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The Young Protectors: Engaging The Enemy Chapter Two—Page 40

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So! It sounds like The Annihilator’s plan is a little more involved than just handing over the crystal ball and collecting eternal youth. Will Laampros go for it? Or will he make a counter-offer and claim Disneyland and its Magic Kingdom as his own?

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  • Sapfo

    KEEEY, COME TOO MEEEE!!!

    • *LOL* I fell asleep sometimes after 4am, woke up a couple minutes ago just in time to see Alex’ message.. but I was SO sure I’d be late to the race.
      And we three (You, Holly and I) update in the exact same second, but you got it. Your comment didn’t even register at me until after I refreshed, it was that close.
      *hugs Holly now*

      • Sapfo

        Danish, one of these night you have to start sleeping earlier 😉
        And I was first, the order of the universe is restored. Do this mean I get the Holly?

        Hope your feeling better.

        • I am. Fever is gone and managed to do a load of laundry and do a quick shopping for groceries today. That was as far as my energy went, but that it progress 🙂

          • Sapfo

            It do sounds like you had a virus. Well it will take some time before the energy is back. You should just sit back and let me take all the virgins until then 😉

          • Maaaybe.. but what can you offer me in return. If must be sufficient.
            (Taking notes from Laampros, learning fast here)

          • Sapfo

            FOOD?
            A shine chapter 5 spec?
            Cookies?
            Snowboard?
            The Holly?
            YOU ARE NOT GETTING THE KEY!

          • Holly

            WHY AM I GIFT WRAPPED IN A BOX OF PRIZES THAT SAYS FOR DANISH?!

          • Sapfo

            Sch! Gifts don´t talk!

          • Holly

            *has a bow slapped over mouth. glares*

      • Holly

        … When I posted Sapfo didn’t even appear. It was you and I DW at the same time but I was before you. I really thought…. *is hugged.*

        • For me it was the other way around. Sapfo’s didn’t appear for me as well until the refresh, and mine showed up a split second before yours. That’s why I know we all posted within the same 1-2 seconds.

          • Holly

            Well disqus said you and i posted at the same time, even though I appeared first. But now I am third and sad.

        • SofiaT

          When I posted no one was there. I could see my comment but nobody else’s. Then I refreshed and there you all were. Disqus takes a while.

    • b3nc0

      Surely, you meant: “Accio Key to Paradise!!!”

      • Sapfo

        Pufff, harry potter is just fantasy. This is real b3nc0 😉

        • b3nc0

          Erm, sorry orz

          Guess I’ll just go & hide in my invisibility cloak ;°p

          • Sapfo

            No, no, no! Invisibility cloaks are real in this world too. But that’s only because they are so freaking cool XD

          • I decided to skip the invisibility cloaks. I can’t even find my car keys, and they’re visible all the time… I’d NEVER find my cloak.

          • Sapfo

            Keys! What Keys?
            *Pull on invisibility cloak*
            Muahahaha!

  • Anni, you bad boy!

  • Holly

    I DID IT!

    I LOVE the way Laampy looks in the final panel. Now I just need to stare a bit and make theories.

  • SofiaT

    At least now we know who the sow is…

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      As if there was any doubt. At least I didn’t have any. lol

      • SofiaT

        Me neither. But it’s nice when things are explicit.

    • Holly

      Well it’s obvious that Anni meant PP, but lampy could have phrased it weird so loophole it so she gets nothing

  • Allyne David Marins

    Another great page T3T Thanks for the hard working <3

  • davefragments

    AND one more thing — Kyle

    • Holly

      hah Like anni will ask for Kyle.

      • davefragments

        Perhaps spooky will summon Kyle like a small demon

  • Go ahead Laampy, take it, I dare you.

  • Ali

    Laampros doesn’t look happy. I hope he spits on Duncan’s offer and Duncan is forced to take Kyle and leave. I doubt this would happen, but I just want Kyle out of there NOW.

    • Steven K.

      Yeah – I do too!

  • jreed3842

    Wow… Laampros’s eyes in the final panel is just chilling. The art work is stellar (as usual!)

  • Holly

    SO happy I live in Canada. I feel so bad for all the Europeans. You guys might get Laampy, but you are also getting a HORDE of demons. So I do not envy you.

    Unless that horde includes incubi Then I might envy you. Just a bit.

    How is Duncan going to activate the other key? And does anyone else get a weird chill when Laampy calls Duncan’s negotiations “demands.”

    Finally, That is a great smile. I miss George!

    • Sapfo

      No, Alex promised that he remake them into puppies. He said so! But then again I am allergic to puppies so I prefer demons.

      • Holly

        The whole rest of the world overrun with these guys, right?

        • Sapfo

          Ooooh! Thats so cute. Can I keep him?

        • Sapfo

          Oh, more demon doggies ^_^
          I like this plane for the rest of the world. Sorry America, your on your own.

          • AWwwww damn

          • Holly

            I just had a delicious idea. But I don’t think the demon overlords would allow it. ^_^

          • Oh?
            Pray, do tell.

          • Holly

            An influx of people coming to the america’s to escape the demons/demon dogs/ whatever in the rest of the world. hehe

          • Sapfo

            I don´t really think I have to worry about Laampros or Duncan. When someone is taking over the world, they usually forget about my country.

          • Holly

            What country is that again?!

          • Sapfo

            I don´t know if I can trust you… you might tell Laampros

          • Pfft, if she doesn’t, I will. >_>
            <_<

            I am the worst spy ever.

          • Pfft, if she doesn’t, I will. >_>
            <_<

            I am the worst spy ever.

          • Holly

            Yeah most spies don’t announce that they are spies.

          • Holly

            Yeah most spies don’t announce that they are spies.

          • Holly

            Why would I tell Laampros?!

          • Holly

            Why would I tell Laampros?!

          • Sapfo

            Oh your right why would you… but you can´t tell anyone, you understand…..Denmark! (totally straight face, not even blinking)

          • Holly

            OKAY ^^

          • Sapfo

            (phu, Holly seems to have bought it)

          • Holly

            You are not from the Denmark?!

          • SofiaT

            *cough* Sweden *cough*

          • Holly

            >_> What a nasty cough you have Sophia. Here have some tea. *gives tea*

            >_>

          • SofiaT

            Thank you, tea sounds lovely.

          • Sapfo

            Sofia T are you alright? do you need a glass of water? that cough do not look good.

          • Adam Black

            Everyone the knows the Second thing you do when you get to Paradise is put on a good cooking show:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaNewoyc8fU

          • Sapfo

            That´s better then most of the tv cookingshowes out there 😉

          • Adam Black

            Is it true he speaks actual Swedish, in Sweden?

          • Sapfo

            LOL, no his is not! At least not understandably Swedish.

          • Adam Black

            That’s a damn shame.
            ( because Swedish Chef Swedish is the second language of most American Children )

            You guys will just have to learn it.

          • Sapfo

            Nej, jag tycker de kan lära sig svenska på riktigt 😉

          • Adam Black

            That isnt real. There isn’t a single “orjah borgha boo-gah ” in that .

          • Sapfo

            Hey, you come here and say that to my face. I really need a good laugh 😉

          • Holly

            Here this will make you laugh!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnaOHLhTQNg

          • Adam Black

            “Nej, a borgah jag tycker oogah de kan boorga, borga borga, lära sig ojah booga, boogah, boogah, svenskaooojah på riktigtborga ”

            There now, its in Swedish Chef swedish.

            But American children will only be able to recognize it

          • Sapfo

            Oh my, It might be better for you to get Duncan. You would never survive Laampros.

          • Adam Black

            I’ll tjake that bet— No, wait…

          • Sapfo

            Well, whats it going to be? The hot red Laampros? Or the cool icy Duncan? (^_^;)

          • Adam Black

            ( who’s uncut ?… kinda into docking you see )

          • Sapfo

            Well, that part of the anatomy have not been shown yet. But for you they are of course uncut. So you can dock to your heart content.
            Laamros however is a little bigger then Duncan. But Laampros is also a bossy bottom. Just so you know 😉

            (Is it disturbing that I actually know what docking is o.O)

          • Adam Black

            Then its going to have to Duncan.
            Laampros being a Bossy Bottom translates into into me having to wear a rubber glove—or a wetsuit

            ( Not at all. Saves a trip thru urban dictionary and Tumblr pages. Hmmm Maybe you want to peruse ..just to be certain. …

            Unfortunately i am unable to double-dock but hope one day to see it. )

          • Sapfo

            Well, I do wish you good luck in finding the perfect docking partner. (if you don´t already have one)
            I can not really help you on this front, seeing that I am female and a strawberry 😉

          • Adam Black

            Really??!!

            ( I had to look that up in Urban Dictionary )

            No good docking partners lately. But i haven’t really tried lately either.

          • Sapfo

            Finding good partners in general is hard.
            But then the last one how tried getting in my panties was married, quiet the turn of for me.
            Pity party! YEAH!

          • Adam Black

            Damn that is awful.
            I thought my story was bad. last Guy was sexy as hell, but broke in my buiding basement 3 days later, was arrested for squatting and theft and mentioned my name.
            and nearly got evicted over it.

            But I did get laid and got sweet pictures, so hearing your story makes me feel better.

          • Sapfo

            That was bad! Even if you did get laid.

            Mine was more like this.
            Man: My wife and I have an open relationship.
            Me drunk: Does your wife know that?
            Man: Do not tell my wife!

          • Adam Black

            Oh Ive gotten that type.

            “I live with me exbf ”
            Goes on date .
            Next week ” Oh, we broke up, I just havent told him yet”

          • Adam Black

            and you could say he was a strawberry too
            ( you should really check Urban Dictionary. That word may have meanings you dont intend )

          • Sapfo

            OH NO! Not the strawberry’s! NO, remember I am a Swedish strawberry, not a English one….
            (I will keep going around in this world, naive as I am believing that strawberry’s are just a berry and nothing more o.o)

          • Adam Black

            Well I thought that was a BOLD confession!
            ( what is a Swedish strawberry? )

          • Sapfo

            A berry you eat in the summertime, goes well with icecream or whipped cream. Or you could just eat them as they are.
            Very naive here!

          • Adam Black

            But.. but.. **YOU** said that you **were** a strawberry

            If that is swedish slang, I have no idea, either.
            ( Urban Dictionary said strawberry is like Cartmans mom . Hence my surprise )

            I am equally naaive… In English, “peach” is a more innocent metaphor.

          • Sapfo

            Cartmans mom! O.O
            There were so many different meanings for strawberries that I thought his eyes would fall out. From drug references to menstruation sex.

            I think I stick to Swedish strawberries, they feel safer.

            Do I really want to know what a peach is?

          • Steven K.

            Yeah – I’m still looking as well. That part of the (unaltered) male anatomy intrigues me almost as much as armpits.

          • Adam Black

            Its a numbers game. JUst ask everyone,

            Most of the guys who can dock have never tried—and want to now that brought it up.

          • True. A good lazy docker is hard to find.

          • Adam Black

            You can’t just go to macys and pick up an extra-large size hoody. You can stand around the dressing room and try…

          • Steven K.

            Oh – I can still call it docking (non-double type) even if both aren’t intact?

          • Adam Black

            That is really a difficult question to answer blind. It’s like answering you that you have knotted your tie correctly, sight-unseen. Obviously I can’t confirm you have tied a half-windsor on sight unseen. ( wink, nudge )

          • Steven K.

            🙂

          • Steven K.

            Except that Laampros might be able to dock his skin over Duncan’s entire body, esp. if he has a long overhang. Maybe a bit of an exaggeration, but almost not.

          • Sapfo

            That gave me a mental image I did not really wanted. XD

          • Adam Black

            its probably the best thing about him

          • well…this is going downhill fast-

            let’s go nuclear with “Shit I’d say too”

          • No.

          • Sapfo

            Two gay men have approved the knowledge I have. Yeah!
            but I can profit from this knowledge, besides talking with gay guys on the internet…. Erotic novels maybe?

          • Steven K.

            You are getting me rather hot and bothered with that comment. I’d be into that too, if I were lucky enough to not have unwillingly had my hood removed. Although, I still enjoy what I suppose you could call semi-docking, in those rare cases I’m lucky enough to find an uncut lad to explore with.

          • Adam Black

            Most of the attraction is just borrowing what you are missing.

            You have to find a collar that fully fits your neck properly. It gets cold in the winter

          • Adam Black

            Look up “restoration” . It is a thing.

          • Steven K.

            Oh – I know all about that – though for some of us, THAT would be more trouble than the likely results are worth. At the risk of “more-info-than-anyone-wants-to-know”, my “cut” is extremely tight – there’s pretty much nothing to work with.

          • *yep, laughed and snorted my drink, wasn’t pretty*

          • Does it have to be either-or? Can’t you warm things up with one and then cool things off with the other? Just curious.

          • Sapfo

            Are you looking to make a Duncan/Laampros sandwich with a Chris filling? 😉

          • Adam Black

            I am not sure who would

          • Holly
          • Adam Black

            Probably,
            ( wont let me play w/out flash updates )

          • Holly

            ah no you must update and see it! RAPPING SWEDISH CHEF

          • Here’s something that’s supposed to be “English”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMoK0focAFE

          • Steven K.

            Here’s some ACTUAL English:

            nu scylun hergan hefaenricaes uardmetudæs maecti end his modgidancuerc uuldurfadur swe he uundra gihwaeseci dryctin or astelidæhe aerist scop aelda barnumheben til hrofe haleg scepen.tha middungeard moncynnæs uardeci dryctin æfter tiadæfirum foldu frea allmectig

          • Adam Black

            I can watch these type of videos halfway through ( thee are many now ) before I notice its nonsense.

          • *holds hat in hand, head bowed* The state of music these days.

            Apparently this song was done in 1974 by an Italian who spoke not one word of english, just sang words he thought sounded like english.

            Charted all over Europe.

            *Rainbow shoots across the screen* The more you know…

          • I love Google translate.

          • Sapfo

            So do I ^_^

          • Adam Black

            That’s a damn shame.
            ( because Swedish Chef Swedish is the second language of most American Children )

            You guys will just have to learn it.

          • Holly

            I head that in Sweden you call him the Norwegian Chef.

          • Adam Black

            that’s funny.

            wars we started over less

          • Sapfo

            Not to me, he is known as the Swedish chef here to. I have not heard anything else.

            If I heard correctly, he is based on a real Swedish chef.

          • Holly
          • Holly
          • Sapfo

            Not to me, he is known as the Swedish chef here to. I have not heard anything else.

            If I heard correctly, he is based on a real Swedish chef.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7UmUX68KtE

            Just remember to turn on the Captions.

          • Adam Black

            they help a lot

          • Indeed. Finally being able to understand the Swedish Chef.

          • Adam Black

            He’s easy.
            Muppet linguists are still working on animal

          • Please give so we might all learn just what Animal wishes to say. Just call the number at the bottom of the screen *standard rates apply*

          • SofiaT

            No, thank you, I’m fine. Apparently just horrible at snitching.

          • SofiaT

            No, thank you, I’m fine. Apparently just horrible at snitching.

          • Sapfo

            WHAT! How told you?…. No I´m not from Denmark, but I do have a sibling relationship with Denmark.

            http://satwcomic.com/name-calling

          • Holly

            I see….

          • Adam Black

            I found America’s relationship there , too

            http://satwcomic.com/king-europe

          • Sapfo

            no, not going to happen. >_<

          • Adam Black

            Sapfo, Stop feeding my addiction.

            I spent another ten hours reading on http://satwcomic.com/boys-are-such-weirdos

          • Sapfo

            Oh your right why would you… but you can´t tell anyone, you understand…..Denmark! (totally straight face, not even blinking)

          • Adam Black

            Luxemberg? Malta? Cyprus?

          • SofiaT

            Luzemberg? Is that a country?

            Edit: unless you mean Luxemburg?

          • Adam Black

            SHH, don’t tell Laampros

          • SofiaT

            Who are you trying to protect?

          • Adam Black

            Liechtenstein of course.

            They’ve changed the signs, Nothing to see here, carry on

          • Guest

            Liechtenstein of course.

            They’ve changed the signs, Nothing to see here, carry on

          • Only someone sneaks in a puppy because they think they can train it to defend them.
            LITTLE DID THEY KNOW, the puppies are asexual and as it spawns more demon dogs, growing more powerful everyday. Laampros’ initial plan of infiltration has succeeded and he laughs loudly at his diabloical plan as the young, immortal villains watch their countries burn to the ground.

          • Holly

            Me: He followed me home? Why can’t I keep him?

          • CH

            That is seriously effin cute.

          • Holly

            EXACTLY!!! I am debating on having a baby hell hound in something I’m writing…

          • http://tinyurl.com/m53jl5p This is what you think will happen.

            http://tinyurl.com/jw7lzx3 This is what actually happens.

          • Holly

            But Fluffy is a loving furball of love to Hagrid! Thus, I am fine with that. ^_^ HE WILL BE MY MOUNT!

          • lol it was the most vicious one I could find without Hercules riding him XD!!!!
            You get my point though. 😛
            Also, that Hercules one made me lol

          • Holly

            I have not gotten the point. I have been told I can have a giant three headed wolf dog beast that I can RIDE! This will be awesome!

          • LOL NOOOOOOO!!!

          • Holly

            Give me six good reasons why not?!

          • 1. You are not Hercules
            2. Head number 1
            3. Head number 2
            4. Head number 3
            5. Dismemberment
            6. Asexual reproduction at alarming rates for an animal whose main course is human flesh.

          • SofiaT

            He responds very well to music though.

          • It would be my luck to draw the only deaf multiheaded dog in the post Laampros world

          • Holly

            I feel like the vibrations would soothe him…

          • I…my mind just went bad places…

          • Holly

            ….Bad Kinzie! NO!

          • IT’S GONE, I CAN’T GET IT BACK!!!
            NOOOOOOooooooooo

          • So he would like Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch?

          • Holly

            I think he would prefer Evil Vibrations instead of Good

          • STAHP

          • Holly

            VIBRATO VIOLINS! That would soothe it

          • Vibrato is definitely soothing on violins. When played on the right notes.

          • Holly

            aww I was trying to make you yell more about vibrations and us stopping. But how the vibrations never stop.

          • The vibrations in my head are a bit more naughty than violins 😉 Though I can make a violin naughty. I have a gift.

          • Holly

            I actually read a yaoi comic about a violin. It was good.

          • Holly

            I actually read a yaoi comic about a violin. It was good.

          • I… o_o
            I have not read that. I am now interested immensely.

          • Holly

            It’s in “Yaoi Hentail Vol.2” from Yaoi Press.

          • Ahhhh! I am so picky with the stuff I buy from them =x

          • Holly

            really?

            I got it as a gift. The whole set. I tend to only buy from June.

          • SuBLime is a good company.
            But yeah, I am SUPER picky about art and some of their artists are meeehhhhh.
            I really like the Winter Demon series and I have a couple of the singular books as well.

          • Holly

            See the thing is that in Canada we have trouble getting yaoi. but June is stocked by one of the major bookstores.

          • Ooooooh. Have you tried ordering off of sites like RightStuf?

          • Holly

            No. I don’t have a credit card.

          • Oh…Hm. Not even a debit card? That sucks…

          • Holly

            I have a debit card, but it only became avaiable to use online recently.

          • Well, if ever you find something you desperately want, let me know and I’ll send it to you. I used to do that all the time with my friend in Australia.

          • Holly

            YAY ^^

          • Adam Black

            if its bank Of ScAmerica throw it out. Trust me

          • Holly

            No it’s a normal Canadian Bank. They recently equipped their debit cards to work as Visa’s online. It’s nice.

          • I… o_o
            I have not read that. I am now interested immensely.

          • The vibrations in my head are a bit more naughty than violins 😉 Though I can make a violin naughty. I have a gift.

          • would it help if I said Marky Mark was evil?

          • Holly

            DO YOU HAVE ONE?!

          • An evil Marky Mark? Just tune into any of his interviews, the evil should just waft off.

          • Holly

            aww poor Mark Wahlberg. AJ is picking on him.

          • He will always be Marky Mark to me. ALWAY mwhahaha…

            *clears throat* where was I. Yes, he will always be Marky Mark. I had the t-shirts to prove it. No, wait, I still might have them packed away. Yup. Also the boxer shorts.

          • Adam Black

            I will never forgive him for not taking off his shirt in the Perfect Storm.

          • And why millions of folks went to his concerts. Heh, good times.

          • Steven K.

            I wouldn’t have minded getting into his shorts,

          • Steven K.

            Still cute though.

          • He was cute.

          • obvious!

          • I thank you for this. 🙂

          • Holly

            1) I am a full god, not a demi-god. HA
            2,3,4) All the heads will love me for I will raise him from puppy hood.
            5) See my earlier point
            6)….yeah good point. OOO I CAN SELL THEM. Then I can be the QUEEN OF CANADA!!!

          • GODDESS OF CANADA DON’T SELL YOURSELF SHORT!!!!

          • Holly

            Aww thanks ^_^

          • >=D

          • >=D

          • Holly

            …. I AM THE ONLY GODDESS YOU CANNOT HAVE MY THRONE! *eyes kinzie warily*

          • MWAHAHAHA LITTLE DOES SHE KNOW I HAVE ALREADY MADE MY HOME IN THE NORTHERN AMERICAS IN HOPES THAT ONE DAY I WILL CONQUER CANADA!!!
            >_>
            <_<
            I just yelled that, huh?

          • Holly

            Yes…. yes you did. *has moose cease you*

          • FUCK! Moosen!

          • Holly

            I leave you to your Moosey Fate!

          • *say Moosey Fate! say Moosey Fate!*

            Moosey Fate

            *YAAAAAAYYY*

          • Holly

            You see, at the end of this wormhole lies: A ROOM with a MOOSE!!

          • That’s not so terrifying.

          • Holly

            Oh, you’ll see. PREPARE YOUR BLADDER FOR IMMINENT RELEASE!

          • Adam Black

            And for that, you win the INTERNET!

            Not having the entire Internet in my pocket, I leave you with this gift:
            http://web.archive.org/web/20080313141147/http://nfccomic.com/index.php?comic=1

            ( Reflecting you to the wayback machine, because there are spammy spyware links in the comments in 2012 )

          • Jamie Dutton

            Is it a fair fight? Does the moose have any projectile weapons?

          • Holly

            No, but i do. Remember Jamie, I’m an android.

          • Holly

            …. I AM THE ONLY GODDESS YOU CANNOT HAVE MY THRONE! *eyes kinzie warily*

          • Steven K.

            Cerberus? That WOULD be appropriate if you are traversing the hellscape.

          • Holly

            HE WOULD BE MY BEST FRIEND! We would slay our enemies and listen to the littlest hobo theme song.

          • Holly

            I have not gotten the point. I have been told I can have a giant three headed wolf dog beast that I can RIDE! This will be awesome!

      • Steven K.

        Well, remember I said he could substitute the day-geckos. They are just as cute without the allergenic fur.

        • Sapfo

          Thanks for the unfurry animals!

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      If the Incubi are as big as Laampros I wouldn’t envy them. :-O

      • Holly

        No if Laampros is a Demon Lord he would be bigger than the others. Incubi tend to be human sized.

        • Sapfo

          And good looking 😉

          • Holly

            ….so good looking.

          • Sold!

          • Adam Black

            Maybe Kyle is an Incubus too

          • Holly

            Kyle could be the son of an incubus. It would explain MUCH

          • SofiaT

            @disqus_FidZAwLkzS:disqus was very set on this theory some pages ago.

          • Adam Black

            now we just need an Incubus song to back this up.
            EDIT: feels very foolish! of course
            @Holly http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhZvDJ2opsM

          • Adam Black

            got new legs

          • Steven K.

            I’m still rather fond of the SOTABH-Seraph theory.

          • Adam Black

            sotabh?

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Me. Son Of The Atomic Biscuit Head. sotabh. I prefer Sonny, though.

          • Steven K.

            Oh – that’s my abbreviation/acronym for our friend sonoftheatomicbiscuithead.

          • SofiaT

            @disqus_FidZAwLkzS:disqus was very set on this theory some pages ago.

          • Adam Black
          • There is a joke here regarding millions of screaming men and women.

          • Adam Black

            in pleasure I hope

          • One in pleasure one in displeasure I would think.

          • Adam Black

            i hate when that happens.

          • Steven K.

            “In displeasure” for only 90% of the guys though. I know I’d be screaming with quite a positive passion.

          • LOL

          • Then again, Incubus…

            And with that, I end my attempt as stand up comic…good night ladies and gentlemen.

          • Steven K.

            How can I attract one like that then?

          • Adam Black

            It’s more trouble than its worth

        • SHAMYLAN TWIST ENDING:
          Laampros is an incubi!

          • Holly

            …. I am going to get murdered by fan girls, but Laampy is so not sexy enough to be an incubus.

          • silibub

            Thanks for saying it first! His face is so simian and he has those beady glowing eyes and just– eugh *shudder* Nice bod tho

          • Holly

            Yes he is a male butterface

          • silibub

            Yes! (I totally read “buttface” first and agreed with that, too)

          • Jamie Dutton

            Put a gigantic non-flammable bag over his head and it might work!

          • It’s the hair fire isn’t it.

          • I love that fire hair…considered cosplaying that boy but George won instead.

          • How do you suppose you’d make fire hair?

          • Dunno. I was thinking of a small fan with a bunch of shiny cutout flames so they wave upwards but I don’t think I can pull that off well so George wins.

          • LOOOL!

          • Steven K.

            Or Heat-Miser hair.

          • Adam Black

            watch pepsi commercials till something sparks

          • Steven K.

            AJ should have seen that one coming. But it’s more like “PERFORM IN Pepsi commercials sporting a pomaded coiffure till something sparks”.

          • Adam Black

            You gotta go for the lowhanging fruit.

            Practice using “Jesus Juice” in a few sentences, to get the maximum humorous impact.

          • Steven K.

            One of my favorite jokes:
            Q.: “What’s white and falls from the sky?”
            A.: “The coming of the Lord.”
            And if someone says that’s bad taste, I ask them: Why should we have any reason to believe that the seed of “OLASJC” would taste badly? If I had to guess, I’d wager on skittles-flavored ….. or maybe spearmint, with notes of frankincense and myrrh.
            I think we should have a poll as to opinions on the gustatory nature of Jesus Jism. Is that too over-the-top and DIStasteful? No more than “God hates fags”, I think. Besides, we’ve already had a lord of the underworld ogling and fondling a naked 18 year old boy – maybe we should give some time to speculating about the other side of the spiritual coin.

          • Adam Black

            I don’t think the priests need encouraging.

            Besides why else do you think they called him a “fisher of men”?

          • Ha! Why do I like that you’re such an evil man?

          • Adam Black

            Does it make me “evil” to point out the Emperor is wearing no clothes, caught his hair on fire, and is in bed with a 12 year old after supplying ” #JesusJuice ” .

            I say NAY.

            #WhatWouldJarvisCockerDO?

          • Well when you put it like that… Would someone please dress the Emperor!

            Needed to google Jarvis Cocker.

          • Adam Black
          • Hahahaha! Okay then. A nice set of balls there.

          • Holly

            Fire hair probably wouldn’t be “con safe”

          • Not really, but he is a dork >_>
            <_<

          • Adam Black

            has a dork

          • Adam Black

            has a dork

          • All of the above.
            I don’t limit. He’s enjoying that dork while sporting one of his own. 😉

          • Steven K.

            I thought that was dong.

          • Adam Black

            dork = whale dong.
            We established this 3 pages ago, when I used “hung like a whale” without knowing this. #YaoiVocabularyLesson

          • a little too abrasive and too naked…yeah…why show off all the goods immediately…that’s kind of silly…

          • LimpBiskit

            SECOND TWIST ENDING:
            Laampy is water-soluble.

          • LimpBiskit

            SECOND TWIST ENDING:
            Laampy is water-soluble.

          • THIRD TWIST ENDING:
            Kyle wakes up from this twisted sex dream to find his house burned down but his pants thankfully still attached to his body. When he walks away in a daze and comes upon a nearby lake he discovers that
            HE IS LAAMPROS!!

            Damnit Shamylan!

          • LimpBiskit

            FOURTH TWIST ENDING:
            Laampy needed a key to leave because DEMONS HAVE NOT YET FIGURED OUT DOORKNOBS.

          • FIFTH TWIST ENDING:
            Alex walks into the scene as another bargaining chip. “I CANNOT HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OVER THIS WORLD WITHOUT THE AUTHOR! HE IS MIIIINE!” Shouts Laampros and his impressive dork.
            Alex is enslaved to Laampros, who now has complete narrative control over this world.

            (I seriously laughed at your post)

          • LL

            I would be a-OK with any of your Shamylan endings, haha

          • Steven K.

            And since it’s safe to assume (from the way he has had Kyle treated in the story) that Alex is a big ol’ bondage bottom, he wanders over to Kyle, looks down at him, makes a pouty face, turns to Laampros and says “Awwww – MY turn now!!??”
            (Again, just helps me deal with what’s happening to our little hero if I imagine that maybe Alex doesn’t think what Kyle is going through is quite so horrendous.)

          • Steven K.

            🙂

          • Adam Black

            you had me at “twisted sex dream”

          • THIRD TWIST ENDING:
            Kyle wakes up from this twisted sex dream to find his house burned down but his pants thankfully still attached to his body. When he walks away in a daze and comes upon a nearby lake he discovers that
            HE IS LAAMPROS!!

            Damnit Shamylan!

          • Steven K.

            That’s been done. Maybe soluble in pink lemonade?

          • really? where is his seduction?

            seems too abrasive for an incubi…

    • CH

      Hey, maybe he’ll bring George along and you can stare in person!

      • Holly

        I live in the American Continents 🙁

        • He might trade places with the moon on occasion.

        • CH

          Forgot about that part. Well if George is infact moon sized it shouldn’t matter.

          • Holly

            But I like the moon. *internal conflict*

          • CH

            Moon sized, not necessarily replacing the moon, just big enough to be seen without encroaching on Duncan’s claim on us.

          • Holly

            TWO MOONS?!

          • CH

            The Moon at night and George during the day works for me.

          • Holly

            Um no we need a sun….

          • CH

            He’d only block part of the sun, well depending on how he positions himself. This is becoming very complicated.

          • CH

            He’d only block part of the sun, well depending on how he positions himself. This is becoming very complicated.

          • Holly

            Can’t he just be to the side of the SUn?!

          • Holly

            Can’t he just be to the side of the SUn?!

          • CH

            Depends how well he needs to see us I suspect.

          • Adam Black
          • Agree. And we’re not talking about how the tides, sky navigation issues, whether George would entice the Moon to show its other face, and if George decides to be the center of attention during eclipses.

          • And that’s not taking into account the sunblock he would need to wear and the custome sunglasses he would need to wear. Well sunglass he would need to wear.

          • Steven K.

            A sun-monocle.

          • Adam Black
          • Holly
          • Holly

            Um no we need a sun….

          • Adam Black

            finnegan and the moon sittin in a tree, ….

          • Holly

            S-T-A-R-I-N-G

          • Adam Black

            ( i am trying to sex of a sex idiom involving a contact lens , a telescope and little astronauts, but it just wont hang )

          • Steven K.

            Is “wont hang” part of the metaphor?

          • Adam Black

            Not consciously intended—yet there it is…
            ( Freudian slip )
            Good catch

          • Steven K.

            HA HA!

          • Holly

            S-T-A-R-I-N-G

          • Adam Black

            finnegan and the moon sittin in a tree, ….

          • Adam Black

            Maybe its just a phase

          • Steven K.

            HA!

          • Adam Black

            this is what happens when I am encouraged.

          • LOL

          • Adam Black

            Drumroll

          • Rimshot (which could work nicely with the docking if we are up… for… it…

            Second drumroll

          • Adam Black

            always up for it!
            Or hood me awake !

          • Holly

            HAHA. Moon Phase. Oh Adam. you are made of magic

        • Adam Black

          Lucky you.

          I only live on 1 of them

          • Holly

            OH adam I love you and your snark. I wish we could be REAL friends.

          • Adam Black

            I am available for rentals —and holidays where you hate your relatives.
            ( and anything involving Kasterborous )

          • Holly

            OOO Rent-a-Friend. FUN ^_^

          • Adam Black

            ( FRIDGE LOGIC )
            Oh, MY . Fun indeed !!

            ****I Totally missed that.****

            @stevenklimecky:disqus came your defense before, so it’s only fair I call him up now in my defense.

            Steve do you see how subtle and powerful her humor is?
            With just an ” OOO …..FUN ^_^ ” she turned my totally innocent comment, into something deliciously filthy.
            There is no way out of it. I am a cornered man.
            Yes, Holly is picking on me and no one even noticed.

            Steve , I hope you will tell Holly that I Totally didnt mean it **Like that** . and even you don’t know me from Adam, you should remind her that I have never, ever, before suggested I am some kind of man-of-evening,

            anyone who reads yaoi is too probably too slutty to charge anyways , ( feel free to add some stuff about the driven snow, how my souls is so pure its shimmers like gossamer in the moonlight, and maybe end off with a Vedic hymn. )

            *******************************************
            Now that is cleared up

            Well in truth , I’m a cheap date. You can probably just wave some Dr who videos, or Joss whedon dvds to keep my attention.

            and which American continent was that?
            I would love to be your Real lIfe friend , if that could be thing that could be figured out. I am on Google /G+

          • Holly

            Yes I am quite good at setting things up like that. And good to know that you are Cheap Adam.

            Also, who had google+? I mean, I have it but that’s just because google forced me into it. My username is SO easy to guess too. LOL

          • Adam Black

            Can’t say I didnt warn you .
            **********************

            I wouldnt be surprised if google buys disquis and integrates it.

            Holly yaoi?

            I was using android a lot. It makes more sense to have on android.

            plus it does integrate Youtube/gmail/ absorbed picassa

          • Holly

            yaoiqueen777

            Yeah. I have two gmails. The other is my work e-mail because it looks more professional.

          • Adam Black

            That immediately tells me that you are not a yaoi professional

            https://plus.google.com/u/0/108177944448520252638
            same name
            adamrocketblack is the gmail

          • Holly

            …Not yet no. Not yet….

          • Adam Black

            you just need a businessplan and a camara

          • Holly

            Camera? No that’s gay porn. I need a pencil 😛

          • Adam Black

            That is definitely a thing that can happen.

            — But certain “things” have been suggested to me.

            It has actually been suggested, ( seriously ) that I may be too snarklicious for you. That, maybe, just maybe , you couldn’t handle the snark.

            Of course , I do not believe a word! But It has been suggested , In your defense, that I Put my snark away….

            Lock it in a snarkbox, and Bury it in the bottom of the snarkcloset next to the abandoned sextoys and cosby sweaters.

            I am sure you will have opinion about that.
            CC:

            @stevenklimecky:disqus ?

          • Holly

            OH adam I love you and your snark. I wish we could be REAL friends.

          • SofiaT

            Naughty Adam!

          • Adam Black

            I am sure you have a more delicious phrase in Greek,
            —-Or some Australian idiom . *

            *We were taught in school that Aussies spoke mostly a hash of interoperable idioms that developed from its prisoner forebears .

            But American Public schools being what they are, this was deemed this a foreign language, and refuse to tell us any.

          • SofiaT

            I’m still learning the Aussie idioms, so delicious or not, “naughty” is all I have.

            Also, Aussies tend to not pronounce half the letters in a word -the less they have to keep their mouths open, the better.

            Australia is pronounced Ostralya. “Afternoon” is “arvo” and they call Iron Man “Ion Man”.

            If you say Iron Man, they won’t understand you.
            I know that from personal experience.

          • Adam Black

            non-rhotic?

          • Steven K.

            Ostraaaaailyah. 😉

          • SofiaT

            nope, that’s too long, too many vowels. We make the words smaller, not bigger 🙂

          • Steven K.

            Sorry – didn’t mean it to be that “long” of an utterance – but to emphasize the sound – like when a physician asks you to stick out the tongue and say “aaaaah” – so maybe “Ostraahlya”

          • Steven K.

            Aww – And to think that Mr. SOTABH got on MY case a while back for being too technical – lol. I suppose you could also have asked Ms. Holly if her domicile was a subterranean cave or a fallout shelter or the CERN accelerator.

          • Adam Black

            LOst me on the who, what, where

            Do women like being referred to as atom shmashers?
            I would be afraid to do any nuclear testing on that.
            ( HesaidWHAT?! used to be a nickname of mine )

          • Steven K.

            No – I was attempting to say that, as you called attention to the fact that Holly mentioned living on the American ContinentS (non-singular), you could have also just as easily called out that she actually said she lived *IN* them, rather than on them, but I would have also thought that to be a little nit-picky.

          • Adam Black

            Steve, I didnt understand what you meant. I still don’t.

            NO, @disqus_5yYGRkSeuL:disqus told a funny joke.
            Read it again. really,

            If explaining a joke does kills it, we are about to commit comedycide

            She *didnt* make a mistake in her speech. Granted, it was subtle. Maybe to dry for others, But it jumped out at me. She was quoting Laampros ……
            ( and thus Alex)

            ( light dawns )

            she re-used the text of this story. I imagined she said it is neuvo-posh accent . It makes it funnier.

            Try it….

            My comment ( that still reads LOL s hysterical to me ) merely frames or bookends Hollys comment. But it wouldnt even be funny without Holly’s Joke. She gets 50% of the writing credit.

            When you are in a jocular mood, funny things just jump out at you. But if you are feeling defensive its possible to read hostile intent, into one of friendliness.

            Holly, @stevenklimecky:disqus thought that I picking on you or being a grammar nazi. In a comment much higher this was mentioned as proof.

            ( But If Offended thee, 1001 pardons. )

            My intention was just to engage in a little harmless wordplay: its cheaper than Heroin, and no puppies had to die.

            ***Suspends Steve from the Humor Police , and order s him to listen to older George Carlin Albums until he feels very, very, silly***

          • Steven K.

            Well, I think we are worrying about something that wasn’t that big a deal – I’m sorry I misinterpreted things, but I also didn’t mean any remarks to sound all that harsh anyway. Ironically, as a teacher, *I’M* usually the one tempted to be a “grammar nazi”, so I shouldn’t get on anyone’s case even if they DID make a (good-natured) correction. In any case, I know you didn’t have any mean-spiritedness in anything, and I didn’t either really.

      • Adam Black

        ( to the tune of brady bunch )

        Here is the story …of a lonely eyeball,
        with one hell to call his own

        Here is the story of a solo satellite,
        with no atmosphere to call its own

    • incubi!

  • Jakk Anthony Guzman

    Duncan was quick, he made sure the demon hadn’t forgotten the “american continents” in the bargain.

  • CH

    “Demands” sounds a little ominous for Duncan. Not that he doesn’t deserve whatever backlash comes his way, mind you, but I wonder if he isn’t going to find himself forcibly removed from the supervillain business by way of major violence.

  • silibub

    *slides hands down face* Duncan, you are so bad at being deferential, it defies belief. And Laampros calls him on it every time — he better wrap this up or he’s going to run out of strikes soon.

    So, if Laampros accepts the offer and moves his demon horde to Earth, I wonder if Duncan expects to eventually destroy him and claim the entirety of the world for himself? He’d have forever — and some hefty magical backup — to do it. I also wonder, is immortality something that can be taken away once it’s given, or if Duncan breaks their contract? Or is he pretty much set for eternity once he has it? Things to ponder…

    • LL

      Yeah, I really thought Anni would be better at this! Maybe he didn’t think Laampros would be so quick? Idk.
      And I wish we knew more about the nature of Laampros’s powers…obviously he’s a powerful demon with an army of lesser demons (reminds me of Supernatural…), but how powerful is his magic? Would granting Anni and Sircea immortality also give him control over them, or is it a cast-and-be-done thing? HMM

  • This deal seems a little extreme. Just for forever youth, health and a continent or two.

    • SofiaT

      I know! Laampros should snatch it up, it’s bargain!

      • Yes. It’s like a buy 1 get 3 free.

        • Holly

          I feel like Laampy is just wholly suspicious of Duncan.

          • Well sure, it’s just too good to be true.

          • SofiaT

            As he should be.

            This is a stupid deal and Duncan isn’t stupid.

    • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

      Hey, if a deal sounds too good to be true, it probably is. If those keys do what they’re supposed to do, why did Duncan need Kyle to get to Mr Laampros’ realm? I’m thinking that key doesn’t do what he’s promising and the Big L will end up trapped somewhere unpleasant after Duncan and Sircea get their wishes granted.

      • It wouldn’t surprise me.

      • Holly

        Or it’s as he said and you need one key on each side of the door to get it to open.

        But yeah still, something smell an awful lot like cod and trout.

        • Completely agree. Why should Laampy trust Anni or Anni trust Laampy? And how are they going to manage the “exchange”?

          Two devious beings making devious faces at each other, the big one insulting the little one, the little one clearly not used to groveling while poor Kyle watches in horror.

          I’m totally in the dark now as to where this is going…

      • LimpBiskit

        I think he’s already somewhere unpleasant #trollol

        • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

          Who knows, for demons that place could be Pismo Beach.

  • Awwww no cute Kyle toes in this one >_<

    I wonder how he's going to have that key activated. I don't think there's any cell reception in Hell.

    I could be wrong, though.

    • b3nc0

      I had this awful image of the boy’s true body still on the bed in what remains of the warehouse, the sow closely watching his torso, where blood letters appears as the maggot writes the ‘go’ wordpass in the inferno-dimension =°O

      • Steven K.

        Ewww – yeah – that IS a frightening thought. I think I might just rather have Kyle ravaged by Laampros. Sorry, not intended to be misogynistic, just my particular preferences and proclivities. Same reason I try to avoid het-sex scenes on TV and in film – just not my proverbial cup of tea (though almost impossible to do so successfully these days.

  • SofiaT

    When Laampros and his demon army reaches the earth who you gonna call? GHOSTBUSTERS!

    • They may have to cross the streams.

      • Adam Black

        that sounds so dirty now

        • Steven K.

          Uh Oh – those last 2 comments (from AJ and AB respectively), combined, force an occasion to link to this music vid by my favorite band:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxO3FpUtohw

          • Adam Black

            Totally Scandalized

            I cant play audio till i set up my new computer.
            As for the video, It strikes me as opportunity to use the neologism “Teastained” that @sonoftheatomicbiscuithead:disqus came up with yesterday

          • Steven K.

            Oh – that’s too bad – you’ll have to come back to it then – or watch/listen elsewhere – it’s actually a rather nice tune. Here are the lyrics:

            Golden Streams

            Golden stream
            In the cold
            It turns to ice
            Runs down my knees in fright
            Golden stream
            Turns from warm to cold
            In frightful time
            In the frozen dead of night
            The golden stone builds the golden road to heaven
            Held up high by golden streams of ice
            My golden bone meets the golden bun
            Buns held high in our dreams of men
            Golden streams of ice
            In the cold
            Hold up a city of gold
            That lives in broad daylight
            Two golden streams
            Run down my cheeks
            When buns are deprived
            Of my dreams of men
            I hold the golden bone on the golden road to heaven
            Held up high by golden streams of ice
            The golden bone belongs in golden bun
            Bone and bun held high in my dreams of us
            My golden wand waves down your golden rod
            Our gold held high in sunny breezy sky
            Then a stream of gold released from golden stone
            Erupts late at night and melts the winter ice
            The golden streams
            The golden streams
            The golden streams

        • o_o I’m never going to be able to watch that scene again without snickering am I?

          • Adam Black

            No, Never.
            You will see it as Hollywood subliminal seduction of you to the path of Yaoidom.
            ( No need to get into the broader semiotics of “being slimed” )
            I have a few theories on the deeper meaning of the staypuff marshmallow man

          • To ask or not to ask? (please don’t ruin marshmallows, please don’t ruin marshmallows)

            Oh hey, I learned a new word! I need to write that down.

          • Adam Black

            What is really important, is with perfect homemade hot fudge sauce ( I use Hersheys Cocoa powder ) S’mores will taste great, no matter how previously possessed your marshmallows were.

          • Ha! So do you coat the s’more or just dip it? That is if the marshmallow is no longer possessed that is.

          • Adam Black

            Dipping the whole s’more ?
            thats so decadent

            Let this be the new Double Entendre of this century
            “Dipping the Smore”

            “Did you put the marshallow in”
            “Dude, I dipped that whole s’more”

            @chrisdangerfield:disqus I need you to spread this

          • Double Ha! I like the way your mind works.

            So this hot fudge sauce recipe, you ever going to share? Or are you going to keep that dip all to yourself?

          • How does he make double-dipping sound so salacious… he must be going extra deep into the sauce or something. Thank goodness the Firection is on break, being bandaged, because now i can’t think of anything but loaded smores. You two! HA! I should have known. 🙂

            Sir, I am your sworn man and shall spread that smore like a beach-camper in heat!!!! I so swear.

          • It’s a definite talent. ‘Tis why I usually put genius and evil together when I speak of Mr. Black. 🙂

          • Adam Black

            the truth is i don’t actually have a “recipe”. I figured it out on my own when I was 11 . ( when my parents wouldnt tell me ) I have to actually have to make it give somebody precise instructions.

            But if you know how to cook, and you love chocolate that shouldn’t stop you. It didnt stop me.

            Only 4 ingredients: Milk, sugar, Hersheys unsweetened Cocoa Powder, and butter.
            That is really just it. The secret is that its an open secret. You could have been making it your whole life.

            If you are a great cook you can probably figure out the rest. If not, read on, but you will still likely screw up the first 2 batches, with warnings .

            (( On substitutions: I usually use 2% milk. Whole is probably better but you will need to be careful not to add too much butter. Oddly enough people are really picky if there is a butter slick on their fudge. Sweetened condensed milk might you save you time if you were making a massive amount, but I don’t know the rations. i.e. how much sugar in the canned milk.

            ON Artificial Sweeteners or sugar substitutes: You can substitute white crystal sugar ***for white crystal sugar*** . Really?

            If you are diabetic I can’t help you. You probably shouldnt be eating this anyway. If you are not and you were even considering sucralose or equal, or stevia or honey or whatever stupid cancer causing antifreeze like concotion they have nowadays, The God of fudge Just hates you . Its easier to buy that in the supermarket. ))

            You only need enough butter to melt the ingredients together in a sauce pan between a teaspoon and a tablespoon.

            The Cocoa Powder to Sugar ration is between 1:2 to

            1: 2.75 depending on your taste. I’d start with double the sugar, taste it as it melts, but don’t burn your tongue off once it starts to boil. I’ve done that 100 times . Using heaping amounts.

            You want enough milk to cover the saucepan, plus a little more. ( double the depth ) The bigger the pan the is the easier it is. Nonstick is wise idea, not just for cooking it, but for serving too. It is easy to add to much milk. You’ll just have to condense it if you do and add more choc/sugar .

            add the rest of the ingredients once the milk is hot you need to manually dissolve them together, using the butter to mix all the sugar and cocoa into the milk. 3 tbs of cocoa ought to be enough for 2 people to have 2 awesome sundaes. Make sure you dissolve every grain of chocolate. Its waterproof so pockets of powder can exist in your pan.

            after that you just need to boil down the milk, without burning the pan, like pudding. after everything is dissolved and condensed somewhat check the taste. Now you can fix it. If condensing takes a long time, you used a lot milk. You can easily add more cocoa and sugar while it boils to speed it up. I’d rather have MORE right away than wait forever for less… ( condensing all ) the extra milk .

            You need to simmer for 3 to 5 minues Once it starts to look thicker lower the flame a lot. You will need to keep stiring it, then flipping it to get the right consistency.If you are not making a lot ( you will be able to tell now ) the flipping stage is a sign you are done or near done. Remember, its much thicker when you take it off the fire

            Don’t wait till it looks perfect. It is VERY EASY to burn or create a full polyermerization reaction. It will still taste good, but end up hard and chunky. You want to bring it right up to this point and stop. This process will happen very quickly! Use your judgement. Does it look, smell and taste like the best hot fudge you’ve ever had? If its still a liquid you can always heat it more. If its just a little bit runny its probably done. Its about to you how thick you want it. There is a point of noreturn

            ( Its even easier to burn your tongue off checking hot fudge once it is thicker. I can’t say this too many times. Many stick s spoon or two in the freezer so you can do this . Hot fudge taste much better when you can taste. )

            Using a Reboiler: Apparently they are actually made for this very purpose ( who knew ). If you don’t make too much ( use too much milk ) at once, have a really good nonstick saucepan and are patient enough to watch and stir it properly you may not need one. I don’t, but I will screw up rarely If i get distracted.

            But if you have one, go for it.

            If any of it gets hard while cooking its fixable and you can soften it up, but you may only have a minute or two before causes everything to ripen. It is very similar to a caramel reaction, but just a little slower and you can’t see the color change.

            Its really just melt, simmer stir, don’t burn, perfect fudge under 10 minutes . If you know how to cook you probably didnt need all these instructions. If you screw it up, its not a big deal, there is far worse punishments that having to eat off-fudge.

            When its done and cool, it will probably be slightly hard. ( but not crunchy ) . you can soften to a liquid with more gentle heat and a few drops of milk ( drops ) .

          • Cool! Most of my cooking is done by the seat of my pants so I should be able to handle this. It’s a bit like a caramel sauce recipe — it’s not the tongue you have to worry about burning with that one.

            On another note: LOL!

          • Adam Black

            If you can make caramel you can do this.
            just use half the cocoa as you do sugar.

            where are you pouring this caramel? or on who?

            and how do i get this coffee?

          • On ice cream of course. Or on cake I suppose. Of course if you know someone I can pour it on, that would be great.

            papalatte.com

          • Of course reading back… I didn’t mean it that way. Nope I did not.

            And if you just want a sample of coffee then email an address and I’ll see what I can do.

    • Steven K.

      Should probably call in Tangina B. as well for good measure – she has that experience with things going into and coming out of transdimensional portals, etc.

  • Mike W

    Hawaii is sooo missing out

    • stickfigurefairytales

      You know, it would be pretty hilarious if Laampros and his army totally missed Hawaii and Polynesia and all the other islands that are far enough away from the main landmass of a continent. I could buy his sort of demon doing that, because they’re fire-based. Makes sense that they’d be uncomfortable having to travel over water for too long, so they’d probably just assume there wasn’t anything out there and turn back.

      • Mike W

        They may make use of subterranean routes for volcanic exits in Hawaii

        • stickfigurefairytales

          Dammit!

    • SofiaT

      Well, we’ve already agreed that Hawaii is our Team Redilator meeting place for coffee and muffins. We even allowed some members of Team Pitchfork to attend because we’re so nice.

      Hawaii had better be left out.

      • Hikaru Takemori

        We should start fortifying it then. We can ask Spooky for advise on what to do to keep demons at bay.

      • Hikaru Takemori

        We should start fortifying it then. We can ask Spooky for advise on what to do to keep demons at bay.

        • Jamie Dutton

          um, I’d go just throw everything at it just in case kind of thing: salt, holy water, sage, tar water and brick dust for the undead, and um I might have to check my books just in case I missed something, but that would be a good start.
          (grandpa was something of a shaman)

          • Sapfo

            Do this means that we have superpowers?
            I know what my superpower is, it´s to make my hair very curly! I don´t know how that´s going to stop Anni and Lampy thou -_-

          • Adam Black

            If you can other hair curly , we can try and harness it

          • Sapfo

            Well I do get tangled up in it every now and again. So if we can get others tangled up to. Then that could help us in our defense.

          • Adam Black

            i think I saw that on Inuyasha

          • Sapfo

            So, Adam! Whats you superpower in the defense of our world?
            Awesomeness?

          • Adam Black

            I think i can sleep through the apocalypse,

            —or miss it due to no one bothering to invite me.

            which won’t help anyone else. But serves them right for not thinking I might want to go.

            Maybe I wouldnt oversleep the end of the world if I was invited, and had a reason to try to get up.

            So I guess being Lazy and Wildly Unpopular, or at least forgettable.

          • Sapfo

            Adam, would you like to come to the apocalypse with me and the other? We would really like it if you come.

          • Adam Black

            OH, NOEZ, now am I popular?
            ( comforts himself… This can’t last .. Offending people is my other latent power )

          • Sapfo

            YEAH! Am not easily offended! (^_^) (/^_^)/

          • Adam Black
          • Sapfo

            Yes you are! (.^_^:) welcome to the club!

          • Adam Black

            The Doom Tomb?

          • Sapfo

            Is that our club house where we drink afternoon tea, or is that a dance club….I really don´t like dance clubs, the music, the people, the feeling of slowly being choking. Adam please keep me safe, I need a book o.o

          • Just curious, now that time has passed, what book of comfort did you select?

          • Sapfo

            It´s kind of hard to tell right now, all my books are in boxes for the move.
            Books I do like are all very different and at the same time alike.

            Right now my fav comfy book is a swedish book: “En man som heter Ove”

          • Adam Black

            We have rock concerts —- but we set up a reading room, right in front of the stage so all the riffraff of the doom crew, we make stand behind the wall can peer over in wonder over what Books have our undivided attention.

            Let them glare…. They shall never know

          • In front of the stage? Doesn’t that make it quite a hike to the porta-potty… just curious…

          • want

          • Adam Black

            Look up etsy, girls with slingshots , ghost kitty

          • Thx.

          • Steven K.

            See – even you admit it – lol – not so latent though, as we’ve all noticed. Maybe not so much a power as a vocation – and maybe not offending as much as teasing.

          • Adam Black

            Unless you are claiming responsibility for Dlisting me from family Xmas parties, I have no idea what you are talking about.

            “as we’ve all noticed” if this is some kind of intervention I havent touch the stuff in years. Although now that you mention it, its not like my life is any better at all. If I am going to get blamed for something I might as well go and do it. Thanks for the peptalk

          • Steven K.

            Oh – that was in reference to a comment I made above (not too far from the top) characterizing you as a provocateur, and liking to “push people’s buttons” for sport. A couple people even thought this characterization to be unfair, though I didn’t intend it to be all that judgmental – just “returning the favor” a little bit of some good-natured ribbing/elbowing – at least that was the intention. And, in your comment above, you self-admit a talent for offending people, which rather went along with my observation on the provocative nature of some of your comments, and that you would seem to delight in getting people riled up, playing on their sensitivities, or, as I said, “pushing their buttons”. But I didn’t mean that comment to be taken as harshly as it sounded – just as I don’t think a lot of your sarcasm is meant to be as severe as it might be taken, or that you are setting out necessarily to hurt anyone’s feelings or make them feel worse about something, though it can sometimes happen. (See recent response by to ChrisD near the top of the page.)

          • Adam Black

            But when I said I “had a talent for offending people” I wasn’t taking responsibility for other peoples reactions, or saying I did anything wrong.

            It was a Sly backhanded way of saying some people, in IRL are jerks.

            You are supposed to say, “No that can’t true, we do like you” or “we are not like them ”

            rather than “AH, HA I knew it, Off with his head”

            ( @smsif:disqus still thinks I’m funny )

          • Who are you kidding… Sapfo has you on one long boat to Tahiti and one of those expensive hotel rooms on stilts over the balmy waters… lucky fellow. She’s a nurse. First a night of madness and then a pair of rubber gloves and a lady who knows how to use them. Thine Snark has captured a heart. 🙂 Lucky bastard.

          • Yes, but then don’t they forget it… you said that’s your other power… So your powers sorta cancel each other out? You super folk don’t have it easy do you?

          • Sapfo

            I can hardly believe it. In the 5 hours after we had this conversation have someone managed offend me. (Not you!)

            I am going to make them regret this day O_O

          • Nice… now I understand. Duncan MEANT to betray you and take you to hell and then… forgot. Gotta admit that’s a good power. Covers a lot.

          • Steven K.

            Yeah – kinda like Venom’s sticky black tendril-extrusions.

          • Sapfo

            Now I only have to train my hair to behave like Venoms Symbiote, that should not be to hard.

            ~~~~(^_^)~~~~
            “HAIR! TRIP DUNCAN!”
            *CLONK*
            “Damn hair making me trip and not Duncan….”

            Sorry, I have to work on this thing for it to work.

      • Steven K.

        What if I find myself playing both teams at the same time? I’m sure the parts of the story to come will eventually make me choose one or the other, but in the meantime?

        • Adam Black

          Um , what?
          You aren’t on Team Pitchfork?
          You are the Guardian of the Pitchfork!

          • Steven K.

            Well, perhaps I lean toward that more and more – but started out as a totally ardent supporter of the Redilator team, and still have some sparks of that deep down inside, that haven’t been totally extinguished yet. The potential relationship between Duncan and Kyle was one of the reasons I fell in love with this comic. But then things changed after what Duncan did to Kyle. To begin with, I was as great a Redilator supporter as anyone here, and part of me still wants to be (or even is), but it would take some Herculean bits of writing and plot development to make a Kyle-Duncan relationship ok and acceptable and believable now. Anni has to be punished and suffer in at least certain ways. He has to realize a lot. He has to atone. He has to somehow make up to Kyle for something that it is almost impossible to make up for. kyle has to forgive something that is just about unforgivable. Duncan will have to perform some incredible acts of altruism and self-sacrifice – and sacrifice FOR Kyle. Kyle will have to get some retribution as well as some evidence that Duncan really did care deep down inside (I really don’t see it though). Duncan will have to risk life and limb for Kyle (I don’t see that either). Kyle will have to save Duncan, emotionally and otherwise. They’ll need to save one-another. I can see maybe Kyle saving Duncan’s life, and Duncan being shattered to his core from the humbling and magnanimous experience. He has to think – “You did that, for ME?? – After what I’ve done to YOU and put YOU through?? You who should want to see me suffer forever after in the tortures of Hell – instead you save me and have pity on me – and actual concern for me??” Maybe Duncan goes through a transformation a la “The Grinch” or, even more apropos, Mr. Scrooge – a selfless act (likely by Kyle) on his behalf totally transforming him, the way seeing acts of kindness and humanity (along with being scared about what COULD happen if staying on his current path) – all this have to work to change this man in some extreme way – then waking him up to his true feelings for Kyle, and a whole host of other realizations that will change him forever. I’m very much rambling on right now. I don’t have the time or skill of ChrisD to put all this into a reasoned, cogent, much-more-together response, but I hope you get the gist of it.

          • I just knew he had a special title. He seems like a special title kind of guy. I genuflect in StevenK’s direction… the direction of the Guardian.

    • what? why?

  • dereule101

    Aww, Little Maggot is such a cute nickname for Duncan. Yeah, it’s insulting, but at least it’s not patronizing like Little Hero.

    • Steven K.

      I thought “little hero” was actually rather cute and endearing. Of course it may well seem differently in hindsight.

      • SofiaT

        I still think it was meant as an endearing term (and yeah, slightly patronizing but in a cute kinda way). Duncan used Kyle for his purposes, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t like him.

        It’s like littles piggies: I think little piggies are adorable. But I’m too selfish to give up bacon. I feel torn about it… but I still enjoy it with my eggs, with a side of guilt.

        • Steven K.

          Well, good point I suppose :/

  • Jakk Anthony Guzman

    Whatever is going to happen should be happening soon. Laampros has agreed to the deal. So that part is over.

    • SofiaT

      Has he?

      What worries me is that Anni keeps getting interrupted, he hasn’t phrased himself any of his “demands”.

      • CH

        I’m with Sofia here, I saw no agreement, just a restatement of what Duncan’s demands are.

      • silibub

        Yeah, Duncan should try and get this deal in writing >:T

      • Jakk Anthony Guzman

        Well, maybe I was being hasty, but it looked like he agreed. Laampros: “Is what you offer….” Duncan: “And” Laampros: “Yes. And the american…”

        • SofiaT

          I saw it as “yes, I understand these are your demands” not “yes, I agree to them”.

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            I disagree Sofia.
            Laampros: “And this is what you offer..”
            Duncan: “And?” (Do you agree or not?)
            Laampros: “Yes”. “And the American ….”
            Seems to me like he agreed to everything Duncan demanded.

          • SofiaT

            “And…” -he was interrupted by Laampy (again), that wasn’t a question.

            But we can agree to disagree.

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            I like to argue. 😀 But Laampros said “Yes, and the american….”. I saw that Yes, it was there!!! LOL

          • Alexander

            Because Anni kept going on about the continents. Laampy summarised the deal, missing off the american continents demand. Anni began to correct him, as it wouldn’t be in his interest to agree to the deal without getting his demands, and Laampy impatiently confirmed he was aware of this demand. And-, not And?

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            But you may be right, it could be the other way around, just confirming his demands.

          • silibub

            Not “And?” with a question mark — “And–” like he was about to add “And the American Continents” but was interrupted.

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            Good point. There was no question mark. But still Laampros said “Yes, and the american…”.

          • silibub

            Which I took to be confirmation that he knew what Duncan was about to say, although I can see why you read it as acceptance. The way Laampros sneeringly refers to these conditions as “demands” makes me think he’s going to want Duncan to grovel a bit more before he accepts.

          • I was taking it more as he was reminding Big Red that there was more to the deal and the “yes” was an “Oh yeah, right, the american continents”

  • I have to say that both Laampy and Anni looks awesomely devilish on this page. Laampy has never looked better than the last panel…

    *shivers* Uuh-huhuhuhhuh.. it tingles me (points if you get this reference)

    Anni and his word games, but sucking up to someone really isn’t fashion his style.

    • Word games are important when dealing with the devil 😉

  • Adam Black

    Duncan forgot to make sure Protection of Kyle was part of the deal

    • silibub

      I’m totally expecting that Duncan has to return to Earth to activate the second key, and that Laampros will demand Kyle remain in the hell dimension as collateral. That would throw a wrench into the bargain, I think.

      • Jakk Anthony Guzman

        Not necessarily, Laampros may not grant his wish until he was on the other side. Assuming that Duncan has other plans and this is just a trick.

        • silibub

          Very true, that would be the wisest route for Laampros to take.

      • Adam Black

        I ‘ll laugh if kyle stays chained to bed till the last chapter

        • SofiaT

          Laugh, cry, throw my laptop to the wall, whatever.

          • Adam Black

            Its Finnegan’s story now, Kyle is just chained to it by the Grace of …. the Immaculate Firection

          • Steven K.

            A.B. is the just THE most active provocateur around here – he delights in “pushing people’s buttons”. But due to that, it’s hard to tell which of his comments are his true opinions, and which are said just for effect or to rile someone up. At least I sometimes get a smile out of it when it’s not directed toward me.

          • SofiaT

            I don’t think he’s trolling, he just has a somewhat weird sense of humour. I usually enjoy his comments… when I understand them that is.

          • Steven K.

            Yeah – just giving him a bit of ribbing myself.

          • Adam Black

            I actually can’t tell where you are kidding in it.

            I thought you were being totally serious, but reread it, and when you mentioned the example of “an undue pounding”

            “Adam said she was lucky, since he only lived on one of them”

            I just started cracking up. LOL It’s still funny. Did you laugh?

            @disqus_5yYGRkSeuL:disqus thought it was so funny, she invited me to join the Apocalypse club. ( I’ll show up in Real Life too. Whomas is a Thing. And Festivus. )

            ( Unless, Its in Patagonia… that …just won’t do. The tears haven’t stopped flowing since “UP”. )

            This strikes me as a signal that you are just joking. ( As @Holly very thoroughly explicitly encouraged future snarking. )

            Besides, you are not giving Holly enough credit on that joke. It was already funny before I bookended it.
            I even have a have a headvoice for Holly saying it ( Old money posh )

            ……………………………

            ( although, if you are Joking that something that was a jest, wasn’t in jest, if you know it really is ,that may be too many ironic twists in meaning to be supported by the flattened tone in text

            If you didnt know, I feel I should direct you one George Carlin’s bits on wordplay )

          • Steven K.

            I know, I know, and I know. I wasn’t being overly-serious (to begin with at least, though a little bit of seriousness in the background, but nothing meant to be too heavy). And I know you weren’t being overly-serious either. Everything is OK – Don’t worry about it. I was maybe just trying to be a little provocative myself, the way you like to be for fun. I know Holly didn’t take that comment poorly, which was nice. Yes – I thought it was a little funny as well (though still with a little bit of feeling like “Aww – c’mon now dude – give a break – lol – you know what she meant”) – but I know what it’s like to not be able to resist such opportunities – I get like that sometimes myself. My comment to you after you made the comment to Holly about the continentS – I kinda meant mine more in the spirit that Sophia made in her very succinct response: “Bad Adam!” – So was she serious or not serious? Just playful chastisement. Not worth troubling too much about.

          • Is it okay if I just pass on comprehension for this one?

          • Adam Black

            I have never trolled here.

            But now that I know you are bladder fan hmm…. I figure you get me 50% of the time.

          • SofiaT

            Bladder… Blackadder?

          • Adam Black

            who?

            Oh right. Sorry, Edgar

          • Since I’m in the mood to offer unasked for opinions this evening… *grins*:

            First I must say that “The Immaculate Firection” is now in my brain jousting it out with Duncan’s Douchecanou and Cockweasel for supremacy of new phrase.

            1) True (active provocateur). And he’s damn good at it. And it’s great fun.

            2) True. It is hard to discern some of the provocation from possible true opinion. He is an illusive commenter, but entertaining, so on our head so be it. I think we are required to self-censor in this situation, which I’m fine with since I prefer to make my own decisions regardless… 🙂

            2a) Just an observation — why does ‘provocation’ and ‘true opinion’ have to be an either/or offering for AB. I might guess that often both conditions are being offered up in his best comments, but that’s pure supposition. I’m just hopeful he’ll continue.

            Of course. I know too little about AB other than my enjoyment of his remarks for anything I just wrote to qualify either as ‘opinion’ or ‘provocation’, although I might have achieved ‘annoying’.

            I shall allow you to chastise me later for my impudence. 😉

            All best,
            ChrisD

          • Adam Black

            There is so much here I could comment on,
            But just knowing Chris has a cockweasel jousting the Immaculate Firection , in his brain , is all the thanks I really need.

            Chris, You had me at “Cockweasel”, buddy.

          • Steven K.

            Oh – the intent wasn’t a maleficent one – and was actually making more of an observation rather than a judgement, while “giving back” a little ribbing of my own, as I have said. I often enjoy the comments as well, though occasionally a couple I think have been a little harsh, but I think, in his case as well, the actual intent isn’t meant to be mean-spirited. Too bad one can’t convey TONE here a little better – I actually meant this comment to be a little more of a light-hearted “chastisement”, and one that was not to be taken over-seriously, since they DO seem to be given in the spirit of jest, although there have been a couple instances where I think feelings could have been (unintentionally) hurt – and that’s why I was bringing up that sometimes it can be an issue if one isn’t aware if a comment is being made in fun, or it is actual meant in a greater degree of seriousness (maybe that was a problem here in this case). I agree, there doesn’t HAVE to be an either/or offering as you you mentioned above – I didn’t mean to imply this – only that, in some cases, someone who may not be familiar with the style and intentions may read different intentions into the comment, and thus there being a possibility of hurt feelings when someone doesn’t know that a particular comment was made in jest or as a joke – and just to keep this in mind. In any case, I seemed to have messed up on that as well – my intention was to be a little less judgmental than this sounded, and to, as I said. “give a little back” in terms of some elbowing, as I’ve been on the opposite end of those elbows and “jabs” a few times. There have been a couple times I felt a little hurt, until I realized that the comment was not made in great seriousness, and that such was never the intention – such is the case here. Fortunately, most people here are good sports about these things, but I apologize to Mr, Black if this seemed to harsh – I actually didn’t intend for the tone to seem that way. (And there has been a little frustration on MY part when I was not able, personally) to tell if certain comments were being made as serious ones or lighthearted ones, so maybe that’s more my problem that I need to work on.)

          • No worries dude. List is tense tonight and you were just fine. Some days silliness isn’t appreciated as the fine vintage that it is… that said Adam Black uses Google Translate and never seems to have a problem understanding… so I’m quite sure he understood you perfectly. Worry not. 🙂

          • Adam Black

            Are you telling me you are NOT on TEAM Finnegan?

            It’s true, I did notice that you didn’t try and work on theme song with us ( We are borrowing the Brady Bunch tune ) . But I was just too polite to bring it up.

            G.Finnegan E. has had a hard life being different from everybody else, and he finally has this one tiny chance to leave the helllish place he grew/flew up and have some tiny piece of happiness after he moves. That is the story I came here to read, and now that we have found it, I am embracing it whole-heartedly. I think you will be happier if you do too.

            We know that things work out for Kyle. He was born in Paradise, he’s destined to be its greatest hero.. blah de blah blah blah.

            —–NOt so with Finnegan. He’s likely to the tragic gay love just like his literary namesake Finnny in “A Separate Peace”.

            And since Finnegan represents the eye of the reader Finnegans joys are really **our joys**, Finnegans desparate impossible story to live in a better world, where maybe , just maybe people don’t run screaming from him, is really Our story.

            Steven, just like Finnegan, the deck is stacked against us. But maybe like Finnegan we will get our moment in paradise that makes it all worthwhile. Kyle is the pretty boy who never knew how good he really had it, yet will bounce back like nothing happenned. Finnegan is you and me.

          • Steven K.

            “Kyle is the pretty boy who never knew how good he really had it, yet
            will bounce back like nothing happened. Finnegan is you and me.”
            That’s entirely possible. Its possible that every one of Kyle’s future erotic experiences will be incredible (if he’s able to control his flame-throwing penis – well, I mean repress “flaming on” during his climax) and positive ones, and he will have a lifetime of those since he is, frankly, most every gay man’s dream – so maybe a future lifetime of that will make up for his early bad experience. As for Finny, I am sensitive and empathetic to anyone having troubles in the romantic dept. I’m one of the world’s leading experts on such things going awry.

          • Maybe an asbestos anus and he’s all yours? There has got to be a way to get you crazy kids together. Hey they got all kinds of EED clinics around now. I admit Kyle’s need it a little new, but not wrong

          • Steven K.

            Though I’m pretty much a strict top for ….um …Greek. Maybe some asbestos protection for my peener? Although I’m quite happy to do without if Kyle didn’t want to “submit” to such things at this stage yet. I love all kinds of other erotic intimacy and exploration – heck, I’d be thrilled with just the thingy-smushing with a lad like him (well, and getting my fix of his armpits while doing it – that alone would be enough to send me over into quite a nice explosion of my own).

        • LL

          Kyle’s relatively safe from Laampros’ desire for “mortal pleasures” since Anni is holding his attention, but what if they get back to Earth and Kyle is still chained? 🙁 I don’t like Big Red’s interest in our naked hero.

          • Steven K.

            Neither do I.

          • Adam Black

            there, there.

          • Adam Black

            I thought everyone knew you get shrunk down to size when you go through the boom-tube.

            Laampros will fit in Kyles pocket after this and be his comic foil.

        • Laugh indeed…

          Alex only promised Kyle would end up the world’s greatest super hero, but he never promised HOW… So, imagine three chapters of Anni and Laampers destroying the earth, and just when all hope is lost…

          The burning bed (with Kyle still attached) falls from a great height (a la Dorothy Gale) and crushes the villains. Thus Kyle saves us all, but he’s still attached to that damn bed.

          Clearly when I made my Kickstarter “Deal” with Laampros — erm — I mean Alex. I didn’t word it carefully enough. He just promised Kyle would live and be the world’s greatest hero… nothing in there about HOW.

          Laugh indeeeeeeed….

          • Adam Black

            You are right.

            I totally see where this is going.

            Alex has a special kickstarter at the end to fund the print-only epilogue how ( and IF ) kyle is freed.
            I am going on record, now, as saying I totally support this 100%.

            Remember “You can be a hero in your own way…”
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yGeroywBuo

            —-Even if you never get out of bed.
            Isn’t that what we are all here for anyways? Bed heroics?

            So Spooky, ( or Tsumami ) finds Kyle, Gives him ( and us ) a ‘happy ending’ , while aiming Kyles Love Torch at the Villains, and sending them all back to the Dungeon Dimensions. The orgasm that saves the world.

            Is there a danger this might not get funded? Not one bit.
            I’ve got total faith in the fans. ( @Steven K. You are on board, right? )

          • *THUNDEROUS APPLAUSE*

          • Steven K.

            Hmmmm …..depends on who gets to give Kyle that “happy ending” (wasn’t so happy last couple times, even if “pleasurable”) & handle and manipulate Kyle’s “Love Torch”. Heck, has it EVER been established yet if that last orgasm EVER EVEN ended, and if so, when exactly?

          • Adam Black

            I was thinking Spooky or Tsunami for magic protection or can’t catch on fire

            ( Are you kidding. None of this is even real. That Firegasm caused Kyle to hallucinate. Any moment he will wake up. maybe in an asylum )

          • Steven K.

            Well, that first is a good point. Interesting thought to have homophobic Tsunami enlisted to give Kyle a happy ending in order to further the greater good of defeating the villains. “You want me to do WHAT?? ………. (later) …Now, HOW am I supposed to do this??” Though if Kyle doesn’t find him attractive, still may not work.

          • Adam Black

            But in that scenario Kyle is still bedridden.

            It’s up to the YP to pull the trigger.

            Tsunami may be traumatized. But saving the world comes first.

          • Steven K.

            With great skill and finesse, could work.

        • and gets to have sex?

          • Adam Black

            hells yeah.
            cut his losses and take the Northstar into the Dangerroom

          • No Dangerrom for you, young man…

            Personally, I’d be down for…three way!

          • Adam Black

            I’m surprised no has mentioned Kyles need to go the bathroom by now.

            ( what’s better for you, Thursday or Saturday? )

          • either is fine 😛

    • Unless as you said, he’s Duncan’s ride?

      • Jakk Anthony Guzman

        lol, I didn’t see your post before posting.

      • Adam Black

        mebbe. rides can be jacked

        • And assumptions always makes an ass out of folks.

          So um… He could um… nah, I burnt some of dinner tonight, I’m not feeling charitable.

          • Adam Black

            mixed metaphors?

            anything salvageable?

          • Sorta. I wasn’t ready to give 100% to the saying. (Plus I was busy looking for the dirty joke and then remembered I’m not a very good comedian. It’s my delivery.)

            For the most part. Teach me to try to cook bacon wrapped asparagus on the bbq.

          • Adam Black

            do carrots strips instead

          • Bacon wrapped carrots? Is that even edible?

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      Kyle is Duncans ride.

      • Adam Black

        he is….
        I dont see any plates on him tho.

    • uh oh…not a good sign for true love…oh well…maybe after this Kyle will be more careful…assuming he survives.

  • Those finger-with-pointy-nails rock formations are so creepy. They must be related to George.

    • Holly

      OH MY JELLYBEANS! What if the rock formations and George are all just part of one HUGE being?!

      • Exactly what I thought.

        • Holly

          OH that would be just TOO good.

          Also would explain the walls of flesh…

    • Holly

      OH MY JELLYBEANS! What if the rock formations and George are all just part of one HUGE being?!

  • Thomas David Hamilton

    All i have to say is I can’t wait for the next page ^_^

  • vessto

    I have the feeling Laampy gained some weight compared with the previous pages.;)

    Joke aside, so I guessed right Anni suggest only half of his “gifts” and will wait to see if the Demon will keep his word. Imho Laampy only shows disregard but in fact is interested in the deal.

  • CH

    So it occurs to me that Duncan is pushing kinda hard for Big Red to bring his “considerable forces” to earth, maybe in using this key Big Red would be giving Duncan control over him and whatever he brings with him.

  • Looking at Laampros and I always feel like making some pun about him being ‘hot and horny’.

    And all the twists that could be made into a ‘reversed’ Red Ridinghood version where ‘our’ Big Red is the big bad wolf:

    ‘Oh Big Red, you’re hands are so pointy’.
    ‘It’s so I can nail you better’

    In comic-verse I doubt anyone would be able to do this to his face and live XD

    • Cydney Sabin

      I think they might live only because he’s confused and/or finds them to be amusing pets.

  • PFG9000

    Mkay ready to move on from Lampy now.

  • Sapfo

    Laampros and Duncan, to help you with your planes of taking over the world, Maybe you should take over the world in this order.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDtdQ8bTvRc

  • SofiaT

    “What are we going to do tomorrow night, Anni?”
    “Same thing we do every night Laampy. Try to take over the world!

    • Narf!

      • Jamie Dutton

        LMAO! OMG, Lol! I really really really needed that! I’ve had a terrible day due to the horrible half of my family. I was hoping ya’ll could cheer me up better than the vodka and happily ya’ll have! Thanks.

    • Sapfo

      Laampy and the Anni
      Laampy and the Anni
      One is Demon,
      the other´s a villain.
      They are in a collaborates,
      The Keys been spliced,
      They´re a bit kinky,
      They´re Laampy and the Anni, Anni, Anni.

      Before each night is done,
      Their plan will be unfurled
      By the dawning of the GE,
      They´ll take over the world.
      They are Laampy and the Anni.
      It is easy to explain
      they have proven to be villains and insane. ane, ane, ane.

      They will try to take over the world!

      free interpretation of Pinky and the Brain

      • grimsister21

        Someone make a clip of this on youtube! STAT!

  • Any thoughts about what the “walls of blood and pain” are? Is that a kind of Gate to Hell (or out of Hell), or maybe it’s more of a psychological barrier?

    *ponders*

    Okay, so how about this idea? Somehow Hell or Laampy’s domain, is surrounded by George, hence his claw-like appendages and “staring always staring” eye. George’s job is to keep Laampy and co. where they are now but since George is a living fire-proof being, in order to cross over to the other side they gotta go through “walls of blood and pain.” George’s blood and pain…

    Oh dear, I don’t think I like this theory at all.

    Here’s another one, further to my theory of a few pages ago where I expanded on someone’s BRILLIANT idea that all of this is Flyboy reading online comics, I had suggested that he got bored and busted out the Photoshop to create the Mordor-like landscape and HellBoy look-a-like just because that’s what he’s into, but now I’m thinking that this is the group’s computer gone haywire and Laampy and co are some kind of Trojan attempting infiltrate the system via some bad porn link. What about George? He’s the firewall trying to keep Laampy and co out BUT Anni is about to give them the shiny, secret keys to let them in.

    • SofiaT

      In the beginning I thought the Walls of Blood and Pain were the boarders of Laampros’ world but now I think they are the protections of our world.

      • I think you might be right about that but it makes me wonder about the method Anni used to get there. I mean, didn’t he burn his way into that place and isn’t there a big hole somewhere or maybe I’ve got it all wrong?

        • SofiaT

          Maybe the walls are metaphorical -a magical protection that can be breeched without leaving “holes” behind. A trick more than a demolition.

          • I did have that same thought…

          • SofiaT

            That would be consistent with Duncan needing Kyle’s trust in order to “fool” them and pass through them undetected -innocence and free will to counterbalance blood and pain?

          • Steven K.

            Yes – and that’s what my theory above was also intended to imply, but that got kind of lost – lol.

        • Steven K.

          I think that, using Kyle’s emotional and physical powers, with the magical energies unleashed by Duncan’s spell and the sexual + physical energies from Kyle’s nucleorgasm, and those concentrated by and focused through Kyle’s fire/flame/energy manipulating body/abilities (or SOME more cogently articulated combination of all this), a transdimensional portal/”wormhole”/gateway was opened up in the meshwork of interlinked reality frames, allowing Duncan, along with Kyle, to pass from one reality frame or dimension into another, the act of which also released a whole lot of energy into our frame or world as it happened. A great amount of energy must be stored in those barriers – as a great amount would be needed to keep them tightly sealed – so that when they are thrust open by such a combination of forces with physical and metaphysical and emotional energies, that would yield a very exothermic transportation from one reality into the other.

          • Awesome explanation! I think you’re right about the enormous amount of energy stored there. This makes me wonder what else Kyle is capable of if he can blow through reality frames like that.

  • Holly

    I don’t want to go to sleep. I want to keep posting things, but I have run out of brain cells I think….I AM NOT GOING TO SLEEP.

  • Jamie Dutton

    I just had a thought, probably from the vodka, but I’ve been wondering why Anni and Sircea waited til now to do this? I mean besides Kyle’s coming of age thing.
    Anni’s being very persistent in getting Laampuru-kun and his friends to come through to our side, right? And we all agree that their request is rather pedestrian for two such cunning supervillians. What if they have a plan to use this demonic horde and/or their powers to do something about or in conjunction with the Trans-dimensional whatsit thingy? If anyone could find a way to use the events to their advantage, I’d bet my last dark chocolate brownie that it’d be them!

  • Klaus

    Now the bargaining starts. Eventually Duncan will settle for King’s County, New York, and perfect health unending for himself only. Unless, as is likely, he needs Sircea to deliver his part of the bargain.

    • Adam Black

      ye of little faith.

      The bargaining is all a sham. That’s why Duncan is being careless the way Laampros words the deal.

      Duncan is a used car salesman, and we have already seen what we is really selling.

      • Doc Brown’s Delorian?

        • Adam Black

          He is selling ‘everything you have always wanted’ for just 1995. Act today.

          KIndly ignore the example in front of you of the last person who fell for that,
          now chained and bound and under my will and control .
          I wouldn’t do that you. Wise Laampros. You is too smart. No siree.

          • Only $19.95. What a bargain! Are the chains included?

            *kicking tires*

          • Adam Black

            Yes but you have to add your own undercoating

          • *scratching chin* But what are the maintenance fees?

      • Klaus

        Would you buy a used world from this man?

        • Adam Black

          Klaus, you shame me
          I feel like I already did!

      • i want to know what Kyle is selling 😛

  • Putting all shipping considerations aside, I am not in the slightest bit convinced that Duncan is actually planning to let Laampros have free rein to reign on Earth. He’s not stupid, and he and Sircea know a lot about magic lore. I can’t see them believing that Laampros won’t find a way to twist any bargain. The obvious one — immortality isn’t enough. But immortality plus perpetual youth is also not enough. It just means you can be tortured perpetually, and will always regenerate/revive.

    And Duncan and Sircea have been playing a long game. They’ve had plenty of time to think it through. I think this is probably bait, distracting Laampros by seducing him with the shiny he wants, in the same way they seduced Kyle. They may well want immortality and youth, but there’s more to this than a basic bargain with the devil.

    • Adam Black

      Power

  • Sapfo

    Quite honestly, I got dizzy when I watched this. If Laampros come here I find another galaxy. there’s a few to choose from. The problem is how to get there.

    http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/1203/scaleofuniverse_huang.swf

  • Holly

    I just heard what is possibly the greatest bad pickup line ever.

    *guy gives a woman his number*
    Man: I’m just giving you this because i’m worried about your ass. It has spent many years working hard, and carrying a heavy burden. It should take a vacation. Honestly, your ass should retired. Sadly, IT. JUST. WON’T. QUIT!!!!

    • Holly

      This can be applied Laampy, Kyle or Duncan. Though Kyle is not in this page.

      I am going to bed now

      • Sapfo

        Sleep well my Holly!

      • Adam Black

        May you ass release that “heavy burden”,

        and come back refreshed from its vacation.

        and don’t play any funky music before you sleep.

        • Holly

          I’m curious about the funky music. O_o

          • Adam Black

            If your “ass won’t quit ” shaking, you’ll wake up exhausted.

          • Holly

            of course

    • Adam Black

      better not say this to a woman; “your ass….carrying a heavy burden.”

      • Simba Hutchison

        or “your ass should retire” D:

        • Adam Black

          HA

      • Holly

        yeah that is exactly who the line was said to.

  • This is definitely another exquisite page artistically. Boy is there an angle that our Duncan doesn’t look good in? If there is, I’d have to do some searching to find his bad side, because I sure do know a bunch of his good, better, best sides. (ahem)

    I do feel with all the comments below about the negotiation and he said/he said, that in about one more page of negotiating Anni and Laamp are going to start forgetting who “demanded” what exactly and we’ll have to send them off for an all expense paid weekend on Hawaii with the Admiral, lots of muffins, coffee, some decent chocolate, a couple large yellow pads and some pens to take all the fine details of this betrayal down one final time or something unexpected may happen. (Would I be laughed out if I said ‘The Devil is in the details?’)

    And finally, I’d like us all to notice that as of today’s page we’re not even bothering to show poor Kyle’s poor tortured feetsies sticking out in the corner of random panels… he’s just O.S. paralyzed and still chained to that darn burning non-bed. Basically he’s ‘Guy’ in GALAXY QUEST, destined to die on the planet (maybe the elderly will remember him). Maybe, you all are even getting bored with Kyle’s tortured looks and Alex is obviously trying not to disturb you all. Is Kyle still actually in this story anymore? Hellevator duty done… so he’s gone? There were DEFINITELY no puppies in this page. I WAS looking.

    Just checkin with you Duncanites… I’m getting worried that everyone will just bounce off and start busting out the good old walls of blood and pain and forget about Kyle’s poor tortured self since he’s doesn’t really seem important enough for even George F.E. to float over and watch anymore. Has he started to bore even the excellent GFE? Mmm? Just askin’

    I just keep having this reoccurring nightmare:

    CUT TO:

    INT. GLAMOROUS ART STUDIO — Somewhere Far Far Away

    Alex slaps his forehead in frustration and Veronica looks up with her eyebrow raised question.

    Alex: Du-amn. I forgot about Kyle again.

    Veronica: What?

    Alex: Seriously. I forgot and left Kyle burning in Laampland on whatever’s left of that darn burning bed. I was so busy with Laampros and Duncan heading out arm in arm to go fetch Sircea and crapola! I need more coffee before posting…

    DeKraker: I told you dude… write this sh*t DOWN. You are the writer. This is what you do.

    Alex: Fine pencil-boy let’s see you try to keep track of every last line you’ve ever drawn for over umpteen chapters and I don’t know how many pages and…

    Veronica: Boys!

    Alex & DeKraker: WHAT?

    Veronica: Relax. I ordered us fresh coffee and that Thai we all like. Listen Alex, don’t worry you won’t need Kyle to stop suffering before chapter three so you got loads of time and plenty of pages in which to deal with him… Look, he’s already his own key for pete’s sake. Just send in a good incubus and you’ll get him home soon enough to wrap this sucker up.

    Alex: True. Sorry. I’ve just got to get some more sleep. I cannot forget this stuff.

    Veronica: And you are both missing the important issue.

    A&D: WHAT?

    Vero: DeKraker got a last name in this reader’s nightmare. Why is THAT?

    Having launched that sly verbal missile, she turns back to her cintiq tablet with a satisfied little smile…

    DeKraker: Obviously it’s because I have the sexiest last name.

    Alex: (Insert epithet of your choice here) Excuse ME! Woolfson is the sexiest last name there ever was… so get over that right away.

    DeKraker: You know, one more crack out of you and…

    Veronica: Dudes, you both have to ‘get over it’. ‘Gandini’ slams you both re the sexy last name department and…

    DOORBELL RINGS.

    DeKraker: I’ll get the coffee Alex, you write yourself a note about rescuing Kyle or we’ll never hear get to the end of this nightmare. The sleeper is probably boring himself by now.

    Alex: Agreed. But, KYLE IS THE FRICKING HERO! How many times do I have to tell this dreamer, he saves the fricking world. Maybe if I have “Kyle saves the world tattoo’d on my a–

    DeKraker: If you do it, I’ll pay.

    Veronica: (laughs) Just get the coffee ADAM and I’ll sharpen your pencil myself.

    DeKraker: Promise?

    Veronica: It’s not that kind of dream.

    DeKraker: (sighs) It never is…

    Alex: (goes for a pad) Just get my coffee and some curry.

    DeKraker: (laughs) Oh, yes sir, your crankyship!

    THEY CONTINUE GOOD NATURED BICKERING AS…

    A camera pulls up overhead showing them all hard at work. The camera pulls out through the skylight above the studio showing the night sky and the light cast by a curious eyeball shaped moon shining over the rooftops. As the camera continues upward, in the extreme distance, we can just see a dimensional portal open and Laampros’ minions begin to poor through… we wonder if Alex will have time to make his note.

    CUT TO: The YP Command Center.

    Flyboy looks around guiltily and turns off the cool ‘Laampros Simulation’ he’s been running and pays off Spooky’s demon with a Snickers bar, turning the lights off for the evening.

    And that’s the point in the nightmare that ChrisD wakes up, every night, in a cold sweat wondering what is going to happen next.

    • You could just be dreaming about posting comments. 😐

      • Oh lord… now I’ll dreams about that. Thank yew very much.

        • Cydney Sabin

          And then there’s me who has nightmares about losing power on my computer whenever I try to load YP. I think I like yours better.

        • It’s quite a horrible dream sequence too. A long time ago (when I first gained my Admiralcy) I was on a board and had dreams of posting. All that existed was the posting.

          My apologies. 😛

    • SofiaT

      1) “Our Duncan”? You don’t fool me, you’re secretly Team Redilator Chris!
      2) Two thumbs up for referencing Galaxy Quest!

      3) You should write scripts, you seem to have a talent for it! 😀

      4) Kyle’s time shall come, oh ye of little faith. It shall come .

      • LOL.

        Re#4: Not even a little tortured foot? A tiny red armpit? Where is the love? I ASK YOU, WHERE IS THE LOVE? 🙂

        • Steven K.

          I know! We should still be reminded that Kyle is still suffering during all this, although I do happen to be glad that I/we get a reprieve from having to WATCH/SEE Kyle’s pain for once, so that it’s not quite so disturbing for someone of my sensitivities. But here’s one fellow who is NEVER going to forget about him (and those sexy-as-[nonlaamprotic]hell little tufts of red armpit fur).

  • Shasarazade

    That smile in the last panel has me concerned. I think Laampros has found that loophole in Anni’s requests and really will screw him over.

    • Yeah I wondered about that and the bold face type emphasis on Laampros’ first word in panel#5, “And This is what you offer me in exchange for” … kinda like he’s disdainful? Of what I wonder.

      • Klaus

        When bargaining, it is counterproductive to drool over what is offered. Better to give the impression that you wouldn’t mind having it, but it is not worth much to you.

      • TwilightDreamer

        It sounds like he thinks what Duncan requests in return is a small fee to pay for what he’ll get.

      • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

        Laampros may not want to rule the world. The next page may end up with him laughing at Duncan. We still aren’t sure what kind of demon he is — only that he finds Duncan alternately irritating/impertinent and amusing.

        To the gentlefolk who might glance this way and care– Laampy’s probably not an incubus, though I think he assumed the giant red “cockgoblin” form there in response to Duncan’s intentions and possibly Kyle’s desire. I think the real Laampy is the giant creature they’re standing on and the eye… that would make him something very very different. Possibly a fallen Ophan.

        Incubi and succubi are the same creatures- it just depends on whom they’re attacking what you call them. Succubi and incubi collect semen through intercourse use it combined with menstrual blood they collect to create havoc. Semen + menstrual blood = big time magical mojo. They’re low on the infernal totem pole and have few powers they don’t steal from others– Unlike other fallen angels, the Grigori for example, Succubi/incubi can’t produce their own magic. They’re described as sexless though rampantly sexual, dry, reptilian and cold. They don’t often speak, and when they do their voices are rasping, mocking and ugly. They achieve things through desperation, trickery and downright rape. They cannot be contracted, only bound.

        Grigori -called Watchers and Giants- are fully-functioning hermaphroditic beings of incredible beauty. Everything about them is captivating. They will enter contracts and while somewhat smug and manipulative, are generally gracious creatures because they find us interesting and desirable on our own merits. They also have little interest in ruining the world, as they find it fascinating, though they will try to steer it along if allowed. Unless staring at their mangle of semi divine junk you could mistake them for very tall men– albeit vulnerable to drowning (Grigori cannot swim– neither can their offspring, the nephelim. They sink like stones.) and with extra eyes in strange places. Noah’s flood describes an event that was supposed to kill all the nephelim.

        Not that that’s unusual when you consider the Ophanim– called Dragons, Chariots or Thrones– wheels within wheels and towers with some monster parts attached, smothered in eyeballs, lightning and fire. These beings are best described as tanks, chariots and battlestations- the best analogue now being celestial and Infernal transformers. They are creatures of war, primarily, but one fetched Ezekiel in the bible (the original chariot of fire). If i had to guess Laampy was anything it would be out of this lovecraftian-esque group. The sexy booty version is his “tron” (or voice)– the way he interacts with visitors.

        • Maria White

          Or worse, the realm is his master, and he is just the chief of it and he is going to bring his master through with him. ((or a part of him))
          Which is worse, him being the realm, or him answering to a higher power…..

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            You have a point. For me, horror value— Ophan trumps lord of the realm, I think. The other is scary because it’s an unknown value– but Ophanim are martial creatures of judgement and being powerless before a judge of souls who is more inclined to kill me than speak sounds scarier than a boss the size of the house.

    • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

      He didn’t mention perfect health. Duncan also asked for perfect health.

      • Jakk Anthony Guzman

        Perhaps on the next page Duncan will say “And..” and Laampros will say, “Yes, and perfect health too”. The bargain is not finished, or maybe it is. We’ll have to wait. The next two or three pages should be very interesting.

        • Absolutely correct. You know it’s going to be interesting.

          Is it Wednesday yet?

          Maybe we should sacrifice some younger siblings in Alex’s name (I thought I saw in some post that Alex likes that… get the research staff on that checking, please). Oh, and lobby for more pages on a weekend. *strokes three foot long intricately braided beard he doesn’t have*

          Yessssssss… more pages… my preccccccious…

          • Adam Black

            that reminds me of the time I convinced a college roommate who was messing with my stuff, that I was secretly planning to an occult sacrifice of him and his friends . ( good times ) .

            I got the idea from Dirk Gentlys holistic Detective Agency. So I blames Douglas Adams for the whole affair. It’s funny how a few well placed library books and burnt made-up occult symbols shooved in a neglected History notebook, can make a bunch of bullies run crying to the RD. Kids.

          • Much of what I find worth knowing I learn from Mr. Adams… yep…

          • Adam Black

            Its the little touches that count: Like writing scary sounding backwards phrases 2 mm tall at exactly eye level.

            LOL

            When you can’t afford a trapeze sling to sleep in , you have to improvise .

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            This is a beautiful thing.

            The fact you’ve read Dirk Gently is beautiful.

            It’s all so beautiful.

            *cries*

          • Adam Black

            Dirk Gently DIDNT include a NOT warning not to laugh in your RD’s face when your plan surprisingly works perfectly,

            nor a section on how to prevent yourself from getting expelled, and convince the RD that it was empty prank.

            ( “Demonality” is a well known classic of Catholic Theology. Its against Demons. If I’m not allowed to check it out why is it in the Tower Library? ”

            “Yes I put those burnt symbols in His History Notebook. But Only because he has hasnt opened it all semester. I didnt even think he would find it before he flunks the class” )

            ( Ofcourse that means you have to cancel the sacrifice too )

            Which goes back to what I have been saying for years, Douglas Adams was very very Lazy.

          • Adam Black

            that reminds me of the time I convinced a college roommate who was messing with my stuff, that I was secretly planning to an occult sacrifice of him and his friends . ( good times ) .

            I got the idea from Dirk Gentlys holistic Detective Agency. So I blames Douglas Adams for the whole affair. It’s funny how a few well placed library books and burnt made-up occult symbols shooved in a neglected History notebook, can make a bunch of bullies run crying to the RD. Kids.

      • Adam Black

        Because that isnt why he is there.

        He’s not here for a trade. He’s here for a Prize.
        he can get whatever he wants , once Laampros falls for the same trick Kyle did

  • Amy

    While they’re in a conversation, what is Kyle doing? Staring quietly?

    • Klaus

      Seething.

    • TwilightDreamer

      Lol, well he can’t run or protest verbally XD poor guy…

    • TwilightDreamer

      Lol, well he can’t run or protest verbally XD poor guy…

  • bronakopdin

    in fact… as stupid as I may be… I wanna see Duncan in YOUNG…. NOW!

    • TwilightDreamer

      Actually I’m kinda with you there….not that I like what he’s done…but it would be interesting to see him in his youth.

      • bronakopdin

        exactly!

        I hate him for doing this to Kyle… I still hope there’s a reason we just don’t know yet… like him knowing other villains planned sth similiar so he just took the initiative to make the “better” of it… or sth like that… well… anyway we don’t exactly know if Laampros will even accept the deal (though I think he will) but if he does I can’t wait to see a younger Duncan ^^

        • TwilightDreamer

          Yeah, I’m sure he’ll accept, but I’m NOT sure that there isn’t going to be more to this deal than we’ve seen so far…until Kyle is free and away from those two, I’m not going to stop worrying….

    • TwilightDreamer

      Actually I’m kinda with you there….not that I like what he’s done…but it would be interesting to see him in his youth.

    • Tina

      I wanna see him young with Kyle 😛

  • TwilightDreamer

    Anni….just because you’re immune to fire, doesn’t always mean you should play with it….:P
    Oooo…Lammpros is looking pretty pleased….is he going to accept??
    This is too exciting!! XD (except for poor Kyle of course….sorry Kyle! *hugs*).

  • TwilightDreamer

    Anni….just because you’re immune to fire, doesn’t always mean you should play with it….:P
    Oooo…Lammpros is looking pretty pleased….is he going to accept??
    This is too exciting!! XD (except for poor Kyle of course….sorry Kyle! *hugs*).

  • Nate

    Ut oh… I get a feeling Lampy will want one more little thing….

    And Duncan will be forced to make a choice.

    “Sloowwly I turn, step by step”

  • fujoshifanatic

    Oh yeah, Laampros has already found the loophole to this bargain, and I don’t think Anni will be pleased with his end of it when all is said and done. Still, I do think it was rather prudent of him to build in a sort of failsafe–structuring the key so that it would fully activate only once his terms were met–for this deal. Not that it will do him any good against a demon, but it’s better than most other villains plan for situations like this.

  • Tina

    *frowns* and here I was so hoping for Duncan meant Kyle and not PP *sighs wistfully watching the last of my ship sinking into the seas of reality*

    $10 says Laampros will want to keep Kyle.

    • TwilightDreamer

      yep, I’m just waiting for him to demand the poor hero…

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      Yeah, it’s looking very grim for them as a couple, but anything can still happen Tina. I’m sure there will will be many twists and turns and surprises in the story. I’m waiting to see what excuse Duncan will give to Kyle (if he bothers to give him an excuse at all), and how Kyle will react.

      • Tina

        I’m sure the excuses will start flying once Lampy betrays Duncan. Lol thought of a fun way this could work. Lampy somehow gets both keys and opens the gate but manages to leave Duncan and Kyle behind. To return, Kyle has to trust Duncan again and the two sleep together to create another explosion.

        • Steven K.

          I’m sorry, but Kyle is NOT going to climb into a bed (or anything else) with Duncan anytime soon!

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            I’d vote for slamming Dunks’ face into something pavementy before I’d vote for him humping Kyle again. Especially since his motives are unclear.

          • Jamie Dutton

            Preach it, Sonny!

          • Tina

            Exactly! Conflict!

          • Adam Black

            Once Laampros is his bound genie,

            his first wish can be that Kyle forgets the last 24 hours.

            Then Duncan and…. Sircea can have some sexy silver times.

            Those tenrtacles are not just for show.

          • She can reach the remote with them without Duncan having to get up even…

          • Adam Black

            Not just the remote, but all those hard to reach places

      • bronakopdin

        really now… my last hope is that Duncan has an EFFING GOOD excuse for why he did all that 🙁
        hope dies last, folks…

      • motordog

        I foresee those same twists and turns, but at the end of the day Duncan still was a real asshole to Kyle, and totally betrayed his trust. Even if all is not what it seems, and Duncan is trying to imprison the demon and protect Kyle, it can’t excuse the last few pages. Don’t get me wrong, I WANT them to be together, as I found the pairing to be really good, but there is SO much legitimate ‘crap’ to keep them apart, it would take some kind of miracle to get them together without Kyle looking like a doormat.

        Sigh…and I really, really want this ship to float!

        • Jakk Anthony Guzman

          Yes as you say, it would be difficult to them to be in a romantic relationship without Kyle looking like a doormat after all he went through — the betrayal, tied to a bed by a spell and not being able to speak or scream, used as a ride to another universe against his will, and then subjected to terror by watching a demon fondle him. Not knowing if the demon would kill him or not, and not knowing if Duncan was going to abandon him there.
          How could he ever trust anything Duncan says to him again?
          There would really have to be some surprising plot twists that would make it possible for them to have a loving/trusting relationship, at the moment I don’t see how that could be.
          I suggested before that maybe if Kyle had been recruited of his own free will and then made to forget by a spell so he wouldn’t give anything away to Laampros, that it would turn him from a victim to a willing participant and also there would have been no betrayal. That would make it possible for them to have loving and trusting relationship.
          But maybe it’s not meant for them to be in a romantic relationship. Maybe Duncan is meant to help him later on to become stronger and Kyle will find happiness with someone else.

          • Steven K.

            Awww – I feel such empathy with your comments.

      • I like your post Jakk, but I will say the word “excuse” just seems a little insufficient at this point…

        “Oh Kyle… sorry about the misunderstanding… So you say you emailed me about this new ‘NO-helleportation-paralysis-spell-thing’ your currently into? Hey sorry, but I did tell you that I only check my email on weekends, you should have texted me… Hey my bad. Come on, I’ll buy you a beer and…(?)”

        See what I mean… an “excuse” just doesn’t seem quite enough does it? 🙂

        • Jakk Anthony Guzman

          Chris I never meant that anything Duncan says can excuse his callous behavior and betrayal of Kyle. But I was suggesting that he might try to offer some excuse or explanation to Kyle afterwards.

          • Oh, I know Jakk. You were perfectly clear and articulate. I’m clearly the one having trouble today using black & white text and communicating that I am only teasing in fun. I’ll put you on my don’t tease list also, I don’t want to make anyone unhappy.

            You post was swell. I guess I thought my post was so silly, that it was clear, but alas no. Sometimes an odd sense of humor can be more liability than aide.

            Best,
            ChrisD

        • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

          Exactly. Even for me, excuse wouldn’t cut it. There would have to be an explanation and a genuine expression of remorse before I’d even consider letting Kyle be friends with him.

          I’ve been wondering if Alex is playing this as a metaphor. A lot of guys in less civilized areas -raises hand- felt like the first time we had sex with men, we’d go to hell. An older man as partner, a less than satisfying, scary experience, feeling overwhelmed and dirty. It smells like a metaphor.

          • SofiaT

            That whole second paragraph of yours reminds me of a couple of my experiences too (including my first) -and I’m a straight girl.

          • I can tell you where to get a body wash that gets rid of that smell. 😉

          • please do.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Is it Logic scented? XD

          • Steven K.

            I’m still hoping I can get the chance in this life to show a younger man in those circumstances that it DOSEN’T have to be like that with an older man – and that it can be actually quite the opposite.

        • motordog

          lol…’helleportation’…I like it!

    • Dark_Otter

      “$10 says Laampros will want to keep Kyle.”

      Who wouldn’t?

      • Steven K.

        AGREED!

      • Tina

        Meh, not a fan of red heads. Teehee

    • what’s the counter offer?

  • Khun David

    Magneto got youth way back in the 70s. He was turned into a baby. This bargain could turn Anni and the Platinum Princess into toddlers, infants, zygotes or blastocytes.

    • So if this comes to pass, then does the good ship Redilator get smaller and smaller too? Until it’s so tiny that its piratical crew are spilled out into the ocean and become shark chum?

      The theory has a piquant charm regarding Duncan and Sircea and, at times when Kyle is suffering and none of the HSS R’s scurvy crew seems concerned, I might enjoy the idea of a shrinking itty bitty ship… and yet I’m still NOT wanting them to be shark chum.

      No, not chum, particularly since it could cut into the muffin supply.

      Blastocytes… Mmmmmm… Way harsh… (LOL)

      • SofiaT

        Hey, we’re all very concerned for Kyle. But we know he’ll be ok and stronger for it at the end (and we know he’ll save the Earth while he’s at it too) so you can’t blame us if we’re too busy trying to guess Duncan’s much more uncertain fate than get all depressed about Kyle… Doesn’t mean we don’t care for him!

        • Sorry, this was written before I promised not to tease you. Apologies. 😉

        • motordog

          Exactly…we know Kyle is going to be okay. Though he’s clearly in for some bad times, he will overcome them and become a great hero…it’s been confirmed by WoG.

          Though Anni is SERIOUSLY disappointing me now, I still have affection for him as a character…and I really liked how the two of them clicked. I can accept that it might not be meant to be (the two of them together, that is), but I’d rather Anni not be such a douchebag about it. He first appeared as a conflicted anti-hero, now he looks like a selfish, uncaring asshole. It’s no wonder his ‘fans’ are fretting!

          Perhaps Alex is still planning some kind of twisty plot device that can save our ship…far be it from me to not have hope in his skills as a writer…but so far the last few pages have not given me any real hope.

        • Steven K.

          Well, I’m still concerned and depressed for Kyle at the moment, since whatever he accomplishes and whatever becomes of him he’ll still have these horrendous memories and possibly life-scarring and psychologically scaring events to deal with, and because it was Duncan who did this to him, I’m not AS concerned what happens to him anymore. He doesn’t deseve a whole lot of anything positive, anyway. Although I still think it would be a wonderful miracle if there were some way that it could be made believably possible, in a satisfying way, that he and Kyle could be together again (which would be a VERY tall order now, after what has happened), on the other hand, if Duncan has to pay the ultimate price and dies a horrible death leading from what he’s done, well …I’m just not bothered by that idea as much as I would have been before.

      • What who ye call scurvy crew, ye bilge rat! 😛 *shaking cutlass*

        *clearing throat* What Sofia said.

        • Well I’ll just have to suck it up and take ‘bilge rat’.

          You know I need my muffins (and assorted chocolate), so I thought you’d be able to detect my hint of hyperbolic humor in ‘scurvey’ and ‘piratical’. (and of course I was in floods of tears at the time). So, if you put down your cutlass I’ll ask Laamp to get you Estonia… deallllll? *cunning smile*

          • *puts cutlass away, blushing* Sorry. It’s not sharpened anyway.

            I offered a cupcake around here somewhere. And I offer a full basket of muffins because I obviously need new glasses (no really I do). Missed the line about needing my muffins (yes, I typed that even though it sounds wrong XD ). So have two baskets.

            I think all this baling out the ship has tired my brain. I’m gonna commandeer the captains quarters for a long overdue nap.

            It’s been one of those weeks where I keep stepping on toes. So yeah, going over to that corner of the cabin, build a blanket fort and hide.

          • May I join you if I carry your tea?

          • I would hold no objection to such. I could use a nice cup of tea.

          • ScorpioladyCZ

            Well, I’m still on the ship. Whatever goes on, I team Redilator. BECAUSE we don’t know nothing yet! Absolutely nothing! Anything can be VERY different than it SEEMS now. That’s the way with comic that comes one page a few days. Everyone is coming to conclusions and is pretty sure about them and then nother page is up and everyone is changing their ideas again, people are crying (ok, not really), jumping of the ships to be eaten by sharks, etc… God, what is this madness?? 😀 We really don’t know nothing yet, so please calm down, sail the ship Redilator proudly, my dear pirates and wait how plot will unfold! We can be eating cupkakes, offering cupcakes and just enjoy the ride. What do U think? 🙂 🙂

            (This is message for everyone. ;))

          • Well I can’t respond because as the official cryer, I haven’t even laundered and returned Sonny’s towel yet. So, you understand. Now I’d make a joke here about zygotes or blastocytes and how, when you’re that small, shipping is entire a different occupation even sans the scurvy…

            However, I promised Sonny I’m on a diet restricted strictly to demon penis jokes… sooooooo… how about…

            Did you hear the one about the two demons who entered the bar and one said, “I’d like to order a docking demon and make that a double and…….”

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Tsk. You’re only depriving us of joy, Chris. Being careful on my account isn’t necessary. 😉

          • That all we can do at this juncture is wait and gladly will I wait.

            *yo ho ho and a bottle of rum* 🙂

  • Cman65

    You know you want it M ha ha ha ha aha so hard to do the evil laugh on the computer

  • Preludetoa

    I’m going to be extremely naive and optimistic and say that this is a plan to vanquish/bind Laampros. I don’t think Alex wants us to totally hate Anni. Stranger things have happened.

    Sircea and Anni: Demon Slayers.

    • Lotys

      You just gave me hope. Thanks!

    • SofiaT

      It does look like a trap (and I say this regardless of being in Team Redilator). It doesn’t make sense otherwise.

      Duncan admitted to Kyle that he wants to be the Alpha Dog in Earth (propably he lied about the rest of the universe, and he wants that too, but we know he wants Earth as a minimum). Why share it with a demon? And why invite the demon to bring his “considerable” forces too? Just for “never ending youth” and a piece of land on the demon’s back yard.

      Duncan is not the stupid kind of villain and he’s not the hospitable kind either. I doubt he likes to share his toys. Something else is going on around here.

      • bronakopdin

        I didn’t even think about that yet! True, he did say this once!

      • motordog

        I was thinking the exact same thing! It isn’t that I don’t think he’s ruthless enough, but why would an intelligent arch-criminal mastermind do something as stupid as turn the majority of the world over to a demon? Would that really make the best neighbor? I’m so thinking it’s actually an attempt to imprison Lamps…but will Lamps fall for it? I mean, he’s been around for a while, and probably has had to deal with ‘clever little wizards’ before. I find it hard to believe he’ll just give Anni what he wants BEFORE he gets to Earth.

        • SofiaT

          Motordog you’re back! I’ve missed you 🙂

          • motordog

            Hey, kiddo! Told ya I’d be around! ^_^

          • SofiaT

            Are you still on the boat or have you lost all hope yet?

            I hope you having been away for a while doesn’t mean you’re so disappointed in Duncan you’ve lost interest 🙁

            He needs a good kick in the ass, no doubt about that, but we had some nice debates here lately that you’ve missed, good to see you share your thoughts with us again 🙂

          • motordog

            Oh, I’m here for the duration, no doubt. Have I lost all hope? Hmm, good question. Like I said below, paring these two is becoming more and more difficult as Anni does one bad move after another…oh, how I wish Good Duncan existed!

            I guess only time will tell.

          • SofiaT

            I try now to think about the time.

            Because then I realise we have about 2 more years of doubting and nail-biting in front of us and…

            …where is my paper bag??? I feel a panic attack coming!

        • Adam Black

          Solomons Rules = Bind demons to do work

      • purplefoxglove

        Yup, that’s what I think, too. The key he’s offering must be jinxed somehow. It just LOOKS like one of the keys to paradise, but is, in fact, something that grants Anni power over Laampros once he touches it. Like a twisted version of a Portkey.

        • Adam Black

          agreed

    • Randy Patton

      If you look back at the previous dialog, it SEEMS that the “eternal youth and beauty” thing has been the plan all along for Duncan and Sircea. It is very possible that there are more players involved in this than we have seen to date. Maybe Duncan is counting on back up from another source.

      • Adam Black

        im not convinced.

        I think hes playing Laampros.

  • Jakk Anthony Guzman

    What is Kyle going to wear when he gets back? The whole place were they were exploded, there are no clothes around, assuming they reappear in the same place that the left from. Unless of course, Duncan was thoughtful and put some clothes for him in that trunk.

    • LL

      I like that this is your concern atm 🙂

      • Tina

        It is a very big concern! Can’t have poor Kyle running naked through the streets AGAIN

        • LL

          I wouldn’t complain, haha. I would like to see what tricks the artists use to hide his downstairs business in every panel. Might make it even more awkward if he got back to the YP’s hideout, though. He’s already got some ‘splainin’ to do.

          • Steven K.

            Luckily though, I think Kyle could, if needed, cover/hide various parts in flame.

        • Wayne Lunkwitz

          Assuming , of course, that there are “streets” to run through when this whole thing comes down!

          • Tina

            Plot twist. He returns home and everyone’s naked because the flames burned their clothes off

        • Damn… you’re saying I missed the first time?

          • Tina

            Were you in China 10 months ago?

          • Crap. Every time I’m in Asia, I miss a naked boy. It’s simply not fair. 😉

          • Adam Black

            busy man.
            One day you will catch em all.

      • Jakk Anthony Guzman

        I’m trying to stay away from any more speculation about Kyle/Duncan.

        • LL

          Sinking ships are srs bsns.

      • Jakk is our Paladin of Empathy. *nods seriously* Trust me when you’re naked on a burning bed and released all naked… you’ll be damn glad that Jakk was thoughtful enough to bring you a spare change of clean knickers.

        Yep!

        • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

          Hah. I could think of worse white knights.

          • No, Sonny, go with it… I understand you’re an iconoclast of the first order, and I’m marginally sure you would view being naked, magically chained, paralyzed to a burning bed in hell differently than most folk, but try to employ Jakk’s holy power of empathy and imagine what zipping back to earth and being dumped out ‘naked’ in an inappropriate place might feel like to most… see? Clean knickers when you need ’em most. That all I’m saying.

            See… not a bad white knight at all. I think he’s going to do the world proud.

            I support you Jakk. Don’t abandon Kyle in his time of need like some. 🙂

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            I was trying to keep it light and to keep from commenting on the abusive Kyle/Duncan situation until more is revealed.

          • And I most sincerely applaud you for it. It’s more attractive than my false front of insincere humor, all an effort so I don’t cry in my beer.

            I support you in a temporary hold on all speculation! (Hear that you heart stompers!)

            *Chris makes the little up/down/left/right Pharaoh hand-move from The Ten Commandments*

            “Let it be written. Let it be done.”

            Thanks Jakk!

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            You know, I’ve never thought of myself as an iconoclast. Do I smash all that people hold sacred? Hmm… Not sure if that’s a good thing or not.

            *contemplates description* I think I’d be fascinated first and terrified later, now that you mention it.

          • See Sonny, this is exactly why I enjoy posting with you so much.

            It’s really not my day for any nuanced or subtle word use. I think I’m going to punish myself by limiting my posts to ‘one-line demon penis jokes’ for 3-5 days until I’ve learned my lesson. 😉

            I was not in any way thinking of ‘iconoclast’ in the admittedly hostile sounding, “Do I smash all that people hold sacred?” sense. Indeed you do not. You offer interesting and informed ideas and arguments and lead me to, if not change my mind always, certainly to expand it.

            I was noodling the softer iconoclast definition of a “…person who challenges cherished beliefs or institutions, particularly religious. Critic. Skeptic.” Perhaps that’s too much also. Apologies.

            I’ve enjoyed that you’ve come back in our discussions with lots of challenging interesting religio/historical/magical references that I certainly don’t have and then connected it to story and character and are not bothered when I do the same. I’m certainly not imagining I’m right about any of it. It’s just immensely interesting. Anyway, that was what I was thinking with my overblown hyperbolic word-use. That said, it was intended only in silly fun.

            Personally, I’m entirely with you on the fascinated now, terrified later… track. I’ve romped the life gamut from vanilla to kink and played with lots of bondage and it’s challenging from every angle, but I must admit I’ve never experimented with a burning bed. It seemed a bit much. (that’s a joke for anyone unsure) So I understand. But, that you can even move ‘through’ the phase of ‘fascinated’ does make my point that you may be made of sterner stuff than the average layman. [insert adventurous emoticon here]

            I like the fantasy genre because anything is possible. I like living in a world where I can think six impossible things before breakfast and I like all your ideas about magic above because even though I have not one shred of power that’s ever reared it’s head at my convenience to manipulate the physical world (a la magic). I do like to believe that in an unlimited multi-verse, everything is possible somewhere. Right? Sapient-Pearwood Luggage? Hey, why not? It’s a grander and much more fun world that way. At least for me. So, trust me, I would be one to get out the shovel and help you dig.

            All the best,
            Chris

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            I’m not offended if that’s what you’re worried about. I’d hate to see your comments reduced to one liners about demonic cock. Bring on the strange sense of humor. If nothing else it gives me pause for thought.

            Far as the setup you gave me— you implied I’d know I was in hell. In Hell the fire is metaphysical and further described as a manifestation of god’s love. Being tied to a bed, licked by flames of divine love… by jove! I’ve never done that before! All teasing aside, being tied to a burning bed in hell is entirely different to being tied to a burning bed here. If you think I’d lie quietly while someone set me on fire here, you’ve mistaken me for a Buddhist monk with an agenda. XD

            You have to tilt your head like an owl a bit, it helps visualize what I do when I come across something sexually unfamiliar and wonder if it would be FUN. I like fun. That’s not to say I can’t be repulsed outright without contact— I have a lot of turn offs that I’ve never experimented with because the reaction is just too extreme. Burning bed in hell just doesn’t happen to be one, apparently. My mind would be far too occupied for terror.

            Oh, you’ve been to Ankh-morpork on a mental vacation and you’re offering to help me shovel metaphysical shit? Your husband is a lucky man. Now I’m wishing Ghostbusters/Ghostbusting were an actual thing. We’d have so much fun.

          • Steven K.

            Yeah – I’ve been thinking his husband is a lucky man for a long time now.

          • Steven K.

            I bet those hot armpits of yours have looked glorious – all furry and sweaty – if you were spread-eagled in that classic bondage position and all – as delectable as Kyle’s red axillary tufts. You shouldn’t drop life-examples like that – it gets me too hot-and-bothered – and frustrated once again that I haven’t been able to partake of my fantasies like that too much – while a good chunk of existence has had the pleasure.

          • Adam Black

            burning beds are overrated.
            don’t let your whatver for the moment place lit candles above a bed.

          • The wise sounds of one who learned *nods head soberly* the hard way.

          • Adam Black

            Its amazing how fast synthetic sheets burn.
            ( If you live ) you live and learn

          • Steven K.

            That’s a great thought/postulation.

          • Adam Black

            ” ……… ” This is exactly what Hulk thinks before “Hulk Smash”

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            I sort’ve wondered why I wasn’t green and steroidal…

          • Adam Black

            It’s a lifestyle choice….. ?

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Well, I have had a lot of x-rays over the years. Some of that radiation has to have done something. XD

          • Adam Black

            let’s hope you don’t find out

          • Adam Black

            Kyle can clothe himself in Flame

          • Steven K.

            That’s what I was saying, so it’s not totally hopeless for him in the regard of having no clothes. But I also find Jakk’s empathy totally endearing – maybe because it matches mine.

          • Adam Black

            I’d rather him naked than in unstylish illfitting underwear.

            he’s a superhero and appearance is important. It’s hard to find fireproof underwear in flame designs that don’t ride up.

          • Wasn’t Admiral on about Marky Mark earlier… she’ll know what to do about his knickers…

          • Marky Mark did enjoy showing off his.

          • Steven K.

            Ditto!

  • LL

    I think you’re blowin’ it here, Dunc…

  • LL

    American supervillains wouldn’t know what to do with Europe…probably spend all their time taking pictures of themselves burning down the Eifel Tower, the Vatican, etc. instead of actually /enjoying/ the takeover.

    • It’s so true. It’s hard to know what priceless antiquity to destroy first in Europe. With the USA, it’s all mini-malls and tacky stuff anyway. Destroying parts of the US is almost like doing a good deed and where is the evil villain fun in THAT? I ask you?

      See this is how evil villain partnerships always go wrong. Duncan and Sircea run out of cool stuff to destroy and they get bored and end up having too much time on their hands… then they have to start “TALKING” to each other and then everything goes (well back) to hell.

      • LL

        They have an argument and accidentally destroy NYC.

        • I’ve lived in Manhattan. They’re tough there. Either most people won’t notice… or they’ll be pissed, because traffic will be more screwed up than usual because of it. 🙂

  • OnyxLight

    WOW O.o

  • rgleon9986

    Now, I’m in no way insinuating that Kyle has any fault in this. He was decieved, pure and simple, predated upon by an older man who used him for power, but he’s going to catch serious hell from anyone who finds out that this resulted from a tryst with a supervillain.

    • Dark_Otter

      Seriously. If he ever gets out of this, his “Young Protectors” membership guard will probably go in the shredder.

      • Steven K.

        None of them REALLY need ever find out.

        • Adam Black

          because being closeted will help

          • rgleon9986

            Except for the psychic leader of the team.

          • Adam Black

            We really need to be told or shown the extant of her powers.
            If she is Professor X level, it changes everything

          • Look how it’s helped Kyle.

          • Adam Black

            yup

          • Steven K.

            Has nothing to do about being closeted or not closeted relative to his sexuality. What he was led into partly due to that sexuality and ensuing happenings is a separate matter.

          • Actually Steven K., I think I respectfully disagree.

            It’s Kyle’s closeted innocence at 18 (we know how fast kids grow up now) that forced him into dodgy gay bars, his closeted life that has isolated him so that he’s doesn’t have any friends with him on his birthday, that he’s alone and ripe for Duncan’s manipulations, it’s the fact that he’s in the closet that he means he doesn’t even have that “call” buddy you need when you jet out of a bar with that hot guy. The closet is why there isn’t someone, like Spooky, that he trusts enough to tell the “no masturbation” crises too. If Kyle wasn’t in the closet he’d have been dating and hanging out for years and would have been much much more suspicious of Duncan — even if that elegant older man was his cup of tea. Knowing who he is, I think a more worldly super hero, even at 18, would not have given his trust so completely and damn quickly. No blame, and of course, the Duncster is a hottie so he just might… This is all my own humble supposition, but I agree with Adam. Being in the closet set him up perfectly to be alone, isolated and completely vulnerable to Duncan.

            Just some thoughts. Thanks.

            ChrisD

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            This.

          • Steven K.

            Well, we are going to have to agree to disagree in general, though there is a relationship between the two things, but I think they can still be considered separate though related issues. I’ll grant you some of that. We don’t know that the gay bar he went into was “dodgy” – it could have been a perfectly respectable gay establishment. Kyle probably would not have picked one that was really seedy and sleazy. I was out to a handful of friends in high school, but I didn’t have that guy you were talking about the first time I went into a gay bar to call, etc., though I never ended up hooking up with anyone in any of my first trips to one. But I did not go into a bar the first time BECAUSE I was closeted – I can’t see how that has a lot of motivating relationship. I can imagine a gay kid totally out in high school who hasn’t been to a gay bar yet (especially if there is an age restriction at such establishments of no one under 18 – in that case, even if he had some high school friends to actually go with, they couldn’t get in either). Actually, why do you need a “call buddy” if you get out with a hot guy? I think in that case you want to be alone with your new-found squeeze – would you not rather need one if someone you didn’t find desirable was glomming onto you and not leaving you alone? And in response to “If Kyle wasn’t in the closet he’d have been dating and hanging out for years” Huh??? Again, I wasn’t totally closeted in high school – there were some friends and a counselor that new, as well as a couple people outside of school, but I didn’t have anyone to date until I got into college, and didn’t have any other gay friends to do things with. These days it may be different – kids come out at 12 (or at least more kids come out in junior high or high school). But “dating and hanging out” for YEARS before 18?? That would have been paradise for me – having anyone to do anything with before my first year in college. But I can see that, even today, there may be a lot of gay kids that may even be OUT in high school, but there may still not be a lot of guys to date – esp. if it’s in a small town, etc. I guess you have been lucky in countless ways, since our ideas about such things are shaped by our own experiences. On the other hand, if one was really lucky, you just might have had that “special friend” earlier when growing up, or in junior or junior high or high school, that you “fooled around with” (I was never so fortunate) and yet no one else ever knew and otherwise you were totally closeted. Or you might be lucky enough to have a straight friend you are able to confide in, but out to no-one else. We just don’t know ALL the details of Kyle’s early situation. Kyle WAS suspicious of Duncan, but other factors were able to overcome that – and I don’t blame Kyle for the decision he made under the circumstances. He may have made that same decision even if he were out to some people already – if he had a friend in that situation, we don’t KNOW that such a friend would have been able to convince Kyle otherwise. Hey if you have been withholding even MASTURBATING since adolescence, and the guy offering you something WAS very charming and great at alleviating your apprehensions….heck, there’s nothing to say that the friend you might be with woud be even more level-headed than you. In fact, you might have a more extroverted and wild-mannered friend who might not be giving you the best advice. The situation could go the opposite way – your buddy, whom you confide in, might be saying “Way to go dude – an offer your first night out!! High five!! I know you are skeptical and have reservations, but you may not get another chance, and you’ve waited soooo long – I’d go for it dude!!! Sex is sex and you take it when and where you can get it if the person offering is attractive!”, etc. Kyle being out would still have not tempered those urges and desires if he still had not found anyone to sleep with. Even after I came out, I was VERY skeptical and selective with people I “went out” with, and certainly who I might have hooked up with (partly the reason I had very little sex even for years after I came out – as I’ve mentioned, one guy at 19 and not another till 23 – back in the day when HIV was considered a death-sentence). Being “out” and a lot of these other choices and decisions don’t HAVE to be NECESSARILY linked together. I can see the greater amount of emotional vulnerability, but I can see a lot of scenarios where the same results could occur even if he wasn’t as closeted.

          • Adam Black

            Chris explains it eloquently below.

            While I would be the first person to keep it to myself

            ( and later blab drunk, while I am disbeleived ),

            Kyle has shown terrible, terrible , terrible, terrible judgement —-even before he met Duncan —-about what he can safely reveal and what he can keep to himself.

            Any piece of story that he keeps secret, could be later used against him, corrupt him, manipulate him etc. The idea that an 18year old whos powers are connected to their sexuality, is going to permanently suppress all aspects of his sexuality is both insane, and a grave threat to everyone around him. There is no way around this.

            Kyles very bad judgement, however understandable, has lead to the potential destruction of the world. Until he learns what he can safely keep private he needs to become Mr TMI for his sake as Hero.

            Plus everything Chris said. As much as we may not like hearing it, what Alex has written is a story that gay kids need to know. By not finding community they can confide in and be themselves, they risk being taken advantage of. For all we know, Duncan has done this to other gay heros before and there is a support group for Douche-Canoe Recovery.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            *applause*

          • Steven K.

            Hmmm – his powers are connected to his sexuality in an ancillary way at the moment. He can “flame on” without having sex or orgasm – it’s not like he has to cum to use his powers. And also, after he learns a little more concerning the control of his powers, he may be able to control himself to the point where he has learned to not burst into flames during an orgasm. Also, I know it’s only a bit of a distinction, and doesn’t change your point or argument, but world take-over by demonic and Duncmonic forces does not equate to DESTRUCTION of the world. Why would they want control of a destroyed world. So it’s not quite as bad as all that in any case. As for “Kyle has shown terrible, terrible , terrible, terrible judgement
            —-even before he met Duncan —-about what he can safely reveal and
            what he can keep to himself.” FOUR terribles? I can’t think of so many examples of bad judgements “even before he met Duncan” that would qualify for 4 “terribles”. Do we know enough about his earlier decisions to justify this? And I just don’t think that Kyle is as vulnerable to corruption or manipulation through attempted blackmail about this as you think. I don’t think everyone needs to know about this – though of course I agree that a trusted friend or two in places of power or authority could be helpful. Kyle originally thought that Duncan himself would be his protector. I’m not saying the argument you guys have is not without merit, just that it’s not quite as “black and white” as you see it for me.

          • (DING!) And now Douche-Canoe Recovery enters the ring tagging Firection out. Can Cockweasel make it? (DING!)

    • Of course —

      Kyle is gay, thus it must be his fault.

      That’s a traditional media rule.
      Sex is bad.
      Gay is bad.
      Gays having sex is doubly bad.

      The only thing that would really push it further would be a Gay having sex and… being happy. That’s the ultimate blasphemy for the traditional media. So you may be on to something here.

      • rgleon9986

        Well, no, I was mostly suggesting that the superhero community, perhaps including some of his friends, would blame the invasion of a demonic army on Kyle’s relationship with a known supervillain, if they ever became aware of the details of how The Annihilator facilitated his own trip to “Hell.”

        As Duncan said, if Kyle hadn’t been gay, it would have been Sircea who seduced Kyle. The situation would have been the same: seduction by a supervillain I’m order to gain immortality and take over the world.

        • Jakk Anthony Guzman

          I understand your post, but at the same time it IS a gay relationship being shown in this way, not a straight one. And Chris is right the media likes to show horrible, tragic endings in gay relationships.

          • rgleon9986

            So, are we saying that the internal media of this fictive world are going to portray the relationship as such if it becomes public, or is this a criticism of Alex’s depiction of gay relationships?

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            I’ll let Chris handle the internal media of the fictive world. This story is far from finished and we don’t know how it’s going to turn out yet. So I’ll withhold any judgment until the story is finished.

          • rgleon9986

            I see. I suppose I find it hard to believe that Alex could be included among the media that you’ve stated “likes to show horrible, tragic endings to gay relationships,” and that I believe his stories to show the kind of stylized, dramatized romantic relationships that occur in comics in general. Very rarely do characters in comics, whatever the respective gender make up of said relationship, have stable, happy, normal, long-term relationships. In fact, I believe it was official DC comics policy for some time that their characters could not marry. I’ll try to find a reference for that statement.
            I guess what I’m trying to say is, considering the fact that this is a relationship between two super-powered individuals on opposite sides of the spectrum of hero vs villain, a betrayal, even a tragic ending, is not out of the ordinary, and that the fact that it’s two men in the relationship doesn’t make much difference. If it were a man and woman, or two women, I’d like to think the story would be pretty much the same in its content, substance, and message.
            I identify as a straight man, but I enjoy these stories because they’re dramatic and powerful, and the themes transcend the sexual orientation of the characters. I enjoy reading about their romance, because it’s compelling. This betrayal was hard to read because Kyle’s innocence and emotional investment was taken advantage of by someone older who manipulated him emotionally; I don’t add the caveat, “plus, they’re gay!” Or, “well, they’re gay, so of course it didn’t work.” Even if the relationship ends tragically, it’ll be because that’s where the drama led, not because it’s a story of two gay men.

          • SofiaT

            Well said.

            If anything, we have the added benefit of knowing that, since this is the kind of story Alex would like to have read while he was growing up as a gay kid in a “straight world”, it will not end tragically for our little hero, regardless of the outcome of the relationship itself.

            And surely, he’s not trying to demonize or victimize anyone based on their sexual orientation.

          • rgleon9986

            Hear, hear!

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            Yes superheroes are always being kidnapped by super villains and tortured, etc. But almost all the main superheroes are mature men, whom people assume can take care of themselves. This character is an innocent teenager, which is probably why people feel more protective of him. As to your point about being more dramatic in this way, the mainstream media always finds an excuse to portray tragic endings in gay relationships.

          • rgleon9986

            Perhaps it does, I can’t comment as to that. I can say that, having read both Artifice and this comic from the beginning, I would not include Alex’s work, especially regarding same-sex relationships, as part of said “mainstream media.”

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            There I would agree with you about Alex’s work not being part of the mainstream media. There is a paucity of gay characters in comics and TV. We are now beginning to see some gay characters on TV and a few gay superheroes in the mainstream comics.

          • Steven K.

            Perceptive reply, kiddo.

          • Steven K.

            All very well-stated and agreeable!

          • Steven K.

            I think Jakk MAY have been worried that the “internal” media of the story may react to Kyle’s part in helping to facilitate the demonic invasion (if that ever “got out” somehow) in such a way that the media in our world have often reacted to or portrayed gays – in various unfavorable shades or lights.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Really any queer in mainstream media faces this.
            Some examples:

            Asexuals are stunted. They can’t be allowed to live normal lives. They can’t be shown in sexual relationships with non-asexuals. Their normal lack of libido is punished and mocked at every turn if it’s mentioned at all. Or it’s shown that they’re just “late bloomers” after all.

            Transexuals can expected to be made out like freaks and whores. Your average transsexual character doesn’t even last a whole show– they’re often killed outright in pornographic levels of violence. Think about Miami Vice for a moment,the original show, not the remake. Switek’s longtime unseen girlfriend (the girlfriend he keeps going back to at the justice department) was a transwoman. Sonny’s reaction to Switek originally finding out was “…so? That means you can’t date her?”— that has more compassion and acceptance in it than entire seasons of Law and Order, and it was written in the 1980’s.

            If you’re male bisexual you’re a rampant bastard who lies, cheats and spreads diseases. If you’re female, you’re a faker and just waiting for the right cock to come along. Even in Torchwood, with its mostly bisexual cast, nobody had a happy ending. This was implied to elevate the relationship between Jack and Ianto to true love– rather than just sex. COME ON. Did Ianto need to die to prove that their relationship was worthy? This is what I was complaining about on that other post– I do not need to preached to that my feelings for another man are just as heroic or romance worthy as those I have for anyone else.

            Lesbians don’t get a walk either– they’re always always hot, so long as the media can imply they secretly long for dick. Real lesbians have a tendency to get put on a bus somewhere off show or made out to be psychopathic man-haters.

          • I new if I waited long enough someone smart might respond better than I would. Thank you Sonny. LOL.

            rgleon9986 no one is in any way upset with your initial post. If I’d been smarter, I would have reacted by starting a new topic with my rather global musings about gays and media. It wasn’t fairly a ‘reply’. It was all much more about my emotional response in empathizing with you about Kyle’s possible futures than it was about anything you wrote.

            So, my response about mainstream media and gays was only in that broadest sense. Anyone who has grown up gay is aware of what I’m referencing. A person who has quite possibly survived living with a highly emotional unsafe secret within their own family, survived high-school, survived building a career with many uncertainties if your job is not sympathetic (etc…) understands what I mean.

            Being gay was illegal in many states only a few decades ago. It was only in 1973, that the APA declassified homosexuality as a mental disorder. others followed in ’75 and finally the World Health Org. in 1990.

            Wow…1990… and the ‘mainstream’ has officially decided that a strict diet of penis or vagina doesn’t mean you are mentally disabled.

            So the idea of blame, gay, etc… just took me to a hard place. Not yours or Jakk’s fault, certainly.

            A gay person’s reaction to their representation in the media goes back a long way. Long before any of us were around and it’s deep and all pervasive. It’s almost hard to point out all the ways in which we, as any minority is, are surrounded by the assumptions and representations of the majority (heterosexuality in this case). It’s no one person’s fault, but that doesn’t make it easier.

            Even to the point of Academy Award winning main-stream media… This topic made me remember how conflicted I was by the portrayal of the fictional character of Buffalo Bill as the deeply deranged killer in the amazing film the SILENCE OF THE LAMBS. I remember being overwhelmed with how well the film was made, the amazing acting performances and then being so emotionally distraught by how difficult and painful Gender Identity Disorder is and (especially at that time) how the world lumps all types of ‘gay’ together — and of course to me at that time — the crazed killer just had to be gay and damn it had to be a good film too!

            I do note that these ‘conversations’ can be difficult at times because our discussions, often weave back and forth between real-world ideas and those of fiction. And yet, often, it is how those things interweave that instigate the most interesting discussions.

            Finally, I would like to say that it wasn’t necessary for anyone to even remotely take my real-world ethical gay musings and imply any sort of criticism or comment of Alex or his work. Honestly, that was the issue that made this a little harder to reply to in a timely way. I didn’t say ANYTHING that would imply that.

            I support Alex vocally, financially and unreservedly. Alex is honestly the reason that I’m such a fan. It was reading his personal words on “why” he chose to make these books, his work with The It Gets Better Project which, after losing gay friends to suicide, I couldn’t support more. His Kickstarter work, and many other activities of his that I find entirely worthy and that have made me such an unreserved fan.

            His ethics, commitment to his community and unbelievably hard work to create fantastically smart gay supportive art couldn’t be more laudable. I’ve written that publicly and I’ve written it to Alex privately, at different times, and I believe he has no doubts that I support him entirely… philosophically most of all.

            So, I’d most respectfully ask that we don’t use the questioning of a fictional idea or the good natured discussing of posited character paths or possibilities, or indeed any discussion of “GAY” itself as any kind of criticism of Alex and his choices in this work. It is just not a true thing.

            SofiaT said very fairly to me yesterday, (paraphrase) “Please don’t put words in my mouth… even in jest.” She was quite right to do so, and I kindly ask the same for myself. Irony thy name is ChrisD.

            So there you go. None of it having anything to do with your interesting question about what various characters might think of Kyle in the future. I’m sorry you felt inappropriately responded to.

            Take care.
            ChrisD

          • Steven K.

            Gee – and I thought some of my posts were long. Not that I’m complaining, since you have a lot of the best ones here, and usually better thought out or phrased than mine.

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      I like to comment further on your post.
      First, yes I think Kyle will be blamed by his teammates and others if they find out he was part of the unleashing of demons on the world. Until he explains to them that he placed himself in this position because he is gay and can’t have sex with anyone, and that the only person whom he knows that is fireproof is the Annihilator.
      And second, Kyle will blame himself too if demons are unleashed on the earth resulting in the death of many or millions and any havoc that comes of it.
      That is why I said that I understood your post.
      Kyle is in a bad place now and nothing is going well for him. Let’s hope things start to turn around for him soon.
      I’ve had this same thought too, it’s a valid question and I’m sorry it got sidetracked by the “mainstream media” part of it.

      But many gays are very sensitive on this point because traditionally gays are blamed for everything, including natural disasters. “Those sinful homosexuals have brought the wrath of god on us”, or “Society is going to hell because of the homosexuals” or “Gay marriage will lead to the destruction of society”.
      And here you have a fictitious young gay man who may actually unleash a demonic plague on the world, unwittingly of course, and people will blame him.
      So yes, your point about having society and/or his teammates blame Kyle IF a demonic plague is unleashed (even though in a fictitious story), is part of the pattern of societies blaming gays for everything that goes wrong.
      And in this case they would be right, he was part of it even if he was duped.
      At the same time Kyle is a gay superhero and they are always being abducted by the supervillians who are trying to kill them, in other words, everything happens to them because they are the main character. There is no way you can have a gay superhero as a main character and not have all kinds of stuff happen to him, there would be no story.

      • Steven K.

        You seem so smart and perceptive and adorably empathetic and cute.

  • SpookyDomme

    I have to keep reminding myself that there’s no way Duncan’s not playing him.
    Um. I think.

  • Wayne

    Ut oh. That’s usually the kind of expression and language a demon uses before the classic ‘oh and you’re screwed’ twist reveal. Like, Duncan gets the ‘American Continents’ but 10,000 years in the past, or he gets them but they’re underwater from the demonic invasion, or something 🙂

  • Summer

    Dangit, Alex! Stop leaving me speechless! I can’t even guess where this is going to go!

  • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

    Put the screws to him, Dunks, before your hubris gets the best of you. You are the New Odessan Odysseus and you too possess the power of epic earthshaking bullshit. Make it work for you.

    Kyle… just keep being adorable, even though we can’t see you, and try not to think that the ground you’re on could be the real Laampros…

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      Actually, I’m glad I didn’t have to see Kyle at all on that page. I don’t enjoy watching him being helpless and suffering.

      • Steven K.

        You and me both kiddo!!!!!

        • TheManBehindTheCurtain

          Never had bondage fantasies, huh?
          .
          So tragic for you. 😛

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            Nothing wrong with bondage done between two consenting adults. Kyle never consented to this. This is being done against his will, more similar to rape.

          • Consent of loss of volition could have been inferred/implied by Kyle’s willingness to be with Duncan…from a demonic standpoint of course…

          • Steven K.

            I’d never agree with that at all. He never consented to the bondage or anything that happened afterwards (and his ability to flee from anything that he did NOT like – or even to say no – was taken from him after the chains appeared on him).

          • Again, from a demonic standpoint, Kyle already entered the deal by literally getting in bed with his theoretically worst enemy…

            Thus, again, he willingly foreswore cries of true innocence.

            Or perhaps my judgement is crueler than even that of demons, for that is how I would also see it if I was in Mr. Lampy’s position.

          • Steven K.

            Exactly kiddo – you tell ’em!

          • Steven K.

            Never said that – but in my bondage fantasies I get to choose who is involved – certainly no monsters not of my own choosing are included. And I’m usually topping.

      • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

        I don’t think any of us is enjoying that part.

      • TheManBehindTheCurtain

        Actually he;s stuck in a state of greatly hightened pleasure. Anni stated this just before he used Kyle to cross over to Laampros’s world/dimension.
        But yeah, he is currently helpless.

        • Jakk Anthony Guzman

          PHYSICAL pleasure, while terrorized out of his mind.

          • Steven K.

            We never found out if that physical pleasure ended at any point yet. If it didn’t, maybe he should just close his eyes, tune out the harsh Anni-Lamp voices, and meditate and concentrate on the feelings in his dick and enjoy the sensations – if nothing else than to get his mind off the terror around him. That’s the only good thing out of this for Kyle – an epic orgasm going on for minutes and minutes. Maybe even I would let a demon ogle me and scratch my chest if I could get to experience something like that (minus the emotional hurt and betrayal part, etc.).

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            I’m guessing that it hasn’t ended because the spell that’s keeping him bound and helpless hasn’t ended. I think as long as that spell lasts he will keep feeling the enhanced physical pleasure which is part of the spell.

          • Adam Black

            I have suspended all real world logic, since the dimension jump. Moral, Physical, Biological.
            I think we have to assume we are outside normal time flow. If I am right then only seconds have passed.
            All my recent comments stem from this Extended suspension of Disbelief.

            What you just said is my justification for this. I’ve just learned your of Education in Biology.
            You probably know what laws that breaks. He probably would have run out of the raw materials for hormones, and be in permanent brain damage right now.

            Unless it subtle, its going to wreck every orgasm he has in the future.

          • Steven K.

            I know to that last bit. But I also agree with what you say at the beginning – so…because there was/is magic involved (we know the spell enhances the pleasure, etc.), certain feelings could be continuing, magically aided, despite what might actually be able to be happening in the brain. Similar to a magically induced hallucination, vs. one caused by some neurological abnormality or crisis. I’m just talking about these “magically-induced” things as if they are real because I am working within the YP fictitious world where we have countless things that don’t exist or can’t exist in our “real world”. Oh – you probably meant neurotransmitters rather than hormones, although Norepinephrine would be considered both – but, in any case, those are continually being formed from components, then broken down and recycled over and over again – you could have constant break-down and re-binding to make a sensation continue (not that that happens that way under most normal circumstances, but we aren’t dealing with our “normal reality” here in this story). Again, who knows what influences those magical elements are having, though I know magic is supposed to obey certain “natural” laws, though not the same sense of “natural” as in “scientific”, etc. I’m sure SOTABH could clarify that more fully.

          • Sounds suspiciously like the old return to the exact moment you left. Leaving Kyle magically untraumatised because “those” even never happened? It tthat where this goes?

          • Steven K.

            Huh? What? Me? Not quite sure I’m understanding your implications, but….I’m just talking theoretically/conceptually here. Not trying to excuse anything or any behaviors whether Kyle’s not-so-happy-happy-ending still has some continuing/smouldering PHYSICAL pleasure attached to it. In any case, if I were being made to experience continuing physical pleasure like that, I’m not sure I’d want that unless it were under more positive general or overall circumstances. Kyle’s future desires and eerotic life may get a little warped if this gives him some sort of Pavlovian conditioning associating sexual pleasure with such otherwise horrendous events – or just further prevents him from wanting to get off with anyone/anything again (which was sort of where he was stuck in the beginning due to his flamegasm situation – this might make things worse).

          • No. Don’t like. Suspend time please.

      • I don’t either. Cuts pretty close to the bone, so I agree with you.

        I must admit, I will be glad when Kyle becomes part of the story again. As good as it is (and I know a lot of people don’t feel the same way), but I feel like I’m just marking emotional time until we get that boy un-paralyzed and unbound.

        Admittedly, that doesn’t mean that his situation will be anything good. It’s not like he’s got friends in his corner, but still he’d be unchained. And, again for me, I have real trouble with the whole paralyzed thing. I can’t think about that too closely because it takes me to very bleak places. I think, as a plot detail, that may sit hardest with me when it comes to my feelings about Duncan’s character arc.

        Interesting the details that move us, isn’t it?

        Thanks Jakk.
        – ChrisD

        • Some inner monologue would be good from Kyle.

          • SofiaT

            I don’t like inner monologue in comic books. Unless there’s a narrator (the hero), so you see the speech in squares on the top left corner of the panel, not speech bubbles. And still, I prefer body language for conveying feelings. A clenched fist, a face lined in agony, a tear escaping can have a greater impact on the audience that words.

          • Show vs Tell. I guess I’ve always preferred a bit of both because for me action doesn’t always convey thought.

          • SofiaT

            Depends on the medium and of course the source. The latest Jane Eyre movie is fantastic in the way it uses long silences to convey emotions. Doesn’t always work though.

          • Then of course there is the way each person translates what those silences, looks, actions mean.

            Of course the written medium is different than the visual mediums. If someone is going to shove their way through a crowd, I need a few more clues than just shoving their way through a crowd to inform me the mood.

          • SofiaT

            True. I was just watching the 1995 Persuasion movie (Rupert Penry-Jones is swoon-worthy as Captain Wentworth and that’s the only good point of the film really). The director was a weird one. The long silences were more ridiculous than heavy with emotion and the camera kept moving in a strange way, supposedly to make you feel the inner turmoil of the heroine -but it just made me dizzy.
            So, just like words, which can slice through you or bore you to death, silence and body language must be used properly in order to be effective or they become a joke.

          • So, just like words, which can slice through you or bore you to death, silence and body language must be used properly in order to be effective or they become a joke.

            I concur most heartily!

            Googles Rupert Penry-Jones. Why did I not know of this man? I need to take more interest in Jane Austen and the Bronte sisters.

          • SofiaT

            You should!!

            Jane Austen is my soulmate. Or she would have been if I was born 200 years earlier 😛

          • I’m not certain why I never did. I will need to fix that. A suggestion where to start?

          • SofiaT

            The BBC Pride & Prejudice is of course a good place to start. The movie Jane Eyre with Michael Fussbender as Mr Rochester is simply amazing. And the BBC Emma of 2008-2009 is very good too.

          • I’ll have to check those out. Thanks!

          • SofiaT

            And Sense & Sensibility!! Both the BBC series and the Emma Thompson movie -the latter, mostly for Alan Rickman. He makes an excellent Colonel Brandon.

          • *Chris bites lip and almost draws blood in an effort not to post totally gratuitous provacative teasing reply…. ungggg… some inner organs experience actual stress from his restraint… but he is as good as his word to Sofia and refrains.*

          • SofiaT

            By all means, say what you got to say!
            I’d hate for you to get sick from not expressing your thoughts 😛

          • Thank you doctor. You are kind, but I find myself much better today. 😉 (and the joke wasn’t that funny.) *snort*

          • Adam Black

            Anybody read http://www.Lovecraftismissing.com ?
            ( scooby doo illustrator drawing lovecraft metafiction )

            Its also gotten “lovecraftty” now.

            I mention it because I’m finding it harder to hold all its plots threads in my head without a narrator.

          • Indeed.

          • Adam Black

            Terrible idea.
            Have some empathy for poor George Finnegan.

            There he is, with no arms and legs, while you bemoan the cramped privilege of the many-limbed. Kind of puts it into persepective, doesn’t it?

            He’s doing his best, as we speak, trying to pack all his possessions, and put on something fashionable—Have you any idea how hard it is to find your size when you are compared to a “Giant Floating Eyeball” in the stores? If the clerks don’t run away screaming, they just glare at you with rude remarks about the “Sunglass Hut ” at the other end of the mall. As, if.

            Then there is the mental torture of it. You sonically-privileged people may not have noticed Finnegan lacks convention ears. He’s forced to pick all thoughts telepathically. He’s fretting and tearing , knowing that none of the outfits he has will be right to this “Paradise” he’s being dragged to, and now extra-dimensionally-privileged watchers want to careless add to his burden, by adding a continuous mental scream.

            Do you see?
            It’s more vocal-Privilege. It’s not like George can scream when he wants. Kyle on the other hand has a perfectly good mouth, some would even say kissable, and he will have time to use it and scream later. Meanwhile Finnegan has had millennia of dry eye, and no one has even offered him a drop of visine.

            Just a little perspective.

          • Okay, but what part of “It’s Hell” do we not understand here? 🙂

          • Adam Black

            The Starbucks in the Middle

          • Why doesn’t it surprise me that there is a Starbucks in hell?

          • He obviously didn’t go to the Big and Eyeball store.

        • Steven K.

          But I’m feeling mostly the same way – though that he’s bound, naked, and mute upsetting me , as opposed to his being paralyzed.

    • I’m so behind in catching up with some of these really interesting ideas that I have to savor this one, because I must say, the idea that Laampros is really the larger world around them, and the devil we’ve come to know in the last few pages might just be its mouthpiece-appendage. That is just a really fun idea. Laamp. already was a supremely cool character… but love it.

      Your remark about Kyle continuing to be adorable reminds me of that famous Winston Churchill remark in response to a woman who accused him of being an obnoxious drunk:

      “My dear, you are ugly, but tomorrow I shall be sober, and you will still be ugly.”

      At the end of this journey, as long as we assume his survival, Kyle will still be hot damn adorable. Poor thing. He could just be Admiral’s new Marky Mark. *laughs*

      Best,
      ChrisD

      • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

        … now imagining Kyle belting out “return of the mack”…

      • Steven K.

        Ooooh – Ooooh – That reminds me of my favorite alleged Churchill quote (sometimes reported to be part of the above exchange) It’s actually Lady Astor who tells Churchill he’s drunk. Then Churchill replies as above. Then Lady Astor says: “Mr. Churchill, if you were my husband I’d poison your tea.” To which Winston retorts: “Madam, if I were your husband I would drink it!”

  • Wayne Lunkwitz

    Giving Duncan eternal youth = swimming the gene pool from which he spawned FOREVER while Laampros does whatever he pleases ….with his new toy planet!

  • Wayne Lunkwitz

    Giving Duncan eternal youth = swimming the gene pool from which he spawned FOREVER while Laampros does whatever he pleases ….with his new toy planet!

  • Marie Laurent

    I’m so glad there’s another key to activate, I was looking at wednesday’s like “and you don’t expect him to just take it and ditch you in hell?”

  • ladykazumi

    why did you raise the donation pool from 200 to 400?

    • Lady Mania

      It’s always been four hundred, yes?

    • SofiaT

      Alex’s words: (commentary, chapter 1, page 6)

      “With Artifice, I set that donation target at $250.
      But with The Young Protectors, I’m working with two artists and my per-page expenses have gone up, so I’ve had to raise the donation target to accommodate that. I hope y’all will understand—even if we hit the target every week, I still wouldn’t be breaking even with my costs to create these pages, so this isn’t about me looking to buy a villa in Tahiti—but it does make it so I can afford to put out the extra pages, even if it becomes a regular thing (such as it did with Artifice, much to my surprise!) And, as I said above, no matter what, there will be a new page of The Young Protectors up every Saturday. The “bonus pages” are really meant just to be a fun way to say “thank you” to the donators. Because you’re awesome.”

      http://webcomics.yaoi911.com/archive/ete-page-6/

  • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=377Qjg0Fxog

    This song puts words to my fears over Sircea and Laampros.

  • Lady Mania

    so much left open for interpretation. Duncan just screwed himself in a hundred dozen ways just by how he worded, or didn’t word, his demands.

  • Camislikesocool

    Duncan should have gotten a contract lawyer/demon to write a contract before he even spoke to this guy. I can already see all the loopholes to this contract. *shakes head*

    • you should write those all down and mail them to someone and then have someone post them when the series ends…it could be in the last set of comments or whatever lol…something we can all read as we sob over the end…or not lol…

  • KryX

    Comparing the expressions in panels 3 and 5 I’d say that each of them thinks they have it over the other. The next step will be to negotiate the exchange, that should be touchy. I can’t help but think of our local BART strike negotiations as I write this.

  • amanda

    since kyle was fostered I keep expecting some demon things to pop out and go on about there lost prince returning or something!
    we need some origin of kyle because ideas keep popping up in my head!!

    • you’re awesome…i’d love to see Kyle’s expression when he reacts to that…”And now Kyle…about that fire stuff…”

    • Steven K.

      THAT scenario would be nifty!

  • You know.. just had a thought.
    Team Redilator’s should be careful that the ‘enemy’ isn’t infiltrating your team and take over Hawaii. You could be tricked.

    Since we’ve nicknamed Laampros ‘Big Red’ – someone saying they’re Team Redilator could actually mean they support Big Red and Anni .. sneaky them >.>

    (clearly my mind wanders in strange directions tonight xD )

    • Steven K.

      Right – and there were a couple occasions where I initially thought that “Big Red” referred to Kyle (maybe some Freudian wishful thinking), though quickly realized there was a more obvious fit.

      • Adam Black

        “So kiss a little longer,

        stay close a little longer
        Hold tight a little longer

        Longer with Big Red

        The Big Red freshness lasts right through it

        ….. goes on and on
        While you chew it
        Say goodbye a little longer,

        make it last a little longer

        Give your breath long-lasting freshness

        With Big Red”

        In my head now

        • Steven K.

          “YOUR FRESH BREATH goes on and on” is the missing bit.

          • Adam Black

            more suggestive without

          • Steven K.

            Oh – well yes – I see that it is – lol – but since that’s the ONLY bit you left out, I thought maybe the phrase escaped you – though you did a good job at remembering the rest, so maybe I shouldn’t have assumed you forgot the other part either. But kinda scary that that ditty was branded in our collective and individual minds to the extent that it can be recalled so thoroughly to begin with.

  • Soubi

    Laampurru-kun, I don’t like where this is heading. Stop it.

  • b3nc0

    Does anyone else picture a bawling, though perfectly healthy -thankyouverymuch- forever toddler Duncan?

  • This is h…ugh…I want to say “this is heating up fast” but then I feel silly, lol…haha!

    No seriously, this is definitely going places…

  • Amanda

    Has Laampros gotten a little chunkier the last few pages? Before world domination maybe he could consider a nice workout routine. No one wants to be looking at their demon overlord and thinking he’s let himself go.

    • Well nothing packs on the unwanted pounds like a steady diet of puppies and toasted human flesh…

      • Amanda

        I hear that human souls are even fattier than puppies!
        I think I saw it on the last Richard Simmons infomercial!

        • Steven K.

          Hmmmm – human souls may be “heavy” in terms of their energy level – very dense and not lofty and refined as compared to that of “higher” spiritual beings – but neither should be particularly “fatty”.

          • Adam Black

            really depends. Every once in a while you find a male filled with heavy cream.

          • Steven K.

            You are turning me on again – I love it when that happens – *sigh*.

          • Adam Black

            I can take no responsibility for other peoples reactions to my jokes: wordplay, witticisms ribaldry, innuendo bizarre true life stories.

            On this board they are meant positively. In that spirit, as I am free to make harmless quips, ( with judgement )

            you are free to react positively, however you wish, if you own it

          • Steven K.

            HA! Did that post ever come out wrongly – I really should have been more careful or should have read first what I had written before posting. I did in fact mean to say that your post/discussion was turning me on, with that talk of men filled with heavy cream. I did not mean to indicate that I love it when your posts turn me on – actually, I get rather frustrated, so truthfully, I think I’d rather if none actually did in fact turn me on – don’t really need that. The thing to which I was referring, the thing that I actually love when it happens, is indeed finding a male filled with “heavy cream”. It really turns me on to find myself with a guy in the midst of his release to find that he releases an awful lot, or a very copious and/or heavy load. That really excites me and makes me more prone to do the same (I know, too much information, but I’m getting to the point in my life that I’m tired of being discreet.)

          • Adam Black

            So you meant to say, that you hate it when I turn you on, because you actually love being covered in copious amounts of man-goo …?

            ( pauses )

            ( aside: I am well aware that ambiguities in the English language allow one to express opposite things with the identical words. and the lack of tone-of-voice in text facilitates this misunderstanding. I hope you consider this when you read MY writing and I encourage you read multiple voices into it to find the right fit.

            I hope you can see that I am not making fun of you by pointing out your response was a **LOT FUNNIER** than your original comment. From the very first line, Every line is just leaky with creamy white joke potential.

            I sympathize with your desire to speak your mind freely, thus it is ironic, while you have filled my head with images of you covered in Gallons of white ( like a long day at work at the sexy glue factory ) I feel I am restraining myself, by not taking your setup, scoring a touchdown, winning the championship game, and humor porking all the teammates in the lockeroom.

            Sadly, meta-humor just doesnt pack the punch. Sometimes you just want to **let go** and **let it all out*** ( sigh ) .

            But , Sometimes, when a person is less experienced , taking it from all funny sides, a more sensitive touch is required. Then, he can learn to slowly, methodically, —even rhythmically—-take that joke , deep, deep , inside himself—like it belongs there — over, and over, and then let loose an a fantastic gushing response, into the minds of readers, that leaves their faces just dripping wet with emotional release.

            aaaaaah. I hope you can get to that point. even if its not me. Watch @chrisdangerfield:disqus s exchanges. He can take a humor missile and return a volley of atomic comedy plasma faster than a nuclear plant built on a bawdy fault line, next to a salty man-sea. ….. I’m going to stop there before I accidentally create a cancer-inducing fetish in someone.

            ( That’s some social-awareness right there too. )

          • Steven K.

            No – hate it when you turn me on ‘cuz it gets me all frustrated and I don’t have any way to relieve the sexual desires and tensions it re-kindles (other than doing so alone). Not so untalented with the clever innuendo yourself, just about dripping all over your reply above (though unfortunately leading to more turning on and more frustration). Alhough I also have great passions for art, literature, music, etc., I guess I’m still a scientist by calling/nature, etc. – so I’m not quite as skilled in creative word-smithing. As for being good at humor at the moment, I’d say I’m doing ok considering the circumstances I’ve had more adversities lately than I can begin to tell you, and some days it surprises me that I can crack a grin, let alone be a quick-draw jokester. But I’m tryin’ to do better with feeling better.

          • Adam Black

            for starters, if you don’t think you are good enough for yourself no one else will.

            Its not like my cats lend a paw.

            have you tried “making a man with blonde hair and a tan?” . that has worked for a few people

            I am pain patient so I suspect I could go toe to toe on adversity.

            If you want to be funny I find not giving a F*ck helps a lot. Then entertaining yourself!

            So jerking off will atleast put you in the right frame of mind. Then do it with words. Put on Monty Python, read Douglas Adams and listen George Carlin some of it will rub off.

            If it doesnt you can say “NI” in a public place until someone gets it.

          • “If it doesn’t you can say “NI” in a public place until someone gets it.”

            I thought you had to be a night to say that?

          • Adam Black

            squires have to start somewhere. day, Night, second breakfast.
            Trust The Plan Chris! Once he can “NI” to a random person, we will work @STeve K. up to saying “It’s just a flesh wound” .

            after that we must coax him through the terrible, pitiful stages of spouting off random lines from “A Princess Bride”
            At every stage there will be likeminded people who robotically laugh on cue. This will allow him to hone delivery and making funny voices while building confidence.

            Of course if he’s willing to pretend he has a parrot on on his shoulder he can skip this entirely, and go to advanced material. Even better, if he’s willing to reveal the parrot on his shoulder is a second head, to a group to polite to mention it.

            If we hone his skills carefully eventually, he can advance his career by getting published in research journals . Csn you imagine the hysterical nature of the anatomy research he could conduct— with Government money too.
            http://www.jir.com/

            Eventually he could have his own webcomic that is completely indecipherable to anyone with an iQ under 140 or hasnt been previously committed.

            Then the book tour, the Geek Pub tour,
            Then the semi autobiographical meta-fictional novel in questionable taste titled “1001 Interesting & Unnatural acts a Scientists can do the body of the Nubile geek reader who shows up at my door on Thursdays—with Coloring Book”
            They said it wouldn’t sell, but Yaoi girls will get all the advanced copies!

            Then there is the musical, based on the book.
            The movie based on the musical
            Demand for a sequel.
            Tell all books by …friends.
            The reality show…….
            The geek rock album “Ive got something in my pocket, Hobbitt, that only in fits in 3 Bodily Orifices”

            But it all starts with “NI”

          • Brilliant. You are a closet do-gooder, you are!

            You just forgot two items:
            1) The hugely selling book: “How To Say ‘Ni’ For Dummies”
            and
            2) His initial Kickstarter program, in which Alex teaches SK how to ask for $16 and get $5 billion.

            * Oh and could those advance copies of the non-selling book go to nubile young Yaoi boys, instead of girls? *Whispers* this is for @stevenklimecky:disqus He’s the only one with all the degrees, so his buy in is essential and that will help. Trust me……………

            Best,
            ChrisD

          • Adam Black

            Brilliant, maybe… I’m no Professor, perhaps glowing like an ecofriendly, recyclable bulb, that no one wanted, was found by random people in the basement, and screwed in tight and forgotten about.

            “You are a closet do-gooder, you are!”
            Shhhhh. All the cool kids in the G+ psychopath community forgot to get my test results. I can’t let that get out.
            Do you have any idea how hard it to keep your true self a secret…No, you couldn’t understand…

            “Nubile Young Yaoi boys”? Oy, Chris, you are about to collapse the whole businesplan. Don’t be such a shmendrick. At least one of us is the carrier of a few latent Yiddishkeit genes.

            The Nubile Young Yaoi Boys can’t find out till its published or they will demand a cut. What we do instead, is Offer auditions to the not-yet- written musical, with Steve as director of the Casting Couch. We promise all the “actors” a personalized copy of their “auditions” with a legally binding contract that makes it the property of “Unnatural Anatomy Inc”
            We get paid. Steve gets laid, and Hollywood beats a path to Stevens Door

          • Steven K.

            Hmmmm – wish I didn’t have to keep giving the speech I had to give Chris – I *DO* think I’m good enough. I don’t have tons of self-esteem issues (only a few very specific ones) – I think I have a ton of great qualities (I’ve felt compelled to list some a couple times here already to make a point) that I would have thought at least a handful of people would have appreciated along the way – that’s why I’m so frustrated and dumbfounded by the way things happen and have happened. I actually, against past odds, tend to think positively about prospects, and try to bring attention to my many good qualities, but some force always seems to intervene to mess things up, and I don’t buy the thing that I’m subconsciously sabotaging everything myself. Countless times things are going great, plans in place, everything on track, then the other party just disappears/stops communicating, etc. Even with my current physical alterations that a genetic condition has been made necessary, I think I’d be a great catch – for a number of reasons – but the community is such that it is very vain and particular. When either half the personals say under 30 (or lower) only, and when most of the replies to guys on-line that I send go unanswered or answered with a response that I’m too old, one gets a certain impression of bias. (and if they knew I had tubes surgically implanted in the base of my neck and in my abdomen, well – I’d warrant I might hear back from even fewer). I admit to having a certain bias as well – I’m just rarely attracted to men my age or older (though there have been a few rare exceptions!) . Maybe that’s because I never got to have many experiences with guys my age back when I was young myself, so maybe I’m still hoping to have a few of those. That’s one reason I really thought the Kyle-Duncan pairing was (initially) so refreshing – and it gave me hope. And that’s also why I was so upset when things went awry and Duncan turned out to be just a lying, using, predator. Oh yeah – great propaganda there to convince younger guys that dating an older guy could actually be great – no – instead, just enforcing the stereotype of such a man being a sexual predator (though in this case using sex as a means to gain more power and control, but the subtleties of that might be lost on some younger minds (no one here, of course).

          • Don’t fear StevenK, I KNEW you meant ‘heavy cream’ from the very moment your post landed. Because you ARE a heavy cream sort of dude. I just knew it. So don’t worry. I think you were very clear to anyone paying attention.

            StevenK. — half and half — NO WAY. Nope all or nothing for you, dude. I am in awe.

            I’d just ask you to remember that ‘heavy cream’ dudes are fascinating AND fattening, so for your own good, and your thighs, send a few my way. Right? strictly for your arteries.

            I’m only thinking of your health. 🙂

            best,
            ChrisD

          • Steven K.

            I actually DO like to drink heavy cream undiluted, although these days I’m not supposed to because I’m on a low-phosphorus diet 🙁

          • Adam Black

            Tribulus, Terresitas, is a thing… if you want more want to pack more cream in your jug.

          • Steven K.

            And in this case I was speaking about actual – dairy – cream – not a euphemism for something else.

          • What’s shocking is that after years of gay clubbing, I can honestly say that no one ever tried to slip me some that plant on the dance floor… I mean… one would think???

          • Adam Black

            Most don’t know.
            It was my own personal discovery. Its deceased pressue too.
            anticlimactic. Instead of shooting a small stream, you leak a pool of heavy cream.
            @Steve K. can probably tell us why ( Anatomy Professor )

            its not Viagra. You probably need to use for a week b4 the your balls fill up

          • Thanks for the helpful information, but I don’t think I want anymore pressure down there. It’s more than sufficient to distract me too often as it is. Can I ask how you ‘discovered’ this? It’s not your everyday info.

            Best, CD

          • Adam Black

            I used to manage a Vitamin Store.
            It was listed as a “male herb” with no bad write ups on it.

            so i tried it. I had a few people tell me the same thing.

          • Steven K.

            I’d love to induce this adorable hottie boy release his pent-up store after he’s been “retaining it” for all those (probably spurious) reasons he talks about. I wonder if he really doesn’t masturbate due to what he’s preaching. Sure would love to get him to finally give it up after a while.
            Love this little tid-bit (especially given the guy’s name):
            “When the British Secret Intelligence Service discovered that semen made a good invisible ink, Sir George Mansfield Smith-Cumming noted of his agents that ‘Every man (is) his own stylo’.”

          • Steven K.

            Tribulus terrestris – I thought that was supposed to be a natural supplement to increase testosterone and/or build muscle by bodybuilders – but hadn’t heard it was used particularly/specifically for the purpose you mention, other than perhaps increased testosterone leads to increased production. But I think other hormones are involved – I know that follicle-stimulating hormone stimulates sperm production in the testes, but I’m not sure about the other components of the semen, which come from the seminal vesicles and prostate.

          • Steven K.

            I’d love to induce this adorable hottie-boy into releasing his pent-up load after he has been “retaining it” as he talks about in his vids. I wonder if he really doesn’t masturbate because of the stuff he preaches. It would be hot to finally get him to give it up after a long run of retention. Also would love to perform some experiments on him

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRCOtAu2gdQ

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw7cWRCPeqE

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dohytkBpqOI

            Also love this tidbit (especially given the guy’s name:

            ” When the British Secret Intelligence Service discovered that semen made a good invisible ink, Sir George Mansfield Smith-Cumming noted of his agents that ‘Every man (is) his own stylo.’ “

          • Ribaldry… surely you MUST take responsibility for reactions to your ribaldry. I hear it has excellent shape and tone it’s pretty in a masculine way and is quite fondle-able. No?

          • Adam Black

            “Affirm everything, deny nothing”
            —-wait, who said that?

        • Adam Black

          Please. That tubby just wants more puppies for himself.

        • If anyone would know about such thing Richard Simmons would. He may be an advance scout working for Laamporos already (?)

          • Adam Black

            You probably think you are the first man to figure out that “Sweating to the Oldies” opens a portal to Hell.

          • Damn.

          • Adam Black

            Don’t feel bad.

            I’m sure you can get your name on some unique gateway to Netherworld Suffering if you really put your mind to it.

          • ‘Kay. Mebbe I can buy one of those imprinted cobble stones or maybe donate and get a unique teak bench, so the folk strolling to the Netherworld to suffer can stop and, take a load off their feet, and see my tasteful plaque, “With immortal appreciation… The Chris Dangerfield Foundation”

            Yes that would be nice.

          • Adam Black

            That sounds nice.

            Or maybe you can words printed on the stairs to hell, like in Dante.

      • Sapfo

        but it could be considered a low-carbohydrate diet

        • I bow to your expertise. Do demons have arterial blockages? Do they have hearts. I know they attack and eat the hearts of others, but themselves?

          • Sapfo

            In some studies it has been found that a steady diet of protein and fat leads to the bad kolestrolet decreases and the good increases. This could be an indicator of this diet could reduce heart / cardiovascular diseases.

            In contrast, demon a pretty violent race who like to rip out hearts and scare people. Therefore it is considered that the increase of heart attacks in the community has a direct link to these demons. Even if it is not the demons how are having them.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Sounds like something out of Screwtape. XD

          • LOL… yes it does. Wow it’s been a long time since I read that. I think I’ll add it to that list… Thank you.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            no prob. XD

          • Sapfo

            I guess I have to check it out then 😉

          • Steven K.

            The tissues directly covering the heart and associated vessels is pretty heavy with adipose tissue – so unless that was peeled off first, a diet rich in hearts would not be low in lipids.

          • Sapfo

            In a low charb, high protein diet, the HDL should be high and the LDL should be low, Which as we know right now to be true, this might change. Nothing about the heart itself or the other risk of eating this way.

          • Adam Black

            Is this from adolescent perusing at Grey’s Anatomy, a stint at Demon Medical College, or have you ripped open a few hearts?

            “I got my brochure around here somewhere. Let’s see, “Just like it takes years of study to be an *ACTUAL* Archeologist; You can’t just wake up one day and start robbing and destroying priceless mausoleums . It takes decades of arduous training to master ripping out the hearts of upstart Caucasian grave robbers. Here at Demon Medical College you will practice under the best—and a lucky few will survive, chest intact, to serve our lord. ”

            Then there is this: “Due to the epidemic of Crutchfeld-Jacobs disease among senior faculty , we closed our in-house cafeteria. It is recommended that you bring a bad lunch.”

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            … I need to stop drinking while reading these comments. Everything in my immediate vicinity is going to be teastained. lmao

          • Adam Black

            “teastained”, That, my friend , is a euphemism I will be reusing.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            My blood type is tea. XD

          • Adam Black

            lol………………………………………….
            ………………………
            ( fridge Logic)

            … doooom doooom dooooom ( realizes dark undertones )

            what?

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            LOL- I was shooting for “i drink so much of it, my blood has become tea”— but I too am intrigued by the idea of a teapire.

          • Adam Black

            Maybe they are like Funpires.

            Either way, you know the hanky-code. Stick in in your back pocket and I am sure some event with a genuine teapiremay transpire.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Forget the hanky code! I need a glitter and macaroni sword. The wrath of the god of fun is terrible indeed.

          • Adam Black

            I can help you with the glitter.

            But…. I predict we will run into problems affixing the macaroni

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Well we could use a cardboard sword instead of mine. Glitter is itchy.

          • Adam Black

            That is one solution. A glitter “liner” that the macaroni will affix to is another. I may….. have seen something like that before …

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            A glitter “liner”… well I’m game. Somehow I think the Twilight fangirls are responsible for those, but so long as you don’t call my sparkle peen “Edward”, we’re good.

          • Adam Black

            Finnegan then?

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Well, it certainly has one eye.

            I don’t know. They had an awful lot of “backscratchers” running around in that strip being used by fun cult. You’d think the god of fun would keep his funpires away from things that could kill him…

          • Adam Black

            Maybe you have to use it as a fake sword .

            on the otherhand , no one was trying to scratch the fun god’s back either.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            This reminds me of the story where Siva killed Adi with his dick.

          • Adam Black

            was that in Oglaf?

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            No, it’s hindi myth. Adi the demon wants a piece of Siva, so she disguises herself like Parvathi. She doesn’t know that the goddess shaves her tattooed puss, so Siva knows something’s up the minute Adi whips her gown off to make love to him. He slaps her on the head with his dick and kills her.

          • Adam Black

            early porn

          • WHAT? WHAT? You two are TWILIGHT fan girls posing as males on this list. Wow. I feel like Kyle again, betrayed and bound to a bed with flames of fire. I totally bought that you were guys. I shite you not. You two are awesome good or I am massively gullible. Ah well, if Alex can punk me like that, I’m sure you two can also.

            So……. isn’t that Taylor Lautner dreamy?

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            God forbid. My last girlfriend was all about Twilight. I learned more about her hidden shallows by trying to read those books (and being forced to watch the first movie– I thought everyone was trying to be Shatner with all those awkward pauses) than I ever wanted to. Though, had I had the perception spotlights on while reading, I would have realized her “babies make everything better” strategy much much sooner.

          • Adam Black

            Is that where you went face heel to ho-yah?

            or are you searcing for your silver-haired Sircea who is baby free?

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            I’m want someone who will love me and be content that I love them, without needing to produce offspring to prove something. I don’t really care how old they are, or what they’re toting between their legs because I don’t have to. I find humans sexually attractive and exciting in too wide a variety. Thing is, as much as people joke about bisexuals having more chances to date, it’s not true. Men play with me, but won’t stay because they’re certain I will cheat (never. Not once. On anyone). Women try to turn me into Ward Cleaver, thinking somehow that mystical magical pussy (and yes, if you like it, it can be quite magical– I just edit myself here on Discus quite a bit to keep potential abuse to a minimum.) will erase my attraction to cock and make me want babies. It doesn’t work that way. Bisexuality doesn’t have an off switch that I know of– it doesn’t matter what partner I end up with. And I know for a fact that I would be an awful father, so I’m not interested in children.

          • Adam Black

            I know what “punk” means.

            Ill need to see pics first.

            I couldnt get through the first movie on cable.

            If Taylor was uncut, I wouldnt throw him out of bed

          • Saint Elmers has always helped me affix thine holy accoutrements to the holy paper disks of plating. Then shalt though anoint it with glitter of purity and affix the divine object to the fridge of Endless Innocence. Remember there is always hope and always sticky substances to help you.

          • Yeah but what color… oh… tea-stained of course.
            and
            Right pocket… unless you are looking to drink his bodies’ tea… right? I’m just mortal so I would always wear my hanky in the right pocket when it comes to tea.

          • When drinking ‘your tea’ do they provide you with pleasure beyond the imagination of mortal men? That’s always been key to me in all this -pire talk.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            I think of think a teapire would be snooty, bitch about how you didn’t use a strainer and that you left it brew too long. XD

          • Adam Black

            That means Ive dated some then.

          • Simple fix really… stop drinking tea and work to find a liquid that stains less. Honestly… kids… they just don’t think things through. 🙂

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            You just want me anemic and vulnerable from lack of tea. Then you can take over Bullshittia for your own, Grand Poobah. Wear my funny hat and my coat with the fancy gold braid. Oh ho, I’m on to you…

          • Adam Black

            fancy gold braid?
            pics or it didnt happen

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            The urge to link a picture of Idi Amin is almost overpowering.

          • At Aztec U. it was just an online course? But they were into the grip and rip methodology…

          • Adam Black

            So gauche.

            If you can’t learn properly how to get the heart to just beat out of its own chest cavity in a demonic dance to your Nether Damned, you will may as well pack it, in, go home and go back to tea reading.

          • You’re so classy. I’ll bet you never stoop to chicken entrails. Gad, I’m envious.

          • Steven K.

            Hard to find a spare chac-mool and itztli around when you need them these days.

          • You can check them out at the Lab, but it’s first come first serve and no one brings them back on time. I mean, honestly, what else can one do with an extra itzli? What?

          • Steven K.

            I’m a professor of anatomy/physiology/histology/zoology at my local junior college, teaching future health-care professionals.

          • Adam Black

            Then Demon Medical College may have position for you!

            You might even be overqualified! And you were saying before, you have some personal study in the Dark Arts?

            and how is your Hindi?

          • Steven K.

            🙂 Well, yes, in addition to my rather extensive study in anatomy and histology and biology and zoology, and microbiology and immunology and biochemistry and genetics and evolution and paleobiology (and lots of other sciences) etc., etc. I have had an interest in various magical and alchemical and occult texts and treatises – off and on for many years. Haven’t studied a lot of modern Hindi, but have a little knowledge of Sanskrit, and have studied various texts and translations of the Vedas, Upanishads, and the Mahabharata, including, of course, several versions of Book VI, otherwise known as the Bhagavad-Ghita. I have that in the original Sanskrit, a transliteration into our alphabet, and several translations. I’ve very much identified with Arjuna at many points in my life – I just desperately wish I had an incarnation of the Great God Vishnu to explain it all to ME, and, when I’m still doubting, show me his true nature and form, in all it’s awesome and cosmic and terrible glory and power and majesty in order to convince me of his words, so *I* can finally say, recovering from the unimaginable beauty and infinity and fright and splendour: “…..um…..ahhhh…..uhhhh ….ummm…..ohhh-kay.”

          • Adam Black

            ( peers at @stevenklimecky:disqus uncertainly )

            Not sure if you ever got the “IJ: Temple Of Doom” reference above .

            Is that a Tantric reference there? He is blue as a smurf right?

            Maybe I read a poor translation. I liked the Upanishads but the Gita did nothing for me. I lean more undogmatic theraveda.

          • Steven K.

            He was an archaeology professor, wasn’t he. I actually have an additional undergrad major in anthroplogy, and took several archaeology-related classes. Well, Lord Kris(h)na, the incarnation of Vis(h)nu in the Mahabharata/Gita IS traditionally depicted as having blue skin, though I don’t think usually quite as “saturated” as smurf-blue.

          • Adam Black

            just dont mention his name in an archaeology class.

            I was disappointed Smithsonian High was cancelled. That kid was really cute

          • Love this. Am currently working on a project with elements of the Ramayana incorporated within it. Once you dive into the culture (as you have deeply done) you certainly find out how rich and endless it is and how ‘young’ we Americans really are. I agree. I could sorely use an injection of Vishnu, Rama and Hanuman to help me get my act together. I don’t even need to gain Ravana-like power from it, just a little spiritual balance and I’d be a really happy camper. 🙂

            Thanks for sharing such an interesting post, StevenK.

            Best,
            ChrisD

          • Steven K.

            Thank you.
            Spiritual balance is always nice, but right now I’d just settle for a man …or boy ..er..lad.
            Michael Wood put out an extremely well-done book and PBS series – “The Story of India” – a number of years back. A great history lesson of the incredible diversity of cultures and ideas and traditions that is India – almost as much a melting pot in it’s time as the U.S. today. Some stunning documentary visuals as well. I ADORE Indian classical music as well – sitar, tabla, sarod, sarangi; Ravi Shankar, Dr. L. Subramanium, Allah Rakha, Ali Akhbar Khan, etc.

          • Does knowing Hindi help in the pursuit of the dark arts? I didn’t know that.

          • Adam Black

            that is awesome.

            But must be a lot of pressure with men.

            If someone knows every corner of the human body, inside and out, a lot of expectations logically follow….

        • i don’t know…what’s up with gluten?

          i feel like the gluten-free people would…

          Kyle would might probably be pretty traumatized right now…

          hmm…

      • misery and suffering can be quite fattening…especially if not entirely your own…

        • And demon haagen dazs is the worst. You know when you just feel like it’s all just going to Hell and suddenly you stop and think… IT IS HELL! Well that’s when you can slam back a pint just like *snaps* THAT and two weeks later you look down past your bat-wings and those thighs look like hell…

          erm… well you know what I mean.

          • and then you push everyone in a pit and scream, “This is …where…oh yeah_Hell!

            Hahahaha…ha.

            Sparta…as if.

      • Adam Black

        i keep telling you, Use “diet puppies”

    • you’re absolutely right!!!

      when i looked closer, I could see that his proportions are such that from that angle in panel 3…it does look like he needs a workout routine.

      • HELLO?

        Of course he a work out routine, one probably really evil like pilates. Of course since this is Hell you HAVE to work out, but it only make you fatter.

        Wow… I think I’m depressing myself. *Chris wanders off in search of demon haagen dazs…*

        • *Daniel waves happily at people while pushing the bodies into the pits.

          That demonic haagen daz wouldn’t be anything like “The Stuff’ …cuz that was annoying…

          • Again I respectfully remind us that this is HELL and thus EVERYTHING is automatically annoying… it’s very confusing… which, incidentally, is also annoying. 🙂

          • great…if people start exploding into white piles of goo,. i hope they at least taste deliciou…_

            Even better yet, maybe we’ll taste delicious when we explode…oh!

          • Steven K.

            White piles of goo – a bukkake fancier’s dream.

          • Adam Black

            that reminds me , I never emailed an college roommate back. I never did assemble that a pile of men to stand over him like he wanted. I’m not sure how his wife would feel about it now.

          • Steven K.

            Just one more thing I’ve fantasized, etc. about and will never get to do. I would have needed to be able to pick the guys myself though.

          • Adam Black

            there is a whole website devoted to making that happen.
            Craigslist

          • well that’s not mine lol…i’m more of a cream filling kind of guy…if ya get my drift 😛

        • Steven K.

          If Hell work-outs make you even fatter, does demon Haagen Dazs make you slimmer?

      • Klaus

        What do we really know about diabolical physiology? Maybe this is just what a fit and healthy devil looks like. Or maybe he has been taking diabolical steroids. Hoo nose?

  • KisaHeart

    I don’t know what to do with my feelings now! I actually feel angry over this! I can’t believe The Annihilator would trick Kyle like that! Not just Kyle but me too! I totally fell for it! He was just so romantic and sweet in that restaurant and up against that wall and with those cheesy roses and carrying Kyle to the bed and…. Curse you for being so charming, Annihilator!!! You had me fooled into thinking you were a Disney prince super villain and now I find out you’re just a big jerk super villain! And you even have a witch! Not cool, dude! Not cool at all! *runs away sobbing*

    • Yes, YES!!! What you just said. Damn! Sofia and Sonny almost had me being reasonable and reaching for excuses and thinking about the ‘greater good’. FEH!

      WAIT FOR ME!

      *runs off sobbing after KisaH*

      • SofiaT

        I never mentioned “the greater good”. It’s not a possibility to be dismissed but it’s not one I want to entertain either at the moment because I don’t want to be disappointed if it’s proven that Duncan’s plans are more selfish. I said there is a bigger plan. There’s a difference.

        On the other hand, I never believed Duncan was a romantic either and I always thought his sweetness was an act. So I’m not as infuriated as you are with the current events.

        Still, I believe he can grow to be a better person and I won’t give up on him. 😛

        • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

          I can take the greater good thing being a sham, even if it’d sting, so long as Duncan ends up being a decent human being by the end. Wishful thinking. If that doesn’t happen, I’m going to bawl all over all of you. Bring umbrellas and towels.

          • SofiaT

            You and me both, Sonny. You and me both. *pats back*

          • *still sobbing*

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            *passes Chris a towel, passes on the love with a backpat*

          • Much appreciated. I promise I’ll launder this and get all the tears and snot out and get it right back to you… when I dry out… around chapter six maybe. 😉

          • Steven K.

            Can I have one too? – And I promise not to leave any snot in it even before I clean it – I have lots of Kleenex for that, and other essential pastimes.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            *passes Steven a towel*

            I thought I was too old to be the towelboy, but I guess not. XD

          • Adam Black

            Does anyone ever grow out of towelboy?

            You can take the boy away from the towels, but he will just find his way back to locker room

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            This is the most flattering thing anyone’s said to me lately.

          • Adam Black

            Just be sure and let me know how it goes.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            You vicarious thrill seeker.

          • Here, have a cupcake.

          • After American Horror Story I now know cupcakes can be a road swiftly paved with serious stomach aches…

          • Blasphemy! Cupcakes solve the worlds problems. I will not believe otherwise!!!(and a few more for good measure)!!!

          • i’m a suspicious American convinced everything is doing its best to kill me…at least that’s what I think is the current conditioning standard lol…for the audience that is…

          • Adam Black

            Imagine Good Duncan from an alt-Universe showing up from Transworld identities and making things better with Kyle

        • Semantics… Semantics… Semantics… Semantics… Semantics… Semantics… Semantics… Semantics… Semantics… Semantics… Semantics… Semantics… Semantics… Semantics… Semantics…

          *still sobbing* 😛

          • SofiaT

            I’ll disagree. It’s not semantics, there’s a core difference.

            My attitude towards Duncan hasn’t changed from the beginning of this story. I don’t like words being put into my mouth, dear Chris 🙂

          • Okay okay… I shall tease you no more. Apologies. I was just being silly.

          • SofiaT

            Apologies accepted 😉

    • Tina

      My feels man!! Re-reading all those romantic scenes just breaks my heart now knowing it was all lies! There has to be some truth in there… r-right? Duncan has some emotions left… right…?

      *dramatically grips weapon standing firm with tears rolling down face and whole body shaking*

      • Steven K.

        I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Jamie Dutton

      All I know, is that no matter how this turns out, it ain’t gonna be pretty. We’ll all probably be in tears, denial, and maybe have to drag out the pitchforks and torches while we’re at it.

    • Steven K.

      I know! – Tell me about it! My old manly self has felt the same way. Welcome to my world now.

  • KNT609

    What about Kyle?!!?! Kyle wasn’t in the demands!!!

    • Kellen Connor

      I’m under the impression that naked devil dude caught that as well. I have a guess as to what’s about to happen, but I don’t want to say ‘cuz I might spoil.

  • Tobii

    …I’m still wondering if Kyle’s a demon himself, with that comment way back around their first date, his powers, and this. I’m also curious about Spooky, but eh. and then the whole thing with Anni and everything…poor bby -hugs Kyle-

    • Tina

      What comment was that again?

      • Tobii

        Sircea saying “but his powers aren’t mutant, or alien, and certainly not conventional magic” that kind of takes away most options, don’t it?

        • Kellen Connor

          They might be divine, not demonic.

          • if this turns into something like “Dawn” i will go ape shit.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            What’s your problem with Dawn?

          • nothing…other than i just couldn’t bear yet another Jesus vs…AAAAAA!!!!

            I get another Jason?

            Can he have no mask this time 🙂

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            I liked Wayland.

        • Tina

          True, true. I’m also curious if he needed Kyle specifically to open the portal or just anyone with fire powers

          • Steven K.

            Do we know if there IS anyone else with fire powers in their world? Do we know that there are any other fire-proof and indestructible guy characters other than Duncan, so Kyle might theoretically have someone else with whom to engage in orgasm-inducing intimacy (if he isn’t able to learn to control “flaming on” during his moment of release)?

          • Tina

            Very true. It seems too… perfect in a sense… Kyle meets the one fire-proof man in the entire world wanting to have sex with him. I’m willing to beat, Duncan’s not as fire proof as he’s lead on. Maybe PP placed a spell on him during his encounters with Kyle to protect him from being burned to make it seem like he was.

          • Adam Black

            Johmmy Storm can’t be straight in every Universe

          • Steven K.

            Kind of a miracle he was straight in this one – even starting with the name. “Gay porn screen name” comes to mind.

        • what!?!

          no way…i totally missed that one too…this so getting so much better…

        • What if they were referring to Laampros? That would be rather funny.

          • Steven K.

            If nothing else, that’s a terribly interesting idea.

          • Or interestingly terrible. 🙂

        • Adam Black

          that leaves unconventional magic,

          transdimensional powers, magical beings, gods…

  • SofiaT

    Duncan’s words: “You are, of course, very wise, Great Laampros.”

    Duncan’s inner monologue: “Oh shut up you big, red oaf. Just bite the bait already.”

    • Adam Black

      YUP. Here big Fishy…..

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      I’m hoping it all goes wrong for him. I’d hate to see him profit from Kyle’s suffering and pain.

      • SofiaT

        I hope something goes wrong for him so that Kyle can save the day and Duncan can realise the error of his ways. I don’t want him to suffer in revenge for what he did to Kyle, I want him to suffer because that will help him grow as a person.

        • That is enough church for you, young lady!

          • SofiaT

            Nothing Christian about it. I’m agnostic anyway -it’s just that I like Duncan. I see him as the second tragic character of this story, not just the villain.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Yes. I think clearly delineated lines of hero and villain are tired. I much prefer Duncan be a fully fledged human being. And moreover, I like him. I genuinely like him. I’m just not too thrilled at his behavior at the moment and I want him to come to a point where he isn’t either. It’s not salvation so much as realization. Sometimes you just have to know where to stand to see yourself properly… and that’s all it takes.

          • SofiaT

            Exactly.
            Duncan’s error in the way he treated Kyle wasn’t that he didn’t know if was bad -he did, and that was obvious. It’s that he thought it couldn’t be avoided. I can understand the “the end justifies the means” way of thinking, even if I don’t agree with it, but Duncan doesn’t seem to realise that even for himself, the end can’t be good when he’s used those means. He is his own worst enemy.

          • Steven K.

            Well, I can agree with that.

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            Best post so far explaining succinctly the problem in the Duncan/Kyle relationship so far.

          • Suffering as good for the “soul” or “growth” of a person is a pretty Western, Judeo-Christian concept…at least I thought so lol

          • SofiaT

            Suffering being the road that leads to becoming a better person was a very well-known concept in classical Greece, it’s the very definition of katharsis.

            The concept predates Christianity -plus the ancient Greeks were as opposite in mentality and world view from the Hebrews as it can get. Like oil and water, the two don’t mix.

          • but that’s the thing, i was taught katharsis comes from the visceral experience of empathizing with the actors while not necessarily experiencing what the actors experience…lol…

        • Steven K.

          Either or both types of suffering would be ok with me at the moment – well, BOTH would be best. If he does grow as a person, what’s wrong with him suffering in revenge for what he did to Kyle?

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Revenge sought against Duncan would make Kyle a lesser person. Violence is rarely the answer.

          • Adam Black

            exactly. “rarely”

            Of course its a well known fact that rare events crop up 9 times out of 10

          • SofiaT

            I agree, but I think Steven meant something like “divine retribution”, not Kyle handing out the revenge. Revenge from the audience’s perspective (and for the audience).

            Personally, I’m against it in general when it comes to Duncan. Soft spot and all. Want to see him suffer but not too much.

          • Steven K.

            Yes.

          • Revenge is like fatty foods… incredibly satisfying but rarely good for you and, since violence begets violence, you have consider them as like a nasty treat that you’ll love for a while, but always be forced to always have “just one more”, until suddenly sick of them and you want to stop eating them… but because you’re stuck in the unending nutrition-less loop of revenge… you just can’t.

            Now wasn’t just reading that like eating too much rich revenge? *grins* Yum.

          • Steven K.

            Oh – I don’t disagree with that – and I don’t even know if it would be in Kyle’s nature to do so, or that it would be the best outcome. I’m just saying that if it were to theoretically happen, it would not BOTHER me as much.

      • we don’t know that Kyle is necessarily suffering and in pain…i mean maybe if he’s thinking about getting fucked over…

        …and over again!

        that might be uncomfortable…

        • Jakk Anthony Guzman

          He’s been betrayed, used, he’s being mentally terrorized, that’s pain, though he might not be in PHYSICAL pain.

          • Steven K.

            I’m with you, Jakky!!!

          • If I were Kyle I’d be mostly concerned about either being some grizzly human sacrifice or being raped or something…yes…but I wouldn’t really use such dramatic states to describe what is essentially him lying immobilized etc etc..

            Of course I have a pretty warped mind because I’m pretty sure I’d also be checking out all the scenery and trying to see what else was going on around me…

      • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

        Besides Kyle’s stake in this, if something doesn’t screw up, Duncan isn’t going to learn anything. It has to screw up somehow.

        • Ohhh that’s right. This is FICTION! I keep forgetting that. LOL.

  • Tobii

    oh, and another, random, silly thought but: Disney’s Hades and Laamparos would get along so well, they both like making deals, they have fire for hair, they verge on the overly dramatic…they should go on a date or something

    • WarGoddess

      And I just had a vision of someone blowing out Laampros’ flames and him going “Whoah! Is my hair out?” lol, Hercules is my all-time favorite! XD

  • Klaus

    If the Devil really takes over most of the earth, it is going to take incredible luck to defeat him. Poor Fluke may loose more than just a car.

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      Somehow I find hard to picture thousands of devils running all around the Earth killing people and and finding out the “limitations of human flesh”. I assume millions would die, which is why I don’t think it’s going to happen that way.

      • awww….next you’re going to take away my Santy Claws aren’t you…?

        • Sapfo

          Please don´t look in my bag that is moving strangely. O.o

          • Santy Claws!

            nOOOo!

            ooohhh…that looks gruesome…

          • Sapfo

            Oh don´t you worry, you get him back before Christmas, just like last year.

          • okay…MOAR screaming?

            oh…i like it when they writhe in agony!

          • Sapfo

            I was thinking of torture him with my bad comedy act. It is dreadful! But at least I don´t have too get dirty.

          • NOOOOO!

            I can’t lose Santy Claws and the Chorus in the same round!

            (will there be dancing werewolves?)

          • Sapfo

            Do we like dancing werewolves? o.O

          • Steven K.

            Might be really erotically hot if they are nekkid and dancing then transform during a full-moon orgy. Especially if they are all as gorgeous as “werewolf-boy” Taylor Lautner.

          • Sapfo

            You got the name Taylor almost right. I do prefer Tyler 😉

          • Adam Black

            hairless werewolf?
            might as well be a naked mole were-rat.

            This is lampshaded in series by saying they are shapechangers not true werewolves.

          • …possibly 😛

          • Steven K.

            Kind of what like what happened in “The Nightmare before Christmas”, when ol’ Santa is knapped by Ooogy Boogy?

          • Adam Black

            He had it coming.

  • Duncan’s eyes are so pretty in the fourth panel with the orb and flames reflecting in those baby blues. 😛

    • SofiaT

      That’s the gleam from thinking about the “considerable forces”.

      I’d bet Duncan has a plan so cunning, if you put a tail on it you could call it a weasel.

      • Which we probably won’t find out what until the middle of chapter four. 🙂

        Edit: Who’s a smart weasel? *bending down to plan* Who’s a smart weasel. You’re a smart weasel.

        😛

      • Steven K.

        I thought is was foxes that were the cunning ones. Coyotes are wiley, and weasels are …well, …weasely.

  • we should totally amass over 1000 comments for Alex…one thousand intelligent and thought provoking comments of thematic relationship with our dear Mr. Lampy!

  • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

    Ahhh, but witch is a unisex word.

    • Adam Black

      that would be a twist

  • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

    We couldn’t get that lucky. The Krampus would be displeased with this scenario– he punishes the wicked, after all.

  • Have no idea if this is of interest, but was reading an excerpt about the man who created Superman. Some of the discussion of the author’s bullied childhood made me think of Duncan’s backstory. I found the connection oddly interesting.

    * * * * *
    Superman by Larry Tye
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/144043905/Superman-The-High-Flying-History-of-America-s-Most-Enduring-Hero

    • SofiaT

      No time to read it now as I’m getting ready for work but I’ve bookmarked it. I’m always interested in anything that has to do with Superman, so thanks for sharing!

      Duncan’s backstory (and powers) always reminded me of the Man of Steel. A couple of pages ago I commented that I like Duncan because I can’t help but think that he’s a bullied Superman without the influense of Jonathan Kent in his life.

      • Sorry, can’t find it just now, but there was a great comment somewhere where on commenter put it all from the pov of an alien alone crash landed on earth… etc… it was so incredibly lonely and yet smart that I immediately got all emo. If I find I’ll share it.

    • Jamie Dutton

      PBS is doing a fantastic series on comic books and superheroes. Ya’ll should check it out!

  • Tobii

    you could put that logic to most villain pairings, yet people do it anyway X3 I could also bring up the fact that Kyle and Hercules are very similar personality wise. they’d be the best of friends me thinks.

    oh, and if we’re talking about similarities, watch Titan AE and tell me it doesn’t remind you a little of Duncan and Kyle’s relationship

  • Livia

    Eww! Is that stupid witch together with Anni !? Thats disgusting.

    • SofiaT

      The upvote is to make up for the downvotes.

      Grow up, people.

      • silibub

        Nice of you, but why concern yourself with balancing it out? All apologies to the OP, but the comment was neither productive nor pleasant.

        • SofiaT

          Unprovoked downvotes annoy me -especially because they’re anonymous and therefore cowardly. If you don’t agree with a statement feel free to challenge it, like Klaus did above. But why downvote something when it’s not insulting anyone (other than the PP that is)?

          And I think we’ve all posted our share of pointless comments at one time or another, simply because we were bored and wanted to chat or we were too overwhelmed by the story to write something other than “holy shit!”.

          I may not agree with the original comment, but I think it was a genuine exclamation of surprise, wasn’t designed to provoke anyone. Why “punish” it?

          • I agree with you entirely. What I don’t understand is why the anonymity? If the DVote has no value or purpose as a communication tool then it should go. If it does, then you need the source so you can contextualize it. The purpose of anonymity eludes me. So I’m with you. Adam once requested a dvote on purpose to give us neophytes a chance to feel the overwhelming power… and it was grand for a second or too and then I was left feeling rather hollow since there was no one to share my bad behavior with. Being alone with a dvote is just not that special. 😛

          • silibub

            I see what you mean! I haven’t hung around in Disqus comment sections much, and generally tend to lurk more than participate, so I’m not too clear on the upvote/downvote “etiquette,” so-to-speak. I think you make a good point about being up-front and challenging comments you disagree with, since that’s all part of the discussion process. Much more productive than anonymously booing someone’s remark, for sure. Thanks for edifying me!

          • Adam Black

            I wish Disqus allowed you to Plus and Minus the same comment.

            I frequently want to do both. That way I can express a partial agreement without leaving a comment.

            I am sure I have occasionally minus-ed comments to express a differing opinion, when i thought it would clearly express that, and leaving a full comment was pointless.

            Like if someone writes “Duncan is just misunderstood” and has 10 plusses, I won’t feel like I am punishing someone with a minus.

            But i was unaware this was a common sentiment. ( that Minusing is rude )

            I use Google Plus , which has no minus-ing but IMHO really needs it. I also Upvote comments here a lot, practically by default, just to acknowledge the person, let them know I read their words and am in communication with them. I always check to see plusses my comments because I wonder who read what I write.

            That’s also from Google Plus, because Plusses are social currency there. It says, “I am listening to you,maybe you want to listen to me too ”

            But if someone read this and disagrees with me, and has never minus-ed a comment. I give you everyone my full permission to minus this comment down to 99.

            I will even do it myself. damn minusers.

          • SofiaT

            Here. I’m giving you an upvote to show I read your comment 😀

            If I disagree with a comment, I’ll often choose to challenge it (as you well know) -or if I think it’s so inane as the example you described above, I won’t even bother with that. But I won’t downvote it. I’ll just ignore it. With the same thinking, I will only upvote comments I agree with or -more rarely- comments I disagree with but I think were very cever and thoughtful ones.

            This whole downvoting thing reminds me of high school and popularity contests and reaks of immaturity, in my opinion.

            I will never downvote a comment because I disagree with it, I’ll only downvote if it’s a really provocative or disturbing one, designed to rile people’s feathers.Or if I think it’s being rude.

            I must have pressed that down arrow 5 times tops in all the time I’ve been here.

          • I pretty much agree with that. I can’t downvote because of the anonymity. I agree that if the comment was so provocatively repugnant that I know the post is bogus and just a ‘molotov cocktail comment’ being thrown into a discussion, well I might downvote THAT. But that’s rather redundant because you guys would already understand that it was a sort of ridiculous non-comment… but still…

            What about a third category. “–” Neither up nor down, just a ‘Meh’ vote (heh, see how I did that?). A flat line informing the writer of your indifference to the comment to him/her and its comment. Do you think that would help?

            Okay I’m not sure of they symbol, but what about a vote of ‘ennui’. More about the state of the voter than the comment itself? Kind of like informing the fool that the stupid energy of their comment has been wasted on you.

            Or what about a vote of ultimate suffering… basically a “Pederast In Jail” vote. (again unsure of the symbol… a skull?). This vote would mean that you find the comment so morally repugnant that you will spare no expense, but will call out what is basically a Disqus fatwā on the person and will make it your mission in life to find them and make them suffer? Good?

            Finally, what about a (symbol?) Muffin vote. That you find the comment so delicious that you would like them to have one of the Admiral’s delicious muffins (sorry, that was not meant to sound so double entendre). Basically an upvote with a little umami layered in it for extra goodness. (?)

            Okay, just some options for the future.

            Best,
            ChrisD

          • Adam Black

            This was a really, good, thoughtful, comment.

            Nice humor, interesting metaphors and fillled with clever original ideas.

            Who wouldn’t want an “Ennui button” or a “muffin button” ?

            Unfortunately, A little Disquis comedy just isn;t enough to excuse that anti-foodie , pro-msg activism at the end.

            Chris, what were you thinking? “Umami?”

            For those not in the know, “umami” is the Japanese word for savoriness. It specifically refers to the massive doses of mono-sodium glutamate dumped copious amounts in most processed American and Asian foods. Whether from processed seaweed ( the original umami source ) or made in a laboratory the stuff is bad news

            For those who think I am merely joking, “MSG” is actually a neuroexito-toxin that causes your neurons to randomly misfire untill they die. Numerous studies have shown it was dangerous.

            So great set-up, almost perfect execution, then a total bellyflop and crashing into the side of the pool at the end. For the MSG activism at the end, and so all my other pluses don’t lose their value, I am afraid I must vote you down, Chris.

          • Damn minusers.

          • Also, um, hydrolyzed vegetable (any kind) protein = MSG too. If anyone is curious that is.

          • Upvote for mention of muffins!

          • Adam Black

            In all fairness, ( re OP ) there have been multiple screeds already expressed that expressing disgust at Sircea/ whoever comes across as Hetero- or Biphobia.

            Although i would personally enjoy seeing it, the novelty of a ho-yah community, especially with yaoi girls, still is so new to me that it doesnt bother me hearing this. On one level, its a symptom of an affirmation ( being pro man-love )

            From that standpoint, I would probably rather just see a minus, rather than a volley of back and forth. But I think it’s fair to also assume that in this case a minuser may have felt it was provocative. Both camps are basically right— for themselves. She is a villainess, too.

            How are you doing, today, by the way?

          • SofiaT

            Psychologically, a bit better, thanks. But I have a horrible headache and I’m at work, can’t see me being very productive today. *sigh*

            Looking forward to the page update later, will be a nice distraction.

          • Adam Black

            damn , advil?
            I wish you luck.

            Ive been lost in the lower comments. This page is looooong.

          • silibub

            I’m glad other people have pointed out the anti-hetero/bi sentiment that seems to accompany the outraged comments about Sircea and Duncan possibly being together. I mean, I understand that people would mainly just be angry/disappointed to find out Duncan was “faking” being gay to better appeal to Kyle, which is completely different than slamming heterosexual couples in general. But sometimes I just get a bad taste in my mouth when female characters get insulted or shunted to the side in favor of the male characters and male/male pairings.

            Personally, I find it very hard to believe that Duncan isn’t gay. But if he were straight or bi, and he and Sircea were romantically involved, I wouldn’t react negatively at all beyond feeling really bad for Kyle. The “Platinator” pairing has actually grown on me the more I’ve thought about it, although mainly I just want to see some backstory for the two of them and figure out how they came to be friends/partners/whatever. (And watch, now that I’ve said I’m tentatively on board the ship, they’ll turn out to be related and I’ll have to set myself on fire!)

          • Adam Black

            I think shes hot. It might be the only reason I’d want to see Duncan still get down and dirty

            Most-men-who-love-men secretly think ladies parts are very icky. They are ( usually ) too polite to say this to their female friends. I don’t feel this way ( but i did before puberty, like most boys ) which is why I identify as “Bent”

            On the hand many women Ive known werent very intouch with their bodies. This is one aspect of female sexuality I don’t understand.

          • SofiaT

            Whatever feelings arise in me from the thought of Duncan and Sircea as a couple, have nothing to do with him being bisexual or hetero and everything to do with “hell NO, he’s KYLE’s”.

            …Even if Kyle doesn’t want him after everything that happened.

            In any other context, I’d actually like the idea of Duncan as bisexual. If ya know what I mean.

        • Excuse… may I ask what is this “OP” you refer to? Thanks.

          • silibub

            OP = Original Poster or Original Post, if I have the jargon down right!

          • Ahh nice. Thank you.

    • Klaus

      Why disgusting? And I don’t think she is stupid at all.

  • Steven K.

    Awww – I’d give you a hug with a fire blanket if I could.

  • SofiaT

    I wish it was update day today. Heard sad news at work, I could use the pick-me-up.

    • Tardis time!!!!!!

      • SofiaT

        mmm, not a Doctor aficionado I’m afraid.

        • Understood. Well don’t worry I’m against spoilers. I’ll keep it to myself and hopefully your week will improve. Good luck. 🙂

          • SofiaT

            I doubt I’ll ever get to watch it (although I hear some good things about it) so feel free to spoil ahead.

          • Don’t worry a bit. Didn’t take it that way and ironically I get those too. They suck. May your week get better. 🙂

        • Adam Black

          I can recommend a few “Just this once, Everybody Lives!” episodes if you want to give it a try.

          • SofiaT

            I just don’t feel in the mood to have to catch up with a few years’ worth’s of episodes so I can say I understand what’s going on. AJ tried to sell The Doctor to me too but I don’t see it happening.

          • Adam Black

            There are plenty of stand-alone and “entry-way” episodes in the new series .

          • Adam Black

            if you tell me “maybe” I can name of 4 standalone episodes of the top of my head, that reminded me that life was good,even among bad things, at the end,
            that require no previous knowledge.

            ( But I was chiming in, not to make you learn the whole series ( Its 50 years old. ) but just as a pick me up.)

            but I don’t want to be pushy.

            Sapho got me into this comic:
            http://satwcomic.com/the-north-sea-lotto

            I got it!!!
            Comic Genius:
            http://web.archive.org/web/20080313141147/http://nfccomic.com/index.php?comic=1

            ( i have you the archive link because there is malware spamlinks on the comments on the open web )

            I hope you feel better

          • SofiaT

            Maybe 😉

            Scandinavia and the World is a webcomic I’ve been following for years now! I like Humon’s work, she’s fantastic.

            The second one I had never heard of before but I’ll bookmark it, it looks fun.

            It’s 12.30am and I’m supposed to wake up for work in about 5 hours but I don’t see me sleeping tonight. I may as well read strips.

          • Adam Black

            Not From Concentrate started my webcomic addiction.

            The humor in it is a litttle da-da ist—silly & inane.
            It’s in the spirit of “GIR” from Zim. dark, yet gleeful

            ….ooo “maybe” I’m slow. I had nightmares last night I moved into a rooming house, but the house occasionally rocked ( on a dock ) but then it lifted up its foundation and revolved and whirled a round a few times while I was in it. ( like being on the end of a sling ). I really felt it. Each time freaked me out more.

            It was like living in an amusepark ride and no one warned me ahead of time. The dream wasnt even about this. There was a detailed plot a out some family drama then,….SPINN Goddamit how many times does this happen in a day?….

            back to drama…. Its spinning again?! …family drama stufff happens….spinnn.. fuuuck…

            So I now I have figure out if I can move out, out this crazy spin Vertigo house. Do i have moving money new place to move? Probably not. I feel cheated.

            It interrupted the flow of the dream. Eventually this was so annoying I woke up at 2 am, and refused to back to my “dream house”. Spinning around one more time might make me puke. I was sober too. I wonder if I could ear trouble.

            This silliness explains why I missed your “maybe” ( crazy sleep schedule ) but I wrote you a small list, with blurbs why I picked them, so you can choose based on your own mood.

            Maybe I should email it to you.

          • It’s hard to know when you are joking AB, but on the chance that I’m not just tired and confused, a not unlikely possibility, inner ears and spinning are vile and scary. Yep they make one puke, they scare you into feeling you can’t move, make it impossible to ENJOY reading… it’s evil. If you are really feeling badly like that you have all my sympathy. I’ve done the inner ear thing and send you all well wishes.

            And if you are just playing me as skillfully as our author did with Duncan’s honey’d words of betrayal, then I’ll have to take bets on your redemption also? 🙂

            Thanks goodness I saved all your good links before the Team pitchfork AB came running in… *snort*

            Feel better,
            ChrisD

          • Adam Black

            yes, I was serious, but If you read closely, this only happened while I was asleep and dreaming. So probably not real. If it happens while I am awake I’ll see an M.D.

            I chose to stay up ( for 24 hours ) and spend my awake time with you guys.

            The feeling wasn’t bad by itself. If I was dreaming I was at an amusepark it would have been awesome! The dream didnt even have a nightmare tone. The sensation was strong enough to break through the dream logic that it was normal. Just imagine for no reason your whole house starts spinning like a tilt-a-whirl and nothing breaks. It was freakier than an earthquake. ( I lived with a few big ones in L.A ) My need to solve this problem eventually woke my up . Its too bad the dream didn’t turn lucid instead.

            ( But I have enough serious painful physical problems that i don’t generally complain about, that I will acccept your offered compassion for that one those things instead )

            But I had this really awesome dream today! It was an SGI- time travel dream that turned Yaoi! That ended too early. Maybe I should write a fanfiction.

            The team was in Earths recent past on a mission with a Tokra, and it was taken over mentally by a Guald it was hosting for some reason.. ( just go with it ) .

            They had to call in the Military to deal with it quickly.

            here;s the problem. They accidentally intervened in the past of Jack and Daniel because there past selves were physically nearby. Jack was a young military man about to makes the moves on some girl when the evacuation was ordered. Somehow ( I don’t know how) this disrupted the time line enough that near future Jack had a russian accent and wasn’t an officer anymore. So old Jack needs Slightly older Daniel to help him go fix the timeline so he has a future. But Daniel is changed too….

            He thinks Old Jack is trying to pick him up, and he is totally into it, and really comfortable with his sexuality and proud. … yeah ….Jack tries to explain about the altered future, and Daniel is a little confused. ( he has shirt off and his cock out and he say’s with a somewhat gay affect “But I **like** who I am… ” So we have time-travel, sci-fi , slash, and even comedy… But Jack is a real good sport about this, and doesn’t tell Daniel that in the future he is with women. Which is obviously the right way to go. I woke up at this point. Which is a real shame because Gay Daniel was sexy, and I suspect could have seduced Rusky Jack.

            Funny thing is, I have never even read SGI slash fiction.

            ( cc: @stevenklimecky:disqus )

          • I’d like to say that I believe every word, if true of not… BECAUSE… given your typical writing, that dream is as true a roadmap of the inside of your mind-scape as I can imagine. Good good dream. I think we could start a discussion group just around that dream and any future variants. *grins*

            I’ve lived through plenty a CA earthquake also, and they are shockingly more frightening than one might think. When every single thing you own is tossed across the room, off the wall, even when walls themselves start to separate and you feel it will NEVER stop (and later you find out it was 2.6 minutes). Well it does make your heart step it up a good notch.

            Yeah, I saw an MD… just simple inner ear blockage, but I was shocked at how central that native balance is to every thing we do and are. I just crawled on my belly to throw up in some out of the way place and closed my eyes and eventually it faded and my man came home and took me to hospital. Quickly fixed, but I hope never to experience it again.

            Hey but sympathy for what ails you… all bad body shite is a serious drag.

            I’ve always been an OC guy in a million different genres… then a friend got me hooked on some fanfic. I’d never seen the original TV on it, so it read like sexy OC to me and I was thrilled. So I still don’t know if I’ve read fanfic. It’s like one of those Schrödinger’s cat type things… if a fanfic falls in the woods, but there’s no one to read it…?

            Be well,
            ChrisD

          • Adam Black

            thanks. Totally real dream ..
            what is OC?

            So you read a fanfic without seeing the original, so don’t know if you are fanfic fan ? or sont know if you are a fan of the original..? Unsure of your semantic intent

            Is there a Disquis discussion section. Also on G+

          • Sorry, I’m always shocked when I’m the one who knows an acronym, since I always seem to be chasing after the changing language of the internet.

            OC=original character

            vs. Work that is entire based on a fandom created by another. Like the reams of sexy m/m fanfic written about everything from Harry Potter to Lord Of The Rings.

            To most of those readers/writers, canon is all. Canon being the rules and history of that world as set down by Joss Whedon or JK Rawling or whomever.

            Mostly I can’t be bothered because suddenly having Harry Potter and Dumbledore have sex does nothing for me… but I’m quite alone in that. So as both a reader and writer I want to imagine and create my own original characters (OC). However, it’s weird, I came across a bunch of Buffy The Vampire Slayer fanfic that was so absurdly funny that I enjoyed it even knowing the original show.

            So I’m not a real fanfic reader, but it’s an interesting world. You can’t imagine how much Sherlock Holmes & Watson m/m erotica exists out there. Kind of blew my mind.

          • SofiaT

            *pats back* I had a repeated dream when I was a kid, that I was in a house full of vampires and I was the only human. I tried to get out unnoticed but my mom was there, also a vampire, and she came after me. At the end I locked myself to the bathroom and escaped from the bathroom window. There was also a ring in there somewhere which was supposed to play some part in the dream, but after so many years I can no longer remember what.

            How big is that list?

    • Hope you’re feeling better.

      • SofiaT

        A bit better, thanks.

        I work at a charity for children and yesterday a girl I knew passed away suddenly. It was a shock. And then I got home and we had family drama on top of everything else. I’m on two hours of sleep.

        But I’m ok now. Or working on it. 🙂

        • Deepest sympathies… a hard hard day indeed.

          Best wishes,
          ChrisD

          • SofiaT

            Thanks Chris.

        • That’s awful. I never really know what to say in a situation like this so I will offer a (virtual) hug and will have you in my thoughts.

          • SofiaT

            Thanks for the hug. 🙂
            I’m really much better today. I just need to get some sleep I think, but it’s way too early for that.

            And hey!! Tomorrow it’s Wed/day! 😀

          • 🙂

            Yes, tomorrow is update night! I can’t wait to see if more is revealed or if we are again left hanging on the edge of our seats. lol

          • SofiaT

            Lets face it. Even if more is revealed, we’ll still be left hanging on the edge of our seats. We signed up for a loooooooong ride.

          • This is true. A very very very very very very etc long ride. We’ll need to reupholster the couch before this is over. Still… just a step would be nice.

  • Found it… Again, if this is your thing…

    Clearly PBS was indeed pondering super powers — this was played on THIS AMERICAN LIFE this weekend. Pretty good stuff.

    http://tal.fm/508

    508: Superpowers 2013 — OCT 18, 2013
    This is an updated version of a classic episode, featuring a new story from Snap Judgment.

    We answer the following questions about superpowers: Can superheroes be real people? (No.) Can real people become superheroes? (Maybe.) And which is better: flight or invisibility? (Depends who you ask.) Chris Ware’s comic mentioned in the episode is here:

    http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/178/superpowers#slideshow.

    The best segment is a very intense thoughtful and surreal one man piece of radio theatre that rounds out the show at about 45 minutes in (if you’re impatient, but the whole thing is good).

    “Because, of course, you can’t be a superhero without a super villain trying to destroy you. And the most interesting super villains, of course, are the ones who think that they’re the real heroes, not the guys in the capes. The best segment is Glynn Washington telling the story of Evil D. and his surreal battle with Superman who tried to take his girlfriend and thus started their endless antagonism. It’s both funny and definitely completely intense. It was a pretty amazing piece of dramatic one-man radio theatre and I was pretty hooked. (9 minutes)”

    Enjoy.

    • SofiaT

      And you teased me the other day for saying that Duncan is not a really evil villain because he doesn’t believe himself to be one of the good guys!! Tsk, tsk, tsk.

      Thanks for the links!

      • *smiles* Oh I firmly believe everyone one of my highly reasonable opinions… until I don’t. And (speaking as an elder brother) teasing is one of the things that makes life worth living… now not so much, “being teased. 😛

        And of course, I’m teasing. 🙂

        I hope you enjoy that show. This American Life comes on every Saturday, and is always one of the best things ever made for radio!

        • Kiri

          Welcome to Night Vale (my latest addiction), is also one of the best things ever made for radio! 🙂

  • Vincent

    Riiight. Because every story, ever, like this one has taught us that deals with demons always go the way you intended. Especially if you try to trick them. Because, being demons, they expect and uphold complete honesty and integrity. That whole demons being bad and their name alone being associated with evil is just a misnomer. This can only end well. Common sense be damned!

  • Adam Black

    Flame-on, hard one.Kyle will need your pyrastic comfort.

    Let’s face it, Duncan lied to all of us. There was no way Kyle could compete with tentacles if Duncan is in to that sort of thing.

    He really didn’t even try. Maybe spooky could have given kyle a few magical tentacles. Duncan is a loser, and a user, and a tentacler flloozer

    • Nope ‘tantacler flloozer’ is niiiice,

      However, I’ve still got the ‘cockweasel’ jousting the ‘Immaculate Firection’ for supremacy. Could I ask you to keep trying. It’s rather like a mental sorbet, I’m sure the right phrase will do the trick and clean the leetle gray palette right up. Thanks.

      • Adam Black

        Sapho draws, right?

        maybe you can get her to draw an octogon ring showing the match between the ‘Immaculate Firection’ and ‘the Cocky Cockweasel’

        That could be just the thing that inspires me

  • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

    I think he’s of Russian descent myself, by way of New Odessa/Brighton Beach in NYC.

  • Kiri

    I actually don’t think Anni is Evil, where is doing evil for evil’s sake. I think Anni is amoral, where if an act benefits him, he will do it regardless of whether it is evil or good. Demons on the other hand are limited to evil deeds. So they are a bit more predictable. We know that deals with demons are never straightforward…and it is rare that deals with demons work out in the dealer’s favour. However, we also know that Anni plays his cards close to his chest, that he rarely shows his hand at all – and that would include the deal with the demon. I’m not expecting the demon to get access in the way he expects (there’s probably something waiting for him if he does go), and I’m not expecting that youth and eternal life is really what Anni is after, knowing how easily that can be twisted. (Yes Anni, we’ll make you an eternal youth – I pick the age 7 months, before talking, before toilet training, and without someone to look after you)…. r—ight….

    Anni is not that stupid, and neither is Laampros.

    • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

      In my experience, demons may do anything they please (and is within their ability) and frequently do. Limiting them to evil acts leaves one open to thinking that no good act could be performed by one, being caught unawares when something you think wasn’t a demon because it was helpful and kind turns out to be one.

      • SofiaT

        It also depends on how you define “demon”. The original, pre-christianity, daemons for example were good spirits -close to what we refer to today as guardian angels.

        Although out Laampy here seems to fit the description of christianity’s “demon from hell” perfectly. I think it’s safe to pressume he’s up to no good.

        • Kiri

          I’m in agreement with you – Laampy is no daemon. He fits the stereotypical ‘demon from hell’ (which isn’t biblical, btw) that came with the medieval christian church.

        • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

          Laampy also looks like the Krampus, who punishes the wicked. So he could easily be ready to kick Duncan’s ass.

          • SofiaT

            I just googled Krampus and I have to say, that thing looks scary.

            Laampy looks like David Gandy in comparison.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Look for the Valentine’s Day Krampus. He’s big, red, heavily endowed, and ready to make sure you’re good all year long– one way or another.

          • Adam Black
          • Steven K.

            Ahh – I recall the tales of the Krampus, accompanying St. Nicholas to punish all the naughty children. Your mention of that brought a smile to my face. There are some great images on the web. Oh those horns!

        • Adam Black

          Not even pre-Christianinty.

          Sometimes in the middle ages Christian Theologists decided some daemons must be evil, and these ‘”evil daemons” are responsible for illness, flat feet or their goats dying. It was totally a generic plug for a mythology that was empty.

          Either way its a total diss to Socrates.

          It’s cognate with the word “Divine” the the Gods/demigids of Hiduism and Buddhism the Devas.

      • Kiri

        They may do ‘good’ deeds for evil intentions – but that doesn’t make it a good act (at least not in my eyes). Example: saving someone from death (seems good), but doing it so they suffer more – makes it an evil act.

        However, you probably have way more practical experience with demons than I do – so I bow to your superior experience!

  • Adam Black

    that has occurred to me to.

  • In my inconsistency and Monday morning misery I wrote a vitriolic and razor blade filled rant about how different everyone would feel about Kyle’s current paralyzed suffering and terror, without the convenient WoG that let’s you all know it’s for his own good AND at the same time how I’m reading that people seem to wish to place limits on Duncan’s comeuppance as if, by the same logic, that wouldn’t improve him just as much.

    The problem is that my rant was as much about Monday morning and lack of coffee as it was about any honest concern about Kyle… so I’m off to shower and get a fruit and protein shake. If I still care about Kyle’s anguish after, I’ll post rant and cause trouble later. Promise. :/

    Best,
    ChrisD

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      Of course you’re going to cause trouble later. 😛

      • See how empathetic you are… you know me way too well already! 🙂 D-wolf & Sonny, were correct — java, blood sugar and a good shower have rebalanced me, work is over, and now all I want is for someone to give D. a good retribution kicking

        I wouldn’t even mind if Kyle could bind him to a (very sturdy) bed for a while and ride him “Bed Knobs and Broomsticks” style around the Netherworlds…

        Okay it doesn’t even have to be pain… how about that Hell where you have to learn and do needlepoint for a thousand years? Huh? (And you needle pointers don’t get upset… just think of that and Duncan… for a thousand years) I think he’d rather be Laamp’s love toy.

        Oh well, thank you all, I’m much better now. I just want Duncan to suffer enough to become Saintly. *sniggers* Is that too much to ask?

        Kyle can just dump his first boyfriend like the rest of us and learn to be satisfied with that level of bad behavior.

        All best gang,
        ChrisD

        • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

          I’m glad you’re feeling better. The bed thing is gold.

          Saintly? *dies laughing*

    • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

      Sorry about your morning. If it’s any kind of salve, I think Duncan should get the shit kicked out of him. It doesn’t mean he shouldn’t survive (lesson gets a bit lost if he dies), but pain is a good teacher and Dunks needs a lesson or five, so hurt the gorgeous bastard already.

      • Adam Black

        He’s got healing powers.
        “Its just a flesh wound”

        I say try the full fargo.

        • Has it’s charms…. Damn that was a good film, eh?

          • Adam Black

            It has been a while since I’ve seen it.

      • It’s just impossible to be unreasonable when you sweet talk at me that way. What say we hook you up with Sircea and make him watch you two kids have real exotic fun for a few hundred years?

        See? I’m happier already thinking of ways to punis– no, I mean, help Duncan improve. 🙂 Keep talking, I’m almost there… what would be best way to punish an anarchist! (yes.. yes… yes…) LOL.

        😉

        ChrisD

        • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

          LMAO, as sexy as she is, and as intriguing as those tentacle powers are, I’m afraid Sircea would turn me into a pig. I stand by the “Girl on TV” reaction. I think she’s more dangerous than Duncan ever thought about being.

          Punish an anarchist? Making him into a human marionette comes to mind… pull his strings and Dunks dances. Or prove to him that all his work smashing gods and masters has actually aided one or the other in taking complete control of the world. Would be sort of poetic as well. Powerlessness doesn’t feel so good now, does it, Dunks?

          • Wal-mart greeter it is then!

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Brilliant!

          • Adam Black

            At the risk of engaging in No-true-Scotsman fallacy,

            ( Nay, Not the nay tru Scotts fallacy. “If its isn’t scottish, its craaaap ” )

            I don’t believe Duncan is an anarchist. I believe he is just a criminal with some antiauthorian tendencies. I don’t believe he intends to create a cooperative paradise in the American Continents.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            I think the whole deal is bullshit he doesn’t intend to make good on. I don’t think he’s going to rule anything.

          • That’s what I said…. greeter!

          • Adam Black

            well there is that..

    • At least you recognized what is was before posting. That’s something.
      Months later and I’m still mortified about the only time I had a totally irrational hissyfit online, and ended up sending the artist my comment which was more based on me lashing out at something, anything, rather than the artist. At least it was in an email, so there was only one recipient to read it, and waking up the day after I sent an apology right away.
      It’s taught me never to write a comment/email while you’re angry for any reason.

    • Steven K.

      Well, I don’t think near-rape / quasi-rape (well, not to open that can of tentacles again, but whatever we decided it was) – various types of violation, at least – I don’t think anyone can really argue that being for anyone’s “own good”. Sure, we learn from adversity, we grow from suffering through pain, we hopefully become more empathetic to the sufferings of others (or some become sociopaths). But no-one needs that kind of trauma IN ORDER to develop. I know that you, least of all, would say, in response to someone discussing some sort of sexual violation / rape / kidnapping / nonconsensual naked bondage and fondling – whatever it might be – and tell them, well, it was for your own good – you needed that – you couldn’t have grown or developed without experiencing that. I kinda wish you wouldn’t feel that you need to apologize about feeling or having felt certain ways about Kyle’s paralyzed suffering. I don’t feel that I need to apologize for anything I’ve felt – and a damn lot of it has been the same as what you’ve expressed. We don’t all have to feel the same things about something, nor should we feel a need to apologize to those who may feel differently. Of course they needn’t apologize to us either.

      • Jakk Anthony Guzman

        Steven, we also have to keep in mind that this is a comic. In comics the supervillians are always trying to kill the superheroes, kidnapping and torturing them, etc.
        In the comics everything happens to the superheroes because they are the main character of the story. Kyle is a superhero who happens to be gay. It is unavoidable to have stuff happen to him, both good and bad. So as difficult as it is for many of us to read about the awful situation that Kyle is in, we have to keep in mind that it is a comic and that this is part of the action/drama/soap opera/ that comics are made of.
        I’m just glad that we have a superhero who is gay (and possibly a supervillian too, if he didn’t lie about that too), unlike the mainstream comics who until very recently only had straight superheroes. And still do for all main characters.

        • Steven K.

          You just make me want to say “Awwwww” (maybe it’s still partly the puppy) 😉

      • Adam Black

        ” I don’t feel that I need to apologize for anything I’ve felt – and a
        damn lot of it has been the same as what you’ve expressed.”

        You definitely do not need to apologize for it. I expressed the same feelings very strongly — before you first posted. It made people uncomfortable ( because Duncans actions appeared ambigous at the time ). especially when I mentioned sexual assault. I took a lot of heat for it. I decided to let these feelings go, so I could enjoy the story.

        Now I feel the same way as viewing it as harmless popcorn fair I am not experiencing vicariously. No apologies. I usually try to convert a fantasy story into as many real elements as possible, and “make it real” in my head. It sounds like you may have— with your advanced education into anatomy, and magic/occult,—done the same thing: make it real in your headspace.

        My imagination is too vivid, I am not going to recreate a hell in my brain. So I am letting it all go.

        Since the dimension change I am no longer viewing this under real world logic. ( they are not in the real world! ) nor as a romance comic. From the standpoint of a fantasy superhero comic Heroes get into life threatening battles all the time, and almost never get any PTSD. It isn’t really a genre change, it’s just the slow romance was done so well, it blanked out the superhero aspect for me. I may have tried to express this to you before. I suspect not as clearly. Both viewpoints are correct—but they depend on the context/framework from which you view story.

        Although I reserve the right to flip back when its mostly about personal relationships among the characters.

        • This! This is exactly how I am as well.

          “My imagination is too vivid, I am not going to recreate a hell in my brain. So I am letting it all go.”
          I’ve been reading books/comics since I was 5 and after years of reading various genres, I’m automaticly able to differenciate and have that ‘block’ that makes me able to read something without freaking too much – some things that I would find really unconfortable and never accept in real life. To a degree at least. I won’t/don’t like to read about gore or any kind of violence/assault if it’s done just to add it to a story and it has no reason plotwise. A book might make me cry (bawled my eyes out a few times), happens often when a character moves me, but I’m able to not get into a bad headspace an let it freak me out.

          Now, on the other hand, give me a slasher/horror movie – or anything with really bad scenes – and I’m out. Even a comic that’s too much about showing ex. rape can turn me off in an instant. I can read a book with death and most types of horror in pretty bad ways, but I can’t do a movie. A movie is already made pictures that my vivid imaginations can’t.. ‘decide’ how it want to read them, it can’t block out the visual images. The more ‘real’ the horror, the worse I feel. Torture-movies like Saw and Hostel would make me physical ill and I refuse to watch them – where as some of my favorite books have lots of dead people, killed in gruesome ways, but it doesn’t affect me anywhere near as bad.

          • Sapfo

            I do agree with you.
            But because I am colored by my profession, I often find myself in analyzing the violence.

            “No, not possible to survive that fall.”
            “No, should not be able to do that.”
            “Yeah, you can do that, but you will end up dead.”

            but this happens mostly when the story is boring. Give me an engaging story and I will not be distracted by medical errors, and I’m more willing to have overlook other things too

          • SofiaT

            Same here, to all of the above. Couldn’t agree more.

            With one slight change: I can often allow myself to get too attached to the heroes of a book and cry my eyes out but the key word here is allow. If I feel a book is dragging me in too deep, I’ll disentangle myself.
            Otherwise, I do look and search for that connection, if I see I can’t connect to the characters of a book and feel what they feel, I don’t see much point in reading.

            The medium though is different and that is why I often find myself staying up all night and finishing the book, even if it means I will be like a zombie at work the next day. With a webcomic (especially this webcomic, which is the only one so dear to my heart) I won’t allow myself to dive into these emotions, but only touch them on the surface, because the conclusion and resolution of the story is so far away that anything else would be self-torturing.
            I’m sure that when all chapters have been published and I hold them in my hands, devouring them, my way of seeing things will be different, and not only because I’ll know what’s happening by then (hey, I know how P&P ends and I still cry at the proposal scene anyway…) but because then I’ll be free to let all the feels loose.

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            Same here, I too have a very vivid imagination and can get pulled in into the story. I had already been pulled in to this story and had to remind myself that this is typical of superhero stories, and distance myself a bit from it.

          • Adam Black

            I would say here it was not automatic, i made a conscious choice, both as a justification when I first reacted to the hint of the plot twist, and during, to change how I viewed it.

            But it was obvious, even then, if I was going to stay a regular reader something had to give.

            I hear you about Horror movies. It extremely rare when I watch one nowadays. I havent seen any of the “saws” or hostel either. I think after Hannabal, I decided I was done. If you do not know why I am not going to tell you. Although it was widely talked about. You are right, there are some things you can’t unsee.

            I do like the creepiness and suspense of Dexter, but I wasn’t a fan of the gore in season 5. I think it was bad writing for shock value.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            I tend to laugh at horror movies and slasher flicks (OMG THERE’S A PUPPET ATTACKING ME! STAB ME AND DYED CORNSYRUP SPRAYS EVERYWHERE! WATCH ME REACT TO THIS CGI, I’M SO DAMN TALENTED IT HURTS!) or analyze them to death. With Saw I spent my time working out several alternate ways to escape the various traps and the building itself, and didn’t care too much about the characters. I generally can’t take the horror or slasher genres seriously enough to be moved by the violence.

          • Adam Black

            I think I have had bad things happen to me, and put them behind me moved on with my life, but my deep subconscious knows bad things about human beings.

            It isnt fear from horror movies.
            Its more malaise/ minor anxiety later .It needs to be a good story done well and not just gratutitous. and most of them are terrible anyways.

            I wouldnt waste any of my adult mental health on the trash i watched as kid to prove something.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Good that you don’t. I agree about not stressing yourself out. Ridiculous to let garbage hurt you if you can avoid it.

        • Steven K.

          I really appreciate a lot of what you mention here. And as far as regarding you mentioning sexual assault – I’m sorry you got heat for that – you shouldn’t have, in my opinion. Seems totally appropriate to me.

          • Adam Black

            You should really go back and my my comments around page 30-31

            I even had to go into magical theory as Intent, the realworld nature of sex magic theory on and on… I highlighted every act of nonconsent Duncan foisted on him from the beginning too. There are a lot!

            What turned me, was Duncan getting out of bed. Right then.

            It seems appropriate now. Some people thought I was criticizing Alex, instead of Duncan. Other people thought by saying it I was risking hurting someone who was assaulted.

            The problem is that if it was rapey on page 30, its a million times worse now if viewed that way.

            I was probably the first major person to seriously rage against Duncan. Because I saw it.

            Which is where I point out to you that I saw it first because, I’ve been with D-bags to know that is the classic sign. Since the story looked more ambiguous I was taken for just a theorizer

            But I confined my rage to to the early thirties. Once Duncan confessed I was relieved. It meant most everyone coming on my side.

            But now Im just here to have fun. Kyles fiction. I am real.

        • I agree. This is really responding to AB and Steven K. I do some times sound apologetic when I’m explaining the myriad of conflicting feelings I experience in this fiction… which I really really like. I should grab ahold of my language (see did it again), it’s just that at different times and days, I feel entirely different intensities about current events in this serialized world.

          One day I may awake and I’m furious that we can do THIS to Kyle, and that people advocate going gently with Duncan, for whatever reason (how dare they?). Other days, I love Duncan for his powerful personal conviction and his Silver Fox heat. Sometimes, I’m just cranky because I don’t know what’s going on, and other days I love that there is a world of mystery and (like so often in fiction) I haven’t figured out where our smart author is taking us and thus I can’t (as so often) leap ahead in comfort.

          But the emotions are the most erratic of all. As StevenK. points out, when I’m feeling dark about Kyle… it because I’m bound to that bed also, unable to speak, waiting to be sold to a demon for no better reason than eternal life for this scum and ‘his sow’… and I did this … my gay desperation led me to make stupid idiotic choices and here we are! (Because Kyle-I didn’t know about the story or WoG… all we-I knew was that Kyle-I fucked up badly and it’s the end of the world because we were wrong bad and weak.

          And those are quintessential young gay feelings… wrong, bad and weak… in the real world. And it takes a lifetime to overcome them. As drama Alex is a genius, as torture it’s right on for some of us. As I’ve said before, so so close to the bone. And because that’s the way I am, I go deep and some days there is no distance between myself and Kyle. So those posts aren’t fair, just emotionally PACKED and I’ll repeat… occasionally it’s a Hannibal Lector flensing.

          And on the occasional day that I’m not a genius, that’s not to far off of any mark. Those are the days that, even falsely cloaked in humor, that my posts are evisceratingly-off and the snark shines through for no ‘logical’ reason. Just that a paralyzed boy on a burning bed waiting to be sold to hell can’t be pushed to the back of my mind.

          AND I KNOW IT’S FICTION. Daft huh?

          I am this way about all great stories that capture my psyche and yet I return to the well. I need that water of imagination. The Goddess has a sense of humor and I fear I amuse her greatly.

          D-Wolf and others have talked about not being able to watch slasher films (imagination too vivid) or torture porn (SAW etc…) and I’m exactly the same. NEVER. It’s like having my soul dipped in sewage, because I can’t turn it into a joke. The on-page/screen soul suffering in pain is stuck in my head and heart forever… so I avoid. And thus I’m anxiously awaiting part x where Kyle gets out of bondage and begins to act. I need that. So, clearly, the WoG is the only reason I’m here also. It gives me the intermittent strength to stop thinking about Kyle’s suffering until we get there — or it has so far (?)

          I can pretend in my mind that Kyle (and I) will go to therapy and get over this and be happy one day. And, just as bad, I have to face and take inner responsibility for how much I want Duncan to suffer for the way in which he did this… I’m not a sadist, I don’t like to think of myself that way. I’m not like some of our readers. I envy their ability to put this into perspective and wish Duncan well. Not yet for me… maybe… but not yet. And THAT makes me feel small… and rightly so as I confront my baser emotions.

          So when StevenK or anyone fairly mentions my seemingly unnecessary apologies… it’s really not my words I’m apologizing for, but the flip flopping nature of my mood that drives them on any given day. Why do I wake the one day and think, “Oh, I didn’t really mean THAT?” or “It’s a Comic, Chris, get over it.”

          And then there are those days when it’s too vivid and Kyle’s betray is too real, Duncan’s evil acts too wrong, and my own inability to stop this fantasy-tragedy too infuriating. On those days I’ll post something so bleak… only to wish to retract that on another day.

          So there you go, an uninteresting and unnecessary explanation of the wonky nature of my moods and the posting that goes with them and why I feel the need to apologize occasionally for excesses of emotion regarding a webcomic of all things.

          Trust me, there are books I pick up and read just the very chapter that is guaranteed to make me burst into tears every time. Why? All I can figure is that it’s the modern day version of EOD, emotion-on-demand. A good clearing of the pipes that can be ordered up as needed.

          So, thank you to StevenK, AB, D-wolf and others who have shared the depths of emotion called up (even within a comic) and understand the erratic nature of relating to character suffering. It certainly doesn’t make sense but, at the same time, it is certainly no less powerful for being non-sensical.

          Could I stop reading YP and wait till the end. Of course… technically… and that I have that power and can’t seem to act on it… is the daftest thing of all. 🙂

          Thanks for sharing my blah blah…

          Best,
          ChrisD

  • WarGoddess

    Sircea: Prepare for trouble!

    Duncan: Make it double!

    Sircea: To initiate the world’s devastation!

    Duncan: To enslave all peoples within our nation!

    Sircea: To enhance the evils of truth and love!

    Duncan: To extend our reach to the stars above!

    Sircea: Platinum Priestess!

    Duncan: Annihilator!

    Sircea: Team silver villainy, blast off at the speed of light!

    Duncan: Surrender now, or prepare to fight!

    Laampros: Maggots! That’s right!

    Lol this just popped into my head for no apparent reason. I realize now that Duncan and Sircea remind me of Jessie and James from Team Rocket so much, lol. XD

    • *LOL* Oh god, can’t unsee now.

      • WarGoddess

        Muahahahaha!!!! I can’t unsee it either, and I did it to myself. Glad someone else is sharing my pain, lol. XD

    • Ikaru Sentinal-K’Valshar

      I love you.

      • WarGoddess

        I get that a lot. 😀

    • I kept wondering why did this sound familiar. Hmm where did I here this before. Was it from wrestling, but no it’s too elegant for that. And then I looked up Team Rocket, because that really was familiar. Ah yes, now I remember.

      I should not remember such things!

    • silibub

      This is just fantastic. I’ll have to draw them in Team Rocket uniforms sometime!

    • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

      Okay, I had to invoke the powers of google and youtube. All I know about Pokemon is that the premise disturbed me (beat things up, jam them in tiny prisons, use them for bloodsport, call it friendship O.o), there’s a lot of screaming and an electric yellow rat involved somehow.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFhgbpt7eKY

      Duncan, in a bikini, with prize-winning inflatable breasts. Not a thought I ever would have had without this post. To the rest, I have no idea what’s going on.

      • Vincent

        Yeah that about sums it up. But don’t worry-pokeballs force them to love you. I assume through some sort of continuous narcotic injection. So it’s no so bad. It’s not like they constantly resent you taking them away from their homes and forcing them into dog fights.

        • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

          Or they do and they’re just so high they can’t do anything about it…

          What an awful thought.

          • Adam Black

            LOL

          • Really? Here I am all drugged up and lounging most of my day away in my deluxe cushioned poke-palace (bigger on the inside than outside – think Jeannie’s bottle) and I only come out once in a while to kick the ever loving shite out of some creature that would probably be annoying me if I met him in a bar…? Right?

            Then it’s back into the ball for more good drugs and some nice R&R.

            So maybe not a bad life, huh?

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Not sure I wouldn’t kill myself.

          • Dear sonoftheatomicbiscuithead,

            We at Pokemon Industries feel that you may not be the right person to fill our currently open position of company spokesperson. Thank you for taking the time to submit your resume and good luck in your future endeavors.

            Sincerely,
            Giovanni
            Director of Corporate Public Relations
            and evil Mastermind of Team Rocket
            POKEMON, INC.

          • Steven K.

            I think the actual corporate entity that holds Pokemon, or at least the name of the stock, is “4 Kids Entertainment”.

      • Adam Black

        LOL.

        That made me laugh out loud. I have an acquaintance who as acquired a medical level of knowledge of Pokemon species.

        On one level the detail makes it like Dungeons and Dragons, without the dungeon and adventure. Its basically japanese fantasy cockfighting with invented mythical creatures. It actually gets as stats intensive as a fantasy sport league.

      • WarGoddess

        Aww, it’s okay to not know what’s going on. To me, Pokemon was my childhood. I used to go upstairs to my best friend’s apartment every day after school and watch the show in his Grandmother’s room. I never really thought of it as a bad thing, just a funny show that obeyed the laws of cartoon/anime physics. If someone got hurt on the show, they would just take them to a local Pokemon hospital, Brock would hit on Nurse Joy (every single hospital had a different Nurse Joy there, but they all looked exactly the same), and everything would be okay again. And I always held onto the bigger living space inside the Pokeball theory, because Pokemon made me believe anything was possible. 😀

        Oh, and Team Rocket is a trio of bumbling bad guys who are constantly attempting to capture Ash’s Pikachu. His Pikachu is special, seeing as how it can produce more intense electric shocks than other Pikachus. They say this speech every single time they show up, and it gets to the point where they don’t even last a full minute against Ash, Misty, and Brock. 😀

        • Are you saying a Pokeball is made of Timelord technology?

    • Simba Hutchison

      Hoooo man. This nearly killed me. My eyes were watering as I struggled to not bust up laughing in a quiet reception room of a medical clinic… Especially since I’m the receptionist. Kudos, friend.

      • WarGoddess

        I have that moment a lot, where everything’s quiet, then I see something on the internet that makes me laugh, except I actually do laugh out loud. It’s usually kinda obnoxious and people look at me funny, but I don’t give a crap. Thank you for the Kudos!!! 😀

    • CuriousElementalist

      As an early 90’s kid I’ll admit that I heard the music while reading this x’D

      Also, for anyone’s convenience, to sum up the Pokemon game mechanics in a single sentence (and to quote from Johnny Wander): “Charles Darwin meets cockfighting.”

      Although for me Pokemon was more of a fun adventure full of cool animal things, criminals to defeat, and places to discover… that is before it became too overextended and the episodes got lame.

  • Alan Michael Williams

    Meanwhile, the eyeball takes one look at that key-orb and says, “I’m in love.”

    • Sapfo

      Is this be beginning of the tragic love story between George and Clave? Or is it a romantic comedy?

      • Awesome new avatar. I would know you anywhere. It’s nice to see your bowl runneth over too. Lovely!

        Yes this is becoming an absurdist romantic comedy. You may be losing your sparkly dimensional key to George’s orbital wiles… I smell eye & key love. (We have to admit, George does give sexy pupil). Ahhh we’re back on the track of love and hope again in this book. I feel better already.

        Nice to see you again. *smiles*

        ChrisD

        • Sapfo

          As you said it about yourself, and I agree. Needed a new look. And since you removed your thoracic picture, so I thought my bust picture should be a good fit. Unfortunately I’m somewhat shyer than you 😉

          Yes, I am waiting for this romantic comedy to unfold. George may have Clave, but I will have Claves brother. It´s my birthday coming up soon, and I need a key ^_^

          • I have every hope for your birthday Miss Sapfo… I sense a key looking for the right lock as we speak. This can only end happiness. 🙂

          • Sapfo

            When I say soon, it´s like a month away. So we can fight over how gets the second key for a little more time.

            And yes, George and Claves where meant too be.

          • Awwww *wipes away a tear* I hope Alex is listening. THIS is the key to ROMANCE!

          • Sapfo

            Alex is a sly man, he listens without us knowing it 😉

    • Perfect!

  • AliceVenturi

    So, it takes a key on each side of the wall. Interesting. I wonder what would happen if one of the keys just…disappeared while Laampy was passing through the wall?

    Duncan is just digging himself in deeper and deeper. “And” is a word full of potential trouble, I think. Demons, in most mythologies, are generally seen as being as old, or nearly as old, as creation. Things don’t change much, in hell. Our side of the “wall of blood and pain,” on the other hand, changes often and rapidly (comparatively speaking, of course). Once upon a time, if my geology instructor is to be believed, all the current-day continents were part of one big landmass. I wonder how current Laampy’s knowledge of our world’s geography is? And I wonder if that matters to him?

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      That landmass was called Pangea. I can’t picture Duncan happy with just two continents. And I don’t picture Laampros happy with just part of the Earth when he can have it all. Each one of them will try to screw the other. It should be interesting.

  • avstron

    Butbutbut… EUROPE??? ANNI! How could you offer the Old Continent to death and destruction! THERE IS ART THERE!! :-I

    Stupid supervillains, always harming humanity.

    • Steven K.

      Yeah – I SOOO agree about the art – and Europe is, in general oh-so-more-sophisticated. If I were Duncan, I would have taken the Northern Hemisphere and given Laampros the Southern Hemisphere. Though if there was a way to swap out, say, Mongolia plus Siberia for Australia and New Zealand, that would be even better.

      • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

        “Sorry, you’re getting tossed under a bus because your area of the planet isn’t arty or sophisticated enough.”

        ……

        • I don’t think so. It seems if you throw in the relatively good looking men of various world locales, then you’ve pretty much got it. According to KrX, Duncan could have a harem… something I need to think about… thoroughly.

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Hey, I’m supposed to be the cold-blooded reptile around here. lol

            I’d say *thoroughly*. Harems were hotbeds of intrigue and betrayal. Imagine all that stress. I know I couldn’t handle it. “BUT HE HAD YOU TUESDAY!” “SHE’S ON HER PERIOD! I WANT HER SPOT!” etc. One person long term would be enough for me as future Dictator of the Kingdom of Bullshittia.

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            Well, it doesn’t have to be a big harem, just a little one. 😛

          • Hey Jakk,

            Just a small harem with a few well behaved Chihuahuas. Either with enormous testicles or lots of teats… as you wish. Hey, “It’s your harem, you can breed if you want to, breed it you want to, breed it you want to, it’s your harem….”

          • KryX

            Or a serial harem, one at a time, maybe two.

          • LOL… re The Land of Bullshittia, I seem to have a lifetime appointment there as it’s Supreme Poohbah! But considering, the locale, that could be B.S. too. 🙂

            All your issues of estrogen falling into sync would only be endemic to YOUR harem. Sorry Sonny, but your hormone factory signed you up for double the opportunities, but also double the Mars/Venus issues. I’d just need to stock up on viagra or be a super villain in order tooo…. ohhhhhhh… got it. 🙂

            I do agree. If I had a harem all reminding me to pick up bread and milk and toilet paper on the way home from work running the empire, I’d slit my throat. Maybe I’ll just stick with my one Boar and rule peacefully (you can have the magic Sow, I saw your song. Looks scary.)

            Best,
            CD

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            Exactly. The nagging and jockeying for position would be worth sticking your head in an oven over.

            Don’t shoo me away from the menfolk now, tsk.

            Plats is sexy and has fascinating tentacle magic that I wouldn’t mind taking for a test drive, but she scares me. I think she’s going to end up being the bigger monster between her and Funky Dunks, High Lord Douchecanoe of Bullshittia.

          • “Don’t shoo me away from the menfolk now, tsk.”

            Darn, and I thought I was being subtle… 😛

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            The neon sign was a bit much. XD

          • This is where the sexbot harem comes in. No muss no fuss.

          • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

            Deacon created quite fuss in Artifice.

          • That’s very true. But…but a sexbot doesn’t have to kill anyone. And so long as the master/mistress was fair…

          • sonoftheatomicbiscuithead

            I laughed at all the sexbot harem, but I’m not especially turned on by slaves. Playing one or playing with a playmate/partner who wants to play as one, certainly, actuality? No. Cue the waves of guilt and me freeing the harem to explore their own happiness.

          • Sniff. Not slaves. Certainly not slaves. Sexbots would be there because they want to be there. Wouldn’t they? I mean you have one sexbot who wants to be there and soon another and another and I certainly couldn’t send them away.

          • Holly

            That depends if the sexbots are robots or androids(like me). Since Robot as a word comes from the Czech word “Robotnik” which means slave. Androids are not slaves. So yeah.

            I’m sorry for selling out my mechanical brothers.

          • HA!

            I don’t need no slavebots. Just want a lovely sexbot.

          • Holly

            But how will you make sure it is not your slave?!

          • Cause…cause…programming? Um…freewill programming? Yeah, freewill programming.

          • Holly

            Free will programming yet still programmed to find you attractive?

          • Well…um…um… That would suck to be programmed to find me attractive. Stay away from my sexbot harem! 😛

          • Holly

            *looks down at CSR uniform* Um…okay. So someone else is going to need to be your sales/maintenance android then?!

          • Well no, just..just… I mean you keep them well maintain. But but… I treat them well. That counts for something. Right?

          • Holly

            Of course. It’s just that you told me to keep away. I was confused.

          • I thought you were going to take them from me. *puppy dog eyes*

          • Holly

            Naw. so long as I get my mech muffins I will not take away your cybernetic lovers.

          • Yay! *give basket of macadamia nuts and bolts muffins* They’re your favorite right?

          • Holly

            HOORAY! *noms*

          • Just let me know, and I’ll get you all the muffins you want.

          • Holly

            Muffins are nice! Muffins with nutella in the center!

          • I can do that. I gots the motts… er nutella centered muffins.

          • Holly

            Motts?! O_o

          • I just showed my age again. Motts is a brand of applesauce here. From my youth…
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me87viDC04o

          • Holly

            I know what Motts is. You meant This but I thought you were talking about THIS! So I wanted to know why you were giving me horrible disgusting clamato.

          • Ewww. No no no no no. And of course my apologies. Silly american. I shoulda just put the video up.
            😛

          • Holly

            It doesn’t seem like the kid likes Motts. I mean you never trade the best thing in your lunch box…

          • Not unless you’re running a racket. The applesauce mafia is strong in this one.

          • Holly

            Like the Olive Oil mafia?!

          • Or the maple syrup mafia.

            Hell if I know, I think I lost the thread.

          • Holly

            NO seriously. Olive Oil was a big thing with the actual mafia.

          • I could see that. But was I led wrong? I thought there was also a Maple Syrup Mafia.

            As for the apple sauce, no, I was joking. Which landed badly and I hear the chirps of crickets. *wanders off to blanket fort*

          • Holly

            *RUSHES A HEAD AND CLAIM IT* MINE! *puts up a flag and keeps you all out*

          • You’re in my spot.

        • Steven K.

          All a matter of personal taste. South America does have the Incan archaeological sites, so that would be a treasure to lose.

      • KryX

        It’s a tough call. The men in Brazil are very good looking. Being supreme leader, Duncan can take his pick;)

    • Vincent

      I say let it burn. The world doesn’t need any more poor dental hygiene or eel pies. Besides, Laampros’ world already looks like an improvement on the current Europe. More welcoming, really.

    • Lotys

      It’s really a smart move. If you are looking at the world you can say one side is the American continents. Canada, The U.S., and South America. They are nice neat and connected. Laampros might feel like he is getting jipped if Duncan wanted the European continents. They are connected to the Asian continents and there is no clear geographical divide. Plus, the Asian continent has the most people, which Laampros would clearly want. Duncan choose the American continents out of simplicity for Laampros. ‘All of this floating over here is mine, the rest is yours.’ That’s just my take on it, anyway.

      • Jakk Anthony Guzman

        “Duncan choose the American continents out of simplicity for Laampros”. Wow, so thoughtful and caring. So sensitive towards the feelings of others. 😀

        • Lotys

          Well, if I was making a deal with a demon/devil thing I would not want any misunderstandings or complications. Plus, Laampros could easily lose interest if Duncan made things overly complicated. Duncan is merely following KISS.

        • Hey Duncan’s a giver. Right? Mostly pain and misery for others, but still a giver.

    • And Duncan’s fave restaurant is in Hong Kong!

  • So…to recap….

    EITHER Duncan is stupid enough to make a deal with a demon (and will end up being screwed over – and by Laampy’s official demon pitchfork)

    OR Duncan is stupid enough to try to pull a fast one on a demon (in which case, it’s definitely Pitchfork time!)

    But neither bodes well for Kyle, who is seriously at risk whatever happens!

  • Sapfo

    Sometimes I have strange associations, in this case, I start comparing Keys with the Southern Oracle from “The never ending story.” It feels like it’ll start talking in mysterious riddles.

    • Jakk Anthony Guzman

      Let’s hope they don’t start crumbling too. 😀

      • Sapfo

        Oh no atreyu! Run! /(0.0)

        • Platos_Redhaired_Stepchild

          Aaaaartax!

  • I am here! You may all rest easy now. How terrible it must be to camp without me.
    I bring s’mores, coffee, and popcorn.
    Let the camping games begin.

    • Holly

      wow you beat me here by an HOUR. You started early. *nabs some smores*

      • Ah, I just moved and forgot about the time change lol

  • Sapfo

    The time! The time! Who’s got the time?

    I need something to de-stress, time for tea and time for camping!

    • Holly

      I HAVE CEREAL! *gives camp supplies*

      • Sapfo

        And I got some 3 mints and ….. and one lemon. 😉

        sorry, make that 2 mints now.

  • Tina

    Damn, I’d love to camp but I gotta get up at like 6 tomorrow (its already 12). Look forward to the update in the morning!

    • Sapfo

      sleep tight don’t let Laampros bite ^_^

    • Holly

      Sleep Tight Tina. Remember that 6 is a bad number and waking up at that time will break the walls of flesh and pain. But sweet dreams anyway. 😛

      • Tina

        Gee… thanks… *hugs my sword tightly in bed*

        • Holly

          *grins broadly*

  • Holly

    Okay it needs to be said:
    Kyle if you had just been upfront with your friends about your sexuality, they would have found you a nice boy to date. Instead you ended up in an alley with the world’s most powerful supervillain, who had been stalking you for months. Now you are tied to the bed/ground of a hell dimension, and a giant Red demon is about to take over 3/4 of the planet. Just because you were too scared to come out!

    So remember boys and girls, be honest about who you are to your friends. Or evil demons will take over the world.

    This message brought to you by a Canadian Android named Holly, who may or may not be a psychic vampire that uses your thoughts to power her batteries.

    • SofiaT

      “Instead you ended up in an alley with the world’s most powerful supervillain, who had been stalking you for months.”

      Months? I have a feeling it was more like 6 years…

      • Holly

        Seventy Two Months is still “months” >_>

      • Holly

        I went back to page 31, where does he say it was SIX years?!

        • SofiaT

          Oh, it doesn’t say that anywhere.

          I’m just guessing that Duncan has been planning this since Kyle’s powers first manifested -back when he was 12.

          • Holly

            I thought he got his powers when he was 9. Wasn’t that when the fire was? Oh I am confuzzled.

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            12 wasn’t it?

          • Holly

            Yes Sofia said the same thing.

        • Jakk Anthony Guzman

          On Page 31 Duncan says “LONG”, I take that to mean a few years at least, not a few months.

          • Holly

            I never said a FEW months. I said months.

          • Jakk Anthony Guzman

            You’re fighting this to the bitter end Holly, aren’t you? LOL

          • Holly

            I was not programmed to give up. ^_^

          • Sapfo

            Cookies?

          • Holly

            COOKIES! *eat cookies*

            ….wait. Did Sapfo capture me again?

          • Sapfo

            Surrender to me Holly! O_O

          • Holly

            That’s it. You’re not my mom anymore. I’m running off with DW!

          • Yay for freewill programming!

          • Holly

            YAY! I am better than angels!

          • Sapfo
          • Holly

            Pretty much yes…. You are Elmira.

          • Sapfo

            Jup ^_^

          • *LOL* Yay! I showed up in just the right time.

          • Sapfo

            No! I will not let go of my Holly! o.o

          • Holly

            I SUMMONED A DANISH WOLF! What do I do now…

          • Run away with me.. to the promised land where android are safe from demons and other bad entities.

          • Sapfo

            Danish, can I come with too? I want to see this land.

          • Holly

            Won’t that defeat the point? *wary*

          • Sapfo

            I don´t really care, I just want to be with all the lovely people ^_^

          • Holly

            Sapfo is going to make a pretty little zoo and keep us all in there, but we won’t know because she will give us computers, wifi, yaoi, and snacks.

          • amanda

            that wouldn’t be a zoo it would be heaven lol.

          • Holly

            I feel like heaven would have other stuff.

          • amanda

            point so that would be more like the waiting room to get into heaven

          • Holly

            Yup.

          • Sapfo

            There is no Yaoi in heaven…..Stay with me ^_^

          • Holly

            Just normally or in the zoo?

          • Sapfo

            Normal, my zoo…I mean my guess rooms are yaoi filled.

          • You mean like the reading room at Yaoi-con but with a hundred times more books?

          • Sapfo

            eee yes? Maybe? In my dreams!

          • Holly

            No like a maid cafe

          • Holly

            “guest rooms” right. 😛

          • Sapfo

            Be low on oxygen?

          • Holly

            OOOO What else is in this land?!

            …. wait this isn’t like the rabbits in “of mice and men” is it?

          • amanda

            OH CRAP!! best hope not… hated that book and that stupid movie. cried like everyone else.

        • The six years is a between the lines thing.

          Kyle’s powers manifested 6 years ago – and suddently Duncan goes from being an obvious bad guy to more ‘behind the stage’ crimes around that time as well (we know from what Kyle said on Chap. 2, page 4)

          Coinsidence? I doubt.

          • Holly

            DW wins again. Huzzah to DW who wins the all!

          • SofiaT

            My thoughts exactly. Too convenient to be a coincidence.

          • I still wonder why Duncan goes to more “behind the stage” crimes. Was it to convince Kyle that he’d changed his tune?

            Damn, I’m making awesome chicken chili with beer and I’m supposed to be writing. My camping presence might be a little spotty tonight.

          • Plans have been brewing for a while. Duncan would have had a harder time doing all the planning and scheming with PP if he’d had more heroes hunting him, or keeping an eye on him because he was out hurting people in obvious ways.

          • Okay, that makes good sense. I wonder if they had to do a lot of research to find the right spell to use and to figure out the correct timing.

      • Ha. I knew someone wrote this comment somewhere it was like an archeological dig finding it…

        I thought what you said was interesting when you guys first discussed it… I remember wondering what about your “six” years tickled my memory. It was maybe on page (?) 109 or 110, I think, right before Duncan takes Kyle into the warehouse for their ‘date’, Klye admits he did research on Duncan and that his “crimes” seemed to just stop in the public press about … (wait for it) about six years ago and Duncan suggest that there are better ways to make money than crime and so on.

        I thought that had meaning. I have no proof, but I might suspect it connects to your observation above.

        All best,
        ChrisD

    • jreed3842

      Whew I’m glad I came out in time! I’d hate to be the reason Demon’s took over the world! Lol.

  • amanda

    coffee…. that is all im running on. coffee and excitement… well and the fact I have my sister’s cats and my dog on my bed…:D

    • Holly

      HOW MANY CATS?!

      • amanda

        2 lol they wont sleep with anyone but me. and the same for my dog. all the animals love me…
        so fun when I try to sleep and everyone decides its play time. lol

        • Holly

          My cat sleeps behind my computer. It is not a good place and he has chairs and my bed and his bed, but NOpe. Behind the laptop *sighs*

          • amanda

            lol sounds about right. I got my dog a bed when I first got her and my sisters got a bed for their cats to share. do any of them use them to sleep on? …no… they play and chew on them.

  • Sapfo

    I heard about a tradition from US, that you put cookies and milk out for the new page. Or was that for someone else?

    • Alex IS our comic santa, so offer it to him.
      *Sets down a snickers and a plate of rum balls*

      • Drinks! What’s the best drink to offer?

      • Sapfo

        Well he do gives us a big red man at least.
        Cookies it is!

        • amanda

          I think the big red man Alex gave us would rather have souls or world domination or something like that

  • davefragments

    Any word on if the page is in the Oven (As Alex says) ?

    • Holly

      Alex has not mentioned it. So I would think that no.

      • davefragments

        Thanks.

    • I was wondering that too! I just did a quick Twitter scan and nothing so far.

  • Sapfo

    Should We Scare the Shit Out of Our Kids?
    Or Should Alex & Friends scare the shit out of us?

    http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videolinks/thatguywiththeglasses/nostalgia-critic/41043-should-we-scare-the-shit-out-of-our-kids

    • Enjoyed that video! The headless horseman gave me the screaming horrors for months after I saw it.

  • Ugh! Disqus is being stupid.
    First it wouldn’t tell me the newest notifications (that one’s usual every camp) but now it has stopped showing the New Message Below/Above thing so now I can’t just find them. Only way I know is because the message number on the page goes up.

    • Holly

      Ditto

      • It seems to be the newest error in this Disqus version when a site gets busy.

        • Sapfo

          I always have a note for 49 new messengers. It´s annoying

          • Try opening your Notifications and then go waay back in them. There’s probably somewhere when you haven’t loaded the ‘pages’ with these notifications. I’ve tried that as well.

          • Sapfo

            Now it´s stuck at 50 XD

          • Well not now.. at a time where your notifications number will have calmed down because you’re not camping on a busy site 🙂

          • Sapfo

            This is going to take some time. But I was kind of enjoying the 50 make 😉
            Thanks!

        • Holly

          I only know I have messages because I’m getting e-mails

    • Sapfo

      Same here!

    • amanda

      same here!

  • Sapfo

    Well I am afraid this is the last part of my active camping. Have to do other things like washing, cleaning, packing boxes and finish my master’s thesis.

    • Holly

      hmmm maybe this mean i can beat you ^^

      • Sapfo

        I will be home, just not active in front of the computer. I will check in when ever I can.
        I will try for the virgin!

  • Not a word from Alex yet. I’m starting to fear that the poor guy is working a loong day again 🙁

    I almost kinda hope he’s just fallen asleep – or even better that he’s having a fun night with friends or family.

  • jreed3842

    Well…. It seems my camping for the night will be coming to an end. Usually the little updates from Alex kept me motivated to stay awake… but we haven’t heard from him… So I think I’m just gonna head to bed! Good night, all! I’ll see y’all in the morning!

  • Heh. Haven’t fallen asleep. Just, yes, a long day. And took a bit to get all the ingredients for the page. But it’s now baking in the oven. Should be up in the next hour. 🙂

    • Sapfo

      Yeah! I have time to throw in the laundry XD
      And maybe do some other thing to ^_^
      Cookies for you!

      • And I can sit down and eat my chicken chili with beer at leisure and write for a bit. See you all in about 30 minutes!

    • Holly

      I don’t have anything. I’m just going to wait ^^

  • If you want a little something to entertain you while waiting, I present one of my favorite sites. It can be slightly NSFW btw.. in case you sit somewhere public 🙂
    http://deshommesetdeschatons.tumblr.com/

    • Holly

      FOLLOWING!

    • Feverfew_M

      Darn, I’m gonna lose hours of my life again… ;D

      Gorgeous site. Thanks for the rec!

    • Also Following!

  • …and Starfighter just updated.. Guess who got the virgin ;D
    I’ve been camping for that for the last 3 hours.

    • Sapfo

      NONONO!!! I wanted that virgin! -_-

      • *pat pat* I’m sure I must have been fun watching. I felt like checking, and literally jumped in my chair when is said page 77 and hurried to the comments xD

        • Sapfo

          Well Danish, you got me this time. Now I will not leave this computer for some time. I will wait….for it! o.o

    • Holly

      DW and sapfo get all the virgins

    • Oops! Sorry, Danish, in my overexcitement I didn’t see this comment.

  • Holly

    It just started raining. So loud I can hear it! I have places to go tomorrow >_<

  • Anon V

    Surely Duncan realises that within eternity, the Americas as he knows it will no longer exist? Plate tectonics anyone?

  • STARFIGHTER JUST UPDATED!!! Yummy!

    Edit: Danish posted a note about it 20 mins ago.

    • HarmHarm210

      I can’t believe it’s been about five years since someone gave me the link to Starfighter…. 😛

        • HarmHarm210

          Ah, I’ve been following it. XD I just went and read the updates I missed. <3 Thank you, though. I was just thinking about how long it's been since I started reading it, I think it was the first web comic I started reading, and then stumbled upon others by adds. x3 Like Artifice.<3<3 I went back and looked at one of the first few pages of that comic and realized that it has been two years since I had started following and reading that comic when it updated every weekend and Wednesdays. @A@ Time's just flying away.

          • Ah! I see. Yeah, Teahouse was my first webcomic. I met this guy at my first Yaoi-con and he insisted that I check them out. E and CC had just finished Chapter 1. After that, Starfighter, this one (Alex had already completed Artifice when I found him), and TJ and Amal.

          • HarmHarm210

            Cool! x3 Somewhere along the way I began reading Teahouse, I think it’s when my friends started talking about it and I Googled it, maybe..or maybe it was an add. xP I also read TJ and Amal. Also a few others, Devoto- which I found the add on one of these pages, I believe, and Boned, which I haven’t seen if either one has updated yet. Some of them I don’t check and then go and find quite a few updates. x3 This comic is the only one I really camp for pages every Saturday and Wednesday.

    • Missy_Z

      I love you. I just checked an hour ago and it hadn’t. I would have missed it!

    • i love this Trinity that we seem to have going of Young Protectors-Starfighter-Teahouse…they’re all so different…like I just realized…everyone is all up in arms here about Duncan sort of sexually exploiting Kyle…from like arousing him or whatever…like seriously Duncan really to me didn’t do much sexually but whatever-

      point being in Starfighter we’ve got Cain forcing himself on Able but over there its like an entirely different dynamic going on…

      …and then with Teahouse it’s like…it’s like Fraggle Rock but with people…like seriously i feel like a visit to Teahouse in person would be an interesting visual carousel of people running here and there and up and down stairs and in and out of doors but kind of like the classic Scooby Doo chases…except everyone would be in various states of undress and shouting and laughing…

      • I think I like this trinity, as you so wonderfully put it, because they are so different…

        though I don’t see it as Cain forcing himself on Abel, more like going too fast for his comfort level. Of course, now, he’s like let’s go. NOW!

        LOL! Your description of Teahouse is so perfect. “Visual carousel!” This makes me think that’s the reason why Mercutio seems to hide behind plants when he’s eating his sandwich between client breaks. So he can watching the Scooby Doo chases go by.

        • totally- i love the pretty jocular/lighthearted jostling between the characters of Teahouse…it would be so awesome to see it fully animated with Scooby Doo chase-like footage 🙂 i think everything is better with some funny music and running in and out of rooms ala Scooby Doo 🙂

  • Holly
    • vessto

      Thank you!!

  • Demie Duken

    I must admit, even for a superhero comic, I WAS DEFINITELY not expecting any of this to occur. Okay, MAYBE a TINY bit of extreme plot, but not this extreme!