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The Young Protectors: Engaging The Enemy Chapter 5—Page 68

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I know you have every reason to be angry, Kyle, but… look at those tears!

In other news, if you haven’t checked out The Young Protectors TV Tropes page, you should. The Characters section gets updated continually, and exploring all those tropes is a fun way to spend an afternoon. (Or an afternoon, evening, and into wee hours of the morning until your eyes are blurry, if you’re me…)

So! If Kyle was hoping to scare The Annihilator into telling the truth, it looks like he’s gotten at least halfway there! The question is, are those the tears of an newly minted, amnesiac boy or that of a crocodile? And how far is Kyle willing to push this? Could we be witnessing the birth of a new supervillain?

Tune in this Saturday to find out! Hope to see you there! 😀

  • Flame on!

    • *get out the fire extinguisher* Noooo! Flame off!
      I don’t want our hero to cook a tiny Duncan!

      • timemonkey

        He won’t. Kyle has way too many hang ups about burning people to go that far and Amanda is standing right there to stop him if he starts going too far.

      • Chris Dangerfield

        Awww no… I’ve had the crispy fried duck at the restaurant on the corner and it was okay, but I absolutely drawn the line at sautéed baby-duncan… or Sushi baby-Duncan… AND VEAL… just say no I say! 🙂

        • Adam Black

          Los Angeles gets more deboucherous with every passing year. I remember when Cannibalism​ was limited to High Holidays and Post Oscar parties

  • D: Noooo, Kyle!!!!

  • Sapfo

    Flame down Kyle!

  • Alex’ page comment. He knows juuust how to use every speculation/theory given on the last page against us. Typical tricksy Alex xD

    • Ugh… Alex! My emotions can’t handle it. This… like… entire chapter has had me strapped on an emotional roller coaster that I can’t get off of!

    • Pietro7

      Yup. LOL. It’s part and parcel of that talent of his that produces such excellent webcomics.

  • Michael

    crocodile tears! We all know how good Ani is at false sincerity.

  • davefragments

    Our very own Alex Woolfson was interviewed at ANIME NORTH by Two Geeks Talking. It’s an interesting interview from the middle of the conference floor.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5odPlP4xlco

  • Saxon_Brenton

    Art observation: Annihilator is not longer standing with his arms wrapped around his torso in order to keep warm by holding those rags of his uniform about him, exposing lots of vulnerable, easy to burn flesh. A well thought through detail to include over the last few pages.

    Hmm? What’s this? TV Tropes? No! It’s a trap. tV trOpes wiKi *HUnGeRS* and wAnts to EaT all yoUr frEe time.

  • Bei Dawei

    Hey, that’s not where the tear ducts are located…

    • NoiseShaper

      No, but the overflow doesn’t always happen just there, depending on the shape of the eyes and face.

      • Bei Dawei

        More likely to happen this way when the weeper is lying on his / her back.

        • Auntie Mumpsimus

          Or there is significant wind from the direction the face is pointed, or a hard blink right beforehand.

          • Bei Dawei

            If wind, then his tears wouldn’t flow straight down. If hard blinking, then we should expect to see tears coming from both sides of each eye. But perhaps the heat from Kyle’s fire has caused some evaporation.

          • Auntie Mumpsimus

            And I’m not ruling out, as you may be implying, plot-related illusion/ glycerin fuckery. But yeah, could be artistic mistake, could be eye shape (when I myself emotion-cry, for some reason, the tear tracks start about 4 cm from the bottom of my eye at the apple of my cheek, under the iris, but if my eyes are just watering, they just _smear_ instead of rolling or dripping like an earth-human’s would), but interesting point worth exploring.

    • Jet Allen

      He’s rich as fuck, maybe he got his tear ducts moved. For… uhh… tax reasons…

  • Zephyr10101

    Yesssss feed your inner demon kyle

    • With cookies! And chocolate covered strawberries! … Not tiny, flammable Duncans! 😛

      • Chris Dangerfield

        Just think how much easier and quicker a good smore will be with Kyle’s newly found powers. Exxxxxcellent!

  • Saxon_Brenton

    | Beware of the ravenous beast!
    And yet I weakened anyway… 😛

  • timemonkey

    Now, tell the boy what he did!

    • Bei Dawei

      “You villain! I can’t believe we touched wieners!”

      • Chris Dangerfield

        IKR?
        (I can’t believe how many times I’ve said those very words.)

  • More than one of them needs some therapy after this. Traumas all around.

    • Chris Dangerfield

      I believe a good loud Paddy is occasionally the best cure! [chris stomps his feetsies and writes cranky stuff in ALL CAPS!]

  • Bei Dawei

    So, if Kyle hurts an under-18-year-old, does that mean all the other villains are going to hunt him down?

    Now watch his mother turn out to be Sircea.

    • Cman65

      Villains lie all the time even about not hunting kids

  • Jeldenil

    Just say sorry, Duncan. It works for my kids.

    • Keneu

      He’s already tried.

  • davefragments

    I wonder if Spooky has the equivalent of a truth serum in his magic spells?

  • Klaus

    How about a crocodile with amnesia? (Re: Alex’ comment)

    • Kate G

      Hm, someone needs to find the alarm clock. Maybe he’ll suddenly remember then, eh?

  • Ouch. If Duncan really can’t remember, this is looking unpleasantly like the bullying by bigger children he talked about. Kyle’s got very good reason to be angry, but this is coming over as refusing to accept even the possibility Duncan’s telling the truth because he needs to shout a lot at the Annihilator.

    • ComicBookGoddess

      Yeah. If Kyle isn’t shamming to scare him, that might be what gets through to him.

      On the other hand, nice move, having Spooky, who paradoxically represents Kyle’s maturity, too far away to intervene. Kyle will have to make this step forward himself, I think.

  • Also – Amanda already knows in detail about Spooky’s demon-related amnesia. She may be more open-minded than Kyle about the possibility Duncan’s telling the truth.

  • Adam Black

    Wow, YP is starting to tolerate a lot of bullying.

    • Klaus

      It hos only gone on for a moment. Amanda has not had time to step in. And Gordon is otherwise occupied.

      • Adam Black

        Do you think Amanda and Gordon will set Alex straight ? Or maybe Spooky and Paul will give this kid some wedgies next.

        • Klaus

          It is not Alex who needs to be set straight. That one of Alex’ characters, even the hero, does something does not mean that Alex approves.

          • Adam Black

            I will leave that for Amanda to decide.
            I have a really good source that it was secretly Alex’s idea all along. Don’t be surprised when Alex shows as a Cosmic Mastermind type character.

        • HermeticallySealed

          This is a huge jump in logic.

          • Adam Black

            Why Thank-You. My Logic does carry far.

            But if you think that’s A Big Leap, you ought to be *really impressed* with me jumping in time ahead 3 years and predicting Youngkan would be memory wiped back to innocence.

        • Jet Allen

          Why does Alex need setting straight? Is he pulling some shady shit or something? He seems pretty benign to me, unless you think his twice-a-week updates are a front for something sinister…

          • Adam Black

            Hey may look Innocent, but he’s really quite the Plotter. Alex planned and instigated the entire scenario ( didn’t he ? ) Just to get Kyle to Bully poor Youngkan into crying.

            On this very page Alex even admits this might create a new Supervillain. It’s basically a confession.

    • timemonkey

      It’s not bullying, it’s a fully justified calling him out. Kyle’s just letting out the anger that he’s been holding back since Duncan screwed him. Duncan may not remember but Kyle still needs to get it out.

      • Adam Black

        It’s not bullying until there is third degree burns, or swirlies

  • As soon as Kyle and Amanda turn their backs to him, he gives a smug grin before once again putting on his mask of innocence.

    • Adam Black

      If he was really innocent, he’d be yelling “Stop, drop and roll”

    • timemonkey

      Honestly that seems out of character. He’s really got nothing to be smug about.

    • Jet Allen

      I like to think he just blankly flips them off. Like Craig from South Park.

  • Adam Black

    Someone really needs to step in —
    Before poor Young-can * gets fried into AnnihiTaterTots. Hellboy looks pissed.
    Won’t someone think of the children ?

    * That’s his name now. Also know as Annihi-NotLater

    • Kate G

      No no, I think the new name is AnnihiTots. I like that (let’s take out the tater. It doesn’t flow.) That makes me giggle with glee.

      • Adam Black

        But what will we serve with the KyleFried Chicken?
        Now in Red-hot ™ flavoring

        • Kate G

          And a serving of Annihitots on the side. Crispy or extra crispy.

      • Adam Black

        That sounds like major surgery.

  • Will Parkinson

    Kyle, stop being a dick.

  • Klaus

    A chance for Kyle to understand how Duncan became what he became.

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Such a true and good observation. Learning how the cycle of abuse works and what it engenders is one of the most important things in life when it come to any of us growing our empathy bones.

      Love it.

    • Adam Black

      A chance for Kyle to be responsible

  • bronakopdin

    O______O

    Ok, Kyle… Try to calm down for now… I guess some lingering “anger/hate” he received from his father is still present, even though he fought it back in the fight, it might start to feed again on the exisiting hate/disappointment he has on Duncan… I mean I am sure Amanda and the others would stop him from really hurting Duncan there but still… I’d prefer is no stopping was needed even x’D

    • timemonkey

      Forget his father, Duncan earned this on his own with his lies and manipulation and betrayal. It’s been less than a day since all that went down and Kyle hasn’t dealt with his feelings from that at all.

      • NoiseShaper

        Sure, but that Duncan may be well and truly dead, so why harassing that boy?

        • timemonkey

          Because Kyle’s been seriously wronged, manipulated, betrayed, used and discarded and that’s going to leave him with a great deal of rage and resentment that will only grow if left bottled up. Letting him vent at the target of his anger, whether he remembers or not, is the healthiest thing he can do. Yes, it will be unpleasant for teen-Duncan but it’s much better than the alternatives could be, better a harsh telling off now than have Kyle literally explode at him later.

          • NoiseShaper

            Kyle will feel even more horrible if he later comes to the conclusion that Duncan-Rewound is in fact innocent of all of this.

            Venting against someone who isn’t really at fault makes things worse, not better.

          • timemonkey

            He’s still Duncan. Would we be so forgiving of him if it had only been his memory wiped and not his appearance changed? No, no we wouldn’t.

          • NoiseShaper

            His outward change makes the assumption easier to swallow, but the actual meaning would be the same – no memories, no responsibility.

            But of course it all depends on how sure we could be that he was in fact “reset” with no chance of memory recovery, and our heroes (and the rest of this world) will probably have to wrestle with that determination for some time if there’s no magical or superpower-based certainty to be had…

          • Jet Allen

            Some people would because, you know, he was hot and buff and silver fox and daddy and yada yada yada. (And why they want him back together with Kyle.)

            If he’d looked like Donald Trump or Kim Jong-un or something, but everything else was the same (personality, actions, dialogue, everything else but the appearance), well… the overall reaction to him would be wayyyyyy different.

      • bronakopdin

        that was not in question and I just said so myself in a way, but Kyle is actually not the type to flip out like this, so I stay with my assumption that the rage infused into him by Laampros still has to do with this outburst at least in some way
        Maybe it is also just as it is in a lot of cases: everything comes together in the most unfortunate way
        but I certainly think it plays a role in it, how big or small doesn’t even really matter

        • timemonkey

          You don’t need to be the ‘type to flip out’ to be upset after what Kyle has been through. He was violated, physically, mentally and sexually, used for purposes that would have killed and tortured billions. Honestly it’s miraculous that he kept it together this long.

          • bronakopdin

            again: noone says it is not part of the poblem, yet I still think the parts all come together, and the hate infusing was a thing…
            you can think what you want but no need to try and “correct” me bc in fact only Alex knows, you have your theories, I have mine and none is right or wrong ^^

          • timemonkey

            Not gonna fight about it.

          • bronakopdin

            it’s called discussing, not fighting, and agreeing to disagree is also an agreement but I don’t see why you’d just assume it’s a fight?
            At least I was just discussing ^^

    • ComicBookGoddess

      I don’t know that this required any more than the regular anger caused by such a betrayal, actually. Kyle needs to learn to control himself. He’s already got a better handle on his powers, now time for his emotions.

      • bronakopdin

        as I already discussed with so. else: I really think it is a big mixture of everything and ofc the original anger is a big part of it but I seriously doubt this infused rage from only a few minutes ago is completely out of his system, in a way it is way closer in timeline even, so yeah as with lots of things in life: the worst things coming together at the worst time.
        Ofc he has to learn to deal with his feelings, he is barely 18, but that is not the problem right at this moment imo
        right at this moment they just barely faught back a demon lord who happens to be his father that infused whatever rage power into him to make him more angry and lose his mind and all this when he already had enough anger in him bc of what just happened short before
        hence why I think it is a situation thing at least rn
        and well all things coming together, this not remembering (or pretending) of Duncan of all people now being the last straw or sth.
        I don’t know how the infused anger will affect Kyle permanantly but if it does he’ll ofc also have to lear deal with that, too, but as it is right now at this moment and situation I still think it is everything coming together

        • ComicBookGoddess

          I actually thought that it as pretty clear that the horns subsided with his father’s influence. Also, the shock of what just happened with Spooky should have flushed it out of his system. We know he is angry about his betrayal… and it should be much more difficult to deal with your real feelings than magically imparted ones. 🙂

          • bronakopdin

            just because he calmed down a little doesn’t mean the whole anger miraculously vanished, I mean seriously how likely is that? He was was infused with anger and then managed to control it but it doesn’t mean there are no remnants left lingering inside of him
            and tbh I think it is the opposite: you can deal with your own feelings better bc you know where they originate from, but how to deal with infused anger where you cannot even really think about their origin or why you’re angry?

          • ComicBookGoddess

            Actually, it should be easier to deal with infused anger. You have the chance to logic away from it a little.

          • bronakopdin

            well no exactly the opposite!
            Because there is nothing that you could go on about logically, you cannot explain it to yourself but you are made angry in an unnatural infused way.
            If you actually had the reason for being angry you can debate about it inside and try to calm down bc you have sth substantial to even relate to the anger.
            Normally if so. is angry, they’re just angry for a while, they don’t really want to think about it and stay angry, only once they start to question themselves and analyze the situation and casues and reasons they are able to really calm down.
            But if there is nothing to analyze, how even calm down? It’ll be endless anger without ever finding a reason. Emotion always goes before logic, that is just human, so as long as there is not even a base for logic to jump in then how could the emotion ever be overcome?

          • ComicBookGoddess

            I totally disagree. One is always most dangerous to onself. Spooky understands this – it’s why he hung back to try and get through to Kyle before his self-recriminations could really take hold and ruin his life.

  • Nate

    Kyle, dude… breathe.

    Even if Annihi-later is lying, there’s no need to be a dick about it. 🙁

  • Szymon Brycki

    Baby don’t hurt me
    Don’t hurt me
    No more…

  • Pikinanou

    Commander’s face in 2nd panel sums up what I’m feeling right now 🙂

  • Klaus

    I miss that “little hero”. If he ends up in the YP, maybe Kyle can call him that.

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Oh that is good… I think Alex just added it to his story notebook. LOL.

  • Chris Dangerfield

    Exactly what I thought. Kyle has been VERY repressed since his trip to hell and he kept it in. Look at the guilt with Spooky after the warehouse, look at his non-reaction to Tsunami in the jet. He’s was what Duncan appears to be now (a victim), but we know what he was living with, in a PTSD context.

    Now, all of that 24 hours of extreme trauma is coming out and it’s (right or wrong) focusing on what seems to be a vulnerable amnesiatic Duncan.

    That said, I think Amanda trust Kyle to do the right thing. He’s consistently proved to have a big heart and is a kind person, but just know all that anger (24 hrs) has to come out. I agree with NoiseShaper, most off us have the instinct to shut down all signs of agression and anger in others (right or wrong). I understand that instinct.

    But I agree that no one knows Kyle better than Amanda and she is watching this like a hawk. I don’t think for a minute she would let Kyle hurt Tiny-Duncan. Not just for who Duncan may now really be, but also for Kyle. He could never live with THAT guilt. However, I think she is so wise that she knows that this newly highly powered up (full of cortisol and adrenaline) Kyle needs to get this betrayal hurt OUT.

    I think this is harsh talk, but Kyle will get a lot out of learning he can be justifiably angry now (and has the power to back it up), but also that it’s not who he is (simply based on how I’ve seen him behave to date) and yet he’ll stop (or she’ll stop him) and he’ll understand that he doesn’t want to become another Duncan

    • I trust both of them to make the right decision… But I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a nervous wreck right now!!

      It’s why I love this webcomic so much! Alex has gotten me emotionally invested in each and every one of these characters!

      • Pietro7

        And it’s a powerful emotional investment too. That is the sign of great art in the hands of a great artist. Bravo Alex! We’re all shuddering between trepidation and hope to see what the next page brings.

    • Saxon_Brenton

      While I agree with all that, I will throw in that I also think Commander and Red Hot planned this good cop/bad cop psychodrama via telepathic communication.

      In that regard I interpret Commander’s expression as her watching Annihilator’s reaction carefully, while a number of other readers have been interpreting it as her preparing to step in and intervene on Red’s angry outburst. It will be interesting to see which version is correct.

      • NoiseShaper

        Yours would certainly make a lot of sense, too!

      • Klaus

        Possible, but unlikely, I think.

        • ComicBookGoddess

          Yeah, I think maybe Commander is letting him go to observe, but Kyle has to have been feeling this way.

      • Curt Clark

        I am unsure. Kyle is eighteen, but he’s still getting used to this “adulting” thing, and he’s frankly not as smart as Amanda or Spooky. He took some levels in heroism after the fight with Laampros, but dealing with teeny Duncan is something altogether different, requiring a skillset we have yet to see him display.

    • Pietro7

      Chris – I’m selfishly glad to have your incisive analyses back again. Yay! Please keep on commenting.

    • Jet Allen

      I think that’s the point a lot of people are missing. People seem to want Kyle to keep repressing himself, to not react like the teenage human being that he is. I saw it with Gordon, too. And I think at one point with Paul, when he apparently didn’t have the most perfect, sensitive response to a situation (I wanna think it was after the whole summoning deal), and people griped.

      I mean – that shit would be BORING, if all they ever did was the right thing. Reacted the “right” and “acceptable” way. Didn’t succumb to emotion periodically, like people tend to do. Especially young people (I mean, hello, the title of the series…?) There’d be no sense of tension. Hell, the story probably just wouldn’t happen to begin with.

      I like that these people are layered and flawed, and their reactions are perfectly understandable for what they’ve been through and who they are. Kyle’s overall a good person, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a temper, and considering everything he’s been through… I guess people forget the man who basically raped him is right in front of him, possibly having forgotten all about it or possibly PRETENDING to have forgotten all about it, and there’s no real way to confirm that since the perpetrator is completely unreadable to the only person who could check.

      Either scenario – the crime being wiped away by the criminal but still fresh and real to the victim, or the criminal pretending the crime never happened – would be more than enough to piss off the victim. And people seem to ALSO be forgetting that Kyle has experience with being lied to and emotionally manipulated by Duncan before and suffering terribly for it, so OF COURSE he’d be angry and suspicious. Why the hell shouldn’t he be allowed to?

      I LIKE that the heroes can be assholes sometimes, or idiots, or even just the less-severe qualities of a little insensitive and foolish, and so on. It doesn’t mean their good qualities automatically stop existing. Or that they have an absence of them to begin with. (I feel like the only person who didn’t see Gordon as Samoan Satan just for having prejudices before the whole “Awww, he really does care about Kyle” reveal. Since, y’know, all humans have them, it’s just WHAT they are that differs.)

      Frankly, I find the writing much better for it.

      • NoiseShaper

        The point is that there is a difference between what Kyle needs and what damage to others would be acceptable for that. That’s pretty much at the core of what any hero or just decent human being can and can’t do.

        One’s own pain and anger has it’s limitations where others get hurt, especially others who don’t know any responsibility of their own for said pain and anger.

        But I have some confidence that those aspects will be considered in the story. The writing is quite good, all in all.

      • Klaus

        A very good point.

      • Curt Clark

        My only concern at this point is Kyle being able to keep his flame under control.

        Ranting and screaming at a kid isn’t GREAT, but it beats the alternative of par-broiling him.

    • bandanajack

      i like your thoughtful analysis, albeit for fictional characters. you would make a great family therapist.

    • ComicBookGoddess

      Even if he is setting a scene with the Commander… Kyle is still working on those emotions. We’ll see.

      Oh, and I’m sure it was in the comments on the Truth of Dare comment, but Amanda HAD to know Kyle was gay already, right?

      • Klaus

        As far as I remember, we have no reason to think she had. And he did not reveal it during Truth or Dare either.

        • ComicBookGoddess

          Sure, he didn’t. But she was especially specific about ruling out sex as a topic, and she caved pretty quickly when it was about her sex life. Not only that, she doubled down when it got too close to Kyle’s sexuality.

          That kind of thing has to have leaked mentally from time to time. And if she knows about it and they’re not out, it is totally in character for her to keep them from getting more uncomfortable about it.

    • Adam Black

      Or…..
      Maybe she wants to see how fast Duncan heals with his new power ( or if he’s still Fireproof ) .

      That’s useful one of a kind knowledge, for Commander to know.
      ( Esp with a Tween Sircea kicking around ).

      And Spooky can heal him if Kyle loses it.

  • bronakopdin

    never really watched any star wars… I mean I once watched 1 (as in episode 1, the 4th movie) bc I was kinda forced to but I didn’t really get into it much x’D Yoda is the only chara I really came to like!

    • timemonkey

      So, you watched the one movie Yoda doesn’t appear in? XD

      • bronakopdin

        I don’t even remember if he apeared in it? I think he did, if even jut short maybe? I mean everyone knows yoda from adds or wherever and I liked his funny way of talking lol

        • timemonkey

          Ah, I thought you meant episode 4, since that was the first that came out and some people insist on calling it 1.

          Yeah, Yoda’s in every movie but 4, the original movie, since he was created to replace Obi-Wan Kenobi as Luke’s Jedi mentor. And you had the unfortunate luck to watch the absolute worst movie in the series.

          • bronakopdin

            I did especially mention it in my original post though…
            and as I also said I was forced to watch it so… I really couldn’t care less whether it was the best or worst tbh x’D

    • NoiseShaper

      Episode 1 is by far the worst one to dip your toe into. Best start in the release order: 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, 3, 7…

      • davefragments

        I’ll never forgive Jar Jar Binks

        • timemonkey

          I like Jar Jar, he was just overused.

          • davefragments

            I sat in the theater in horror, embarrassed and shamed at the Jar Jar “minstrel show” that I thought died in the Civil Rights legislation. That’s my view and it might be my view alone but I hate that character.

          • timemonkey

            Which is fine, never said you couldn’t hate him.

          • NoiseShaper

            My stomach had already begun to turn with the pseudo-french accent of the slimy trade federation guys being used as an obvious signal (“hey, don’t we all know that the french are disgusting, cowardly and untrustworthy anyway?”), so when Jar Jar eventually turned up on a similar level, too many buttons had already been pushed for me to recover.

          • ComicBookGoddess

            I thought that they were obviously coded Japanese, actually…

          • I read somewhere that Jar Jar was supposed to be the surprise Sith Villain, but the reaction to him was so negative that Lucas changed his story.

          • NoiseShaper

            As far as I’m aware that was basically a fandom joke based on the massively negative response to that character.

          • Eh. What I remember reading made a lot of sense. True or not. ….Now I kind of want to read Sith Lord Jar Jar fanfiction…

          • ComicBookGoddess

            It is certainly not your view alone. Lots of support for it.

      • timemonkey

        If you start with episode 1 then they improve in quality with each one for most of the series.

      • bronakopdin

        well I do know the order but I simply have no interest or intention x’D
        but thanks anyway, I know you mean good ^^

  • fujoshifanatic

    Dude, Kyle, breathe and take a moment to assess the situation…is that the posture and countenance of someone who has any idea of what’s happening around him? Just chill out; if you look at Commander, you’ll see her maternal “gotta help this kid” face setting in, so this kid seems legit.

    On a tangent though, it will be interesting to see the look on his face when he realizes this is who he slept with, what, yesterday? Talk about jarring feelings of squickiness!

    • timemonkey

      The age gap is smaller now than it was before. It’s kinda less squiky now.

      • Chris Dangerfield

        Boy, how real life. It’s so complicated and fascinating. Bravo.

      • fujoshifanatic

        Yes, it is smaller, but it messes with that “jailbait” line a little too closely for comfort, especially if mini-Anni is closer to 15 than 16-17, which is what appears to be the case. Especially now that confident Kyle is looking closer to 20, especially compared to that little boy. I think Flyboy looks older now than him.

        • timemonkey

          Duncan looks younger than he is because he’s wearing clothing that’s much too big for him. There’s only a 2-3 year difference now, it wouldn’t matter.

          • Jet Allen

            Still technically a minor. So… a child.

          • timemonkey

            A teen,and Kyle’s only 18, it wouldn’t matter. You know, if anything were to actually happen which it almost certainly won’t.

          • Ant-Man

            an 18 year old with a 15 year old may b statutory rape

            STATUTORY RAPE LAWS BY STATE
            https://www.cga.ct.gov/2003/olrdata/jud/rpt/2003-R-0376.htm

          • timemonkey

            He’s not actually 15 though.

          • NoiseShaper

            If that is the state of his mind and even of his body, there is no useful distinction to be made and he’s as actually 15 as it gets in pretty much every respect but the memories of other people.

          • ComicBookGoddess

            Yeah. 18 is too old.

          • timemonkey

            America is weird.,

  • «You make flames with your eyes? So what, you think you’re special? I can make water with mine! Take this‼»

    • Chris Dangerfield

      Ha!

      • Bei Dawei

        Buddha could shoot fire from his shoulders, and water from his ankles, or vice versa. What made him special was that he could do both at once (fire and water being opposites). Really.

    • Jet Allen

      Off-panel, Tsunami’s all “Pff, whatever, kid” and makes a giant water-hand with HIS eyes to bitchslap Duncan.

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    • Ant-Man

      : – )

  • Juliette Leroux

    I… don’t like that.
    Kyle, darling you need to do some anger management if you want to be a hero.

    • Jet Allen

      God forbid heroes have flaws that make them interesting.

      • It’s not interesting to threaten a crying child.

        • Klaus

          It is not good, but it is interesting. It tells us something about Kyle, and hopefully it tells Kyle something about himself.

          • Nope, it tells us nothing because everyone already knows where it comes from. His father is a demon. The only thing he has to learn about it, now after his full powers are released – he has to control himself more carfully.
            But that’s not really interesting.

          • Klaus

            Does it come from his father being a demon? Isn’t it a very natural reaction to such betreyal? Must Duncan necessarily be a demon spawn because he took revenge on the kids that bullied him? There are plenty of case in the real world where people have taken revenge on parties that could not reasonably be blamed. Are these people all demons?

            If ever it is established that he has a demonic side, that will in itself be interesting, and it will be interesting to see how he handles it.

          • Naaahh, this inversion of an argument does’t work here. xD
            Mankind isn’t perfect and everyone has a dark side, but Kyle always has been a too-good-to-be-true character. Scroll back to chapter 4 page 56-63. No signs of a revenge wish.
            But now he freaks out in front of a crying child?
            I think Kyle could have been a much more interesting character if he had shown that side from the beginning because perfect heroes are always a little boring.
            (I wish I could convey that more detailed but english is not my native language)

          • Klaus

            And now Kyle has been shown to be fallible too. He is hero through and through, but nobody is perfect.

      • ComicBookGoddess

        Whoa, Nelly.

        I’m sure the story beat is about him learning. But we are not supposed to like .Kyle beating on a defenseless kid. (Yes, he is a kid, no, he doesn’t have his powers.)

      • Juliette Leroux

        Hu, wait, I never said I didn’t like the story (yay Alex, great work!), just that I was not approving Kyle’s actions. The same way we’ve all been commenting all the other character’s actions, sometimes quite harshly. That NEVER meant that we were criticizing the story.
        Should Kyle be immune to these same kind of comments when he acts bad? Why? Because he’s the hero?

  • Minyassa

    Still think he’s playing bad cop. I do not believe the Commander would be silent and allowing him to do this if it wasn’t a test. She’s watching for the reaction and not trying to shut Kyle up, this is calculated.

    • timemonkey

      I think she realises a chance for Kyle to vent is a good thing but is staying close in case it goes too far. That is also a convenient Bad Cop is a bonus.

  • Scotti Jemison

    I’m hoping that it’s all true; that young Anni has his powers but not his memories. Commander should add him to YP in order to give him a fresh start. Would Kyle still be “hot” for him if he wasn’t a sexy Daddy?

    • timemonkey

      Any ‘hot’ness Kyle might have had died when Duncan betrayed him. Getting de-aged won’t fix that.

  • Jet Allen

    I think Duncan deserves at least a good bitchslap. Backhand him, Kyle! With your burning pimp hand of rage!

    • NoiseShaper

      The problem is that that Duncan doesn’t seem to exist any more, and I don’t mean physically.

  • Man!!
    These past few pages have been so intense.
    I’ve am loving the comment section right now. There is a lot of passion from everyone involved… Which shows how great Alex is at story telling!
    Like… I want Kyle to not lose his temper because I am very much on the side of Baby Duncan telling the truth.
    But Alex is a fantastic writer. His characters are very three dimensional. There wouldn’t be so much tension in the story right now if each and every character was flat and boring.

    It makes sense that Kyle is angry and all on fire…
    But I am still want him to calm down and be a hero!
    I trust Amanda and Kyle to make the right decision… But hot damn my emotions are all over the place right now!

  • Amy Tombleson

    This is terrific, such lovely, lovely art

  • bandanajack

    ps: i am fascinated by the notion that laampros delivered and duncan is now eternally young (see interview with a vampire for how THAT turned out).

    • KatKaleen

      I’m thinking more of “The Vampire Armand”… Turns out Claudia and the dollmaker-lady weren’t just left in the well to burn in the sunlight, Armand tried to fix Claudia’s head onto the body of the dollmaker… didn’t go well. He had to get rid of the evidence. That would’ve gotten the movie to a whole new level of horridness.

      • bandanajack

        i was thinking more of the being an eternal child man, never maturing to full adulthood no matter how long you live. squeaky voice and acne for ever and ever.

  • Wayne Lunkwitz

    It might be my current frame of mind……but I think Kyle needs to step bad chill out and let Amanda handle this.

  • Cman65

    Is PP now a little girl??????????

    • Sapfo

      Good question. But since she was way older, maybe not a little girl.

      • ComicBookGoddess

        Depends on those intermediaries, I think. But it would play into Laampros’ hands if she were.

      • Jac

        40 years off her thousands, and she just feels well-rested all of a sudden.

    • I was theorizing with my boyfriend about what happened to PP.
      I wonder if she is like 12 again…
      Or did Laampros only rewind her like 40 years like he did with Duncan so she is still old as balls. (Which would be funny, but unlikely since that would be against the terms of the agreement.)
      But I do wonder about her since she was so old to begin with!

      • Klaus

        She is 6000 years old, but she looks half her age.

  • The comment section never surprises me how off topic it is from the comic sometimes

    • The comments here is as much a friendly community forum as it is about the comic. It happens when a lot of the same people have been around for years, and we also camp before a page is up (which is when most of the off-topic happens). Oldest comments on a page is mostly about the page, talking it though, and the newest/last are camping comments.

      We share/debate thoughts and theories about the comic, and we talk some daily life other times 🙂

      • KatKaleen

        And that is why I love this comment section.

      • Yeah!! I adore the comment section!
        I love this community. Everyone is so respectful and I enjoy talking to everyone!
        I always look forward to camping not just for a new page, but also because I like chatting with the other campers!

    • ComicBookGoddess

      I don’t know. This is my very first time hitting it (saw just the right ad for the story last week sometime, read the story through a few times already) and it seems remarkably relevant to the story for such a freeform section.

      • Klaus

        Welcome. And I agree with you. The comments for this page has been almost exclusively on topic so far.

      • Welcome to the community 🙂

        It will be like this up until the last hours before a new page, almost only comic related comments. In the last hours it becomes camping comments where we talk about mostly daily life things, up until the new page is up.
        If you feel like it, the new pages are uploaded tuesday and friday evenings in PST, Alex’ timezone. There’s always people camping here, and chatting before the new page.

  • Sascha

    RIP The Silver Fox

  • Foye

    Whoa… Calm down you fire bender, what if he’s being honest? That would make him innocent, wouldn’t it?

    • Klaus

      Would it? Does amnesia excuse everything?

      • ComicBookGoddess

        If he never becomes the kind of person who would do this horrible thing? Yeah, I’d say he was innocent.

      • NoiseShaper

        I wouldn’t call it an “excuse” per se; It’s rather that he isn’t the person who did all those things if his memories are in fact deleted irrevocably, so the boy without his adult memories doesn’t even need an excuse .

        • ComicBookGoddess

          It’s a bit like the point of Marjorie Morningstar, though, isn’t it? By the time the young man was ready to impress his vibrant young crush, she no longer really existed.

      • Saxon_Brenton

        I’m not sure about ‘innocent’. For immediate practical purposes having amnesia would make him ‘ignorant’ in the sense that he couldn’t be properly interrogated.
        I don’t know enough about law to make a definitive comment about the longer term implications of determining culpability by the courts, but it might be a mitigating factor in assigning punishment.

  • Jac

    Crying! Hah! My prediction was correct!

  • Saxon_Brenton

    For your camping entertainment: hellsnake fanfic

    Shane And The Hellsnakes – 29th Bite
    (A Young Protectors occult sitcom fanfic. Inspired by the stories of AMW comics.)

    Final story arc: (rest of urls at end)
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    PAGE 1 – Meanwhile… Matt
    (1.1) Establishing panorama shot of a city street, showing the command point set up for the police cordon. It’s the location that Louie mentioned in episode 27: on the other side of the building to where the St Erewhon medics have set up their triage centre. Various police in flak jackets, with some police vehicles in the background. Several of them are looking at a map, and discussing tactics. Matt is one of several police standing in the background, on guard.
    Commanding officer Smith (pointing to map): “…and the anti-mind control formula that the Silver Gnu was able to get ahold of is working on the shamblers that had been moving southwards in direction of the suburbs.”
    Sgt Yehm: “So that takes care of at least some of the infected people moving outwards with the advance front. Can the Gnu get more of that stuff?”
    Ms. Business (off-panel): “I hope so. It would certainly make re-capturing the buildings a lot easier.”
    (1.2) Wide shot. The police look towards Ms. Business, Sakura Blossom Bloke and Dewey, who are walking towards the police command.
    Commander Smith (nodding greeting): “It certainly would, Ms. Business.”
    Commander Smith: “Sakura Blossom Bloke. And, uh…”
    Ms. Business (smiling): “A new associate. We haven’t even had time swap codenames, let alone do the traditional swapping of secret origins over coffee.”
    (1.3) Medium shot focusing on Matt and Dewey, with others in background or at the sides. Dewey nods at Matt as he walks past.
    Commander Smith: “You know each other?”
    Matt: “Uh, yeah. We’ve met, once or twice. This is…”
    (1.4) Silent panel. Matt and Dewey stare at each other for a second.
    (1.5) Medium shot of group.
    Matt: “This is Thinks-Crossovers-Are-A-Waste-Of-Time Man.”
    Dewey (baffled expression): “Hisss?”
    Matt: “Yes, you are.”

    PAGE 2 – Plans
    (2.1) Wide shot of police cordon command point. Ms. Business points at the building (in the distant background) where most of the shamblers emerged from, and which still has got pseudo zombie guards visible in the foyer. Commander Smith examines the map.
    Ms. Business: “Well, let’s get back on track, gentlemen. There was an expanding wave of shamblers moving through the city while others stayed behind to stand guard, and that has all the hallmarks of a distraction while something else goes on.”
    Commander Smith: “I agree. And out of the four buildings where that happened, this one is the most central and also the one reported to have the most guards. The smart money is that this is the important one.”
    (2.2) Medium shot of group, focusing on Commander Smith, who looks up from the map to look at the others.
    Commander Smith: “Unfortunately, I’m told it will take several more hours to produce more anti-mind control formula. If word gets back of what happened to the shamblers in the advance front, then whatever person or group is behind this might start taking counter-measures against us or simply speeding up their plans.”
    (2.3) Medium shot of group. Ms. Business looks thoughtful as she weighs options. In response to her musings Dewey glances off to one side towards some abandoned cars and motorbikes.
    Ms. Business (hand on chin): “So, you could wait. Or you could send in an assault squad through the front doors and take things by force right now. Hmmm. Blossom Bloke could also fly up and a small group could enter through the roof, but I’d prefer at least two more people for a recon of an eight story building.”
    (2.4) Medium shot of group. Dewey offers a suggestion on getting more people up to the roof.
    Dewey: “Hisss.”
    Ms. Business: “You can? How?”
    (2.5) Wideshot of the recon squad heading for the roof. Helicopter shot/forced perspective looking down the exterior face of the skyscraper, with the street being about five levels below, and the recon squad moving directly towards the reader. Lots of speed lines. Sakura Blossom Bloke is flying up the side of the building, carrying Ms. Business. Dewey is riding a motorbike up the side of the building, with the bike being wreathed in hellfire generated by Dewey (who is doing his best Nick-Cage-as-Ghost-Rider impersonation). Matt is sitting behind Dewey, with an expression halfway between OMFG-this-is-TERRIFYING! and OMFG-this-is-AWESOME!


    The discussion and reasoning behind the forming of the recon squad is a bit rushed and sloppy, but as we’re getting towards a big climax I feel I need to speed up the pacing a bit more. Which means not dwelling too much on the tactical details and just relying of batcrap insane, Rule of Cool imagery. What, you DON’T think a demon snake riding a flaming motorbike up the side of a building with a cop on the back going Holy Crap This Is Awesome! is Rule Of Cool enough? Okay then, I guess I’ll have to go for a bigger ending next episode.

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  • maya chan

    and here I am, so sure duncan was dead, like really dead. dead with no pulse. what a nice surpise XD he turn out to be a kid, with no momery of his past. that so cute! I like that much more then him been dead.
    has a kid, he look so cute too!! awww now the one who need to be his “role model” will be Kyle. now see how the situation turn down on him. Kyle, I think you need to start to learn how to handle kids and especially this kid. since you know, we don’t want him to become an evil villain that try to destroy the world again and stuff XD
    he’s going to be their new baby of the family! yayyy! XDD

  • Pietro7

    Camping! With chocolate chip cookies and Hellsnake fanfic! Add the tense anticipation of Wednesday’s moderate cliffhanger (I mean, there’s No Way Kyle will become an abusive supervillain, right? Right?) and what could be better!
    (Okay, ice cream and a nice apertif would do it, but aside from that!)

  • Pietro7

    BTW, help yourselves to some cookies. I put them on the community table upwind of the campfire.

    • davefragments

      mmmmm cookies…

      • Agreed…. Cookies sound fantastic! *takes some from the community table*

  • Yay!!
    It’s time for camping!
    *sits up next to the campfire*
    How was everyone’s day?

    • davefragments

      Food shopping, a delightfully mundane trek through the supermarket…

      wink, wink

    • Saxon_Brenton

      It’s been quite overcast and wet for the past few days here. Not raining just at the moment, so I’m just about to venture out and do some Saturday shopping.

      • It looked like it was about to rain just a bit before the sunset. I was hoping for rain, because it got awfully hot today and I wouldn’t mind a bit of a cool down. It got pretty hot in my apartment!

  • davefragments

    Hello Campers.
    I’m hoping for a little restraint on the part of our characters tonight.

    • I have a feeling you’ll get your wish.
      I really think Tiny Duncan’s last words “Please don’t hurt me” are what will calm our hero down. The word “hurt” I think is what will help Kyle realize what he’s about to do.
      But if not I feel like Amanda will step-in!
      I am still very nervous though…

      • davefragments

        I quit trying to second guess where the story was headed.

        • I ain’t no quitter! Haha
          I like trying to guess, but I love it when Alex comes out of nowhere with a totally different outcome than what I was expecting!

          • davefragments

            I found ARTIFICE and have read these pages since then. I love the artwork and the story pleases and satisfies me in many ways.

          • I need to reread Artifice!
            Man… that’s been quite a few years ago!
            I found Alex’s work in the middle of Artifice, and have been following him ever since!

          • davefragments

            I had a panic moment about a week ago. All of my books removed from the book shelves and put back when I had the house painted and when I reached for where ARTIFICE was supposed to be, it wasn’t. Took me 15 minutes to find my copy.

          • I would have freaked out too!
            Where did it end up?

          • davefragments

            About 5 foot away from where it should be. The bookcase is eight by ten so that is quite a distance.

          • Ha! Yeah it is!
            Well, I’m glad it’s safe!

          • As someone who *has* lost some comics/books, because they got replaced and accidently thrown out, it is indeed a panic when you realize something is gone. Most of the time it resurfaces, but when it don’t it hurts.

          • davefragments

            There are certain books that I keep in my bedroom just because they mean something to me. The majority are in that bookcase and I have gone across a shelf with a skeptical friend and described the plots. Yay me!

          • Saxon_Brenton

            I’ve got to admit that a lot of my older stuff is grouped together, but as I purchase new stuff of the same type (genre, format, author, or whatever) it tends to accumulate ‘wherever’.
            At some point I’ll need to consider a reshuffle of my shelves just to keep things grouped properly, as well a culling some of the older stuff that I thought I’d want to keep 20 years ago, but which I haven’t had enough emotional investment in to re-read since.

          • davefragments

            They just threw the books on the shelves in any order. I have to spend a day in there sorting authors together and sorting topics together.

    • Saxon_Brenton

      After a bit of thought about what I’d like, it occurs to me that a shorter confrontation might be in order. It’s one thing to have a many pages long confrontation with lots of rallying speeches against a knowing bigbad, not so much against a (possible) amnesiac child who stuffed up badly but isn’t in the position to defend himself and who is currently cowering in fear.

      • davefragments

        sounds ok to me

  • ‘Morning. And yet another camp is on while we wait to see what next page will bring.

    • davefragments

      Hi DanishWolf.

    • Good morning!!
      Did you have a good night?

      • I did. Didn’t sleep that much, because I once again ended up watching a late movie, but will get a nap later. Woke up to a sunrise where the sun is showing, after it was a rainful and windy day yesterday. Birds are singing all around.

        • Sounds like a lovely morning!

        • davefragments

          Today here was warm, sunny and puffy white clouds in the sky. An overall nice day.

  • davefragments

    Patreon rumbles

  • davefragments
  • Adam Black

    Someone’s just bitter that his ‘weiner Touching’ Therapy didn’t take. You just have to stick with it.
    If he’s Straight enough, the Gayness will rub off eventually. It’s basic physics.
    TL; Dr : rub Harder.

  • Adam Black

    Now prepare for my deadly retaliation, guaranteed to leave you paralyzed with Existential Lovecraftian Dread:

    @Ch@chrisdangerfield:disqus , Happy… Birthday. *

    I’m sorry Chris, but you were asking for it.

    * I recommend not driving , using heavy machinery , until you know how the full weight of that effects your motor system. Also, you must cease using any Milton-Bradley products you have aged past.

  • Adam Black

    40 years in, You just got that whole “seduce to Dark Side” subtext ?

    I guess Birthdays do bring Wisdom . 🙂

  • Justin White

    that is either the best acting or true fear

  • HoneyThistle

    ….I think he’s telling the truth, Kyle. Put the fire away for now, he’s fucking crying.