m still waiting for my young, naive, hot, adorable, Kyle-like virgin – or an 18YO-horny-ChrisD-reincarnation. I don’t have any Montrachet 78, though I do have 3 rather quite pricey bottles of Chateau D’Yquem.

          • Thank you kind sir, but trust me in this… go with the Kyle model… way, way, cuter. An asbestos condom and you’re good to go!

    • A big upvote because I love your avatar.

      • Arthur Dent

        LOL! Thanks Admiral Jane.
        I love the show because it was hilarious on several levels, even for adults.

    • Amanda

      Simply look at them and say, “it involved full contact nudity, that’s all you need to know.” These are teenage boys, they’ll get it.

  • davefragments

    What if Duncan in his grand scheme to gain immortality, dies? That would be tragic in a very Greek and Shakespearean manner.

    • Klaus

      Live forever or die trying.

    • Denise Cruz

      Nope! Don’t even think about it! O.O NO! no! nO! Nope!

  • SofiaT

    I don’t think Laampros has had such good entertainment in centuries, possibly millenia. I bet he wishes he had some popcorn handy.

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      My feeling is that Laampros is going to let it play out to see if he can gain an advantage.

    • Nope, indeed not. Someone get Big Red a chair. Maybe some red vines and a soda.

    • Valja

      Ahahaha you’re right!! Laampros, if you let me sit beside you and watch the scene without being nuclearized, I’ll bring the popcorn and something to dri- oh, well, I guess almost every drink would evaporate down there *depressed*

  • Alan Michael Williams

    Ah, cool. The creators added the detail of the glove incinerating! Thanks, creators, for closing the “realism-gap” in my head…. although, my focus on the need to show the glove incinerating when there’s an onlooking giant eyeball is kinda funny in hindsight.

    • SofiaT

      And Kyle has two legs again.!

      • Jakk Anthony Guzman

        YAY! Whew! lol. The case of the mysterious disappearing and re-appearing leg. Some new power of Kyle perhaps?

        • Denise Cruz

          lol If it’s really the case, maybe he can disappear with that key and make it re-appear in his own bedroom! lol

    • Oh so I’m not wrong in the page had changed 🙂
      I wondered if I remembered wrong, and just didn’t notice the first day.

  • Jakk Anthony Guzman

    Is it my imagination, but now that Kyle has two legs it looks like he may also have a, err, ahem, something between them?

    • You go Jakk!

      Interpret every shadow and flicker of flame as a glimpse of Kyle’s not-so-little super hero and I’ll follow right along. Alex doesn’t need to know that for all his pages, there is NSFW version archived in my pervy head. 🙂

      • Denise Cruz

        LOL You are unbelievable, guys! LOL

        • Now youuuuuuu… don’t pretend you didn’t enlarge a few of those images of sexy Duncan. Neither one of these guys is hard on the eyes. I think Duncan even checked out Laampros’ demon-junk at one point.

          You can take a man out of the bedroom, but you can’t take the bedroom out of the man. LOL.

          • Denise Cruz

            LOL — Breathless — LOL

            You’re unbelievable, Chris! And this is your best quality! =D
            Oh, I did! I got a cushion with ‘DAT CHEST’ on it!
            Too bad it isn’t finished yet!
            I believe Laampros checked out everything he could and, what he couldn’t,George did! lol
            Duncan isn’t any saint, too…
            And I think Kyle couldn’t speak all that time, not because of the spell, but because he swallowed his own tongue when looked at all that in front of him! XD

            Oh, God! I think I’m talking too much, here! lol

            About the bedroom: Good point! Well… too bad they had none at hell, isn’t it?! LOL

    • KryX

      I also concur that we have a sighting of Kyle’s thing-a-ma-bobble. You have some good eyes there.

      • LOL. I prefer the clinically correct term ‘pyro-penis’.

        • KryX

          I like “little fireman” as well.

        • Jakk Anthony Guzman

          Never cared for the word “penis”, reminds me of the word peanut. Not a good mental image.

  • AliceVenturi

    You go, Kyle! I like Duncan, a whole lot, but he is very clearly not the hero of this piece (though I hope he gets his shot at redemption!) He currently deserves every bad thing that is likely to happen to him in the near future. But there’s still the problem of Kyle actually being effective in thwarting Duncan’s evil plans. Kyle does not lack for enthusiasm and truly righteous indignation; the question is, can he stop Laampy and Duncan without getting his cute little self smooshed into a grease spot?

    And I love the Eye: “Hey! Hey! There’s something going on over here! Let’s ogle the cutie while we still can!”

  • Denise Cruz

    Am I the only one who has felt the absence of Alex here?
    Or has he appeared and I have not seen him?

    • SofiaT

      No, you’re not the only one. He’s been very busy these last few weeks and he is certainly being missed -but, hey! We still get our bi-weekly pages, even though he often has to miss on some sleep to make sure we get them on time! 🙂

      • Denise Cruz

        Oh! I feel bad about he being missing sleep! Hope he doesn’t get sick or anything like that…

    • If you look about, he is up-voting folks. So, he’s definitely around, even if busy.

      • Denise Cruz

        Yeah! I think you’re right! I’ve just missed seeing him here! ^^

  • Jakk Anthony Guzman

    On the first panel Kyle seems to to by lying on a stone slab. I don’t think it’s still the bed, that would have burnt down already. So I was thinking since Duncan prepared ahead of time, maybe he had it as part of the bed and just had a mattress on top of it with a bed ruffle skirt to hide it. Everything that was inside the circle got transported with them, so that might explain it. Otherwise it would be too convenient for Kyle to disappear on top of a bed from his universe and reappear on top of a stone slab in another dimension.

    • Martha Stewart’s “Altar of Hellish Destruction” Collection.

      • Jakk Anthony Guzman

        Chains included?

        • The matching ones, yes. But if you want a selection of colors you have to pay extra. 🙂

      • dereule101

        Damn, when they called it Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia, they really meant omni.

        • OMG… that is SO true. Thank the Powers That Be that she and Oprah are arch enemies or they’d rule the Muliti-verse! The horror… oohhhhh… the horror.

          • dereule101

            It wouldn’t be Duncan ruling North America, it’d be Martha. Marth America.

            And Europrah.

          • Kyle SAVE US!!!!

          • dereule101

            But it’s a Good Thing®! Don’t you want to live your Best Life®?

          • HA

          • Steven K.

            HA! Good one.

    • Steven K.

      Good points and suppositions.

  • Interpolation

    Whoa! Duncan got burned? I thought he was supposed to be fire-safe. Is this because Kyle, because hell-fire, or something else?

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      Most likely Duncan is getting weaker the longer he stays there, while Kyle gets stronger the longer he stays. Kyle is probably drawing the energy/fire all around him. And that place is full of it.

  • A2MOM

    I read “cookbook” as “cock block”…..

    So Annihilator’s arm is toast and he dropped the key, does that mean the big Red guy’s terms have been met? Can he just pick up the key now?

    I really like this plot twist with Kyle literally standing up for himself, bravo!

  • A2MOM

    Now, the art:

    It looks simple, but it is really difficult to draw fire and make it look good. It looks fantastic here, and the flames coming from Kyle make him look furious.

    Contrast that with the curls of smoke coming from Duncan’s burned hand, a very subtle rendering that has an almost 3-D look. Ouch! I was going to say you can almost smell it, but we’re talking burnt flesh here.

    The angle of both Kyle and Duncan’s heads as they look at each other in the last panel is also hard to do, and looks great.

    But of course, the best thing is that sneer on the demon’s face from page to page; ha ha! How can a guy with a smirk like that be all bad? 🙂

  • Tina

    WOOHOO!! I CAN CAMP TONIGHT! I got the cider!

    • Valja

      Yayy!! 🙂 There’s room for me as well? I’ll bring marshmallows! Lamproos or Kyle will provide the fire xD

      • Tina

        Do you have long sticks too? I’d rather not get too close to Lampy. He’s a little bit too touchy feel

        • Valja

          Awww poor Lampy… can’t you see he only wants affection and hugs? He must feel lonely down there, always on his own with that creepy flying eyeball… I’m sure that’s the main reason he wants to go to Earth that badly. Hugs and sweet, tender, lovely thousands of souls who will keep him company.
          Forever.
          *shivers*

          • Tina

            Uh huh. Sure. And my uncle is Sephiroth.

          • Valja

            That name causes even more shivers down my spine, so ok, I’d better curb my imagination or I’ll have nightmares of Seph becoming friends with Lampy…

          • Tina

            Be even worse if Sephiroth and Lampy decided to switch who they tormented. So Lampy went after Cloud and Sephiroth went after Kyle. They’d. Be. Screwed.

          • Valja

            Wait. I just thought of something. What if Lamproos is Ifrit’s long lost relative? They do look alike. Starting with all the fire thing. And horns. Didn’t Ifrit have horns?

            By the way, I’m seriously imagining the scene now. I’m sure Sephiroth would think first thing: “Oh great. Another young lad. At least this one doesn’t have a sword bigger than hi- *looks at Kyle’s uncovered lower parts*… well that, as a matter of fact, could be called a very dignified sword”.

            See? Look at what you’ve done! You’ve awakened the dirty part of my mind! Sigh…

          • Tina

            So I probably shouldn’t mention how popular CloudxSephiroth is then huh?

          • Valja

            Oh, don’t worry. I already know.
            Wait, wasn’t that the other way around? SephirothxCloud? Cloud on top would be so… so….
            Hmmm. So interesting as well.

          • Tina

            Does it really matter? Guess that makes sense whoever’s name comes first tops but I always went with whatever sounded best. CloudxSephiroth has a nicer ring to it than SephirothxCloud

          • Valja

            *lost in unspeakable daydreams*

          • Tina

            *pokes with Sephiroth’s katana*

          • Valja

            Now the question is a must. Which katana are you referring to? Depending on the answer, I could emerge from my fantasies screaming with fear or -well- screaming anyway but with joy.
            ….I guess I should get some sleep.

          • Tina

            I think you’d be screaming in fear anyways if Sephiroth’s “sword” with six feet long

          • Valja

            …you have a point, definitely.
            Now my sleepy mind leads me to this curious scenery: Sephiroth and Lamproos, in the middle of Hell, comparing their measures.
            With the most nightmarish element, the flying eyeball, with the role of the judge.
            And Kyle as the girl who walks among the public interviewing random people and showing the “applause” signboard.

          • Tina

            Only if Kyle gets to wear a little cocktail dress will I accept this most excellent scenery

          • Valja

            I was thinking of a schoolgirl costume with bunny ears, but the cocktail dress should be fine.

            And then suddenly Duncan bursts into the room – oh well, the whatever-there-could-be-in-hell – and with a mocking laughter takes off his pants and panties.
            And all Lampy and Seph manage to say is “Holy crap” (and from the public a voice screams “That’s exactly what I said!”).
            And Duncan with one of his fast movements reaches the voice from the public, grabs Kyle and picks him up, bringin him away with him between thunderous applauses.

          • Holly

            *whine* stop insulting george!

          • Valja

            Ahahah I only now understood who George is! (I’m still kind of new to this comic, compared to all of you)…
            I’m sorry but if I were in Kyle’s shoes I wouldn’t be that scared of a giant red powerful demon with horns and a passion for Earth domination and destruction, as I would of a flying big eyeball in the middle of nowhere.
            I guess I must have suffered some sort of trauma in my childhood regarding eyeballs. Honestly I’m quite glad I don’t remember about it.

          • Holly

            DID YOU JUST ALL MY DARLING GEORGE CREEPY?! How DARE you?! *glares at Valja. George glares with me. we glare together. always*

          • Ha!

          • Tina

            Look! A wild author has appeared! Catch it! Catch it! *throws poorly drawn poke ball at head*

          • Holly

            For the record, yes. Yes it is my goal to amuse Alex at least ONCE per comments.

          • It was you that summed up Laampros’ feeling on the last page, yes? That he hates The Annihilator so much but it’s a good deal so whatevs.

            I’m still chuckling about the way you put that. 🙂

          • Holly

            Yup. And yay!

    • Holly

      Normal Cider or hard cider?

      • Tina

        Strawberry cider

        • Holly

          O_o

          • Tina

            Its good

          • Holly

            So like Apple Cider with strawberry or….

          • Tina

            I dunno. Just tried it at a party the other day and loved it

          • Holly

            *gives you distrusting looks*

          • Tina

            You can trust meeeee ~said the spider to the fly

          • Holly

            Tina are you trying to capture me like Sapfo does?!

  • Steven K.

    Apologies to everyone for my long rambling and emotional comments lately – for some reason, I’ve just been feeling EVERYTHING like 10X normal lately. Maybe it’s all the stuff they are putting into and taking out of my blood.

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      I didn’t feel insulted by you, Steven. I know you felt you were the only one feeling that Kyle shouldn’t reveal the sex part, and everyone else felt differently. And you can disagree with me all you want. I can take it and dish it right back. 😛
      I hope your health improves and you feel much better.

      • Steven K.

        Thanks Jakk. And I feel badly that I (unintentionally) made Sonny (SOTABH) feel badly from a comment I made that he took the wrong way and seemed very hurt. Maybe I should just clam up for awhile.

    • Tina

      Maybe you’re on your man period? I’ve heard guys get those sometimes. Just minus all the pain and gore

    • Valja

      I don’t think I’m one of those you’re apologizing to, because you didn’t offend me in any way at all 🙂 I replied to your posts here and there, and I’m sorry because I was often kind of stuck on my opinions, but to tell the truth I really enjoyed the debate – you look very deeply into things, share accurately your pondered opinions and can be very sympathetic towards the characters – I began to evaluate highly your judgement.
      I don’t know what you’re going through, but I hope you’ll feel better as soon as possible 🙂

      • Steven K.

        Thank you V, that’s very kind. Now just stop wanting to see Kyle tortured even more 😛

        • Valja

          Ahahahah ok I promise 🙂 I’ll be good from now on 😉

    • Denise Cruz

      You’re always as nice as someone could be in each one of your comments, Steven! I don’t think you would offend someone on purpose through one of them. No way!

      About the stuff being put into and taken out of your blood, I don’t know what is happening with you, but I hope you can feel much better as quick as possible. I really do! (crossed fingers)
      Meanwhile, we are here to make you laugh or to get into great discussions with you, if you need it, all right?
      Take good care of yourself, handsome! 🙂 And stay around.

      • Steven K.

        Aww – thanks Denise! Maybe I’ll also get to smile some more if Kyle gets to burn Duncan’t hair in the new page.

        • Jakk Anthony Guzman

          Or vaporize his costume! :-O

        • Denise Cruz

          LOL You are so mean to my honey!! (Come on! You knew I would fight for him! )
          Just keep it in mind: When a kid behaves so badly, she gets some slaps on her butt! (It would work well for both of you! XDD)

  • Holly

    So i am unsure if I can camp tonight. I have an interview at noon -04:00GMT. But I slept all day today because I had a medical test early in the morning that made me sleepy. So I may or may not make it to the post.

    • Is it a job interview?

      • Holly

        Yeah. I had an interview Saturday for a job, and she was supposed to call back Monday. She did not. I was going to do follow up today, but I slept from 1pm to 9 something. I MIGHT try calling to follow up tomorrow.

        This interview is for a seasonal job. But at least if i get it I have time to find more work. ^_^ Still I’d rather a permanent job.

        • Oh sure, but at least it would be something in the meantime. Still got my fingers crossed.

          Medical test? Are you okay?

          • Holly

            Last October I had my Gallbladder removed. Shortly after I had tummy issues, that I assumed were just a side effect of the surgery. However, despite a lot of diet change, still have issues a few times a month. So I’m having tests.

            Today was tummy X-rays. The prep for that is….not fun. And the contrast used for the X-rays is…not fun. Though not as painful as they warned me.

          • Well I hope whatever it is isn’t serious. 🙂

          • Holly

            See that’s how to phrase it. Everyone else keeps saying they hope the x-rays come up negative. but that just means they won’t know what’s wrong. so MORE TESTS.

            I have a feeling the more tests they run the more invasive they will become.

          • Yeah, negative tests don’t tell anything. I had a friend with Crohn’s, and it’s true that some of those tests can be invasive. So I hope this gives some answers.

          • Holly

            Thank you friend! I made the mistake of looking up what the x-ray tests for, and kind of freaked myself out.

          • Sometimes Google is not our friend.

          • Holly

            TRUTH!

          • How many times have I looked up strange symptoms and made things worse… 😐

          • Holly

            OH I never look up symptoms. That is just asking for heartache. I just looked up what the test searched for…

          • That’s probably why the doctor didn’t say anything?

          • Holly

            Yeah maybe….

          • You know just a bite, not too much.

            Edit: wrong comment. Just one up.

          • Holly

            naw

          • Holly

            Majorly debating eating more food, but not sure if I should.

          • What are your choices of food.

          • Holly

            Well i was just going to have a peanut butter sandwich and some crisps with 1% milk

          • Hmmm, sounds yummy. So I’m no help

          • Holly

            yup. Just need to decide if I should eat or not

          • well you could eat a small sandwich.

          • Holly

            how does one make a PB sandwich smaller?

          • Only use a half piece of bread?

          • Holly

            oh yeah…naw

          • It was a thought

          • Sapfo

            No peanut butter sandwich. But I know how to party hard.
            BRING OUT THE 1,5% MILK! That´s the stuff!

          • Holly

            WOW Too rich for my blood.

            Did you know here in canada they came out with 1.5% and 0.5%? The 1.5 didn’t sell well though.

          • Sapfo

            We have 0,1%, 0,5%, 1,5% (and I wrote the wrong one before) and 3%.
            1,5% is the one that sell best.

          • Holly

            Skim, 0.5%, 1%, 2%, Homo.

          • Sapfo

            When I was younger I drank mostly 0.1%. But nowadays I drink most of my milk with some coffee;)

          • Holly

            I loathe coffee. but then again I am a SUPER TASTER.

          • Steven K.

            Oh I know – some of that digestive prep is awful on your system for awhile. My sympathies with that – hope you can get things resolved soon – I know what a drag having some chronic health issues is like.

          • Denise Cruz

            I hope you can find out what is happening to you and get better quickly, Holly! Chronic health issues are always a pain in… well, you know. I also know about it very well… Let’s hope that the annoying tests won’t be necessary anymore…

            About the job interviews: Good lucky, girl! I’m sure you’ll get a good one tomorrow! 😉

          • Holly

            mmm yeah, but like I said. I don’t really want to get a seasonal job. It just leaves me in the lurch come January.

          • Denise Cruz

            Maybe you end up finding a better job through the temporary one… It happens all the time, here! 🙂

  • Holly

    All those who insult George are my enemies. *pour some Clear Eyes on George* He looked bloodshot.

    • Tina

      Makes me think of the game IB

      • Holly

        IB?

        • Tina

          A very weird yet cool pixel horror puzzle game. One of the puzzles you have to drip some eye drops on an eyeball sprouting out of the floor to reveal a secret passage way

          • Holly

            ….okay

          • Tina

            Like I said. Weird game.

          • Holly

            Seems that way!

    • Ellen Harman

      I’m lost. Who is George?
      The only George I know is King George (our naughty cat). Thinks he is King of the house and can do as he pleases.

      • Holly

        George is the Giant Floating Eyeball. He has a last name but I do not recall it.

        • George Finnegan Edwards.

          • Holly

            *sings* There was an eye name Georgie Finnegan
            Down in Hell he’ll watch you sinnegan
            He really hopes Kyle will Winnegan
            Yay for Georgie Finnegan,
            Begin again.

            To the tune of Michael Finnegan

          • HA!

          • dereule101

            Nicely done.

    • Sapfo

      Holly, may I pet him? ¤_¤ *Big puppydogs eyes*

      • Holly

        You can’t pet an eyeball…

        • Sapfo

          If you’re not squeamish

          • Holly

            You’ll hurt him. Touching eyes hurts

          • Sapfo

            No I wont, I be gentle I promise -_-

          • Holly

            It’s up to George. Or Alex

          • Sapfo

            YAY! ^_^
            You can hold my puppydog-eyes and I take care of George.

        • davefragments

          it’s like petting butter, think squishy, ploppy noises

    • silibub

      Maybe it’s because I’m drinking but I feel a kinship with you over this. You and your affectionate protectiveness of George, and me carrying my ill-advised torch for Sircea. Oh, characters. *blows a kiss to George*

      • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

        I think “George Finnigan Edwards” is Sircea’s eyeball. She’s got one of those crystal balls to tell fortunes and do seeress stuff with in the Something Brewing print. She’s using it to spy on Laampros and Duncan because why the heck would anyone who knows Duncan trust him?

        • Holly

          no…. i don’t want George to belong to PP. T-T

          • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

            I just thought it would be funny if the “camera” pulls back from the scene and they’re all really itty bitty and Laampros’ “kingdom” was the size of a snow globe and Sircea is squinting at them thinking, “What the heck are they doing in there?”

        • silibub

          That would be interesting! Granted, the eye color doesn’t match Sircea’s. I figured George was Laampros’s means of observing what goes on in his hell-realm (hence nothing happening there unless he “allows” it).

        • davefragments

          Laampros said that nothing happens in this place without him knowing of it — hence George sees all

          creepy

          • Holly

            yes! George belongs to the hell dimension. Not Sircea!

  • *snuggles down in sleeping bag like a caterpillar* :3
    Le camp

  • Tina

    *yawns* I really did want to camp tonight but my eyes are barely staying open as is. I’ll be back in a few hours! Enjoy the new page if it comes up!

  • Let’s play a camping game. We can…make up a story word by word. Or role-play. Or initiate newbies in the creepiest way possible. Or post Alex’s name a bunch of times so he’s all freaked out when he gets on.

    • Holly

      Alex is on. But okay,
      Once

    • Nice try. But George has already told me what you’re up to…

      • Drat. That watchful traitor. I’ll get you one day Alex!

        • Holly

          George is VERY LOYAL. To alex

          • Wait. I get it.
            The whole story makes sense now.
            Alex is the God of this world of George’s. He’s controlling it all. But he likes Kyle so he’s letting him escape.

          • Holly

            Creators do tend to be God….

          • …I’m tired don’t give me that look lol

          • Holly

            My brother likes to say “Don’t look at me in that tone of voice”

          • LOL I’ll have to use that one.

          • Denise Cruz

            Isn’t cute that Alex also calls it ‘George’?!

          • Holly

            It’s because Alex loves us all and is amused by our zaniness in relation to his creations.

          • Denise Cruz

            Yes! Exactly!
            I think it’s so cute! He’s very nice to us!! ^v^

      • Denise Cruz

        Yay! Hi, Alex! It’s nice to see you! We have missed you, here!! 🙂 (I know! Too much work! I do know that! ^v^)

  • Xalun K

    I’m going to try to camp, but BOO, I may not be able to stay up late enough. But I’ve got marshmallows either way, and Kyle’s got the fire. If I can’t stay up, y’all are welcome to them. 😀

    Hi Alex!

  • I’M HERE! Made it in time for the camping even with light savings time interfering with the timezones 🙂

    • Danish! 😀 AGH I didn’t realize HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!

    • Sapfo

      Good to see birthday-Wolf!

      • Thank you 😀

        • Holly

          BIRTHDAY WOLF! It sounds like a present!

          Happy birthday

        • Denise Cruz

          Happy Birthday, DWolf!! 😀

    • Happy Birthday!

    • Thank you all for the b-day wishes 🙂

      • Happy Birthday Wolf… Howl loudly, you deserve a great one. I hope there’s a prowl or two involved!

    • Xalun K

      I did not know it was your birthday… Happy Birthday!!

    • Happy Birthday, Wolf! So glad you’re part of our community here! 😀

      • Thank you very much, Alex, I enjoy being so.

    • silibub

      Oh, I missed this! Happy Birthday!

  • davefragments

    I just had a thought. Did Duncan plan for a way back in case the deal went bad?

    Or did Duncan plan to come back in the passage with Laampros?

    What if he wasn’t depending on Kyle to get back?

    • Interesting. Other than having to activate the other key, I would say going through with Laampy

      • Holly

        Yeah I’m sure PP could communicate with him cross dimensionaly. Oh Merlin, Kyle is going to get them stuck.

        • Do they have cross dimensional walkie talkies?

          • Holly

            I don’t know. I imagined a floating mirror portal thing.

          • Aw, but I wanted cross dimensional walkie talkies

          • Holly

            *pats head* if Alex doesn’t have them I will put them in a page of Altered Fates. If i ever bloody figure out how chapter one starts.

          • Okay, I guess. *pout* I just wanted them now….

          • Holly

            AJ IS A SPOILED!!!!

          • At least I wasn’t kicking and holding my breath.

          • Holly

            a spoiled isn’t always a brat

          • Yay!

        • davefragments

          yep!
          Kyle is one PO’d lover… Hell hath no fury?
          So it will be interesting to see how long this little fuss in front of Laampros goes on and it will be interesting to see what Laampros does with both of them

          Bear in mind that there are 2 chapters left, so we know they do get back.

          • Holly

            2? I thought there were 5 chapters. This is chapter two so wouldn’t there be 3 left?

            Also, Why does no one know the first have of that quote.

          • davefragments

            I can’t count tonight, sorry

          • Holly

            Okay. here’s 5 smores *gives dave one*

          • davefragments

            I”m craving sweets, too.

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned,

          • Steven K.

            😀

  • LL

    y’all are cute, camping out for the next page!

    • We are not cute. We are fierce!
      Rawr.

      • Sapfo

        Oooh Your so cute when you acting like a tiger:

        • Okay I can’t make the image work but it was a baby tiger going “rawr!”

    • Holly

      Was that compliment or talking down?

      • LL

        Definitely a compliment! I love dedicated fans. 🙂

    • Denise Cruz

      Your picture looks cute, too! (Although, I don’t think Alex would call us ‘cute’… Insane or persistent or even demanding, maybe. lol)

  • How self serving would it be of me to post my deviantart link just because?

    • Steven K.

      I’m all for deviant art.

    • Holly

      If turn out to be a good artist, I will bother you constantly to draw my comic which doesn’t technically have scripts.

    • Woo, no angry comments. Here: http://amaya-redfern.deviantart.com
      😀

      • Holly

        Tis good! And I shan’t harrass you

        • Lol thank you, and I wouldn’t mind, but I”m too busy with school anyway.

          • Holly

            I assumed as much. Plus it’s not the style in my head. LOL

          • I didn’t think so. Most comics are more “animated” if that makes sense.

  • Sapfo

    Danish, Holly, How can I distract you today?

    • Holly

      It’s DW’s birthday. You should not distract

      • ^This LOL

      • Sapfo

        But she wants me to…. Right Danish?

        • The strawberries are already doing it. I’m hungry xD

          • Sapfo

            And they are so good! ^_^

          • *stomach growls* You meanie >.>

          • Sapfo

            You can always swing by and get some. That would be a distraction 😉

          • Holly

            The strawberries are GOD now?!

          • Alex is going to be quite upset.

          • Sapfo

            Typo. But then God in Swedish is Good
            (not to be mistaken for anything religions)

  • Steven K.

    Was peeking in on one of the other web comics y’all have mentioned, and there was an “ad” for the YP that showed Kyle and Duncan kissing. Over Kyle it said “HERO”, over Duncan it said “VILLAIN”, and at the bottom it said “IT’S COMPLICATED”. I thought that was very cute.

    • Let me guess.. Teahouse? 🙂

      • Steven K.

        Yes – though it didn’t turn out to be, dare I say it, my cup of. Looked like one of the male characters was starting to help one of the female characters out of her dress, so I didn’t stick around too long.

        • Linneus is a guy XD ..very androgynous, but a guy.

          • Sapfo

            Yes, Linneus is a dude XD
            How likes his sparkles

          • Steven K.

            Well, even if androgynous is what you want to call it, then that was an androgynous guy in a dress.

          • Denise Cruz

            LOL

          • And it wasn’t a dress, but a shirt and skinny shorts xD

            Maybe you’d like one of the other pairings better.

          • Sapfo

            If he didn´t means Lilith

          • Steven K.

            LOL – blousy shirt?

          • Steven K.

            I think I’ll stick to Kyle and Duncan, even with their “issues” – lol.- at least I’m not confusing their genders yet.

        • Holly

          Yeah that is a man…

        • GingerChris86

          You should Try it from the start – its really good. Alot of M-M Action

          • Steven K.

            I’ll take that under advisement.

          • Steven K.

            Are there at least some male characters with furry chests and armpits?

          • The big guy you saw, Gilder 🙂

          • Sapfo

            I wonder if Ash have armpit hair?

          • Maybe he shaves them off, like Axis do.

          • Sapfo

            Gilder!!!

          • davefragments

            me, I”m hairy and I’m a character.

            😉

          • Steven K.

            Yes you are.

    • Denise Cruz

      Did you see? Complicated can be good, sometimes! lol Why not? O.o
      (If Adam or Cris see it, I’m practically dead! lol)

    • Alex Q

      That’s actually how I found this comic, that exact ad was on something else once, and I figured I’d take a look. Very pleased I clicked the link and checked it out, because now I am hooked.

      • Sapfo

        The big three: TYP, SF and TH. Would be a dull week without them.

    • Xalun K

      Yeah, I found Artifact through one of the other sites, and then YP through Artifact (same page and all, heh). I’m entertained by some of the ads on these sites. 😀

  • Page is almost done baking. Up soon. 🙂

    • Sapfo

      Yay for Alex and all the others.

      • Denise Cruz

        YAAAAYYYYY!!!

    • I should say something witty and inspiring in response to this…but all I can do is squeal and faint. Kinda like this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbGyCZxNLJw

    • Alex Q

      *Makes the refresh button break*

  • jreed3842

    Woo-hoo! I came at just the right time! Just Finished my homework and decided to start camping, and Alex says the page is almost up. It’s been a good night, folks!

  • davefragments

    I’m watching one of those Mike Holmes fixes the bad renovation show and the contractor that screwed up the renovation put those plastic troughs in the attic to let the air move and his workmen (I use that word loosely) shot 2 inch staples through the foam trough and out through the roof. Think $10 worth of staples caused a $10,000 roof repair.

  • Steven K.

    Well, as long as we are remarking on random things, isn’t (the somewhat recently newly out) Wentworth Miller just to die for? Has my vote for one of the hunkiest hottest guys on screen these days. And now officially a club member!

    • Steven K.

      He can just bring on over Zachary Quinto to my place and we’ll all get snuggly and comfortable.

    • silibub

      Very handsome! Actually I think he’s a good real life analogue for Deacon (from Artifice.)

      • Denise Cruz

        He would certainly make a great Deacon!!

    • My dream man is, and has been for the last 16 years, Hugh Jackman <3 There's just something about him that makes all of me go *hnnngg*
      That man is all hubba hubba *deep sigh*

      • jreed3842

        My dad totally has a man crush on him, lol.

      • davefragments

        I said a few times in the past that if I’m reincarnated I want to come back as Harry Connick — handsome, jazz-playing and growing up in New Orleans. What else is there in life?

      • Denise Cruz

        Agreed! He’s insanely HOT!
        I also like Mads Mikkelsen! Those eyes make me purrr …lol

  • Steven K.

    Of course at some point I wouldn’t mind a boring page for once, just so I wouldn’t have to spend good chunks of the next several days furiously commenting.

  • davefragments

    it’s up

  • Holly
    • Steven cheated.. distracted me with the only thing that could make me forget to refresh.. thoughts of Hugh Jackman ;-p

      • Holly

        Cheated you on your birthday! How dare he!

  • I am excited to see what Kyle may be capable of doing 🙂

    Looks like he some how hurt Duncan.

  • Jac

    “You know you can’t hurt me, right?”

    Like hell he can’t

  • Curt Clark

    Yay for heroic resolve. 🙂 Also, this was EXACTLY the payoff I was hoping for when I first read this.